What's special about discord, all I found on there were people doing open lobbys which you can find in game. And time specific closed lobbys with times that don't work for me.
I don't know man, I think "dead" is something that you decide for yourself. The game was dead to me when I couldn't get matches anymore. I still really wanted to play, but there wasn't a great way for me to find players of my own skill level. I can go in discords and find players grinding the game, or maybe find someone playing super casually, but neither of those are a fun match for me. As far as I'm concerned, the game died once, and all I can hope for is that the DLC brings it back to life for a while (hopefully a long while).
This is a fair point, and its part of why I worded battlerite being dead the way I did. Being dead is subjective to how involved you want to be within the community. There is probably an argument to be made that battlerite is not completely dead and that I could get games if I really wanted to find them. But to me, with the level of involvement I am willing to put in, the game is dead to me because I cannot find games. If you are someone who wasn't playing at the beginning and isn't involved enough to find games outside of matchmaking I understand the game being dead to you.
@@flowchartk3n I actually got it at launch, but yeah when the game lost most of its players two months in, I wasn't motivated enough to look for games outside of matchmaking. The developers basically ignoring the game post launch didn't help either to be honest.
I'm not about to go to discord to hunt for matches, I just wanna be matched with someone at or slightly above my skill level, the the game can't do that it is dead.
I usually don't make statements so blunt but for me... I'm sorry but if I can't jump on the game, hit "find match", and expect a match within 2-5 minutes at most times of the day I'm just gonna pass on the game. I just don't like using discord or other places like that to find matches. Hell I don't even wanna play with friends a lot of the time. I just prefer using lobbies or matchmaking. There's something about consistency that's extremely important for me. Sometimes I just need to jump on a fighting game to get away from shit and I really prefer to have the confidence in the game to be able to do that when I need to
I replied about this on another comment TL;DR: you are correct and it is subjective "This is a fair point, and its part of why I worded battlerite being dead the way I did. Being dead is subjective to how involved you want to be within the community. There is probably an argument to be made that battlerite is not completely dead and that I could get games if I really wanted to find them. But to me, with the level of involvement I am willing to put in, the game is dead to me because I cannot find games. If you are someone who wasn't playing at the beginning and isn't involved enough to find games outside of matchmaking I understand the game being dead to you."
@@flowchartk3n definitely it's always subjective. I'm very specific about not using the word "dead game" unless I'm meming or something because I honestly never see it used in good faith in these contexts. It can be dead to you but I generally feel that phrasing isn't very helpful and has more or less lost it's meaning. Especially when I see people saying it about games that have over 1000 players
@@azumashinobi1559 yeah its completely lost its meaning at this point. People have been calling OW and lol unironically dead for years. Its not something I throw around either, but to me its just if I cant play the game based on the level of effort I am willing to put into it. I am fairly active in the DNF community so its extremely low effort for me to use discord to find games. To someone else, this would be a barrier to entry. So if that makes the game dead to them, its a fair criticism. Either way DNF is still getting dev and has money behind it, so fingers crossed in a month or two ranked is less dead.
Its just really not fun to get juggled to death (with NO air tech...) because you got hit by a lagfree +on block full screen move which is probably also invincible
@CasClips129 half screen moves ruin footsies. If you want crazy offense, you gotta have the defense to back it up. DNF's movement is garbage walking is slow and running (somehow) feels even slower. The jumps are floaty and defensive options are barebones at best. For this game to see even a 1% chance of a comeback they need to rework the movement system. Make everyone's walk and run speed faster, add pushblock, lower guard gauge damage, and shorten the attack range a bit.
@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 If you'd known and seen the new stuff you'd know that's being worked on. I already know about the walk speed, but I've played fighters with slow walk speeds, it just takes time and patience (which in the long run helps be better at a fighting game when you understand how to breakdown an opponent). Like the dodge button does help you get in because you LITERALLY phase through attacks... something no other fighting game kinda has (if there are some you know name them..).
@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 Also shorten attack range? I literally mentioned a game that has beam specials. Leave the attack range, I don't care about about that. The ENTIRE roster can do it. 😂 If MVC has it why cant this game? I always here this "range" argument for this game but yall let it slide for other games. If you can't react in time... how is this the games fault? UI goku, Jiren, Janemba Dr doom, Deadpool, and many others have a button that does a long range attack. Your comment sounds like a big skill issue argument here bro. Don't add push block, where there is no need. There is a mechanic that's being added that helps you keep guard gauge already (it's being implemented). How does a half screen move ruin footsies when the way to get in is a frame invincible dash option...
The Can Openers and TNS events for DNF more than anything else defined my twitch viewing experience in 2022 and are probably what pushed me over the edge to get back into fighting games. I'm extremely hopeful to see that again this summer. If not, there's Huebert, who should be an honorary crusader as the patron saint of DNF, and we can all keep watching his tourneys weekly til the internet goes dark.
