Is Dante Universal? Excaliber596 Devil May Cry Powerscaling Pt.2 (Redacted) 

I read all of this in king's voice

He is talented but like person is a childish girl

@@izanagitheories6148 yea I know but he doesn't like people to ask him the same questions again and again even when he made it clear

@@drexli7498 Because he's never clear.

@@godfrey4461 he made it clear in the game cuz imagine making a car and then someone asks you if this is a car so stupid right?

@@drexli7498 loll...

SM Gyro HOLD UP, DID THIS MAN JUST SAY THE DEMON WORLD 🌎 IS ITS OWN UNIVERSE! Just making sure you said that!

@@thatguykev8695 is he right doe? is the demon world is its own universe? that doesnt really make much sense

Aditya Fawwazafa It’s actually true idk why I said that I think I was just joking sorry. But yes the Demon realm would be its own universe but I don’t know to much about that so you might wanna look at Zimatorn’s channel to know that

@@thatguykev8695 ahh i see

also wielding yamato which he did in dmc4 it can cut through everything even the fabric of space itself

He's way tougher than that, this dude is just lowballing.

@@matthewjutzen424 if Dante not multi solar system than what he power level universal or multiversal

@@akiharashuguro2141 universal+ he beat Mundus in the first game and Mundus did in fact make a universe

@@matthewjutzen424 oh thanks you 😍

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The Young Family please fucking do

Go ahead, enlighten us

Well I'm at work so I'll try to keep this brief: 1. DMC1: Mundus creating a Universe, at the end of DMC1. 2. DMC1: The mirror world where Mundus's Demons could opperate: Nelo Angelo & The Nobodies. But the omniscient/omnipresent goddess status of time and space. Who can opperate in the Human Universe and Demon Universe in all games. Has no access to. Meaning Mundus created an entire different timeline/Universe. That the statue couldn't access it. And to reiterate no the Mirror World is not Hell/The Demon World. You dont get into hell until after you get through the Mirror World. 3. DMC2: Agrosax the Chaos after getting slightly unsealed not even fully unsealed. His mere presence. Brought the Demon and Human Universes Closer together. 4. It is stated in the Visions of V Manga that Nightmare was so powerful that it could "Lay Waste" to the Demon World/Universe. And Mundus feared he would destroy the demon world. So he bound its power. You can make the argument that Dante never beat Nightmare at full power. But he did at the end of DMC5. Even stating that demon themselves, understand that they stood no chance against him. And then beat them. As they were no longer bound to Mundus or V's conciousness. 5. It is stated that the Demon Tree which Urizen was sitting on created "All of life", in Nicos files. Meaning it created the two universes that the DMC Universe events take place in. And was literally pulling the two Universes together. Now if you ask why it didnt pull the two universes together immediately. It was because it was giving all its power and blood to Urizen/Vergil in his throne and to the fruit itself. 6. The Fruit That Urizen Ate > The Tree that Urizen was getting power From. This is stated by Nico where he breaks the root of the qlipoth tree as it was holding him back. And how when he ate the fruit Urizen became so power that he shook the foundations of the World/Universe. Stated in the Urizen Boss Files. - I don't have too long. So I can't get into all of them. But their is plenty. This doesn't include the weird statements from the DMC2 Light Novel. Which can be argued cannon or non cannon so I dont normally include those. - If yall have facebook I can send yall scans. Direct references to all these feats. But I'll be getting back to work.

The Young Family Thank You for your time with this I appreciate it.

@@theyoungfamily8295 Yes, thank you.

No he's not, no hate I'm not gonna believe that.

@@bryanbrowls4381 why’s that, and where’d you place him??

@@mistaajay3122 Post DMC 5 Base Dante Planetary level and Sin Majin Dante Large star buster.

@The Zoom In which part of DMC 1 that mention Mundus is the creator of the Universe ? It was only said he is the King of the Underworld so it's another inter dimensional not Universe.

@The Zoom Dante beat Mundus in DMC 2 !? Are you sure ?

As a DMC fan who has never heard of those universal+ feats I'm gonna go ahead and ask where you got them

@@BygoneT there’s a DMC fan then there are DMC diehards, I’m assuming you’re not a DMC diehard since you don’t know about all the universal and up feats and I assume you’ve never read the novels

@@wanted_melon2348 I've played the games themselves countless times, 100% in 1-3 and 5 but I have yet to read any novel or anything like that.

