Depends on the circumstance. It’s not that simple. Lot’s of analysis ranging from mens rea, objective intent, and bio / physiological reactions to alcohol.
I think that everything that distracts us from our relationship with God is bad. Looking television, drinking alcohol, looking pornografical movies, driving to hard, eating to much, daydreaming etc. We must be awaken all day long for hearing what the Holy Spirit wants us to do. That isn't possible when your mind is in a state of distraction.
If drinking causes you to do something that doesn't glorify God, dont do it. If you turn it into an idol, seeking it for comfort, it becomes a sin. It's like money. Money is not inherently bad, but the love and obsession of it is. Putting anything before God is a sin.
Drank moderately in my early years as a born again Christian, but as the Lord matures you through his spirit,his word and trials, the grace he has given me has put me of alcohol.Its not sinful per se but has dulled my mind and my overall sensitivity to the spirit that i have found harder to relinquish as easily.
Im a born again Christian I just got baptized two weeks ago I have been staying sober but I had a drink yesterday and I feel bad I feel a little discouraged please pray for me I love Jesus but I struggle sometimes
@@JordonDev jesus pbuh according to Christianity he came to pay for our sins you can correct me if i am wrong. So what is the point in repenting when our sins are already forgiven?
Jesus paid the price to open a pathway to allow you to go to heaven. Sin separates us from God, and God has always been a God of sacrifice. Jesus was the sacrifice. If you never repent from your sins you will never be forgiven, as you reject Jesus. Simple as that bro
@@JordonDev jesus came as a sacrifice for what sacrifice for our sins and now he has been sacrificed which means our sins are forgiver past and future. Here is my question why should you repent when your sins are already forgiven? The question is very simple and you are not answering this directly
I finally at the age 51 gave up about 4 years ago and what a blessing I am so grateful and continually thankful to God Almighty as I could never have achieved this myself. Young Christians dont be fooled by thinking it's okay. Not many can drink in moderation.
@@flyflyaway1371 you disgusting pharisee.......Jesus, and the First Miracle. You can't handle Biblical truth when it goes against your legalistic notions.
@@chuckwright8889 Very disgusting in the way you talk to others. Continue being a drunk and a homosexual see how far that gets you into the heavenly kingdom pal. You love worldly things no wonder you get angered so easily when faced with truth from scripture!
I got saved and kept on drinking alcohol after that but obviously controlled myself to not get drunk. As much as I was able to limit myself.... the truth is that my flesh just got stronger with every sip and it became harder to fight temptations. I might be able to fight the temptation of drinking more glasses, but I wasn’t full on sober either 🤷🏽♂️. Personally I just made a decision to not drink alcohol at all.... I literally don’t need it I can drink soda. Alcohol has just always interfered... either my fleshly temptations take over, I drink too much or I become reckless. Just decided to stay away... I don’t need it🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️.... what’s the purpose of drinking it anyways
Jesus literally supplied the booze at a wedding feast. I am pretty sure that nobody drove home from that wedding. Nobody is suggesting that getting hammered all the time is a good thing. But on special occasions let loose and live a little.
So true what is the point of drinking poison you get a buzz some people get violent with their loved ones it is just so silly. A soda can give a buzz as well, and will never cause any trouble onya.
“Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.” - 1 Peter 5:8 “Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is-his good, pleasing and perfect will.” - Romans 12:2 Just gonna leave this right here
That scripture isn't from the KJV. 1 Peter 5:8-9 "8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world." KJV. Romans 12:2 "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." KJV. Its very close my friend, but for English speakers, only the KJV is scripture.
Figuratively it’s to be watchful. It says “sober-minded”. It means to be watchful, vigilant, awake spiritually. We must have sober minds for a number of reasons. The key to this verse is not simply alcohol.
When Jesus turned water into wine the master of the banquet said "Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink, but you have saved the best till now". - John 2:10
so you say drink it but not be drunk....haha touch but not kiss...kiss but not f........bullshit....if it is harmfull in little then it will in big size...
I am 57 and have not yet had my first drink and never will! It is not a religious issue with me but is a result of coming from a family of alcoholics. I made that decision at four years of age! I saw what it did to my family and I vowed that no child of mine would ever see me drunk and my husband would never have to deal will a drunk wife and unfit mother.
