Is Command and Conquer Dead? 

WE ARE SO BACK!!!!!! its so over, its sooo fucking over...... WE ARE SO FUCKING BACK!!!!!!

Adding the C&C collection to Steam sold more than a few copies... It was totally worth EA's time.

Command and conquer lives in death

A big reason why AOE2 definitive edit has done so well is because it didnt just remaster it added new civs, campaigns, technologies and tons of qol features not only that but it has continual balance changes and content releases.

All they had to do is retcon C&C4 with a new game, but also expand greatly what C&C3+Kane's Wrath gave us and with some of the ideas from 4 that actually are good. Not to mention that apart of GDI and Nod, they should've brought back the Scrin (and thus the whole story point where the Scrin Overlord comes to Earth with the ACTUAL Scrin military) and introduce The Forgotten with their own load of unique stuff (with them being a mix of mutant infantry, scavanged GDI and Nod vehicles + their own ramshackle tanks, as well as tamed Tiberium fauna from Fiends to Visceroids and Floaters). This is the only good way for this series to allow EA to win back the crowd.

It's been killed by the deadly growth around the globe of the microtransaction crystals, spread by the moba game plants after the EA meteor struck California.

Command and Conquer will always live in our hearts... the veterans. We wont let it die. Our fanbase is just sleeping... being dormant. Just like the Marked of Kane. And just like our prophet said "They need but one thing. Someone to give them purpose. Someone to give them life" And If they would gave that to us we would litelary become awakaned just like fanbase of Age of Empires.

Rule of thumb Zade, you can't kill The Messiah (of RTS video games)

CnC will never die, I won't let it (I am on severe copium it's already dead, barely anyone knows it anymore 😭)

Depends, im just waiting for a Tiberium Sun remaster.

Official decanonization of CNC 4 would definitely stir a lot of fan enthusiasm. And if some side games are required, make Renegade 2 for a different part in the timeline. First Person in the Tiberium World IS an option.

Remaking or even just remastering Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2 would definitely hold more players than the previous remaster.

They released Zero Hour on steam and other games without adapting them, had to adjust the resolution to run it as usual. EA does NOT care about new players or the game in any way.

I wish that Generals 2 wasn’t scrapped back then, I remember seeing the news about it in GameInformer and was super excited about it.

I am afraid that EA sees C&C the same way blizzard do with warcraft and starcraft. They don't want to make a serious effort for something that will only make them few millions at most. They need billions. They need that mobile gatcha money. Otherwise they will just toss is to someone to make a little bit as it requires no effort and they don't need to take any risk.

A remaster of any of the classic command and conquer games would certainly would be a good and low risk move! Generals, Red Alert, Tiberium Sun, etc

Time will tell... sooner or later, time will tell... Que the music.

I got a computer and downloaded steam just to purchase CNC the ultimate collection. Loving it all.

I loved the c n c series for the single player stuff. It's not rocket science. What made it wonderful was: 1. Base building, putting turrets and buildings more or less, wherever you wanted. 2. Resource gathering that was ad infinitum. 3. No time limits, so you could explore and plan 4. Missions start difficult, but as your base expands and gets more powerful, the game gets easier, so felt rewarding and fun. 5. A touch of cool. 6. When the loot boxes are found on the battlefield, not on some online page to make yet more money. 7. No micro transactions. 8. DLC doesn't dampen core game or total play time.

First remaster was simply an experiment on EA side, and the reappearance of CnC games on steam just a desperate step to turn little bit more money to add profit alongside last round of layoff in major EA studios. Next remaster will be, I think, but only when gamedev will stabilize from turmoil in which it is now.

It was all a simulation for Legion! Without copium: second remaster is very likely. But like somebody in the coments said, the way to revive this series is to do more content for thouse said remaster, that wil keep people playing. I'm not sure that will happen.