@@BygoneT well, this comment is old and Dante actually scales to low multiversal with immeasurable speed, there’s a lot to go over that I don’t want to say here cause it will take too long, imma try and summarize it as best as I can DMC PoC: Pluto - the first demon king, the one who split the demon world and human world and can travel through space and time with speed alone DMC 1: Mundus - created Nightmare who could destroy the entire demon world if not restrained and can support the weight of the demon world. He also is able to merge the demon world and the human world back together and was able to effortlessly create an infinity expanding universe, also defeated Pluto. DMC Anime: defeated the power of Abigail who’s power rivaled that of Mundus DMC 2 Novel: defeated an alternate more powerful version of Mundus in another dimension, this Mundus became the nexus of demonic power in that universe and also turned himself into a living void DMC 2: Argosax the Chaos - him and Mundus were evenly matched and separately ruled one half of the demon world, was also able to alter the space time continuum of the human world with his mere presence. Despair Embodied (Argosax true form) - Far superior to even Void Mundus, DE is referred to as a deity DMC 5: Easily defeated an unrestrained Nightmare, even Griffin stating that they knew they were no match for Dante That’s the best way I can summarize the feats

I have heard that the universe was mis-translation there was a debunk about uni Dante on Quora with an explanation

@@Wishhuhhh no it wasn't

Point is all of those are mess dante vs void mundus whole fight is a blunder just read the novel . My serious question is your attacks are not reaching universe . You're not doing any universe lvl destruction how the f you're universal . And universe crumbles yes does it happen in instant no it's just started crumbling due to instability .

Damn i researched too much Samus Aran and know i wanna know how right i am.

Dante literally makes a black hole and collapses it before it can devour the world in SIN DT. So yes.

Probably, but the only real evidence is in DMC 5 where Dante and Vergil appear to be at an equal power level in their constant duel where neither one can steadily gain the lead over the other. Also in Mission 19, you fight Vergil as Dante to a draw since the battle continued, and only Nero gets a sure win over Vergil in Mission 20, which probably means he's scaled above both of them. Not 100% sure but it's highly likely

Well In SMT nocturne, Dante is Multiversal.

@@HuntertheWraithDragon Yeah but that's Non-canon

@@Shiobana753 It's cannon to SMT though because Nocturne is important to that verse.

@@Shiobana753 Dude the fact that the devs thought that Dante is strong enough to hang with those characters says something. They wouldn't put Batman in an SMT game for example. Btw I can confirm that the devs do think about power scaling in their game design as Itsuno confirmed that his team had reservations about making Nero's breaker arm stronger than his DT bringer in dmc v (damage wise) saying that they thought it didn't make sense story wise. They did it for the sake of game design. So they do consider these things. They put Dante in SMT and thought that he was so strong that he could toy with the main character and never use his DT thoughtout the game. Says something.

@@smgyro1476 Dang that's crazy. I don't remember asking though.

I don't think the DMC2 novel is canon to the rest of the series.

@@Shiobana753 It actually is canon now.

@@RedDusk369 I checked Google about "Is the Devil May Cry 2 Novel Canon" and what showed up was a page on the DMC Wiki that listed it as Questionable, because no information from Capcom has been told regarding it's current standing. Everything else was "Is DMC2 Canon anymore?"

@@RedDusk369 Nevermind, someone sent me a link to an Interview where Matt Walker says "In addition to the games, there are several novels and manga releases released under Devil May Cry and Itsuno personally oversees their writing, so we can consider them canonical." So I guess you were right

@@Shiobana753 Alright, cause I was just about to send you another link. It is on the reddit website. I guess I'll post anyway incase Excalibur ends up seeing this comment and see what he thinks of it. www.reddit.com/r/DevilMayCry/comments/d6yjm8/i_found_the_interview_or_the_novels_manga_are/?

Yes

Well bayonetta has only shown continent or planet level feats

Gizzleuchiha01 it was debatable back then but now she stands no chance

@@flamethedemonwolf9223 what do people think about the in game ton counter? Like when you beat a boss with umbran climax, you get xx kiloton or megaton or gigaton. At the end of the game she pulled INFINITONS and if you mash the button enough you get the BIG BANG BONUS. I wonder if scalers think of that or not, since it's clearly meant to be taken as power fantasy scaling.