+A JOSH I know that but for me the risks were too great. One side of my family are almost all alcoholics, so I decided it wasn't worth the risk for me.
+A JOSH PS. I was abandoned on a street corner at four years old with a three year old sister by a drunk mother. A woman picked us up and took care of us for a week while she located our father. Her name was Rena Wigger and I will never forget what she did for us. I just found out she owned a few drug and alcohol rehab centers in Los Angeles and the centers are still in business even though she is no longer with us.
Whatever takes your focus off the narrow road is bad for you. For some guys it's beer, for others it's golf or eating pizza. The devil will not tempt you with something that which you are naturally inclined not to do - ie: Example :The devil will not temp Pst. John Piper with beer, because that's a non-issue for the pastor, the devil might tempt him with something else which he has an affinity for, like spending too much time in front of the TV etc. What is your affinity? How do you guard against being submitted to your affinity? That's the business end question here. I love PS3 and RU-vid and if I don't watch out, 3 hours will have passed. That's just as bad as being drunk in my eyes.
Marachenka agreed, it's about inclination. i am not tempted to consume mass quantities of booze. yes, i will have a beer with BBQ, but not all of the time. i avoid the Chinese buffet though, lol.
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. - 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Drunkenness seems to be a pretty big deal. Make no mistake; wasting time is nowhere near as bad as getting drunk.
@@coff2x387 Proverbs isn’t technically OT Law... it’s general wisdom that is definitely still relevant for Christians today. That said, as a Christian and dual-certified beer and wine expert, Proverbs doesn’t condemn moderate drinking. Written by Solomon right? Lol he had vineyards according to Ecclesiastes, so there is no way he can also condemn it... it wouldn’t be consistent. The context makes better sense if heavy drinking was being talked about... and it sure looks like it in the surrounding verses in Proverbs
@@progodspeed2311 thank you for your reply..Romans 15:4 whatsoever things are written aforetime is written for our learning etc. I understand the purpose of for the psalms & proverbs however Christians will be judged base the Christian dispensation. And keeping with the content drinking is not a sin drunkenness is. Romans 14:13 let us not therefore judge one another anymore but judge this rather that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brothers way.
@@tarsisalvarado4657 True but you don't need to constantly eat a bag a Cheetos to survive either. We're even commanded to fast often. So we should be abstaining from foods often to crucify the flesh. Meaning too much of "anything" including food is bad.
@@lovepeople951 the Bible basically says it's when you're not sober anymore. The Bible says be sober, be vigilant. You can have one or two beers and still be sober.
@@Josiahministries it says be sober minded a beer or 2 changes your mind easily even if your not drunk your tipsy your more prone to fail and not judge correctly, I mean honestly would you talk to jesus after having a beer or 2, personally I just think the holy spirit will convict you it honestly seems like some people can drink it and some people cant i don't really care for it though
I so appreciate measured, wise, fair and Biblical answers from you Dr Piper. No one can say of you on this topic that you treated the topic unfairly. God bless you.
After we become His children, He comes and lives in our hearts and His Spirit will guide us in the right path(the narrow way). When we choose to trust Him in faith and desire to stay on course(despite our weaknesses that causes us to stray once in a while), He will help us to let go of useless things(useless for His plan and purpose) from our lives, with or without our knowledge. He shall purify the sons of levi !thanks be to the Lord & our Savior Jesus Christ for His mercy and grace.
what Dr John Piper is saying here is that if you get drunk when you drink alcohol or if it causes a stumbling block for you or someone else then its a sin.
FirstName Last That's my point. Two or three bottle of beer won't harm you depending on your size. Water could be poison if you drink it too many liters. Over consumption of vinegar also has negative health effects. It should be taken 30ml per day but go ahead and drink a bottle and you are in trouble.
@@ReasonAboveEverything are you drinking these 2 or 3 bottles of beer "daily?" and it doesn't hurt? too much sugar makes you fat, THATS a sin. If I'm a recovering alcoholic, I get saved, I go to a restaurant and see you sitting there drinking beer or some other drink...I'm a new Christian, not real bright in the things of the Lord, so "I" go, "OH wow, so I CAN drink..I start up again, and end up too much..back on the road I just came from." when you go to heaven and face God do you think he is going to show you the "Video so to speak," of that very event, and what it did to me? I don't know. But I SURE as heck am NOT going to take that chance..Hell is NOT worth it..!!! BUT that's just me.
