Is Colonizing Mars just dumb? 

15:35 I misspoke here, I meant population increases by 200 000 a day. Pardon

You know colonization of Mars is BS when people fail to talk about how to deal with the toxic perchlorates.

Aside from toxic soil, solar radiation, .36 G, 2.5 years in a tin can, stale food, 120* below zero temps, no hospitals, no fresh water.... it would be great there.

People think going to mars is like going on a vacation or summer camp or just child play but it’s nothing like that

A bigger adventure would be Antarctica, it's just as cold.

What i find absurd about any form of terraforming goal is that no matter what kind of changes you can bring to a planet, you cant change its surface gravity. And if you cant do that, then living there is never going to be a viable plan long term.

There is a RU-vid channel named common sense skeptic which tears down musk's delusions and other space travel fantasies.

The fact that Mars doesnt have a strong magnetic field would have been enough for me to "Nope".

The prospect of successfully sending people to Mars at our current level of technology is akin to the Wright Brothers proposing a nonstop around-the-world flight with their B flyer. We're only at the most basic level of manned spaceflight capability. Sending people to the Moon is a formidable challenge even though it's been done, and it was a formidable challenge then. But we're a long, LONG way before interplanetary flights with humans become feasible. A lot of technological development will have to occur before we reach that point. "And as for the money, Zubrin says the main source of currency will be... ideas." Yeah. Kind of reminds me of a line from the movie Becket (1964) when Henry II is arguing with the clerics over the issue of the church being taxed to fund an upcoming war with France, which the bishops are resisting as a matter of principle: "I've just sent for three thousand Swiss troops. And NOBODY has ever paid the Swiss with principles!"

Here are some simple steps to do in increasing difficulty to achieve before Mars colonisation. Note that Mars is exponentially more difficult. 1. Colonise Central Australia. 2. Colonise Mojave Desert 3. Colonise Gobi Desert 4. Colonise Sahara Desert 5. Colonise Atacama Desert 6 Colonise Antarctica 7. Colonise Moon 8. Colonise Mars (good luck you will need it) .

we cant even colonise the moon and thats next door

"Is Colonizing Mars just dumb?" - Yes

Not only is it a dumb a idea, it's also a scam!

To get anything beyond a temporary research base it is going to require automated methods of building out colony habitats with minimal human presence to oversee it, and the ability to utilize local resources for the build. It is also the key point towards making such endeavors profitable, because monetary costs equates to overall human labor, so if you can outsource that labor to automated systems or robots you can then exploit those systems replace the human labor costs. Note, reaching this technology point means you have likely also reached the point where robots can build and maintain other robots, so do you even need humans at that point.

We will establish a small, semi-permanent scientific outpost on Mars, similar to what we have done in Antarctica. But that s all. There never be anything like a self-sufficient colony on Mars.

Its like when white people in horror movies move into a haunted house for the first time and say " This looks pretty nice!"

you forgot one reason: becoming immortal by connecting your name with the history of mars for thousands of generations. in short: vanity.

one of the few reasonable and realistic videos about Mars colonization. and it definitely would deserve more views. In may opinion there are only 2 was to gain financial profit form a crewed Mars mission 1; send pictures of life on Mars like a reality T-show and for scientific documentaries and get fees broadcasting. I ,lets say 500 millions of people worldwide watch it every day, and each view brings a value of 50 cents , then that would make a revenue of (500.000 x 365 x 0,5) = 91 billions of $ or € per year. 2; the second option would be a fraud: by making people invest in Mars-stocks because they believe in giant future profit, or by selling real estate on Mars

In a way it is easier to find monetary reasons for building on/near Venus or Mercury since you can utilize the additional solar energy for material processing facilities, but by the time you get out to mars you become more reliant upon nuclear energy. You could however utilize the need of constant heating for your mars colony to build huge server farms. So, data processing and storage could be a prime economic option, but admittedly, the restrictions on transmitting that data may be a large hurdle in achieving this.

The problem with difference of weight, design weighted cloths to compensate so our muscles maintain the form ...

You don't even have to go to the extreme of Antarctica or the Atacama desert. Canada, Australia, Russia, even most of the western U.S is practically empty. In the relatively near future there will be nothing a human can do that a robot can't. Tourism is the only feasible way of getting more than a tiny handful of humans into space. Eventually there could be a resort on the Moon, basically a giant mall with waterslides, rides, an arena for Moon sports. People would go there for a week or two, and the staff could move back and forth, so it would always be partially populated. If it was self sufficient then it could serve as an emergency humanity saver (if a massive meteor, ect.) as well as something that could actually make money.