Just bought a pc just to play C&C. CAN NOT WAIT! 😊

As good as the first remasters were. It was only a nostalgia pill. I am not sure how many people would categorize the first 2 command and conquers as their favorites. I feel like many people put Red Alert 2 amongst their top. A Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2 remaster I believe would thrive a lot more than the first one. With better online support, level map creator, and some other nifty mods. The fan base would make the games very playable

I am a huge fan of C&C, I literally grew up with it. But I'm sad to say I see no future 1: The Remaster was just to jump on the gravy train because, as memory serves, there were many remasters coming out at the time. 2. The mobile games allow EA to keep the IP as they are technically making new games for it, and they can rely on a decent number of mobile gamers to play it. 3. I can't accurately say why they released the Steam bundle, maybe they saw Origin loosing money so decided to shift. But from a business point of view, it's more profitable to keep the IP then sell it off, so they'll keep making shifty mobiles and maybe drip feed remasters to make a quick buck. But I see no new titles ever coming out. I pray that I'm wrong

I do hope that we'll get at least another remastered collection. Hopefully also a remaster of C&C3. As for the future? I really don't see the series continuing. C&C4 was supposed to be the finale, and it was maimed and bungled beyond any recognition or saving. Joe Kucan has moved on long ago, and without Kane, the chair of C&C is missing one of its legs. They could perhaps work around that, but honestly I don't see them doing anything worthwhile with the IP beyond a hopeful remaster or two. Honestly, just like with Half-Life 3 and a Sly Cooper sequel, it's time to move on.

There's a number of exciting RTS games that are currently working their way through the middle to late stages of development which might have drawn EA's attention. I wouldn't be surprised if someone at EA used the recent C&C Steam releases to test the waters in order to prove that folks would be interested in a new game. If that's the case, I think we're still a long way out from seeing a proper C&C game. It's plausible to consider that there is something in the works, but it'd be at the very early stages of development.

3:43 Why not? Retconning the Tiberium saga would be the best way to bring the fanbase back. We already make jokes about CNC4 non-existence, making a new, true CNC sequel would be the safe and better way, comparing to making just another spin off about generals. The big problem I see is the release of Tempest Rising, which if it's good it would crush our hopes and dreams

I totally disagree that C&C Remastered was a failure. Of course it didn't have the most longevity, ultimately the gameplay just doesn't have the depth of the newer games. In a similar vein, AOE Remastered had almost no playerbase when compared to AOE2's remastered editions. A remaster of RA2 with some improvements to the control scheme will have a much healthier multiplayer scene and much greater longevity as a result.

Yeah, I totally agree with Zade. If EA is planning to develop new C&C video games, they must lure the fans back with remasters first. This will help EA decided whether it's worth the investment or not. But we already know that a Red Alert 2 remaster is surely be a guarantee success and it's one of the most popular RTS of its time. Imagine playing it again with modern QoL improvements. Anyways, if EA would love to toy with the idea of remasters, I think this should be great timeline: • Remastered Collection Vol. 2 (with TS+Firestorm, RA2+YR, and Renegade) • Remastered Collection Vol. 3 (with Generals+ZH, Tiberium Wars + Kane's Wrath, and Red Alert 3 + Uprising) • Command & Conquer 4 (yes, a proper ending to the Tiberium Saga that continues how Tiberium Wars ended) • Command & Conquer: Generals sequel (a sequel to Generals+ZH) • Command & Conquer: Red Alert 4 (a sequel to Red Alert 3 and acts as a celebration of all C&C games) And if possible bring back Westwood (Petroglpyh) to remaster their games and be lead developers for at least C&C4 and RA4.

That entire lemon of accountability that you must consume is your sword of Damocles. Awaiting you by the end of this year.

Ok to be honest, C&C Remaster is fun nostalgia but nothing to write home about and keep playing for a long time. Tiberian Sun, Red Alert2 and Generals are the ones people dust off once a year play and put away fro another year.

Really dont understand, why the originals got remastered. Why they do hold up better, than i thought, they still dont feel great to play. Gameplay can be very janky. Tib Sun and RA 2 were the goal, that they originals were aiming at. They are not top tier, but they feel much better. The production values are there, the mechanics are there, the jank is less there. I mean why stop, before the main course people are actually here for. The originals are curiosity, but 2 has a future.