Just to comment on the DnF dlc/pass- I really really like DNF, it would be my main game still if I could get ranked matches... but I gotta admit it's gonna have to be a pretty sweet price point for me to invest more $$ into with sf6 being so good and gbvsr coming too
@@flowchartk3n it would definitely help with population to reduce the base price but I think for a lot of us that have been playing since launch or beta asking for more cash after a year of so little support will be tough
it's easy to argue a game isn't dead when you redefine "dead" as "a game with literally zero players on the planet" unfortunately redefining a term for the sake of an argument doesn't change the fact that you have to turn rocks to find players, so by any reasonable definition the game is kinda dead. take solace in the fact that the new character will revive it for a week. maybe.
It doesn't have a specific definition but most reasonable people kind of logically conclude what is infered by "dead game". Your "subjective crowning" of the word means nothing but coping that the game you fanboy over stops being dead (which it wont). It's also pathetic that you give OP attitude just because he voices his opinion because you felt personally attacked over somebody clowning on a badly designed game. Play better fighting games.
Comparing DNF duel to Third Strike is the most stupid thing I have heard in my life. Do you think there is a small chance that 20 years in the future DNF Duel will be played anywhere in tje world? Third Strike is on Switch because it is a popular and iconic game.
Video was a whole nothing burger. Your argument is a technicality. If you can't fijnd matches in normal public queue, its dead. If you need to go outside the game to find matches, its dead. if the game no longer has official servers. its dead. Plain and simple. using your logic some random obscure anime fighting game from 30 years ago isn't "dead" if you and one other person link up to play it. Or O.G. Halo demo isn't "dead" b/c its p2p matching so you just need 2 people. The steam charts is an accurate example since that just shows how many people have LAUNCHED the game. that means there are 24 people in your example that are doing some private duels, playing story etc etc. you ignored the fact that steam charts don't just count multiplayer people. all steam charts does is ping how many people have the game launched at X time. i.e. there are 24 people who have bothered to launch and play the game. Another example would be dark souls. pvp isn't "dead" ijn the sense that there are still weekly tournaments hosted by the community, but it is dead in the sense that a normal player playing the game will never see a pvp invasion randomly like they would at launch, they would need to actively go out of there way to find it.
I feel like people spend most of there time looking and refreshing steam charts for games more often then they actually play the games. I didn't even know what a steam chart was until people kept posting them everywhere.
its a valuable metric for a lot of genres. If I am going to buy a BR game, I should probably make sure it has the playerbase to sustain multiple 100 person lobbies. I just don't think its a valuable metric for fighting games.
@@flowchartk3nr UNICLR peaked at like 900+ players and at one point our entire lobby was 12% of the players active at the time but I can still hit people up with matches in my region regardless of skill level and thats more than what I can say compared to most games
I mean... It is dead. It always feels like a cope when FGC people try to use the "technically you only need one person" argument. Regions, timezones etc are a thing, and finding someone at your skill level AND at decent ping in a reasonable amount of time when the game has 20 active players just seems unrealistic. And no I'm not trying to hate on the game, quite the opposite in fact, I am literally hovering over the game on steam and was looking for someone to convince me it was worth picking up.
@@flowchartk3n They just need to spend money on marketing. Issue so many fighting games have outside of the big 3 is nobody has heard of them. Fantastic games just die on the vine.
I cannot tell you how destroyed I was when all the battlerite royale shit was going down, it was so clear it was going to kill the game. Completely stopping development on your thriving game to chase a shitty trend, and then to actually charge separately for that game was such an insane choice.
They should make a big investment in a marketing campaing to capture the overflow of brand new fighting players that will inevitably follow the first months of SF6. "Keep your eyes open and expand yor skills! Try DNF Duel!" "Faster and Deadlier! Try DNF Duel" "Be the first among your friends!" Etc. I'm sure this game can be totally resurrected just by injecting enough money and taking advantage of the current bright state of the fighting market.
idk about totally but injecting money would certainly help and if there is one thing nexon has it is more money than sense. They don't seem to want to for whatever reason, they want to do as little as possible to keep the game alive
I think absence of single player content is what hurts FGs the most. Getting stomped online is not fun and usually game doesn't offer anything else. Where's my tekken volleyball, survival mode, time attacks, MoM and so on? With years there have to be more and more modes, but we're getting fewer and fewer
People focusing solely on steam charts are using the wrong numbers. There are other indicators that show signs of life within the community, and it baffles me any time someone tries to use steam chart numbers as evidence against that. They are effectively denying the experiences of the entire DNF community over the last year.
