13:05 Thank you David, people are allowed to be offended! Geez I like Chappelle, but I feel like people worship him too much, he's not above approach. Reading some of the comments here and even the way the other cohosts spoke about Chappelle, it's like he's some sacred comedy god. Like, relax. He's very good at what he does, but through criticism and even outrage, he can become better and maybe find ways to tell jokes about sensitive topics that can get more people laughing, even if its at their expense.
He was comparing the casual racism that black people experience on a daily basis where as people quickly take up arms for the trans community. That whole part was missed. SO when the protesters were like "Our people are dying." Yea well so are ours. Let's stop it together. That is what he was trying to say. but that was missed. All anyone "heard" were trans jokes. Its a true and honest commentary about race and what is and is not allowed. He doesn't need to be better or change anything he is saying. People need to listen and not just pick at it.
His special was really good, funny, and insightful but not exactly as sidesplittingly hilarious as others have proclaimed. it's a lot of that super amped up, hyped up Joe Rogan style bruh comedy. Sometimes I'm in the mood for that, and I also could see how that style can be taken out of context at times too, for those not on that wavelength.
Omfgggggggg okay, okay. So I am trans and part of the LGBTQ community. From my understanding of the special, he was not transphobic. And I just love how he rode the line of a serious talk and comedy. It was gold. Edit: That's all I wanted to say before some CIS people start thinking they need to be offended when I (as someone who is trans) is not offended at all.
I saw this special and I just thought, we need more people like Dave. Maybe because of the years I spent watching some of his specials and the Chapelle Show with my brothers, you get a sense of the type of person he is. Yes, he may deliver things in a way a comedian would, but he still gets to the point and addresses what needs to be addressed. I'm not part of the trans community, so my say will probably mean nothing. However, I support them as I have a dear friend part of the community. I think he made himself clear in this special, so I hope things will be okay after this. That possibly there will be an understanding. I was heartbroken about the story of his friend, but for him to lift her up was heartwarming. I dont think Dave should be changing anything. There's a reason he's consider the GOAT in this field after all these years.
John Cleese said, "Comedy requires the momentary anesthetic of the heart." In other words, sometimes the need to laugh outweighs the need to be offended in order to pull attention. Dave isn't transphobic, he's a comedian. At this point people use offense as a way of gaining attention, a soap box, and/or a way to prove to others how "woke" they are.
All I got from that special was that he said you can be born man female or gay anything else is by choice that wasn't transphobic or how a black man can kill another black man and not get canceled but say something inaccurate about the LGBTQ and get canceled, he talked about having a transgender friend that killed herself because of the LGBTQ saying things about her supporting him and how that couldn't cancel them for saying hateful things or how LGBTQ member can say something and if you were speak on it you were automatically labeled transphobic . If people listened behind the laughs and jokes most comedian talk about real world or personal problems and he was just drawing comparisons to the black community and the LGBTQ community how progressive they are and how many people support them but it doesn't go the same way for his community. he understands at the root core they are fighting for the same thing there rights and to be heard.
It doesn’t matter “what was said”. We are living in Post-Truth, where offensive Truth is dismissed as false. Hopefully, more people denounce Post-Truth, and advocate accepting objective reality.
@@Americansikkunt dang that was really insightful bro but emotions will always cloud a persons mind when faced with the truth. It's just human nature unless you were taught to think before you do and never let your emotions get the best of you.
@@kappa_feel In the court-of-law, only objective reality is matters. The facts. Sure, people feel emotions, but that doesn’t change the fact that 2+2=4, or the fact that Individuals are responsible for their own actions. How someone “felt” about X event is irrelevant to the Objective Reality....Like, a joke is a joke, no matter what. It doesn’t matter if NOBODY finds it funny, it’s still a joke. It doesn’t matter if people find it offensive, it doesn’t change the reality. Sadly, we really are in a war of Subjective vs Objective reality, so I happen to be very passionate about this loss-of-Objectivity.... Canada criminally persecutes people for offending others, justified by their mis-use of pronouns. That is anti-Freedom, anti-American, doesn’t help the “victim”, and creates a culture-of-censorship and coddling. I refuse to sacrifice Free Speech, Objective Truth, and American values, to “protect the feelings of the few”.
@@kappa_feel “think before you do” is a very common life-lesson. You say that, as if it is rare.... Every Individual is responsible for their own actions, even when “clouded by their emotions”, as you say.