18:50 On the subject of studying Mars via rovers vs humans, I think it would have been pertinent to point out that a Mars colony would allow us to do both. Building in situ is a neccesary component of Mars colonisation, and so this should allow us to create a stockpile of parts for rovers, and send teams out to repair and refuel them when neccesary, extending mission timelines and potentially saving money in the long run. A self-sustaining colony should be able to build many custom rovers that are capable of specialising in specific tasks rather than trying to be a jack of all trades and a master of none. The rovers could also be much larger and heavier, as they are no longer constained by the need to launch them from Earth. I don't think a Mars colony is likely anytime soon, but I think it's still a good idea to think about the constraints of a manned Mars mission, and to work slowly towards one even if it's a long way off.

Musk thinks he's Tony Stark, but he's really Justin Hammer.

How are you going to protect the passengers, crew and equipment from radiation during transiting 1000[km] of Van Allen belts? Will the passengers and crew be in gimbals to keep their feet in the direction opposed to acceleration/deceleration? Since there's no acceleration, in any direction, do the passengers and crew have to endure 9 months of no gravity while coasting in space?

colonizing Mars- we can't even colonize correctly on earth. not in my lifetime.

The 1st thing humans will build on the Moon and/or Mars: A cemetery

The gravity's less but it'll feel the same carrying around the breathing equipment.

very good video on the subject

Why go to Mars?? To get more Candy Bars, of course!!

The WHY is easy, because we are vulnerable as we only have one planet. Once we are spread out over multiple planets, we are more secure

The trip itself will kill us 🌓

we currently have a small straw boat in space. improve our propulsion first. if we can get to mars in 7 days, then everything will change

Excellent work -- thank you! 🚀

If you knew that an extinction-level asteroid would hit the earth in one hour, would you look up at the fireball and think, "gosh, I'm glad we're a multi-planet species?" Is that your last thought?!

It would be more productive building out by the asteroids where materials (especially water) are commonly available. This would allow building of ring space habitats that can achieve 1G. The commercial value would be the metals in the asteroids (type M) plus anything else we find, but I'm not holding my breath on that one! An asteroid belt station would also provide a convenient stop-off point to the outer planets and for a deep space observatory (beyond the sun's thermosphere). We desperately need a deep space observatory (seriously, we do). It could also provide a platform for research too dangerous to conduct on earth (nuclear and biologic). As for Mars, it hasn't even been demonstrated the human fetus could develop correctly in 34% gravity (believe it or not, gravity plays a major role in correct fetal development). But what we can say, for sure, is that humans would suffer physical deterioration that would likely communicate over successive generations. So colonization is beyond absurd without extensive scientific investigation and genetic engineering (that we don't have today). Then there's the problem of radiation. Basically, humans on Mars would become cave dwellers. That or they need to establish a Mayo Clinic on Mars because everyone will have cancer within 5 years of arrival. I can definitely see scientific value is sending people (with a laboratory) to Mars. But it would be a scientific endeavor and not an attempt at colonization. Personally, I'm far more interested in AI robots for exploration of places we, as humans, cannot go due to ionization radiation and other factors (moons of Jupiter spring to mind). I am aware the latest rover has a basic AI capability but I'm talking about near-human AI that can adapt dynamically to what it finds and requires no intervention from Earth. So robotic exploration absolutely should be given priority as it opens up the whole of the solar system to detailed exploration.

Also , saying space tech helps in developing new technology for our everyday lives is true. But if that is our motivation, then we need many many more wars because warfare has indeed developed far more tech for our convenience than any other human endeavor.

this video is great other than the part where you say the moon isn’t exciting colonizing the moon is exciting as fuck

That was a long time ago. Now he says we will have a Habitat within 50 years ago. And the reason is because of the Launch Window. It is only every 26 months and you can't just touch the regolith and come home. You have to wait for the launch window to open again. This means the Habitat has to be ready when you get there. It will take the effort of several countries and hundreds of billions of dollars and the use of next-level Robotics. The worst part, once you start having births on Mars, you will see that humans will have to evolve to survive on Mars.

The only humans that will ever settle on Mars, will be Teslabots. It is not possible for an organic Oxygen breathing living organism to survive on the surface of Mars for more than a few seconds.

This INSANE desire to "FIND LIFE!!" somewhere else. WHY? And how MUCH to SPEND for it?

This man makes more sense than scientists,its going to take lots of years to take humans to mars....

The idea of a floating colony in the upper atmosphere of Venus is a mind numbingly stupid concept. One single power failure, one single technical issue and everyone dies a horrible death in one go.

So we don't want to spend money to solve climate change but we don't hesitate to spend astronomical amount of money to send a few people to Mars. Yes makes sense

The moon makes complete sense though, if we have to do a colony.