I think steam charts are a really good indicator of whether or not you'll be able to find matches. Most people don't want to hop into a discord server for the chance of playing against someone even close to their own skill level. The DNF community may be alive, but that doesn't mean the average person wants that experience.
@@JaxvexI think the point is people want to jump on and queue up for a match. A lot of people don't like needing to talk to randoms to find matches elsewhere regardless of if it's discord or somewhere else
@azumashinobi1559 that's not the fault of the community nor the game for that matter. The people playing dnf today do so out of passion and are willing to find games anywhere. They wouldn't need to rely on things like discord if more people actually gave the game a fair chance.
Also various levels of enjoyment of the game I don't play or practice at home, but whenever I sign up for a strive tournament I always also sign up for dnf and I have alot of fun doing so at a casual level.
very true as well - I think DNF has a huge skill ceiling but comparatively a lower floor. Its an easy game to pick up and have fun with in the same way I felt that UMVC3 and DBFZ were
Honestly, that 1 character is gonna give the game 2 months at best. The gameplay loop doesnt make the playing anymore fun when its just another character to lab/do combos with. She'll either be bad and dnf will bleed out fast, or be amazing and buy the game enough retention time till the next dlc. But one things for sure, its really hard to recomend to people given the numerous better options out there.
I mean no offense dude (I agree with you) but this topic is just a very bias standpoint from players of their respective fighters. Which makes sense, but still, the very origin of posting steam charts was for fans of a game to flex on other games. The fgc usually says that other games are dead but when it’s their game then it’s doing fine. The definition of death varies from different fandoms. The fgc is just a very competitive community sadly.
Can't fault anyone for not wanting to get into it, I wouldn't recommend buying unless it's on sale and there is new content coming. Just pointing out something isn't necessarily dead because it isn't thriving and fighting games in particular live on a small community for quite a long time
I feel like people bought into the mistake of buying this game not realizing what it actually. A basically 2 touch game with a lot block and no jumping. when everyone i guess thought it was something else. So idk the gameplsy doesnt seem to resonate people. Thats why nobody wants to play?
I do think some people take issue with the gameplay and I think your are correct, the anime visuals are definitely more reminiscint of an airdasher than something where you can't even block in the air. I'm sure that's why some people stopped playing, but I think a larger issue is the clown show the game became on social media and the complete void of developer communication or updates to balance that out
@@flowchartk3n this isnt like dnfd exclusive problem though. Im sure a lot people bought sf6 played for a while and find out they dont actual like the changes. fighting games should have more online free demos so people can get a feel for what the real game is or if companies are that cheap they could make it a payed subscription.
If the game has no mod support and can't host your own game, the steam charts is pretty much it's lifeline. Hosting your own game long after the server shutdown is the reason why other games are still alive. Steamcharts is only baseless if the game can be played offline and can host your own game.
@@flowchartk3n Oh is that confirmed? then we have nothing to worry about then lol Being able to play and host a match is already 50% of the game IMO. Sry for the misunderstanding I gave up digging info after hearing it was a 50/60$ game.
@@MangaGamified no worries, and yeah I have been pretty candid I don't think the game is worth 50/60 and it never should've gotten a switch port before crossplay was built imo. The devs definitely need to slash the price and give people a reason to come back at this point
I saw that. Worth noting a chunk of this video is dedicated to why I don't think steam charts is the best metric for telling if a game is healthy or not, but I would guess that 500 will be the high for some time. Possibly until the next DLC
Facts. No it's not dead. It's still a unique 2.5D Fighter. Sometimes time is our best Friend. DNF Doesn't really have a bar set. It's just going with the flow. I honestly think they caught wind of all the other (SF6,MK1,Tekken) developments and chose a different path then what was presented at that time. Like you said Nexon aren't scrubs. They are heavyweights. Been eating good 💯
Nexon is way too stubborn to stop shoveling money into the game for at least another year, I believe they will not abandon the game if the cost is a tiny percentage of their gross from DFO
The game is dope. Don't care what some mouth breathers think. I just wish more people played. Rookies, med levels or top players like yourself. I just want games and more games after.
@@RealKorean I still think charging for them separately was a mistake. If they made it a free mode or if they at least pretended to work on both maybe. But charging more money for people like me who already paid for BR alpha so they could stop making content for BR and chase a trend was borderline insulting
New dlc character with a massive balance patch drops on a rollback netcode game with a road map that stretches 12+ months into the future. Yep, that's the definition of a dead fighting game
What they really need to do is reduce the base price to 40 bucks or less, and have it on a month long 50% off sale, 50 bucks with only a couple mediocre sales for a game with such little content is just not gonna do it; knowing Nexon, however, that is not gonna happen.