I need to watch the special to form a complete opinion on this, but I also think we should see what trans people have said about it. I don't know, it's just weird to see a lot of people who don't know trans issues say what is or isn't transphobic. If trans people are cool with it then 🤷🏾. Also "I have a trans friend so I can't be transphobic" is the same exact energy as "I have black friends, I can't be racist."
That wasn't his point when he brought up his friend. It wasn't "I have a trans friend" it was more like " I had a friend who happened to be trans" and all that was brought up not only in memoriam of Daphne but also to highlight the bully nature of the woke mobs.
@@user-kk2dw1eh5q I was more referring to people bringing up that Dave said he has a "trans friend" as if that's not the most overused argument by people who don't want to look at their negative biases. I have to look more into Daphne's case because I heard he said something along the lines of the "trans community killed my friend" but ignoring how common-place transphobia is. Like I said, I have to watch the special to form a complete opinion on this because I'm just going based on what I've heard. i also heard he misgendered her? These are just "up in the air" thoughts, not anything concrete yet.
This! I have no idea what the trans experience is like so it’s hard to speak on it. I love Dave but it’s interesting to see everyone gang up against trans community and call the sensitive.
Well he technically is right. If he has a trans friend then he doesn’t have an irrational fear of them, I doubt he considers them second class citizens either
3:10 Someone stole our garage door opener yesterday, so we have to physically lock the garage until we change the opener. I watch way too much true crime, so part of me was thought, "if it came down to it, would I have to fight someone or would I be able to? Would I need to throw knives?"
I wonder if the people trying to cancel him are actually trans people or people that are familiar with trans issues... or if it's a bunch of losers on Twitter. At the same time, are the people defending familiar with trans issues, or are they just Dave Chappelle-biased? If he said transphobic things, as a fan, it's OK to criticize him. Doesn't mean you're not a fan or you no longer find him funny. It is possible to make jokes about trans people without tearing them down or make jokes that don't enable transphobic people. I'm not the biggest fan of Dave Chappelle, but I hope it's Twitter losers. 13:08- 💯%
I love Dave but I feel like there are good points being brought up. “I have a trans friend so I can’t he transphobic” is the same thing as white people saying “I have a black friend so I can’t be racist”. Dave is one of my favorite comedians and I think the issue is that his comedy has always been a social commentary with a lot of truth, so people take it that way. He really has made great points but identifying as a TERF is gonna open up a gate for many people to identify as that, when it’s harmful to trans people. I don’t think cancelling Dave is possible or a solution, I think he just needs to have a real convo with the trans community. Edit: I appreciate these open discussions, big fan!
I completely agree, there's no way we're going to cancel Dave Chappelle , mainly because cancel culture isn't real !! However you need to be held accountable when you're spreading a hateful narrative. The outrage and protest is about trans people being treated unfair, it's shifted to rights and protection.
It is saddening to know this.... Especially when they were recalling their experience at the restaurant in Hawaii. He said, “They treated the table of white People ok, but they were really nice to us! It was awesome!” Like, they’re reveling in being treated superior....Makes me wonder, do people really want Equality? Or do they want to be better-than?
The people trying to cancel Dave are proving his point. They’re complete hypocrites. They don’t want to be treated as equals-they want to be treated as if they’re special. Everything is fair game-except don’t talk about my group? Lol
I love Dave Chappelle but isn't that what Dave did? He completely excluded Trans black people from his talking points, as if they don't exist. Most of the people who are murdered in the trans community are black trans women whose killers are mostly black men. And When Dave said he doesn't know what punching down was that's bullshit. He was for sure punching down. Dave is one of the most successful comedians of all time yet he used his power and status to attack those black trans people who have historically fought for the rights of black men/people more than black men themselves. Another point, Dave Chappelle isn't going to be canceled. "Cancel Culture" doesn't exist. This whole cancel culture rhetoric is just fuled by people his age, who know nothing about how the internet really works. It's their boogeyman. But when you actually check in the closet, nothing is really there and it was all exagurated by their minds
@@tierk4328 people who say cancelk culture doesnt exist are willfully ignoring it. It 100% exists with people actively attempting it. Hashtags literally named "Cancel X". As soon as someone says something that doesnt fit certain groups opinions people go for their jobs. "What kind of company could hire someone which such disagreeable opinions to my personal sensibilities. Im not going to use your products until you fire them and anybody who continues to do so is a bigot etc". That isnt rare to see commonly on social media over the last few years. I'm a "minority" and i hear comedians make plenty of jokes at my expense. Some are funny and some arent in my opinion but I respect their right to say what they want
@@jadowarcadia6227 ok, who has been cancelled? Who has actually been cancelled? Kevin Spacey, Harvey Weinstein, neither of them have seen the inside of a cell and Spaceys still acting. Cancel Culture does not exist my friend
@@tierk4328 fully agree. It doesn’t exist when you don’t let idiots make it exist. You don’t like something, tune out. Easy. People that don’t let it happen won’t be effected therefore it doesn’t truly exist.