@Colorado Strong Wow, wise words,makes a lot of sense,words hv power,so why wld you keep reminding yourself or speaking that over yourself? Great observation 👍
One thing I feel blessed for never being pulled to was drugs/alcohol/parry lifestyle. I had other battles to overcome, but those specifically were not among them.
Drinking Alcohol is not a sin the problem is we live in culture in America where people to enjoy themselves depend on alcohol. That’s not sober minded because if you can’t have fun without alcohol then that’s a problem. Another reason is because most of the environment where alcohol is in places where it leads to sin. I use to drink for wrong reasons but I never like the taste of alcohol. I came to realize that I wasn’t being myself and only trying to fit in or perhaps feel brave to dance at a party or talk to a pretty girl.
I am a complete abstainer and have never had a drink, but it isn’t because of religious reasons. My drunk mother dumped me on a street corner in downtown Los Angeles when I was 4 years old. I vowed then and there NEVER to touch alcohol, and at the age of 64, I have kept that vow.
Cgilbert To pastor John Piper I really appreciate how you handle that song reckless love but wish you could have went into so scriptures about it but may God keep you and you and bless you and may peace be upon you . You're most Adamant Listener Cgilbert
When you do anything to the point of being drunk in it and cannot will yourself to stop the habit then it is sin. "I have the right to do anything," you say--but not everything is beneficial. "I have the right to do anything"--but I will not be mastered by anything. - 1 Corinthians 6:12
@Topspeed350 Be sober (nepho) wasn't a suggestion. Look not on the wine when it is red (fermented). In other words, drink the non alcoholic wine (grape juice). "your presses shall break out with new wine (grape juice)"
Good video, good scripture advice. At Passover I usually drink grape juice. One time, when I was not looking. My niece snuck in a glass of true wine. I found out as we were having the Service. Needless to say she got a kick out of seeing her uncle a bit woosy. But the uncle got a kick out of seeing his nieces expression after he said " since I'm the driver in my vehicle we're going to help rabbi and his wife clean up and pick up and sweep until your uncles woosyness goes away." She laughed. We both did. 👍🏻 good Teaching.
And that is perfectly fine. "Whether therefore you eat or drink or whatsoever you do, do all to the glory of God." I just think we all need to remember how to distinguish between our preferences and what actually constitutes "sin."
I’m a default tea-totaler too. My grandpa and grandma were alcoholics and I saw all the destruction that came out of it. And then add all the alcohol related consequences we see daily, for me I pretty much leave it alone. Used to drink more in my 20s but honestly it never complimented my life in any way.I don’t tell others what to do, but that’s my experience.
It may be wise. It depends on the context. Here's an example... I come home worn out and stressed from work. I really want to spend quality time with my kids, but I know I'm physically and emotionally exhausted and am likely to be impatient or short with them. I pour a glass of wine and sip it as I ask God to give me patience. The wine helps me unwind and reset my mind before I play with my kids. To me, that's a wise use of wine. And before you go on some tangent about how "you shouldn't need wine... you should just trust God"... let me ask you, if you had a headache would you take Advil or trust God? Do you drink coffee in the morning to help "pick you up?" Why not just trust God? Wine has medicinal properties. It helps calm nerves. So no, it is not necessarily sin to drink. And yes, it may be wise. It all depends on context.
@@McScott76 is it possible to ask God to reset your mind without first pouring a glass of wine? Im sure God can do all things by Himself. Just a thought.
Frederick Kado Sure, it’s possible. Just like it’s possible to ask God to take away a headache and then take a couple of Advil too. It was also possible for Timothy to ask God to heal his chronic ailments, and yet Paul advised he drink wine for his stomach (1 Timothy 5:23). The Pharisees claimed that Jesus was a drunkard because he chose to drink wine after making the opposite indictment of John the Baptist, claiming he had a demon because of his abstinence and odd dietary practices (Luke 7:33-34). Was it “unwise” for Jesus to drink wine, knowing the Pharisees would claim he abused it? Pharisees will always find a way to project their legalism on other believers. Not much has changed in 2,000 years.