The only reason DNF even did as well as it did was because: 1. SF6, MK1 etc were not out yet 2. COVID. Weebs are great at keeping their niche games alive (when compared to western fighting games that do not have such a rabid fanatical base) but you guys might have to let this die.
Tbh, the game was almost dead to me when I found out what they did to Troubleshooter... I know they were taking Dnf duel into a new direction, but still, it breaks my heart. I don't see much TS matches anymore, and when I found out one of my fav players just gave it up, I literally had second thoughts about dnf, until I decided that I should at least commit to being good if Iiked the character enough and... I'm still here, trying my best😅 hoping for better days ahead
I truly believe that this game needs 4 things to bring it back from the brink of death 1: drop the price to at atleast $19.99 - $24.99 the game lacks not enough content to justify the cost of the game 2: Crossplay. This is an absolute most, crazy to think that cross-play isn't the standard for all games that have Multiplat releases in 2023, moving forward no matter what genre weather its a Fighter, FPS, RTS, Moba, Battle royal doesn't matter it absolutely NEEDS cross-play, it will help keep the game alive 300 players across all platforms is better than being stuck fighting the same 12 players on only one platform. People forget how GG Strive atleast on console was also a dead game before the cross-play with PC release cross-play save GG Strive. 3: A Xbox series X/S port. Seriously confused the hell out of me that the switch got the game before Xbox did with the lack of rollback and the fact that majority of switch owners don't have the oled model means no LAN connection like wtf where they thinking 4: Gamepass. If you include everything I mentioned before this makes sense low cost of entrie, it will bring in a consistent flow a new/ returning players, with cross-play enabled you'll never run out of fresh players willing to give the game a chance, best example I can give is BBtag got a GP/Xbox port back in may and now there's a brand new community of BBtag players the are constantly playing the game daily vs the game pretty much being dead atleast on PlayStation.
Wouldn't say it's dead but the time it taking for updates and the way the game is presenting it's self with trailers is so tough for it's perception It sucks seeing a game go from loved to made fun of for everything it's doing
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6NZwT8aV-zU.html&ab_channel=DungeonFighterOnline DFO cinematics, they are actually very cool and well done
People in the fgc say a game is dead, because there is no competitive scene. Maybe people play it casually but it isn't considered a option for tournaments. Old heads bases their opinions on locals and tournament numbers
You are pretty wrong on this one my guy. Not getting into evo was a blow for sure but the game is drawing 100+ people for big events which is right on pace with any anime fighters. It's not street fighter or Tekken numbers but it's enough to say the game has a competitive scene
@@flowchartk3n I'm not talking about Evo bro, I'm talking about the. I go down to my local with the homies and we put up tournaments for the game. We ask people to come out. If they don't show or they don't exist the game is dead and we won't bother with it anymore.
That’s not really a good indicator. You could argue Tekken has a bigger competitive scene than Mortal kombat but that doesn’t mean Tekken is more mainstream. It’s a good point to have a scene but esports don’t reflect general gaming at all.
For me the game died when I hit legend and every beserker or crusader just infinite because you made one mistake, I loved the game but it’s just annoying sitting there waiting for your turn and not much defensive options
they dont have infinites but yeah you can die in 2 hits. Its something you have to play around and I enjoy it most of the time but its not for everyone
The fact that DNF Duel was released only 1 year after Guilty Gear Strive, with the same engine and a copy-pasted graphic style, while GGST still had connexion and servers issues no fixed, paper thin content and a bad ranking system, made no sense at all... They should have put the resources wasted in DNF Duel into making Guilty Gear Strive feel like a complete game instead.
daily reminder that 8ing is the developer behind DNF, and that ASW only provided the artwork assets and some of the engine as far as anyone knows. They specifically sub contracted the game to 8ing because they could not take on a new title while strive was being made
I love DNF duel but I'm tired of buying dead games lmao, i bought Samsho and can't find a single match. I just bought MvCI and can't find a single match either... I don't want the same thing to happen when i buy DNF
@@flowchartk3n yeah, i bought it with 80% discount and the game feels awesome, but no one plays it anymore lmao. I'm looking right at power rangers battle for the grid now
@@Kakomss BFTG has a slightly more dedicated niche so you may have better luck there. If you do pick it up check out hollowshy on twitch/YT I know he loves that game and would probably be a good resource
Dead definitely varies from person to person. IMO a lot of mechnaics in other fighters have ruined fighters like this one. People are mad at big buttons and TOD's yet play DBFZ 😂. However the game definately needed just a little more in the defense category. Just a little, not burst (GGS), or Air tech, just something for the guard bar (which they are finally bringing). So i think DNF will be in a good place after, and then it'll slowly build back up in the scene (hopefully).
If nexon cared they would have hired arcsys to fully develop the game and not 8ing, kusoge fighters are horrible! DNFD is and always will be a cash grab.