@@tierk4328 Cancel culture doesnt mean these people will suddenly cease to exist. Kevin Spaceys career has clearly been derailed. He went from a top rated TV show to nothing anybody has heard of. Also Weinstein is literally in jail right now. Actually they've taken him out of jail to charge him for more stuff. But either way both of these people literally comitted sex crimes. Thats just justice, not cancel culture. So neither of them are good examples
if we are gonna cancel comedy like that, might as well we go back to voice less comedy. like someone walking and tripping over a banana. something basic like that but hey i guess even that might offend people right now
Biggest thing I agree with is: There are no rules to comedy. Some dumbass came up with the idea that you "can't punch down". They're entertainers at the end of the day, it is not a right for you to be entertained... Don't like it? Can watch something else
I watched the special after listening to this. Sure, some of the jokes might be distasteful to certain people but there was nothing shocking or violence-inciting. What's the deal with people? Live, laugh and love
The irony of it all is that he made the point that there’s more outrage when you “hurt a gay person’s feelings” than when some truly egregious shit happens. In the special, he made jokes about child molestation, police brutality, beating and hating women, the Me Too movement, and yet all the outrage is about the jokes about transgender people…At some point, you have to learn to laugh at yourself. I’m a black woman myself…do you know how exhausted I’d be if I got offended by every joke or stereotype about black women? You have to find the humor in life or it’ll drive you crazy. People in general nowadays are overly sensitive. Everybody trying to be “woke” and policing everybody else’s political correctness. Everyone wants to be the victim. I miss the days when comedy was just comedy and people could take jokes.
The comedian you guys were talking about his name is Nimesh Patel. It's crazy that people to me that people can hear that joke he did about black and gay people and think he was punching down or being offensive. That got me thinking about how people look at comedy. Personally I think that people that get offended by the mere mention of race or sexuality is not just that they're uncomfortable with those topics. But the way that these people see comedy is making fun of others or "punching down" because thats the only version of comedy they see. So you can have a joke as good as Nimesh's but still be be labeled a racist and homophobic. Because they aren't looking at the content. They literally think that comedy = making fun of people. So comedy about race and sex = making fun of people of color and sexuality.
I think people are turning a blind eye to what I've seen is considered the real problem. Trans people aren't mad people are making jokes about their community period, it's the type of jokes that is the problem. There's a great FD Signifier vid on this but long story short it feels very much like Dave is making being trans the whole joke. There's nothing insightful or nuanced about it. He's basically one of the best modern day philosophers imo but he isn't perfect. And dismissing his faults as people being butthurt about being made fun of at all is dangerous.
I watched that video and loved it for how insightful was, I actually watched it before I saw the special. I felt like FD did a great job providing a lot of context.
Hmm I have yet to see the special. I do feel like at times people view comedy as reciprocation of something via humor. (which it can be). and what that something is, may or may not be what was intended or what the viewer/listener thought it was. and some people take the stance of the comic is not responsible for that. while others take the stance of the comic is responsible for any and all reciprocation intentional or not. (even if they have varied stances on each item compartmentalized/ non compartmentalized).
I am not sure if its mentioned. but I am on the part where they talk about the Indian-American Comedian. The Comedian is Nimesh Patel. Hilarious. His set at the college is on youtube.
I would like to refute the Dave Chappelle special for two reasons 1. Comedy may be in the eye of the beholder and we should know the lines but Dave has crossed them repeatedly by referring to birth gender and with the line about his Trans friend daughter. A lot of Trans people are attacked by calling them their birth gender out if jest the same way other minorities have been treated as being dumber than white people for decades. 2. He mentions J.K. Rowling to get deep into his opinion and defense of himself against the Trans community and defends her too. J. K. Rowling goes out of her way to attack and deny Trans people with no provocation. J. K. Rowling made a new pen name and released a book exclusively to attack Trans people Bonus 3rd reason. This is the third comedy special where Dave has made a big deal of Trans people during the special and every special has included more Trans jokes. Either he has a problem with the Trans community or he ran out of material
My theory, though i think to some people it may be obvious. Is that social media mostly twitter, will undo freedom of opinion. To me it's not that people will be successful at canceling you and shutting anyone they want down. It'd follow along the lines of the opposite, which is make EVERYONE's opinion mean nothing and therefore your value as a human being will decrease.