When I see these people set up a self-sufficient base in Antarctica and the Sahara, just for one year. I may take them a little more seriously. I don't mean sealed off like those domes that Steve Bannon promoted a few years back. They can have all the oxygen, and the gravity, and the survivable (at times) temperature. They can have all that. Just send a couple of dozen people to the bases, but no further supplies after the initial drop (or any extra supplies in line with what they could expect on Mars). If they were really intending to go, and not just working a grift, they would do this, then they would repeat the experience on the Moon. They can afford it, so let's see some action.

The trip itself will kill us 🧑🏻‍🚀☠️

I think Venus Cloud base/city is more realistic though. There is much less problems to solve. I also thing choosing other places might still be better even if it's much further. Asteroid belt is definitelly good option and unlike Mars there is actual profit to make.

Depends how many resources and factories we can make there . What’s really dumb is so many humans die here in so many dumb ways or killed , what’s the difference if someone dies in space or underwater cave diving ?

I think it’s an exercise in futility.

Being rich dosent mean he is wise..

I think Elton John got it right, "Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids. In fact, it's cold as hell." For exploring Mars, we are far better off just sending robots. If you are worries about human survival, build some really secure, self-contained, deep underground bunkers (which would be far cheaper and far easier). The comparison with European colonists going to the Americas or Australia is really dumb. They went to places where humans already lived.

you meant 200 million instead of thousand at around 15:35, right?

we could send ai to mine mars for us ?

Nice colony pictures, and well thought out. Hopefully we will send several thousand humanoid robots first. Once the planet is teraformed with increased gravity and magnetic poles and a protective atmosphere then send some people. Unfortunately, if you are unhappy here, Mars won't be any better.

Fraiser sent me. Good show! 👍

Telepresence is better for exploration of hostile environment. There is only problem with communication lag. On the Moon it can be done directly from earth, it was shown that 3s of lag is reasonably adaptable. If we wanted real time communication with WALDO then the astronaut will need to sit on Moon orbit though. To explore Mars through telepresence, the ship will need to park on Martian orbit. This method will lower the dangers associated with landing, toxic and irradiated environment... And also since human requires at least 0.7g for healthy life the artificial gravity via rotating ship will provide safer environment to stay in than Mars. An argument that it is better when human does the exploration directly fails on the requirements to be able to do it. In bulky and heavy spacesuit the astronaut movement and ability to explore is much more limited than it would be through telepresence.

The best way to get to Mars is for China to announce a serious program to go there. The smart move would be to...... let them. But we aren't that smart.

Yes, a dumb idea.

Seeing is believing. What puts me off manned space flight is you have to wear a spacesuit.

indomitable human spirit

In 2021 the budget of NASA was about $23 billion. In 2021 the US defense budget was $768 billion total federal budget 6,300 Billion.

The only reason to maintain this ruse, is money laundering.

20:22 then we never go anywhere. That is stupid. Mitigate the risks as well as we can. Go. At least, unlike in ALL our previous journeys (f.e. to Australia), we will try to travel "clean".

I can't think of any other big goal and huge step forward for humanity other than colonising mars and spreading in the solar system that's what we've doing on earth since we first appeared spread reach far places and settle

No sane,intelligent person would ever consider going to Mars...😂

Its just a big distraction. I cannot see that happening in the next 100 years if at all and its a pointless exercise anyway. And if terraforming is so easy why are we not terraforming parts of earth that are uninhabitable.

Sometimes you get to smart and become stupid this is a pipe dream and a hugh waste of time and money our planet now needs all the help it can get

I mean, what was the point of going to the moon? I like the thought of humans landing on mars. It’s not like the billions of dollars needed to fund the program is really that ridiculous if you really look at it…we spend that type of money on a normal Wednesday in the US…

A few brave people will explore mars and thats doable but colonisation or terra-forming......they watch too many movies

Fix our own leave that dead planet alone

Long time ago this video now, but I don't understand the low hit/like rate for your excellent work. You (among a few others) obviously, understand the reality of the hype of the futureisme. A lie become more valid than the truth. Something is wrong. This planet suffers from a global mental desease that is caused by greed, money and profit.

"Many orders of magnitude smaller" That's a Musk-ism and very few people seem to understand what it means. One order of magnitude is a factor of ten. 1000 is one order of magnitude smaller than 10.000. So if you make something "many" orders of magnitude cheaper then you reduce the price by something like 10000 times.... which makes a $500mln launch cost $50k. Stop using Musk-isms. "Musk has very optimistic estimates" He has no estimates at all, he has marketing. Space tourism: there are not enough rich people to make that profitable. Zubrin is an idiot, that's why Musk likes him. Ironically, Zubrin is now more realistic about how feasible a Mars colony is than Musk. Zubrin at least acknowledges things like radiation, which Musk simply handwaves as "not a problem", because he doesn't understand it. If you ask Musk a difficult question he tends to just run away. But, Zubrin also thinks that he can pay for the missions by having the colonists work for their place in the colony. I'm guessing that working in extreme conditions on Mars makes you suddenly able to produce millions of dollars worth of product... Will we go to Mars? Probably. Is Musk going to do it? No. Starship is a joke, it cannot even get to the Moon without refuelling, let alone Mars. To get to Mars it has to be refuelled to get to HEO and then be refuelled again but the tankers are also starships so they need to refuel to get to HEO to refuel starship. And refuelling a starship requires 6 tankers so getting a starship to Mars takes 6+36 tanker flights. Even if they can fly every 12 days that is a year of refuelling... Musk taks about sending 100 people per starship but if it takes 365 days to get to HEO and then 270 to get to Mars that means starship needs 600 days of food. Each packet is 2kg, times 100 people , times 600 days = 120.000kg of food. And starship can only carry 100.000kg Musk's Mars plans are a joke. A literal joke.