@@McScott76 If we try to understand Jesus in biblical context more, you will be never comprehend him. There are other contexts such as Jesus cursing the tree that did not bear fruit on his way to Jerusalem. Leave the pharisees aside, we dont have to do the same and go cursing every tree that does not bear fruit. You and I both know that God's grace can heal anyone and you wouldnt need wine to help the healing. Also wine during Jesus time was 8 parts water to one part wine which is way weaker than the strength of wine existing in modern day. To compare wine without studying the alcohol and fermentation processes in Jesus time vs modern day would lead to a whole new misleading conclusion. Wine was also a preferrable beverage at that time since water was not as safe for drinking. I gather you have not looked into this pockets of research any further. Drinking water standards were not as safe as it is in modern day. The fermentation involved in making wine made it a safe option and therefore it was the preferred beverage. Another interesting factor is that the ratio of 8 parts of water to one part wine made it safe for children to consume it without being intoxicated. You would need 21 standard cups to be intoxicated. The pharisees are people who only studied the law without studying aspects beyond the law. That lack of additional knowledge leads them to lack a proper understanding of the way Jesus enacted himself. We have full knowledge of the truth, lets not obstruct it with our own bias.
Everything that is made by God, including alcohol, is inherently good, because the Lord is good - but because of sin, what's good can be tainted, so like Pastor Piper said, it's very important to center ourselves with God first so we don't idolize things around us, including alcohol.
Luke 1:15 For he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born.
Context. Context. Seems like you're cherry-picking one verse that refers to a very specific situation, in spite of various other verses that say that wine is fine to drink (under proper circumstances).
Luke 7:33-34 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon.’ The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’" Between John the Baptist and Jesus, who do you think we are supposed to emulate as Christians?
All part of the trick, check these 20 evidence especially the first 4 and the last paragraph: 20 IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE that proved Bible God is likely FAKE, don't miss the last paragraph that explains them all: 1) A creator god claimed to be all mighty should be the oldest and only religion but all the pagans, Greek, Chinese, Hinduism religions existed earlier. This proved their Creator claim fake. 2) Jesus similarities with Buddha. Maya to Mary, miracle pregnancy to virgin pregnancy, birth during a journey home to from home, prophesied soon after birth, both had a disciple who betrayed them, walked on water, Gautama left the palace at age 29 and Jesus appeared at 29, Gautama became Buddha at 35 and Jesus died and resurrected at around 35 too, Buddha had a big meal while Jesus had a last supper before they died, after they passed away, 500 arahants witnessed compilation of Buddha's teachings and over 500 witnesses to Jesus's resurrection etc. All coincidental ? Beside Buddha, Jesus was also found to be copied from other figures. Surely they can't be ALL coincidental. 3) Many of the Bible's mythologies was copied from older pagans, Greek, Egyptian or Hinduism religions(note the names too) E.g. Adam & Eve from Atman and Jiva, in Hinduism, big flood and survivor Noah/3 sons same as Manu/3 sons although cause of flood is different. Even the names of Abraham and wife/sister Sarah close to Brahma and Saraswathi beside having quite similar story. Regardless of which religion copied which, it proved this god is NOT the only true god or all mighty as it doesn't makes sense for an ALMIGHTY GOD to create or allow more copies or religions. 4) Why should a true all mighty and all knowing God allowed their people to branch off and kill their parent religion Judaism or Zoroatruism ? "Free will" as an excuse is not acceptable as earlier they claimed their God killed all people with a big flood(without freewill) because they sinned. 5) The way they collect tithings during Sunday mass is so tricky. They know people will be shy not to pay or tend to pay more when others could be watching. This is why they don't just use a stationed money box like Buddhism, Hinduism or Chinese temples where people can donate anytime. Catholics and Islam made it even bigger by suggesting donation of a certain percentage of their income. 6) The Bible condemned non-followers, clearly mentioned in Mark's words 16:16. Why should a Creator God's religion condemn non-believers when in the first place, they claimed their God created the world? Isn't this like playing both sides of the same coin, both good and evil ? 7)Not knowing why or how the world exists don't mean that it was created by a god. Now "Creator" idea got stale, they use "Intelligent Design" What is so intelligent in its design? If people don't need to go to toilet and don't have unpleasant feelings or sufferings, then I will call it an intelligent design. 