@@flamethedemonwolf9223 bayo has shown uni+ feats

@@paulburns7951 it was never debatable

What feats prove that Beowulf has the power of a mini supernova? I see that description as hyperbolic.

@@godfrey4461 I agree. The attack LOOKS like a mini supernova, but seeing as part of the attack is striking the ground, that would mean that the Earth just took a mini supernova to the face and survived, which would make the Human World > dwarf star level, which makes zero sense.

Theodore Hunter gameplay mechanics I guess

A lot of weapons in gaming have hyperbolic descriptions. If it's not acknowledged by the story or any of the characters, then a weapon description is very likely just there to make it sound cool.

Yea I remember reborn

The anime that has so much filler nobody in their right mind would watch? Yeah I too want to see a power scaling

@@rosure7 if you watched the anime with no manga youd like it

Never watched the anime version but according to people anime dante is more powerful

No, the dmc universe was once infinite darkness but then a separate dimension of light grew inside that darkness, becoming the mortal realm, they're both equal (and half of infinity is still infinity). So Mundus creating universes with like a few billion galaxies would still work, given it's in an infinite verse. Argosax merging the realms would be a high tier universal+ feat and Sparda separating them for good would be equivalent. Considering Dante in base is more powerful than Sparda now, means Dante should be in that level of power.

​@@matthewjutzen424a small info about what I understand Demon realm is darkness with nothing inside of it . Then cosmic ray occurs and whole cosmic rays got seprated by Pluto. Earth established inside that zone after that . While in demon realm it's nothing but darkness after that small and big land masses started to form where structure started to built and de.ons started to live (this happens slightly before cosmic ray stuff.

Daniel Villegas the youtoobe channel Seth the programer has a video on Kratos vs mcu Thanos. And in my opinion he explains Kratoses power pritty well. So i highly recomand it.

@@cherechesalexdaniel811 ok thank you.

Daniel Villegas No problem:)

Seth also has a video on how strong kratos is in general but you probably already found it by now

@@jhevgainz2307 Seth?

You can if the concept is similar

How?they literally said that he made by mundus

Below street tier fodder.

​@@langer8656 *multiverse burster tier

gamer king5 I sow a video on the top10 strongest smash characters. It was a mistake i suldent have watched it. At number 1 it had Cirby because thair is a statement that he was infinite power. Witch he dasent he strugled with popnents who have finite power.

@@cherechesalexdaniel811 the video I think it was from Dobbs and Kaleb debunked everyone thinks Kirby is the strongest character in smash and that's not true maybe someone should do a Kirby is the strongest character debunked video

gamer king5 I agree if you ask me Kirby is above star level at least but nowhare nire Mario for example who is galaxcy level.

@@seven3440 Sonic and Bayoneta are a close second.

@@seven3440 of course he does, my point is that Kirby, Sonic and Bayonetta are the 3 most powerful Smash Bros characters in their own Canon universes.

Can't cut nero's sword

The Young Family I’m going to upload the stream to my channel as well. Ze masses shall know ze truf

@@excaliber596 Okay but I feel like it would make more sense to just get straight to the point and show people. What you learned and why. Like Maybe a video to show, The reason your points have change. Like Maybe where Matt Walker confirming that The Light Novels are cannon. This just adds on to the feats for Devil May Cry. The Light Novels are now just supporting evidence to confirm that, the Devil May Cry characters are Universal. Because later I'm pretty sure that Devil May Cry is going to be apart of many more debates. And people are going to reference this current video to many to try and debunk these theories. Not even to realize that your view has changed on alot of these things.

Yeah I’ve never played a Zelda game tbh, but I heard that version of Link being scaled to universal for beating Majora, who created an entire dimension.

@@Oreo_166 Don't get me started on LttP Link or WW Link.

@@Oreo_166 In fact, TP Link is pretty powerful too, since he defeated Zant who created the Zant Hands (indestructible creatures) made to contain the Sols of the Twilight Realm. Which Midna defined a single Sol is like the Sun of Hyrule. Which Zant casually has locked up in separate parts of the Twilight Realm... yet Link defeated him and then bested Ganondorf in Battle, who's a more powerful threat than Zant. Imagine the amount of tops that would be popped off, if FF7 fanboys learned of these feats.

probotboyxxx Interesting

@@Oreo_166 Yeah, who'd ever thought a boy/teen in green would be capable of defeating such impossible odds? But he did.

Oh you again .