Bill burr once said in a podcast with Russell brand, to paraphrase, “how do YOU know what I meant more than I know what I meant? To people who say, “I think you meant this by your joke and it made me feel offended”.
40:30 People having their token racial minority friend gives me the same energy as people who say "I'm such a good person" or "I'm just too good of a person" 🤢🤮
43:20 I don't remember what News network it was and I'm blanking on the host, but there is a video of Ben getting interviewed by them. Unfortunately for Shabibo, he was against people that actually knew what they were talking about. It was funny seeing him get visibly angry because he wasn't debating 1st year college students. It was the same with that "Change my View" guy. He'll debate a bunch of 20-year-old, but as soon as Sam Seder or someone who is really into politics and debating challenges him, he runs LOL. I was watching a live stream where he literally turned off his camera because he "wasn't ready" or was "caught off guard" or whatever his excuse was. Just say you got intimidated, my guy.
My high level thoughts: this podcast has the best conversations and vibe among any other podcast. This trio, especially, it's "chef's kiss". Stupendous.
Re: Chappelle and Transphobia , a good RU-vid comment: "Contrast Chappelle's reaction and those of comedians like him with Dara O'Briain's response when he was called out for making a homophobic joke. He worked a whole bit into his next routine about the need for comedy to change with the times, with himself--and the raving homophobes who sent him "letters of support" he most definitely didn't want--as the butt of the joke. Then ended by comparing the whole thing to his own life experience. "I'm Irish and there's no one who's better benefitted from a good dose of political correctness than the Irish. Remember all those jokes about how stupid we were? And then a memo went around sometime in the 80s saying 'oh we're not doing jokes about the Irish anymore' and you all just stopped? Thanks. A bit late, if you don't mind my saying so, but thanks. Because we didn't really enjoy that" The comment was pulled from this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jiJQV378F5A.html
(From a trans woman's POV) While some jokes in the special did admittedly make me laugh, particularly the one about the lesbian he fought. And I think his comedy is funny. I personally thought that Chapelle was sounding like an angry annoying boomer in the last bit. And then using a trans woman he knew as a shield just so he can try to get a pass. He and Bill Maher have a similar issue of making amazing points and jokes on one hand. Then on the other, ranting about shit they know little to nothing about. And just sounding condescending or annoying. I'm not asking for special treatment or to be treated more delicately than others. What I'm asking is for some people to know there's a difference, between being funny and making good points. And just attacking someone. Because I've began to spot a pattern in his specials of almost exclusively attacking the LGBT+ community more than other communities or groups. Sometimes it was funny, other times he just sounds stupid.
I think people can still have an opinion..some people will be offended by Dave's special and some people won't.. but we still shouldn't discredit trans people since we (CIS people) can not know their experience... i think people should be more open minded.. thats just MY opinion..
Thank god my friend isnt white when we went to Hawaii because the people there could be mean until they realized I was with her lol but tbh it’s what we deserve from what we did to Hawaii. Although I know I’m not wanted I love it there and wanna go back
Where was the rage when Chappelle slanted his eyes and pulled off an exaggerated Asian accent?!?! Two answers! 1) There are people like me who aren't that petty. 2) There are people who are riding on this machine that works on SELECTIVE OUTRAGE. Like.... wtF?!
People have always been soft, boomers have been trying to cancel kid shows and books for decades now. The whole Harry Potter is evil shit wasn't that long ago. Now boomers and millennials are trying to get The Owl House banned. There's no "New generation is soft!", every gen has been doing the same sh*t just with different content and media. Also, it depends on the jokes that are being made. Some Jokes Can Last A Lifetime but others just weren't good in the first place. Basically it's "It wasn't good back then either, but people did it because it was more acceptable" conversation.
just put on the dave special first 5 min i was like 😮 i feel like he's very brave this time around but it's still hilarious i know it's all for comedy he's a very humble man he doesn't mean these things i think
I don't think Dave Chappelle is being cancelled; I think he's been invited to a conversation by trans and non-binary folks and he isn't being receptive to their concerns about his rhetoric. I appreciate the nuanced convo here, but also recognize it's a convo between three cis-het men, so I'm taking the lead from the trans community directly affected - especially those working at Netflix who held a walkout yesterday led by Black trans women. By firing their trans Employee Resource Group (ERG) leader instead of working with the ERG to improve within the org itself, Netflix is showing its lack of dedication to equitable and inclusive working conditions. I don't care for idolizing celebs; I want trans and non-binary staff to be prioritized and feel safe at work. Stigmatizing language will lead to danger and death for trans & nonbinary people, and by working directly with/hiring trans staff, Netflix can do better & learn.