8)Wisdom, mindfulness and meditaion are not taught or encouraged by them because they don't want their followers' minds to be clearer and wiser. 9)The Bible copied very much from older religions but not the theory of karma because karma idea defeats the purpose of the all mighty God and it will prevent people from doing bad deeds. Saying God love or forgive sins is a trick playing both sides of the coin. 10) The way the church preached and claimed simply lacked substance and logic. If you ask them intelligent question, they will always be evasive and say you are a troll or using the same circular reasoning tactic. 11) It don't makes sense to claim that only their believers will go to heaven and others don't since they claimed their God created all people. Such claim is an insult to other religions and cultures and caused people to divide. A good religion should be non-sectarian, secular and treat all people equally. 12)Most major festivals and holidays related to Christianity are fake including Christmas(Jesus can't be born in winter), Easter, Thanksgiving, Good Friday, All Souls, Halloween and even New Year are copied from paganism. 13) Using fear like hell or "end of the world" every 2 years but we are still here. 14) The fraud case of Mother Teresa(Google it) and after she died, those money she collected was not returned to India. 15)If their God is all-mighty, why need missionaries to convert others ? 16) The ongoing child sex abuses committed by the pastors/priests that I read so often. 17) The Bible is full of lust(Solomon's part), evil and violence. Their God killed countless people when Satan only killed a few. 18) The Bible condemned dogs because they know dogs are man's best friend. Making men lonely is the best way to keep them dependant on religion. 19) If God created everybody, why then condemn LGBT or other religions ? 20) Incidents, eg: (a) U.S., U.K, France, Italy, Spain, Brazil, Mexico are all high Christianity population countries and more people died from Covid-19, over 400K Americans alone !! (b)The Air Asia plane crash of killed 41 church members, 2 missionaries and their few month old baby. Only 1 reason can tie up all 20 points above, this God was man-made to con or control people.
Marty Blackman I had actually never realized it until he said it, but thinking about it I believe he is right. Like he said, it probably was wine, but it never says it was specifically. So it is wrong for us to say that it is commanded to drink alcohol.
We are called to be the salt and light of this world. He set us a part and if our mouth still addicted with drinking or still smoking, so what difference we could make in this world.
I believe that being drunk is a sin, but drinking alcohol can be a starting point to get you to get drunk. I just choose not to drink alcohol at all. I was tricked as a kid to drink beer and it's disgusting. I'm thankful that happened because it made me dislike alcohol.
Mami Momo i've seen people drink, even little can make you go crazy. That's why i stray away frkm it. I don't need it to have a good time. I would rather be aware of what's happening, then not knowing the next day.
from what I got is not to be a slave to it. Don't want it everyday it should be for celebration purposes only and if you celebrate alot for whatever reason don't be a drunkard and get drunk all the time. I am gonna be praying about this my friend wanted me to come out with him tonight. so I will experience it and if the Holy Spirit convicts me I will know it for sure.
I love Yeshua and I love wine. Relax and enjoy your drink. You can even pray better drinking a good Cabernet Sauvignon or Malbec or whatever. Don't make life too complicated for yourself and others, Just don't get drunk!
Confucius say "everything in moderation is medicine and everything in excess is poison", even food. Alcohol in moderation lubricates a thing we call "celebration" ...but in excess it leads to conflict.
When I truly fell in love with Jesus, I didn’t want anything to do with it! Why look for reasons why to when there are so many reasons why not, love everyone reading this 🙏❤
This talk makes me wanting to drink, but of course not to the point that I will commit sins. I guess it is due to the cold weather. I need something to warm up myself. Thank you Lord.
Deuteronomy 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for *wine, or for strong drink*, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household. Alcohol can be very enjoyable without you having to be drunk. Being piss drunk is the sin. Everyone in their right mind especially in this day and age could tell when they are getting a little tipsy and stop drinking. It's not easy to get drunk without much effort. If you are not responsible, don't drink alcohol.
JepMaster8 Jesus turned water into wine for a party for a marriage. They where celebrating enjoying themseleves not drunk and not knowing what they where doing. It was also the best wine they had! I would lile to taste that wine amd have a drink with my Lord Jesus.