His durability should be at least universal or more, because he can take a few hits from the Yamato, and the Yamato cuts through space and time.

Vergil cutting through dimensions just means his sword is above space and time when cutting. Assuming dante can tank attacks from it without much damage then he either has the ability to negate durability negation or he's 4th dimensional+

@@superfox8519 9D

@@Kira22558 i am talking exclusively from that feat. Not the rest of dante's feats

But he’s stronger than Goku💀

@@wanted_melon2348 No he's not

@@mr.hazamayukiterumi2909 he his, especially since he complex multiversal now because of more information but he’s at the very least low multiversal

He solos Goku's entire verse in base 💀

Marvel and DC characters face the same problem. When Thor battles someone somewhere else away from Earth, when he tries to strike someone with Mjolnir, he ends up breaking a planet as a SIDE EFFECT. When he battles someone on Earth, the Earth remains completely intact because of.....logic.

It just shows that how much control Dante and Vergil have over there power.

Every fiction verse has that problem so u can't use that for downplay

Any mega man character is acceptable no one power scales any of these characters

​@@sonicelimario2892 vs battle wiki?

Joshua Hughes I would say he is Moon to planet level at the begining of the series. So in the begining finn skales to or above the ice king. Jake states that he is 10 times stronger than finn. Making Jake (begining) multy planet level. Finn (with the finn sword witch dubles his power and speed) basicly fuses with Jake into the Jake suit. Than Susan strong beats Jake suit Finn. But the gras sword than comes to life and dominates Susan. Fern is phisicly the gras sword with his conciousness being a nother realitys finn so hes as strong as the gras sword. And end of series Finn is around ferns level. Making end of series Finn high multy planet to dwarf star level in my opinion.

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Not bad ideas! 😎

Christ4Life Yeah, I tried to keep it Game vs Game fights, just to mainly fit Excalibers channel

Hellfire Productions Cool! Also, who do you think would win between Game Super Sonic and Base Archie Sonic (Pre-Genesis Wave)?

Christ4Life I think it’s a difficult call. But I’d say Base Archie for greater speed and endurance. Power is identical and mostly have similar abilities.

Hellfire Productions How fast do you think Game Super Sonic is?

Which one?

@@lolstalgic9602 DMC 2 novel

But him saying his take on dmc is pointless kinda kills any claim he makes. Add that with the fact that he's a proven unreliable source.

Godfrey 44 that doesn’t matter, he’s literally the creator, he could say “Dante and Nelo Angelo had a lot of sexual tension” and unless there’s some sort of evidence that he’s just dicking around, we’d have to take his word for it. Like, if we’re talking about DMC3-5, sure he’s an unreliable source since he has nothing to do with those games. But his universal statement was directly answering a question about DMC1, not to mention that when Kamiya is trolling, it’s always pretty obvious. With the Mundus statement, he was just answering the question like a normal person, and he’s done that with other questions as well, this idea that Kamiya is always goofing when he tweets is so aggravating because he ACTUALLY tells you how strong Mundus is but people always use the faulty debunk of “oh he’s known for trolling, since he’s trolled in the past, he’s trolling now. Even though there’s nothing to suggest he’s trolling and he doesn’t always troll, this is still a troll”. It’s like, no, he answered a question. End of story. Whether you wanna put a ton of stock into it or not, it’s up to you, but as it stands, the creator of DMC1 said that Mundus was creating entire universes. Also, I think I’ve heard arguments that prove Dante is low multiversal, I’m not sure though, i haven’t read all the manga/novels.

@@soulmustdie3631 So I guess J.K Rowling is a reliable source of info when she talks about sexual relationships lol. Mundus making a universe is not backed up in lore and there aren't many feats in-universe to prove anyone in DMC is universal.

Godfrey 44 if JK Rowling says “dumbeldore is homosexual”, then he’s homosexual, idk what to tell ya lmao. She wrote the characters, her word about them is gospel regardless of how much people don’t like it.

Please inform about dmc💀

Unless you buy the argument about mumdus=Platonic concept being

@@Kira22558 I did already

​@@Kira22558 i ask some fans

@@tobimadara7539 dante is only 9D Complex multiversal

@@Kira22558 okay thanks

Hate to break it for ya but excalibur actually admitted that he was wrong and now agree with universal dmc

@@drexli7498 i know he did lol

Depends on the version tbh

@@roberto8274 post crisis Superman just one shot Dante since he is high complex multiverse

Archie Sonic took up Goku's fighting formula, that involves fighting and defeating powerful foes... with help. FYI he never defeated Perfect Chaos by himself, like Game Sonic did.

