Is CWD Changing Midwestern Deer Hunting? | S3E04 | Cal in the Field 

Same! I’m in Illinois so maybe I just like us midwestern folk, but Doug is the real deal. Good guy, puts his money where his mouth is so to speak. Wish I could see the farm!

Tons of bad and false information going around the community about CWD. Im not a conspiracy theorist. But dont be surprised if the government didn't have a solid hand in alot of the fear being spread about CWD

Yeah man I hunt alot to in Wisconsin. everyone looking for bullwinkle lol. Won't shoot does ... but I do and yeah we can shoot alot of em 12 bucks a tag . We do alot of drives in gun season and shoot alot of doe but many don't do that it changed for sure 100% and the buck to doe ratio I see is like 40 50 doe 5 to 10 bucks it's way way off . My logic is shoot does they make babies yes but one that lives to 5 or 6 makes 5 or 6 babies maybe some twins in there. But 1 buck breeds how many doe ? In a season ? Alot I'm guessing so in areas maybe dudes should do earn a buck again or something

@@JoshSDshot Ain't no meat like for meat. Keep the killer alive brother!

Good thing EHD doesn't affect humans

How dare you resist the Snort

Except for that snot loogie that was stuck to his mustache.

@@coleakabroseph It looked to me like it had frozen into a snotcicle.

Couldn’t agree more mate, coming from Vic originally and now based in Northern WA we have a horrible track record of looking after our natural resources

Interesting I did not know that

@@nopharksgiven I’m on the north coast of NSW and currently we have mesh netters legally taking entire schools of spawning yellowfin bream, our mulloway stocks are critically low yet pros can still net whole spawning aggregations. And don’t get me started on how hard it is to hunt, all of which are invasives .

@@No_mans_flies we have people up here using square hooks that indiscriminately take anything that gets in the way even the endangered freshwater swordfish get caught up in them

@@nopharksgiven yep, we are 50 years behind the states in management

Dude so gross🤣🤣🤘🏻

@@coleakabroseph I can't imagine being that cold and still having to film an episode, but the cameraman should have given him a heads up.

I wouldn't worry about it.

@@ericswiatek827 agreed, this is my first year deer hunting (MO) and I was a bit scared at first, but after researching what exactly it is, reading several papers on it and knowing it has been around since the 1960's and typically deer show ZERO signs until after a year or two it puts it into perspective that "how many CWD deers have eaten when offered those venison burgers, chili, snack sticks, tenderloins, etc?

In certain areas this year in Manitoba we need to bring the deer in to get tested. Hopefully everyone obeys this or they will end up shutting our seasons down. Good luck this upcoming fall

I have a theory that nature has built in check mechanisms. This disease originated in farm raised deer, cramped in to tight unnatural areas. Nature sees this as an overabundance of deer in a specific area and the disease kicks in from the transfer of body fluids from within the enclosed deer. The population then collapses bringing deer levels back to appropriate levels for the land. In the wild this would be natures way of a population control. This is my own theory. I have no evidence for it.

How was the spread of mad cow stopped? If I remember it was mass slaughter of entire herds and change in the feeding practices. Something similar would have to take place to slow CWD spread

@@Eric-dr5bj Yes, MCD was stopped with the mass slaughter of cows. That would be next to impossible to do with CWD in deer as there are at least three species of deer involved (white-tailed. mule deer and elk) in many of the lower 48 states and some Canadian provinces. Controlling overpopulation, however (as Doug is trying to do in this video) is a good management practice as the disease is clearly density-dependent.

pretty sure the first record of CWD was from a whitetail in a pen with sheep. CWD is probably either a mutation of Scrapie or could be the same thing just a lack of genetic testing to confirm.

CWD is believed to have started in Fort Collins, CO. They had some deer in close proximity to sheep and there is a theory it crossed species that way. The big question is if it can jump to Humans.

Have you had an increase in ticks in your area? I know they are hitting the moose population hard in the Maine area

@@Eric-dr5bj we are starting to see them on our dogs if we go in the woods. Nothing crazy yet, but wasn’t long ago we didn’t have any

Dougs not a outfitter, or Cal

@@stanokeefe2713 seen an episode where Steve was on the show and he stated Doug had an outfitter business.