@@Ps-Games121 grape juice wasn't possible back then... grapes only harvest once a year and the only way to store them is in wine skins. Which cause fermentation... the bible warns of living a life of drunkenness and debauchery.. but it never says alcohol in itself is evil .. fruit juice want possible to have until we had ice boxes
Here is a thought I had as it pertains to issues we face on "drawing the line" for sin. Case in point, Pastor Piper... (I so wish I attended his church just to call him Pastor Piper LOL).. But Pastor said, he saw so many come through his ministry trying to get free from alcohol. I can just see all the people who are adamantly against drinking nodding their heads in agreement while thinking thats exactly why they dont drink. With this in mind, ask yourself a question. How many other men and women who are rich with all their needs met and no "need" for God in their minds, NEVER SET FOOT in a church and are going to hell just as fast as the drunkard??? Think about that! I just wish more people would use wisdom and have much more balance in their approach to who is a sinner and who isnt. The bible is clear on a lot of issues but perhaps the largest sin of all sins is the omitted sins of the believers. Meaning, all the Christians who are NOT doing what they are supposed to be doing. Its those same christians that love to be the judge of everyone all the while marching toward their own judgement. We cant stray from the lines of truth but more love and wisdom is desperately needed today. Pastor Piper hehe is the man and seems to possess one of the more powerful gifts of wisdom I have seen today. God Bless him and God Bless all!
I think its as simple as this. If you drink wine, beer or even the hard stuff. If you catch a slight buzz and your reading a book, watching a great movie, or just sitting on your patio enjoying a relaxing evening, this is not a sin. Unless, the alcohol causes you to suddenly stand up and start flipping off passing cars, yelling obscenities at your neighbors, or beating your wife and kids. If you wouldn't normally do these things, and you let the alcohol influence you into doing these things, then you let the alcohol CAUSE you to sin. You are still responsible for your actions even when your drunk or buzzed. You won't be able to tell God that you wouldn't normally have done that because you were drunk. You are responsible for your actions at all times. Drunk or not. However, if you can drink a little alcohol and not let it cause you to do sinful things, then its not a sin. If you drink and become an addicted drunk, then that too is obviously a sin because the Bible says all drunks are condemened. Does drinking a little alcohol make you a drunk? I don't think so because like the pastor said, even Jesus made and drank wine. Was he a drunk? Of course not. Also, I have read somewhere that at the founding of the USA, everyone drank beer because the water was impure and the beer was. So did all our founding fathers, mothers go to hell because they drank beer? I doubt it
Drunkeness is not a sin, people do drunk crap when drunk. Its a sin to start to drink when knowing fully well what it leads to, if drinking is a problem for that person. The most insane thing an alcoholic does is take the first drink, they are separated from God by sin, by their insanity.
@@jonesgerard Hey, sorry man but if you believe in the Bible then you have to believe it's a sin. I mean it does say multiple times that it IS a sin...
Buzzed? That's already controlling you to. Some extend. Buzzed is sin. Once you're buzzed you gave power of your choices to a substance or whatever stands behind the substance
I'm a Christian, and I drink a little bit on occasion. I have known a lot of non-drinking "Christians" who are prejudiced against other races or nationalities. (Of course, many of them say, "I'm not prejudiced...") I think prejudice is worse than drinking IN MODERATION. Also, I was taken advantage of and heavily criticized and judged by a "Christian" who didn't drink. I'd rather have an occasional drink than to be like that.
Me too I drink occasionally I truly enjoy it with a nice meal or just to enjoy it with friends and family. I know drunkenness is a sin but not drinking it. But if I’m going to make another believer to stumble than I won’t drink it. It’s all about to give God the Glory not myself.
@@susanmintzer5144 if you take a dose of cough medicine which has alcohol or take benadryl or driinfluence. With caffeine you are also under the infuence of that thing
My mom has “1 glass of wine” and I can bet money I can tell when she has. She is not sober minded. It definitely affects her she’s like 100 pounds tiny. But she doesn’t listen to me. It should really be the other way around. I shouldn’t have to be trying to teach her but oh well.