If they ever release them at GOG... they might revive the series more than ever...

The most likely thing to succeed if made right I think would be a Reimagining of Tiberian Dawn. A completely new game essentially retelling in greater depth from more angles the tib dawn story. The rise of Nod. Introducing a new generation to what captivated people in 95. Details to go into could be the issues of GDI taking on the role in practice of world government, do they see it as a force for good? Or is GDI a tool for the US to control the world? I can just imagine A. Jones ranting about how GDI is the stepping stone to world government. What about the prospect of Nod controlling 51% of world tiberium supply, promising economic freedom to the worlds outcasts. You need no education, you need no connections, you can join the brotherhood and drive a harvester and get rich. To go the extra mile it could be a fun twist to have Nod archival missions where Nod influenced history at pivotal moments, complete with a medieval roster of units and maybe causing the fall of Rome etc.

Really thought they'd bring back Tib Sun with remaster like they did Tib Wars since it actually sold quite well but after *checks the notes* close to 4 years without even a hint of life im thinking that its just dead. Gonna enjoy me some Mental Omega mod or something that has really nice SP Experience and life in my happy little world, that way at least i cant get disappointed.

If EA wants to retain the rights, I think it is best to just give Petroglyph a basically permanent license to do whatever with it.

TBH EA should just sell the IP they ruined and focus on milking the sport fan that are willing to pay for the same game every year

Nah, the modders keep it alive.

C&C Renegade also proves that the series doesn't have to be just RTS games. It's one thing to be a commander literally overlooking the battle, but to actually play as a commando and get stuck in with the fighting as a war hero is another! Why not have another Renegade game? Or an MMO in-style of Renegade? Or do something like G.I. Joe with unique champions that represent both sides and flesh out the Tiberium Universe more?

“Time will tell” In my eyes the most obvious thing is a remaster of the Red Alert 2 and Tiberian Sun, like the previous remaster. For EA this is the most low effort and money wise they can do.

Thing is. EA is making a new RTS that isn’t C&C, Respawn/Bit Reactor (collaboration with Jim Vesella) called Star Wars RTS. And I hope EA can use those teams to help make a new reboot or sequel to any C&C series.

Not having multiplayer servers native on the steam collection really hurt it I think.

Any new C&C that EA releases is guaranteed to have microtransactions and/or battlepasses shoved into it. For that reason, I'm not interested. All I want is an RA2 remaster.

RETCON C&C4

C&C lives on through the community

Tib war is one of my favorite games period. They need to bring it into the modern era.

c&c needs a reboot, I always thought generals was the first step towards that, like a super normal campaign and then: boom! mysterious meteorite crashes near the Tiber river

Tempest rising is truly going to be Tiberium Saga's spiritual successor

Only problem with getting a Generals remake would be the diplomatic issues that it could raise. I'm all for never retrospectively censoring media but I could 100% see heads really not wanting to lean into some of the stuff generals brought up I think TS and RA2 could be a great starting point but I think you are underselling them never touching a redux of cnc4. I could 100% see them reconning it

I mean: RTS's like C&C have the perfect template to be fun, without too much effort. Simply by making clever use of what you have. What makes our loved games so fun? Units which simply say crazy things, or stuff that makes them look like they are the apocalypse incarned ("It is day of judgement."). Blowing things up with super weapons. Feeling like a god, because you can control as much units as your computer can take. All these arent that hard to make. They just need clever placement and dedication to do so.

we are just like the Marked of Kane, we dedicated our body, mind and soul to the cause, as we lie dormant in our bunkers. Waiting to be given purpose.

I love Tiberium saga but for me it ended when Kane went into the Tower at the end of Kane's Wrath. What i want is a Tib Sun remaster then start a new series or reboot Generals but Global Conflagration may have that covered.