Doug let's others hunt the farm but he only has 2 lease holders that he charges money to help pay for the farm. Otherwise you have to do some work for him or conservation to get an invite

@Stan Okeefe this must be what I heard on him outfitting. It’s a great thing to exchange conservation work for hunting rights. That’s commendable!

It absolutely does, feeders create unnatural density and can be vectors for all sorts of disease.

Anything that brings many animals into close proximity to one another will exarurbate the spread. Feeders definitely do that

Perhaps but have u ever seen deer in a field? They naturally touch noses all the time it's what deer do....

@@dangerousdylan6262 A single family group interaction is unavoidable but feeders can bring many of those groups together when they normally would not interact

Feeders or no feeders, deer are still interacting at community scrapes with each other. Touching noses and licking each other all the time.

11:42 - what in the Jesus is that

@@jaredknapp8886 It froze into a snot-cicle.

The only thing people have seen is a decrease in the number of deer, including trophy bucks. It has been around for decades, why do we now try to control mother nature? Furthermore, if people are concerned about it instead of shooting everything, quit corning in the summer and planting food plots to congregate deer.

I mostly agree. It hasn’t been transmitted to humans, yet, and I have heard of one long term study that supports this, but I still don’t want to be the first and neither does my wife. We test. My issue with the DNR, in addition to what you pointed out, is that the testing turnaround takes so long. Reduce testing time, and/or if a replacement tag is issued for a deer taken by firearm or muzzleloader, the same method of take should be permissible through the end of the late bow season for that tag.

This is the only good response. Science is observation based and it's easy to observe this same thing across the US. Nothing will change because it's BIG MONEY

@@Chameleox I agree. The scary thing about Prion diseases is they take hold slowly and there is no cure. Here in CO you get a refund on your processing cost if you take a dear in a CWD unit and it tests positive.

Big mineral blocks for squirrel!!! Lol

Baits still being sold everywhere in Michigan. The DNR will never stop that here .

Sloderd, ruwnd. I finally found someone who's spelling is worse than mine.

Little to no impact by glyphosate. It doesn’t last in the environment after application and is only effective when in contact with foliage.

The idea is to dr8ve down the population numbers. A few will still slip through and grow old

Just curious have you've ever seen the number of confirmed CWD deaths in Texas? Also would you consider anyone hunting anything other than public land as being lame?

Keep the high fences lmao

@@coastallures1417 Not other than public land as being lame because I have hunted public land and private land my entire life and have taken deer from both. I gotta say, the times I hunted off of a feeder in Texas it just wasn't that difficult and there was always deer to shoot. I can't make myself to do it again. It just wasn't enjoyable to me to kill a deer whose feeding habits and movements were artificially influenced. I've also hunted deer off private land, no feeder. It wasn't lame. High fence is lame. Just ain't hunting.

​@@HillTrekkerSarge i think its due in part that people who own private land that don't have high fence operations actually make the land habitable for deer by making the environment wildlife friendly, ie planting native species and etc

It may or may not have started that way, and outbreaks have often been linked with deer farms, but the problem is not contained to deer farms.

It has also been linked to wild deer which are fed at feeders. One animal gets it from some source and then it spreads easily because of close contact with other deer at the feeder.

Sombero has been retired

Sounds like a good way to be patient zero

@@pellabandgeek Maybe, but pretty unlikely. Probably a better chance of getting the bubonic plague or rabies honestly. Not gonna let the anti-hunting propaganda and mass panic scare me away from what I want to do though.

Creutzfeld Jakob

@@dirtmcgirt6531 huh?

Creutzfeldt Jakob is the name of the prion disease that affects humans.

@@dirtmcgirt6531 cool. Thanks I'll look it up

@@robertoaiello9342 'Mad Cow' prions are insidious

This may be the only viable option to stop CWD, decimating the deer population to numbers so low, the disease dies off. This will bring deer population levels to depression era, when it was rare to see a deer. Any way we approach this, it's the end of deer hunting as we know it.

Yea that’s the easy way. A lazy man’s way of doing things. Or we could be smart about it. Hence the video you just watched. Hunters are trying to make a change at the early stages of this disease. That’s what hunters are doing. Do the same

@@richrobinson202 The easy way? How about the necessary way pal? I don't think most hunters understand just how destructive CWD is.