I find it humorous that all the people who adamantly campaign against alcohol and say that the miraculous wedding wine was grape juice completely miss the alcoholic nuance to the miracle. When the man said to Jesus that you normally serve the good wine first and then the poor wine, that’s a trick party hosts use to impress their guests. Serve them high quality wine at the beginning and then once their senses are dulled a little you can serve poor wine and they have a hard time telling the difference. It would never make sense to serve Non-alcoholic wine in that way, but the anti-alcohol campaigners often don’t understand that.
not sure if your a born again bible believer why you would want to be like the world? ..."come out and be ye separate"....not sure why anyone would want to part take in a product that has caused so much harm in our world...drunkenness, DUI'S, deaths, Domestic violence, alcoholism, job loss, family relationships, health problems, and overall poor decisions ...
I am indeed. I typically abstain from alcohol myself and I've seen great destruction that is alcohol related, I say related because the substance itself does not destroy, the persons indwelling sin does. Regardless that still does not mean that it is a sin to drink alcohol, it is very clearly indicated in the scriptures that it is not, alcoholism is a sin, gluttony is a sin, but the mere consumption of alcohol is not a sin. Does this mean you SHOULD drink? No, there are a vast number of people who should abstain from drinking all together, there are people who shouldn't ever gamble because they simply can't handle it. Gambling is not a sin either, it can be, but it's not inherently. Alcohol, Gambling & Weapons also cause a whole lot of harm in the world, except they really don't, our sin causes the harm, the vehicle is simply different.
Also I should say I empathize, because I understand the deep pain of losing someone you love to alcohol and watch them become a fundamentally different person. I understand that the depth of that pain and loss can be unimaginable and if you've had that in your life then I would like to pray that God will comfort you and guide you through these times and pray for reversal if this is something that's currently going on, my fiance recently lost her father to alcoholism, or ease the pain of the past. If not I pray you don't ever have to experience those things. God bless you brother.
Food is not forbidden, gluttony is. Money is not forbidden, greed is. See where I am going with this? Hard pill for people to swallow is that grape juice was invented around 1890 and new wine has never been shown to be non-alcoholic. They simply didnt have the technology to stop the fermentation process back then, and it started the process on day 1.
The thing about drinking alcohol is that if you claim to be a Christian and someone sees you drinking alcohol they wonder what other questionable behavior do you give yourself license to do .
In the Gospel of Matthew (11:18-19), Jesus, comparing himself with John the Baptist, says "for John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon’; the Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Look, a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ " In the Gospel of Luke, (7:33-34), Jesus says " For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon’; the Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look, a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ " Christian theology holds that Jesus was without sin. The Bible, which is supposedly the ultimate authority on faith and morals for Christians, is also quite clear that Jesus consumed alcohol. Indeed, in the Gospel of John (2:6-7), while attending a wedding feast, Jesus turns the water in six stone jars, each holding between 20 and the 30 gallons, into wine. In and of itself, there is no basis whatever in the gospels for concluding that Jesus considered the consumption of alcohol a sin. What is unacceptable is the abuse of alcohol in all its forms, including the idolatry of booze.
JESUS WINE DID NOT CONSUME ALCOHOL!!!!!!!!!!!! TODAY WINE IS OF POISON CONSUMPTION STOP MAKING EXCUSES TO GET DRUNK BY QUOTING SCRIPTURES TO TWIST TO SATISFY YOUR LUST WHERE U FEEL YOUR NIT SINNING OR DOING ANYTHING WRONG THAT WONT WORK AT JUDGEMENT DAY BYE
@@waterambiece2739 i absolutely agree with you , people should know the difference between alcohol and wine and stop making excuses simply because of their lust
I agree with what he said. One problem for me is that in this day and age we don't walk or ride a donkey. If someone thinks they can handle one drink and then climbs into a car to drive it, they may find out too late (for them and some innocent bystander) that they were more intoxicated than they thought. Why take the chance? Also, I've heard that if someone has an addictive nature it only takes one drink to set them on the road to alcoholism. I think that's also a good reason not to use wine for communion.