@@porobotboyxxx Maybe bcz Perfect Chaos is way more powerful in Archie? Like... every Sonic Character that debuted in games

@@silvurrrboi230 Whether or not Perfect Chaos was more powerful. Archie Super Sonic still scaled to it just like Game Super Sonic scaled to Game Perfect Chaos. Both Super Sonic(s) were on equal footing with their Perfect Chaos(s) but only one of them was capable of defeating the other by himself... and that was Game Sonic. Thus making Game Sonic more competent than Archie Sonic.

Awesome idea! Also, Excalibur should do Game Super Sonic vs. Archie Base Sonic (Pre-Genesis Wave) as a vs. battle sometime. Both can be considered to universal+ in AP (though Game Super Sonic can be considered to be higher than that).

Bruh Dante solo dbz

No, he fucking, he's a fucking street tier, universal dante got debunk ages ago.

@@azizkalb8721 even as a dmc fan i don't think so. Maybe every character individually.

Dante is only 4D. then again, no one on dbs gets past 4D either.

He ain't touching Angels

Persian Slashuur It’s more about attack potency. It’s why certain characters don’t destroy everything around them like how Goku uses Kamehameha all the time but doesn’t destroy a planet every time he does.

@@excaliber596 Ah, alright. Thanks for the clarification.

Using beyond planet busting attacks in condensed areas when in battle.DC, Marvel, and DBZ have done this too.

@@porobotboyxxx Yeah, I know. I've always just found it a little weird. Thankfully, it just got explained to me, so...yeah.

@@PersianSlashuur Glad that Excalibur596 helped you out then. 😊👍

Hmm one it's because they can control their power you don't see dragon Ball characters destroy planets in their battles heck even vegito vs zamasu barely destroyed the city they were fighting in SMT characters don't destroy the multiverse despite that they showed and stated multiple times that they can do that Also argosax didn't need a portal to fuse cuz literally if opening a portal was the reason the they would have merged long time ago cuz in DMC5 novel before nightmare it stated that dante found many opening portals and that how he escaped from hell because of those portals but it didn't merge anything

Also the the Qulipoth tree is so durable in fact it was urizen armor in the beginning of game before eating the fruit and stop questioning about PIS cuz it's for the sake for the plot like why dragon Ball enemies destroy the planet to get rid of z fighters cuz they can't breathe in space

@@drexli7498 PIS only applies when a character DEMONSTRATES certain capabilities and suddenly "forgets" they can do that. Dante has NEVER demonstrated even planetary level feats, and there are plenty of anti-feats showing he has lesser power. I honestly don't care what lore or plot says a character is capable of, if they don't ever show any feats above a certain level AND they have anti feats that imply they are not that level, then they are not that level. Either the writers are exaggerating to make their characters seem more powerful than they are, or the in game lore source is not reliable. Show me Dante destroying the Demon World, something that he could supposedly do if he was Universal, something he has had numerous chances to do, and something that would be in character for him to do, unless he likes killing demons more than saving human life, which I'm pretty sure is not in character for him. At least in DBZ there was a fight where the combatants were starting to unravel the fabric of reality due to the strength of their attacks. That, and people DO on occasion actually blow up planets. Furthermore, creation feats are meaningless to scale off of. Just because you have the ability to create a universe, doesn't mean you have enough striking power to destroy that universe or the durability to survive that universe being destroyed. There is a reddit thread entitled "Devil May Cry characters are not universe busters - debunking the wank" that explains this in GREAT detail.