@@jaydriel2957 or you can learn to be more empathetic to the trans & nonbinary staff at Netflix having to endure this traumatizing experience right now
The fact that Dave is courageous in the sense of making jokes on topics that are favored and "touchy" makes me believe in stand up comedy. I grew up listening and watching stand up comedy for the way comedians were able to navigate and talk about any subject with a humorous manner. I loved his stand up special and the 3 prior.
I started watching this podcast sometime last year after covid started when it was just David and that one other guy. I gotta say... i know that these 2 other guys are the "originals" but to me they are "new faces", but having these 2 on the show changed the vibe for me and to be honest its not as enjoyable. The chemistry with David and that other guy felt much better. I kinda stopped watching this podcast after a few episodes when these 2 guys came back.... i just started watching it again today and its probably gonna be the last time i watch it if the other guy doesnt come back.
I just thought Dave’s set wasn’t particularly unique. The jokes were funny but were definitely used. Like I’ve heard this joke before, not in the exactly said the same, but it’s not new. Then I’ve heard them from bigoted and “phobic” type people. To see him echo that same rhetoric, proclaim to be a Terf, and have a token trans friend is so weird. If he was trying to shed light on the community, he could’ve done more and said other things in reference to the community. Like go to a Ball, a parade, a drag show, and then cast a joke or two that don’t sound so out of touch.
I watched Chappelle live once, flippin amazing. Anyway, Chappelle dedicated his final quarter to his Trans friend Daphne who killed herself after her own community harassed (bullied) her. They don't care about her, and they won't compete with their own entertainment or jokes. Chappelle makes fun of everyone but he's harder on himself, calling himself a Terfs like when he called himself racist, or premature ejaculator. Believe it or not Spongebob had an episode that was more mature about comedy than Chappelle's haters
People do not get the message from Dave; EMPATHY. People take so much of his joke at face value; they lose the perspective of the message. Most jokes have a message; seems like people didn't get it.
tbh I didn't like the special. I don't wnna cancel him or anything, but alot of his jokes about trans people are pretty surface level and gives the same vibes as your boomer uncle complaining about "them trans" when hes drunk. The reason I like alot of dave chapelles work is because he displays meaningful understanding of the subject he often jokes about and he does it masterfully. But this special was boring and reminded me of jokes steven crowder or ben shapiro often make. Saying shit like "Gender is a fact" and acting like its something revolutionary is corny imo. Like does he think trans people don't beleive in biological sex? Also he completely misrepresented what JK rowling said and what Terfs really are. Again I'm not mad about all those things I mentioned, and I don't wnna cancel him. But his jokes fall really flat to those who have an understanding of the discourse about trans people, so my big takeaway is that I was super dissapointed. It didn't seem like a well thought out special and was mostly a cash grab.
Haha you're not alone. It felt more like a conversation with a funny friend than a comedy special. Like I laughed at some parts but it wasn't that funny to me.
@새벽 jokes are subjective.Did I find that particular joke funny that he got in trouble for? No. But I don't think it should've blacklisted him from anything not stand up.
@새벽 it was on a comedy podcast where he told the joke, and the n word joke you just made is just hilariously unrealistic, like thats not the type of comedy im talking about obviously. And I agree you shouldnt make inappropriate jokes at your non comedy club job, because its not a comedy club, so bad example.
@새벽 Obviously if people just go Michael Richards N Word on the stage, then they maybe might be a racist lol, but that rarely happens that kind of blatant racism in comedy.
@새벽 of course i have here you go overreacting to what i said lol. Like i said he was joking not actually serious, regardless of it not being funny it should not have made him lose SNL lmfao. Someone casually saying the n word is clear cut racist shit. Saying a racist joke that isn't meant to hurt anyone personally(even Shane says this and does an exaggerated voice in the clip), isn't flatout racist like you say
