I do watch the show! About the aero frame gains for small vs large riders. Answer = small riders will see a bigger relative gain on an aero bike as the bike makes up a larger proportion of their total CdA. Fact. The reason i don't use one is that i find them predominantly too stiff for my local rides, and the CdA gain on the total package (me being very large) is quite minor. Wheels and narrow handlebar can make up for that wattage and more. Tyres - If you have smooth roads and climbing all day, stick to 28mm max. If like me you have rough as sh1t roads with cracks and potholes everywhere, a softer fatter tyre is more comfortable and confidence inspiring... = speed. Don't forget a 28mm at say 80psi vs a 32 at 60psi will have the same rolling resistance on smooth tarmac if the "skin stress" in the tyre is the same. Thats a function of width and pressure. It is impossible to just say, wide tyres are faster, narrow tyres are faster. Horses for courses. My ideal setup is 32mm at 55 psi in the back to save my legs and back, and 28mm at 80psi on the front where aero is more important.
It all evens out the aero gains in clothing are bigger. Larger surface area for your skin suits. Don’t forget GCN always get their headline psi figure using hookless which are stiffer. So a 72 psi hookless has the same deflection as a 100 psi tubeless and a 120 psi tub, it’s all smoke and mirrors.
@@tobycolin6271 Hookless are stiffer ? I get the smoother rim-tire interface thus aero gain rationale of hookless but then wouldn't it also increase rolling resistance dramatically through suspension losses ?
@@WesternUranus yes the deflection is the same at maximum pressure for all tyres. A tub folds up and needs 120+ psi, old school clinchers need 100+ psi, tubeless only pierells and Hutchinson’s 80 to 100 psi and hookless 50 to 70 psi. They all support the rider with the Sam deflection and they all have different side wall stiffness and this is why the tyre pressure is a myth. The amount a tyre deflection is dependent on 2 factors 1 pressure 2 tyre tpi and construction. Hookless at 70 psi feels exactly the same as a tub at 130psi the deflection is the same.
@@tobycolin6271 yet you ignore the fastest TT riders are running 120psi 23/25mm tires. Ganna used 23mm GP5000 clinchers at 150psi for his HR. PSI is surface dependent just like tire width is. Nobody is running 70psi in a normal road race in the World Tour that doesn’t involve cobbles. Hookless at 70psi does NOT feel like my competitions tubs at 120psi 😂😂😂 You are talking nonsense mate or just so high AF when you ride you can’t tell the difference.
@@durianriders I didn’t say it felt the same. I said that the deflection was the same. The deflection as we both now is dictated by the road surface and to optimise any tyre you look at the road surface and set the deflection to approximately 1/3 to 1/2 the surface deviation. Uk average road this is 1mm smooth velodrome 0mm. Now depending on tyre format and construction you run different pressures for the same deflection. This is the gcn myth. The range for my Vittoria tubs 110 to 180 psi, my gp 5000s 90 to 125psi Pirelli tubeless 75 to 90psi and 72 psi all feel the same and have similar on road performance because the pressure is matched to the construction. 72 psi is not the same in different tyre construction
I agree with the proprietary parts. I can’t even count how many times I have a consumer I sold a bike too, that they bought in 2018 and they ask me to find the part for that to fix it. But the company and also me does not have this in stock and we basically tell the consumer to go find it themselves. It does suck. Also my videos look fuggin phenomenal. Looks like micheal bay recording it in a parking lot
Frightens the life out of me. Built in obsolescence. Another gift from the gift that keeps giving. Capitalism fails again - it just does do sustainable.
The industry no longer "knows" it customers. They want to sell us a new $10K complete bike every three years because they think that is the easiest way for them to make money, but many customers want to build our own custom bikes for our own specific riding conditions; because this has always been a key element of the sport. We want to be able to implement our own ideas through the long standing upgrade model, not through a "buy new off-the-rack" model. Durian is absolutely spot-on in recognizing this...
Lol if that’s what you think, you are so far removed from reality. Do you really think that the home mechanic boomer, who balks at paying $20 for an inner tube is worth catering to, over a cyclist who walks into a shop and throws money at the store for the latest and greatest? No. Some shops have even made the dentists and doctors on dogmas and sworks their main market, because those guys actually help keep their store afloat. The profit from one of those folks in a hour far outweighs what you penny pinching muppets can give in a month. Yes. The folks who buy a new 10k bike every year or so matter more than you penny pinching boomers. Custom bikes that will last a lifetime? Good lord that’s such an incentive for companies to pay attention to you guys. The industry knows it’s customers, you’re just salty that it’s no longer you. And you know what I feel too? Good riddance. I’m enjoying the bikes in road cycling way more now than I did a decade ago when folks like you were just holding progress back.
I bought my bike to last me 10 years, not 3. Rim breaks are easy maintenance, light weight, and good enough. I don't cycle much in the rain. I like working on my own bike, because I like knowing my own bike. And I don't like spending money when I don't have to. I am a casual rider. I ride for the fun and adventure.