Besides a "C&C Origins" style reboot, another possible direction to take would be to make a post C&C4 type spinoff which follows the Brotherhood of Nod as they are now a space-faring, "wandering" civilization of humanity, playing "space guerilla warfare" not unlike Stargate, using thresholds to be constantly on the move in a mobile war against the Scrin as Kane is working towards some ultimate end goal. Marking the first game where effectively Nod is the "good guys" as they're the representative of humanity.

Used to play Red Alert 2 a lot back in the day. I'm looking forward to DORF RTS for a similar fix once it's ready.

Check : Red Chaos - The Strict Order ❤

C&C generals and zero hour were my favs. I would love an update or new game of that.

Have you heard of "sanctuary: shattered sun" ? I didn't watch your whole video but i'd like to tell you that this is going to be an awesome rts game. It's available to be wishlisted on steam and will start their kickstarter, soon.

I love how you slowly lead us to the thought "are WE as players showing out interest by investing our money"? It brings us back to the reality pretty quick. Thank you.

I think you're underestimating just how popular Red Alert 2 actually is bud.

I'm always sad we never got that Generals 2 they teased ages ago with Bioware. Feels like several lifetimes ago that trailer premiered. I would adore a proper Generals/Zero Hour remaster or sequel. Just look at General's Evolution (which I would play if the Remastered Collection hadn't broken everything; I need to find out if that's fixed yet?)

I've long thought that C&C could be "re-introduced" by way of crossover. Specifically with EA's own Battlefield franchise. I know this channel is RTS-heavy but Battlefield games used to have a commander mode where one player per team would act as an eye-in-the-sky issuing orders to live players, send supply drops, and operate surveillance hardware. I think a C&C + BF crossover would do both franchises a lot of good.

I have been playing C&C Generals Zero Hour since they launched it on STEAM. Played the campaigns each one time and the General Vs Generals. Great game to get initiated into C&C games from the earlier 2000s series.

I doubt we will ever see a main line Tiberium game, I remember hearing that Joseph Kucan has stated he is not interested in returning to the role of Kain after how he was treated during the production of [redacted].

I think the problem is that big companies want to be there with the young new audience to have a good share of customers going forward. They don't want to cater too much to older gamers like us anymore. But on the other hand they probably also see that the market is still there. Let's see what the coming years bring, especially with the anniversary next year. Maybe they plan something, maybe not. Time will tell... Time will tell.

KANE LIVES!

The cancelled C&C title was supposed to be in line with Generals, so they were thinking along that lines. But oh well

I'm not sure the release on Steam means anything : EA also released Dungeon keeper with the C&C bundle, I don't think a new one in the works...

It's joe(kucan)ver. But if we're not getting a TibSun/RA2 remake, maybe a TibWars/RA3 one. Hell, why not staple them together and create a game where you can have Nod face off against the Empire, GDI against Soviets and the Allies against the Scrin?

Saying that the Tiberium Saga is over is not how I see it. I think there is room for a fifth and maybe final game, tying up one loose end of one game, and maybe bringing back one other thing: The return of CABAL (which was slightly suggested at the end of Firestorm, and it could have had contingency plans to justify it). The full-scale invasion of the Scrin. Throw both in at once, and you got three main factions for a big three-way-war: GDI - As we know them from the first three games Cabal - Bringing back its version of Nod from Firestorm to replace the now-mostly-dissolved actual Nod Scrin - Doing their own thing (maybe repurpose the idea of Twilight and give them a few mobile buildings for their base?) Plus it would give us a potential for a rather terrifying concept: CABAL-ified Scrin.

Westwood Lives In Death!

General 2 was supposed to be an awesome RTS. They killed it.