Do you not know that your body is the temple of the Lord?..... 1 Cor 3;16-17. Not only does alcohol defiles the temple(body) , also the unclean foods on Leviticus 11. Anything that is consumed and defiles the body is as good as killing the body. So many in the world are killers and murderers of themselves even others through what goes into the mouths. Not only alcohol, the likes of pork, duck meat,whale meat etc fall under the same form of temple defilement. This interpretation is misleading. It is not how you feel, it is what God wants and what He does not want. Can Jesus come down just to convert water to alcohol??? Aside personal feelings. Romans 13:12-14
@@user-dj1ck1sr1f good point. This really shows the truth of Islam and the Quran as the perfect and final revelation of God. Pork and alcohol are very specifically prohibited. We submit our minds and bodies and souls to Allah who gave us life. Allahu Akbar!
@@user-dj1ck1sr1fJesus said its not what goes into the body that makes it unclean, but what comes out, which is from the heart. Their are a lot of substances that slowly kill the body including those that you mentioned and cigarettes. Also, the uncontrolled consumption of sugars and fatty foods can lead to diabetes, high blood pressure, and heart disease.
Romans 7:13-25. I hate when I drink alcohol, why can't I just stop? But I get some things backwards. I have to quit fighting my addiction, and be Obedient, and Surrender to Jesus. Drawing closer to Jesus, He draws closer to me, and the alcohol fades away. Thank you Jesus, for You are Worthy.
Don't trip I actually like it. It's not a perfect comparison, I don't think it was meant to be one though. I think he was putting it in a different context so we can reframe our thoughts on the subject so we are more open and able to understand what he says in the rest of the video
I've heard this argument before, but have never found any historical proof for it. I grew up in an extremely conservative church and as I grew up I decided that I think our church made it up to "explain away" what they didn't like in the scriptures. Maybe I'm wrong......
Condemn alchohol and cigarettes, which both are bad for your physical health, but say nothing of other bad habits such as consuming foods such as sugar which causes diabetes, fatty foods which cause obesity which leads to clogged arteries and heart disease.
Jesus did turn water into wine because the king comment Jesus for saving the best wine for the end of the party because after people drinking wine and get drunk would at the end of the party would not care how good the wine was there drunk, I say a drink of alcohol like beer or wine is not sin, drinking to the point of getting drunk is wrong or sin.
Deuteronomy 14:26KJV And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
All is lawful for me, but not all is helpful. Enjoying a drink is not sin. Drunkeness most certainly is. Scripture makes it plain. There are exceptions of course like drinking in front of someone who struggles with it, either physically or spirituality. It should absolutely be treated with caution but sin? No.
It is good [to do the right thing and] not eat meat or drink wine, or do anything that offends your brother and weakens him spiritually. The faith which you have [that gives you freedom of choice], have as your own conviction before God [just keep it between yourself and God, seeking His will]. Happy is he who has no reason to condemn himself for what he approves. But he who is uncertain [about eating a particular thing] is condemned if he eats, because he is not acting from faith. Whatever is not from faith is sin [whatever is done with doubt is sinful]. ROMANS 14:21-23 AMP
Ok, that was the shakiest start to a question here I've ever heard from Piper. Glad he went on further to explain. People often get upset when we talk about abstaining from alcohol and they are Christians. I don't condemn anyone but I wonder if the world see it different when they see us downing alcohol like they do?
like how jesus instructed the rich man to sell his possessions and give to the poor, what those two have in common is they both had to out of necessity, if jesus hated alchohol he wouldnt have transformed the water into wine. it was the best wine they had to!
@@Beanmachine91 it was divine so it was juice. Jesus would not have made wine for people to get drunk on. Also all rabbis were not to drink not even touch it.
The alcohal was not as strong as it is now so back in the day it was more watered down and very hard to get but today it is so strong and is so much available a whole department of choices!!!
Back in the day, they were talking about wine Making wine was the only way they had to preserve fruit, and that's what they did. Grain alcohol is a fairly recent invention. It's only purpose is to get you plastered.
Your explanation on consuming wine To say It's ok to indulge, but don't abuse it. However, if drinking causes or influences one to sin. Isn't that like saying, "you can sin a little just as long as you don't overdo it"?. That seems to cloud the idea that one without sin, would slightly influence it. Please answer, because I'm still struggling to find a better answer.
@@reflexionesdelabiblia6711 no. Wine. It does not say it is juice anywhere, it uses the word wine. Would they really not mention the fact that the wine was alcohol free? That would be an important detail. Jesus was accused of being a drunkard. That wouldn't make sense unless he drank wine