There is no cure and the disease is always fatal. Don't see any other way out. They had a similar method during the Mad Cow spikes. Full eradication

@@richrobinson202 imagine the trail of cwd left by one deer. Anything they pee on, poo on, or lick will carry cwd for 3 years . Surgical tools used on animals with cwd must be thrown away because the heat required to kill cwd would melt steel. 4 years ago we had large herds of healthy deer. Now small herds of sickly ones. Best thing would be to kill them all and start a new in a few years . Or just let it spread and slowly kill them all and give it time to morph into something that could kill humans.

Or, thank everyone from politicians, to animal rights activists... either way everyone is at fault

@@emersonmiles07 I don’t see how politicians and activists partook in deer diseases ?

@@jasonnester9514 regulation, and naysayers; not investing more money and time to wildlife issues.

@@emersonmiles07 well ya that’s pretty valid

@@emersonmiles07 but all these deer farmers and high fenced properties amish or English don’t help at all

I hunt down the road from Doug & shot 2 deer last rifle season. A local processor charged $120/ deer for the basic cutting & wrapping. They will cut up your deer almost immediately but not make any sausage until you contact them letting them know your deer was “CWD not detected”. All that was required from me was a phone call to the processor letting them know my CWD results from the WI DNR. The WI DNR took almost a month to get my results back. The testing location told me it usually takes 1 week. The testing process needs to be sped up. If CWD was detected, you’re still on the hook for $120/ deer & you can tell the processor to throw out your meat or you’ll pick it up. It’s up to you if you want to eat it or not. It’s a lot of money that could be wasted. I need to learn how to process my own. CWD was not detected in mine-thankfully. I could have been out $240 if they were positive & if I was following the CDC guidelines. The processor I used waited until all deer came in after rifle season w/ CWD not detected results & then batch ground sausage starting in January. That was my experience. There are many opinions on this subject on how things are done…

Colorado will refund your processing costs up to $200 I think if your deer tests positive for CWD in a mandatory CWD testing unit. Supposedly its very hard to clean any tools that have been in contact with the Prions and you basically need to hard soak everything in bleach.

During the WI 9 day gun deer season I took my deer to a local store that is a designated registration station & CWD sampling station. Checking in our deer at a station is tradition for us, not just phoning them in. These stations can be found on the WI DNR website or Google WI CWD sampling stations. They had iPads for registration & trained CWD sampling workers. Some are biologists. All they did was cut out the lymph nodes. They did not remove the heads. They also checked teeth for age. My deer were a 3 & 4 year old. I didn’t have them caped for mounting but did overhear the CWD sampler say he could extract the lymph nodes a cleaner way if you were planning to have it caped & mounted. I do not know if the CWD sampling technicians (biologists) are at the registration stations outside of the 9 day gun deer season. Hope that helps.

@@captmiker7423 that was way more helpful than the answer I got from the DNR. They said only way to get it tested was to send the whole skull to Madison and they'd send it back, but it would cost $90........ill look for those CWD sampling sites. Thanks!

From the WI DNR website. There’s a drop down menu to find your county & local registration/ sampling site. “Hunting Resource Stations - DNR Find CWD Sampling, Registration and Deer Disposal Sites All deer and bear registration must be completed electronically, either by telephone or Internet. However many businesses will serve as a registration station if the business provides a computer station or telephone open to the public. Stations will also continue to operate as chronic wasting disease sample collection stations.”

I don't think the corn has anything to do with it.

@@chrisparisi7291 I don’t believe that it causes CWD but I do believe it lowers the immunity of Deer to fight off infections they encounter.

@@justincase2467 you're close to understanding truth

@@justincase2467 Do you have a source or citation for that, or just a gut feeling?

@@chrisparisi7291 I have seen studies on this subject and it depends on who is funding the research, you can get totally different answers from competing university studies. My personal opinion is that Deer have become dependent on easy access to feeders, and will choose it over natural forage. I think this “fast food” diet is effecting their health no different than ours.