@@theodorehunter4765 for one both creation and destruction both required for energy to produce but mainly characters power were meant for destruction and they don't don't know how to create matter and as creation and destruction required energy and ranges to be done which honestly and just cuz one director said or something else doesn't mean he is right cuz they aren't scientists to say things like And their us many feats which I'm gonna list now Mundus created an entire universe effortlessly Pluto the first demon king was able to separate the demon world and human world Sparda also was capable of sealing the entire demon realm by himself He was going to merge both the human world and the demon world which they are both two separated universes Argosax mere existence was distorting space and time across the past, the present and the future And was going also to merge both the human world and the demon world The beastheads without using their full power can reshape all of reality which not only includes the human world and the demon world but also all parallel universes Nightmare have been stated that he is so dangerous and that he can destroy the entire demon realm that's why mundus bound his powers Mundus was capable of creating a dimension were the god of all time and space can't entire or access which means mundus power can defy that god Mundus ate the Qulipoth tree which was responsible for the dmc multiverse creation which explains why mundus can effect multiple universes easily Urizen who even without eating the Qulipoth fruit can was stronger than all of those who I mentioned and when ate the fruit his mere existence shocked all of existence which means all of creation and dante beat them all in his base form(yes dante didn't beat urizen at the beginning but after dante absorbed DSS and rebellion into himself he was capable of defeating him easily) Oh yea dante doesn't give a fuck about humanity and like when Abigail was starting destroying the city and dante didn't give a crap about what he is doing cuz he knows that he can defeat him and that what matters for dante and in DMC2 novel when demons possessed innocent people and dante killed them and didn't care about those people so no Also the reason why they don't destroy anything is because their is attack potency doesn't translate to destructive capacity cuz they focus the attack on the enemy more than the area they are fighting in as they control their power because demons who are bloodlust like nightmare and the beastheads are stated to be threats to everything that exist and that's why mundus bound their powers Then explain to me why vegito and zamasu fight didn't destroy the city cuz I asking about this fight heck vegeta said that he will create an explosion that us powerful enough to even kill him which didn't even destroy the country And so the this debunk in reddit was already been debunked as their are many feats that he exclude and many stuff that he interpreted so no it's 100 % is wrong

@@drexli7498 Mundus only created a universe if you take the words of Kamiya seriously, and if you do, then he has also stated that you shouldn't, so it's not a feat. Mundus could have easily just teleported Dante to another part of Hell or created an illusory backdrop for the fight. I'm not aware of Pluto, but that feat would fall under a creation feat, which has zero bearing on Dante's striking power or durability. Sparda sealed the Demon World with a ritual spell involving the Yamato, his blood, and a human priestess. This does not equate in any way to striking power or durability, and is therefore irrelevant. The human world and Demon world are not confirmed to be universes, as the Japanese word for universe is also the same word for world, and other games have called the human world "Earth" meaning they are planets in separate dimensions, not universes. Again Argosax's feats do not equate to striking power or durability, and are therefore irrelevant. Wasn't familiar with the Beastheads, so I looked them up. They have the power to SEE the past, present, and future, and the ability to show that to someone else, but it will likely cause them to go insane. Nothing about them being able to warp reality, or that such reality warping equates to striking power or durability. I don't recall Nightmare being stated to be THAT powerful, but even if he was, he was sealed when Dante fought him. Not familiar with Mundus' feat where he stops the omniscient deity from being able to see into a dimension, but, as stated earlier this doesn't equate to striking power or durability. (Also, "god" means MANY different things depending on the context of the verse. It could mean anything from "all powerful" to "stronger than the average mortal.") I'm not impressed by the Qliphoth fruit. It was stated to have given Mundus his powers and Mundus was killed by DMC1 Dante. Don't remember anything about the qliphoth fruit shacking all of existence, but seeing as the human world survived that, it couldn't have been any more that planet level. Yeah, Dante killing innocent people in the anime just makes me think that the anime is not canon, or that there was no alternative, i.e., Dante did not have the capability of saving those people. All of your points involve wild speculation about irrelevant feats. I want to see destructive feats. Show me Mundus, Dante, Vergil, or anyone in the DMC verse destroying something larger than a city. Not tainting it with Demonic Energy, or merging/splitting dimensions, ACTUAL destructive feats.

More like cancer. Ppl in the comment section don't know what the hell they're even talking about

​@@mr.hazamayukiterumi2909how?

Skype works too

Zimatorn Id be down at some point. Can’t do it atm, I work at 4am tomorrow.

@@excaliber596 well let me know when you might be free i work off of pacific time zone

@@excaliber596 hit me up when you get a chance

@@zimatorn2462 Ok! I'll hit you up on Twitter tomorrow or something since RU-vid is stupid and doesn't let you message anymore -_- .

Wut?

💀 bro definitely lost humanity

@@Kira22558 wdym?

@@MrCraftyScales you Said kaguya is 4D..

@@Kira22558 ya and she does

@@MrCraftyScales 💀 you must be kidding ..