Honestly if they went with a new command and conquer game, it would likely need to establish a style and aesthetic of world that would fall in line with the kinds of previous games. With at least 2 or 3 main factions scrapping over the world with distinctive style and setting. Like imagine a command and conquer game set within a more medieval or fantastical style universe…. One where the inventions of Leonardo davinchi suddenly took off and rose to far greater prominence. A renaissance themed world of religious and political divisions as papal forces of the resurgent borgia family and Italian states suddenly rising to prominence, leading to a militarised and corrupt Catholic Church, with industrialised German and other protestant states leading a revolution against the pope, scientific Islamic caliphates seeking to reclaim lost territory and secure their empire militarily, and the mysterious additional faction of the great Mongolian or asiatic empire that brings with it a mixture of Chinese, Mongolian, Korean, and Japanese influences in a bizzare amalgamation of what could have been an Asian empire if the mongols or Hirohito had succeeded in their respective invasions. This means Mongolian horse archers and ambush strategies, Chinese gunpowder and rockets, Korean turtle ships, and Japanese karakuri clockwork warriors and samurai. Air, land and sea make up the major fronts of attack. In this case, part of the tipping point comes from the discovery of a material known as the philosophite, but could be an early discovery of a tiberium like material. Combined with the theoretical plans of the day and then massively expanded as the limitless properties of philosophite become known across the world, the world’s history shifts. A Massive War is inevitable as the religious and political tension hosts a breaking point and everyone seeks to assert their dominance. As for technology level… we are talking a slightly more advanced renaissance, so it’s a mixture of melee infantry, cavalry, archers/crossbows/gunners, artillery, heroes, and the bizzare war machines of steampunk, clockwork, and alchemical mad science fielded by each faction.

Let's say that we got Renegade 2, and let's say that it takes places in CnC3, with the attack on Kane's temple as the first mission. The Scrin would be what you'll face the most, with a bit of NOD here and there, so you can get some of there toys to use as well. As for who we would play as, let's say that they are the kid of Havoc, or they are the last person he trained before he died, you know so there's a tie in with the first game. The 'final' mission would be the attack on the 'almost' completed tower, with both NOD and the Scrin out in full force, since we never got to see what happened in that battle. EA could even make multiplayer for this, with the players against the Scrin, or just pull from Renegade X. After all, EA loves their FPS games, DLC, and multiplayer. What do you all say? Does this sound good, or like a waste of time?

I’ve been playing Kanes Wrath and Zero Hour since it came out on steam. Totalling around 20 hours of gameplay thus far

I would say that RA2 and Tiberian Sun really need revival editions, released together with the add ons. I thing Tiberian 3 with Kane's Wrath are quite up to standard anyway, so is RA3. I would love to see updated Generals and finished Generals 2, and better yet, if both were compatible.

I really wish they'd bring it back with a modern approach especially generals and zero hour

If there's a bright future for the series, I'm sad to say that it's far away. I think it's a better idea to look for something new than to hope something old springs back to life.

One day when I was a kid and bought a PS 1 magazine,the ones that gave a CD full of demos,one of the games was RD1, and OMG 😱😱😱 It's very hard to pick a favourite I love all the games But red alert/Yuri 2 and command and conquer generals are very special. So many lan parties on those 2 masterpieces. These games can't die like this😢😢😢

Does C&C have any mods? On steam?

I believe we are going to see more remaster, maybe a Part 2 with Tiberium SUn and Red Alert 2 or just TIberium Sun since those games are a lot bigger than the first Cnc and RA, but after that I dont think EA plans to make more, what could change their mind is a big very successful new rts from another company, but Age 4 still lags behind Age 2 and while a successful game is not a massive hit, and the only 2 another success that I saw these last years are Dune Spice Wars, which is at best a AA game and its more a passion project with FUncom and SHiro than something designed to generate massive profit and maybe Godsworn, which is very small and driven more by word of mouth, with high profiles AAA rts released being considered flop, like COmpany of Heroes 3 (which I adore despite its flaws) and Age of Sigmar Realms of RUins, even if we go back time before Age 4 release the biggest rts released I believe were Halo Wars 2 (which seems to have a good fanbase) and Warcraft 3 remaster and Dow 3, so in the space of AAA rts EA marketing team and shareholders sees just big marketing failures, not considering why they fail, and moderate success with Age 4, so despite fans claiming for more, EA is very much a company driven by shareholders and big monetization, so I dont see them making a new CNc soon, I hope I am wrong, sometimes they makes some miracles like Dead Space remake and the Star Wars Soulslike, but even those usually are made because they have other studios making insanelly successful games in those genres with Resident Evil seilling very well and Soulslike being super popular. And there is the fact that Im not sure I want a new Cnc mostly because EA can ruin it with battle pass and tons of microtransactions ruining the experience, but again I hope Im wrong and they make a good Cnc games and support it with good expansions like in the old days.