Agreed

Yes every employee at the CDC has to sign a pledge to (checks notes) scare off whitetail hunters in deep rural Wisconsin for (checks notes) unspecified reasons. That makes perfect sense. Flawless logic. I can see why you wouldn't want to trust all those ~scientists~ given the very obvious plot to ruin whitetail season.

@@chrisparisi7291 Chris has been removing his odd comments. my guess is it’s because he’s been all around this comment section telling people to respect others opinions... but is not very accepting or tolerant of others opinions.. case in point right here. you’ve been exposed chris.

@@peanutbutterripple1083 What are you talking about? I haven't removed anything. I think you're confused.

@@chrisparisi7291 then where is your last comment on this thread? i’m not seeing it on my screen...

Snot-cicle.

Except examples are also still being studied...

Right! He’s the greatest high fence hunter of all time! And a self proclaimed expert on literally EVERYTHING . He was the first ever hunter to ever do anything ever, according to him. Also he doesn’t believe in science, and thats what makes his opinion so valuable .

who gives a damn “dangerous” dylan... right?!? isn’t that what you said? i don’t want to dance with you too long though... you’re “dangerous” i bet. aren’t you dangerous dylan? 🤣

@@knIfebOmb769 do u need a shoulder to cry on?

@@peanutbutterripple1083 damn dude u make trump supporters look like inbreds... I like the guy too however I'm not a snowflake... go join the libtards ull fit in perfectly

@@dangerousdylan6262 why? For what? That doesn’t even make sense. You see you used that wrong. You can’t just say that to anything , it’s contextual. Do you know what that means? I’ll bet not. You’re come backs need a lot of work man. If I were you I’d stop embarrassing myself until I got better at it and try it again. Uncle Teds views on CWD are delusional. You love cat scratch fever , I get it , but that doesn’t make him an expert on disease control . You can try to justify it any way you want , but the general consensus on that podcast is Nugent is a self glorifying , narcissistic knob end. No one’s cares about Ted Nugents views on CWD, much less how the fenced in deer he hunts are the “smartest animals on earth” or however he put it. I get that Ted Nugent is the biggest Ted Nugent fan of all time, which is funny at first, but the novelty wears off quick. If you think Uncle Ted is more intelligent than Doug, after hearing that podcast, no offense , but you are likely an idiot.

What are you talking about? It just got here. We haven’t even had a season with it. You are just dramatizing a small issue.

As far as I know it’s not zoonotic so it doesn’t matter if the deer has it or not. People can’t get it as of right now.

@@slugoo6474 Did you know back in the 90s the United Kingdom had a big problem with mad cow disease, a prion disease similar to CWD. To this day anyone who consumed beef in the UK back then can no longer donate blood. CWD is certainly no small issue. In fact, I have stopped hunting whitetail and mulies because of it. In the early stages of CWD, it may not be detectable in the deer you're eating.

@@xrpfreak7881 I lived in Germany and flew through UK back in the early.

@@RadDadisRad I have seen posts from individuals living North America who visited the UK back in the 90s and only consumed a few meals of beef. They're also exempt from giving blood. Naturally, it isn't discussed openly by official sources. I'm sure they don't want to alarm people. I for one will not consume deer again. It's a real shame. Everyone has to make their choice. At the rate CWD is spreading, I don't think it's stoppable.

If you are that scared just get your deer tested like in this video.

Test your deer. Why give up hunting altogether? You’ll be able to keep the meat sometimes, get out in the woods, and help the cause

CWD has been around for over 50+ years. No one has ever gotten sick from eating infected meat

And what has any of the CWD research actually accomplished?

@@ronswanson7422 Does that mean we shouldn't do it?

I'm sure car insurance companies would love to kill all the deer. But the deer hunting would suck lol

Dang a month. So do you just process and freeze the meat hoping it comes back clean? I was hoping they had a quicker turn around time.

I processed, and packed away within a couple days. The turn around was probably closer to a couple weeks. But I do my own processing, with family. So we turn and burn, everything is done before returning to work. Technically if you had the area you could freeze the carcass, but any knife, hook, etc. That touched a CWD positive meat would have to be either tossed or isolated in the future. I'm not sure if even radiation would sterilize.

@@danieljarosz5140 yea fuck that I'll risk it for the biscuit