Nah

Uh we’re talking about devil may cry not touhou

Also Dante beats yukari its multiversal+ Dante vs universal yukari Dante wins

bruh i she can alter fate

@@Grim340 dante is just low multiverse

@@fuckingking6796 and Dante scales to mundus who’s much more stronger than the omniscient god of time which is atleast 4d so yeah Dante is multi+ and also if Dante can defeat mundus and agrosax then he should have no trouble fighting yukari

Ominversal is. Pure wanker The dude is just low complex multiverse only

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I don't know. Kratos is like High Multiversal with infinite speed.

@@vergil2067 no he’s not, he’s universal and is at most FTL to low MFTL while Dante is universal+ with MFTL+ to infinite speed and he has feats for that

@@wanted_melon2348 Maybe Kratos at the beginning of GoW2.

@@vergil2067 no, current Kratos

@@wanted_melon2348 GoW4 Kratos is easily Low Multiversal. Kratos with the power of hope scales above even higher.

Feats?

@@Kira22558 demons in dmc are metaphysical and dante has killedt thousands making him outer Killed concept of nightmares (nightmare) (1 layer) Mundus is above the platonic concept and the being who created Nightmare, And fought Dante, Nearly destroying the underworld while creating infinite concepts (2 layer) Agrozaz , is the concept of beaty , making him transdual, dante killed him easily with a pistol which means dmc2 dante was above agrozaz and Mundus (2 layer and transdual) Dante was defeated by Urizen in the beginning of DMC5 Making Urizen stronger than those 3, making him 3 layers into outer (this was before devil trigger dante) . after he gets his devil trigger dante beats Urizen (4 layers) dante solos

@@NemYagami metaphysical without context won't make you outer Also demons souls are 9D not metaphysical

@@NemYagami 1mundus isn't above Platonic concepts He is merely embodiment of void 2: created infinite concepts ≠ above concepts of dimensions

@@NemYagami not all Platonic concepts give outer Concepts such love void hater won't give you scale

@Joshua Hughes One of Dante's moves in SDT, Demolition, is basically a collapsing black hole.

Yeah I agree

The lore says something else

I agree, maybe universal, but planetary is more in that range. Yeah imma go with planetary.

@Astolfo Loquendo 23 Doesn't seem like it.

Dante fought Urizen who created his own universe to fight Dante, while he was using his dads Devil Trigger form and beats him, having fought Argosax some years later and single handedly while being bored the whole time which was the only fight that gave him amusement after having crippling depression(no joke "killing" your brother will do that to you), then he fought Urizen the demon half of his older brother whichs is a lot stronger than the demon kings he have fought in the past and defeats them after unlocking his sdt which has the capabilities to open up black holes. yes planet level I agree

@@gamechanger8908 We don't know for sure if Urizen actually created a universe it could've been an illusion, as for Argosax while yes Dante did defeated him however he did it in the Demon World which in that world demons are far more powerful (that also applies to his fight with Urizen and Mundus as well), oh and as for his creating "black holes" powers in his SDT form those "black holes" are nowhere near as powerful as actual black holes they are only for sucking enemies it doesn't suck entire worlds let alone stars.

there is not.

MYGOD but there actual is, you just don’t know the verse and don’t know their feats

@@wanted_melon2348 i actually do know the verse as I've been playing DMC since 2005-2019. I think i at least know enough to properly know and determine that they are not destroying a planet because that not how it works, sure you can say they have the Attack Potency but again it goes back to my question...Vergil who is Dantes equal if not stronger than him has clashed with Rocket launchers and it didn't instantly bisect it. If he was truly that powerful or anywhere near that he would be able to instantly do that. Granted he was worn down and it was stated that he was worn down but come on let use common sense...even if we say he was down to 10% of his power or less he should be more than capable of doing that.

your universe feat you are talking about is the beasthead which is said to be a space-time or whatever. even if we accept that, that actually only 1 Universe feat...Not multiple. you next Argument would be about the Savior from DMC 4 having multiple universes inside of it...too that I say that's not quantifiable because we don't know how big those dimension is. as the content creator said If the universe of DMC was that high and the battle was suppose to be on that scale why haven't said battle reach pass the earth? I may not have been playing when the series first stated in like 2000-2001 but that doesn't mean i don't know just as much since there is only a 4 year difference from when the game first started and when i first started playing the games.

MYGOD being wore down does not debunk your false notion, sorry.