Tempest Rising will be released soon which is heavenly inspired by CnC gameplay

finished campaign on Zero Hour, now replaying challenges.

I hope Generals 2 is next in line. But with the base building style, not what we`ve seen in CnC4.

The best we can maybe hope for is a faithful remaster of Tiberian Sun and/or Red Alert 2, I don't expect much more than that, and even this I feel like is expecting too much.

yes its dead the only thing that will change this is if the IP is sold

@Zade: Command & Conquer or Red Alert aren't the only options. They could also go back to the OG the base, before these game you had Dune 1 and 2 maybe this old Westwood game could be could somehow licensed again. The 2 movies did pretty good. Maybe that would be another way to bring the genre back!

I don't believe in poorly talking about something, but I think that Petroglyph Studio can do it well if EA has the will for that. EA will do only something that brings a lot of money, I think that the new CNC has the perspective to make a lot of money, so I think that there will be a new CNC, but I don't know when.

I am so glad I'm not the only one who doesn't stop thinking about this

Generals is still one of my favorite RTS games in 2024, i've probably sunk 1500+hrs into Generals/Zero Hour. CNC3 was pretty epic, but all I've wanted this whole time is Genz 2

While I see about 0% chance of this happening, I can't help but imagine Red Alert 2 and Tiberian Sun getting remastered (or remade in 3D, if they also include Generals) in the same package, and in multiplayer we would have the option to play all of those factions against each other. 0% chance, but I think it would be awesome!

I see this as the calm before the storm... But not for Command & Conquer. Sadly, we'll never see a new C&C game, but that doesn't exclude EA continuing to dig up older titles. However, taking into the RTS genre as a whole and we might have an RTS renaissance in the near future!

We need a worthwhile sequel to CnC 3. In fact why not remake or CnC 1 with a new engine and assets with all the missions we know and have a second part to it of all new missions and sub Objectives. That way we know what we getting and we getting a completely new campaign from that period.

Red Alert 4...

They should do a Red Alert-like time assassination in the Tiberium universe. Some salty GDI person goes back in time to kill Kane before he fully established the 'modern' NOD as we know it(there were mentions about it being an ancient cult or something, but referring specifically to it being a military organization) sometime around the 1950-1970s. They do this by highjacking some early Ion Cannon prototype and blowing up the entire area where it was supposed to happen. Major timeline changes occur, causing some technologies from Red Alert or even Generals to bleed over into the Tiberium universe. As a bonus this would remove C&C4 from the timeline

How can you delete C&C4 if it doesn't exist?

I just wish they'd be working on a Dune2k remaster, one of the first games I ever played and with the Dune universe propelled into the stratosphere because of Villeneuve's movies you'd think they'd wanna cash in on the hype.

Tempest rising. Take a look, it might scratch that command and conquer itch.

I don't like to think of it to be the true but... I do believe that CnC is truly on life support. The only reasons people still play is because cnc and red alert games are timeless, plus the mods are hard carrying the games. But the flame may burn only for so long without some fuel. But alas, EA will not give us a good game. They would never. And that's the truth.

I still want Tiberium. And Ghost, for that matter! But for real a Generals 2 or spinoff would be sick. What I would guess is that there is at least some attention being paid to all the RTS being made, if one of those turns out to be a huge hit, another CnC might well be possible.

I got this pack just for C&C: Generals. I gave up on seeing the release of Generals 2 a long time ago. That being said, I guess they will release a HD version of all C&C games. P.S. I am still extremely pissed that they didn't fix any bugs or compatibility issues.