Any idea supported by Musk is a dumb idea.

We can barely survive living at the South Pole and it has oxygen not to mention water..

We should definitely create a permanent Moon colony long before we even consider colonising Mars. The Moon has the big advantage of being relatively speaking really close; almost certainly no life we could destroy or contaminate; and it's super low gravity means it makes sense to build industry there to manufacture space ships there.

Of course it is.

Maybe Elon Musk should have said 60 years instead of 6 years or maybe even 106 years to get people to Mars. I say send robots it's smarter cheaper faster safer better. And maybe in a couple hundred years or so we could look at maybe going there and putting some kind of scientific Outpost.

You can't colonize NASA CGI

Maybe we can do some Bitcoin mining on Mars.

This guy is a Batman fan! I'm definitely watching this video to the end

Everything about going to another planet is ridiculous humans had to earn the right to live on this one do you think we can just move to another planet and die instantly yes I do

My power 100000v ac x2 , and resting and running . No fuel no batteries and no solar . Game yes I'm active , 50 years in repair works it's the way to do it . Ok do eat your way .

Agreed the idea of colonizing Mars is dumb, but then again Elon has a track record of doing big, radical things and it's served him pretty well so far.

It's a death sentence, and there's nothing there other than a planet thats trying to kill you every minute.

We can't! the human body is weak and fragile.

Yes.

I love space exploration, and Elon, however, the alternatives to live somewhere earth even if far remote, even if under the sea, on the sea in caves, deserts or the arctic, the earth offers so much much more for sustainability, starting with readiliy available capturable oxgen, water, soil, and we can still have the blue skies of beautiful earth. Earth was made for Man.

Lets just stay on earth...if anything will happen to the planet in the future...that ain't our business....we don't give a shyt...we will have enjoyed our time😂

“Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done, and why. Then do it.” ― Robert A. Heinlein

Elon Musk is going to prove himself to be an idiot when he lands humans on Mars.

Yeah I get it, I don't want to live on this planet anymore either. But where else are you going to go? Everyplace else we know of in the universe is designed to kill you.

Waste of money. Fix earth first!

No, it’s not a bad idea. A bit ambitious with our current technology. But if the human race survives, we will eventually colonize the entire solar system so no. Not a bad idea.

Try trillions....spend that money on rebuilding earth we made a mess to our mother earth,now you want to go to mars so we can destroy it too? You can't fix your problems here on earth.

Gotta assume there's much more to this promotion than meets the eye. Business men are basically salesmen and promoters. Mr. Musk is no different. He's selling a dream. Whether it will pan out the way advertised is another matter. It could be he's simply looking for men and women who are willing to risk their lives to work on getting to Mars. And once there it will require MORE work and MORE risk. He's not saying it will be paradise. It's just a dream. Invest and believe and take your chances. Notice Musk, Mars, and More all begin with M. It's M&Ms candy. The chocolate melts in your mouth. Not in your hand. No wonder i like it.

I'M SORRY I CAN'T TRUST ANYONE WEARING A BATMAN T-SHIRT ! ! !🤔

You can't go there without me , Your power is rockets and needs a large fuel chamber and tons and tons of fuel and in space a solar power and have a large wings . It's not the right way to go to Mars. The right way is antigravity way removing the weight first before flying and the way the spaceship is traveling. Is the up pull the bottom push center zero which is the chassis and load is following only . The front pull the back push and center zero which is the chassis and load is following only. The spaceship must be inside the gapping zone. How can you make a gapping zone? In the gapping zone it can travel in light speed , Like my invention flash driving running in light speed way is gapping zone way shafting the chassis and load is following only. Try and try , and you will fail , ok it's your money . I'm willing to help and and you don't want ok . Bye .

Dumb idea landing on mars first,what about the moon? Build a base first close to earth use it to refuel and continue on your journey,,,isn't that better?

Yep, colonizing Mars is dumb. It's not worth the trouble, OR the treasure. Get over it, geeks!

The point is enjoying science fiction but also understanding it remains fiction