I like rim brake bikes, I like to climb and from what I have seen disc brake bikes are a bit heavier. I also like the fact that I can get a decent rim brake bike relatively cheap. I also like the look more as it is what I grew up with and at almost 50, maybe it is a bit of nostalgia
DR is right, as someone wanting to buy a new bike i dont feel comfortable forking out 8k for "decent" bike when it will be a pig to maintain and will it even last me? honestly i just want to go back 10 years and buy a bike then vs now. It is sickening how consumers get fucked, especially ones like me who just want a bike and know nothing about how to maintain them.
It’s pretty easy to maintain your bike. Just chuck it to your nearest mechanic and get them to do it for you. I’ve been riding for close to a decade, and I can’t even remember the last time I’ve changed an inner tube, let alone worked on my bike (outside once or twice over the last 6 years whe the shop wasn’t open) Let’s be honest, even as someone who knows how to work on their bike (bleeding, setting up and replacing tubeless stuff etc), tou arent musing much by not knowing how to. Just pay someone to do it for you and spend that time on better things like working out at a gym etc.
The most attractive aspects of cycling toms vids include his overall good humour , positivity (not whinging about his lot) , school boy enthusiasm (which i hope he doesnt lose) and the has some serious drive from what I can determine from his content
Loving all the collab and banter you gents are covering. Fresh and one of the best on this RU-vid platform. Every week, you guys are the one I look forward to. Yes.... Get Cade on!
I've been riding and maintaining bikes for about 35 years. I still do about 6k-7k miles per year. This retrogrouchiness is misplaced. Modern bikes are much better to actually ride and I'd argue easier to live with than older bikes. People forget the irritations of old bikes: binding shift cables, binding brake cables, no brakes in even the mildest dampness, rock hard 115 psi 23mm tires with no grip, wheels going out of true, jarringly harsh carbon frames, shifting that doesn't compare to modern electronic shifting. I'd say the only things that were better before were threaded BBs (which have come back) and non-slipping, simple seatpost clamps (which need to come back). Everything else is better on modern bikes: faster, more comfortable, better shifting, better braking etc. Also, a electronic/hydraulic road bike requires very little work. Particularly if you go with AXS, building up a bike could not be easier. Once Di2 is installed, you basically never touch it again. Modern hydraulic brakes very rarely need bleeding. In five years of riding tubeless exclusively on road/gravel/MTB, I've had one flat I had to plug. Most people I know are using tubeless on the road, I can't remember the last time a flat disrupted one of our group rides. I'm as nostalgic for the old 6.1 kg Cannondales as the next guy, but there's no way I'd ride one.
Preach. 100% agree. I have a brand new bike with all the new stuff - integrated cables and AXS. It’s very easy to maintain and RU-vid makes decent bike mechanics out of all of us if you’re willing to put in the time to learn. My new Soloist is super fast and comfy. Is safer with wider tires, more grip, better braking, never needs adjusting. My like 7 year old Roubaix with hard tires and rim brakes beats me up and that was designed to be comfy. And it always needs tuning.
This is exactly right. Electronic and hydraulic systems are much less finicky and much more reliable than cables. Modern maintenance is straightforward and the little work you have to do lasts for thousands of miles.
I'd love to know what yall smoking. Hydraulic brakes not requiring maintenance or bleeding (especially SRAM which must be bled each year) - dem jokes are too much.
I'm an old dude and started riding in the late 1980's. I wouldn't trade my carbon, disc braked, electronic shifting bike for an old bike. The new bikes are just nicer to ride.
I completely agree with the tyre situation. I currently ride a mid-2000s giant tcr and whilst it is an excellent bike for the money (£350 for a combination of 105, ultegra and dura ace) my tyres routinely need to be run a rock-hard psi otherwise there is a large risk of punctures. It is also worth noting that many of the older bikes come with old-school 44mm wide handlebars. Whilst this is an easy fix for people that are mechanically minded, it is harder if you are getting into the sport as well as costing a little bit more (£50 for the handlebars and a bike shop to install them).
So I am one of the rare ones who subscribed, a long time ago in a galaxy far away, to this channel to follow the adventures of a small cycling team. That is RU-vid I like and watch, the personal stories around cycling and racing, not product or click bait type challenge videos. I been subscribed to CyclingTom for a couple of years, I want to see more videos about the development team, both management and racing.
Agree. I think Chris was way too hard on himself. I really enjoyed the ride and race vlogs and this was a big motivator for me to pin a number on at some point. It was great content.
Yep, I really liked the Nero team stuff and that's what got me following Chris, both here and on IG. I still really admire the attempt to make the team work, and it's a shame it ended.
@@Cyclingchoice agree to an extent, however from personal experience R8000 / 9000 is a step up from R6800 / and whatever Dura Ace was 🙂 Plus you had a crossover period with disc and rim brake options, full aero and 'lightweight climbing' options providing grwater choice . AND did I mention you could actually afford them 😁 My opinion of course 👍
@@zeuszuki6698 dura ace and ultegra and 105 doesn’t have to be “affordable”. These ar luxury products of you look at the larger picture. Too expensive? Buy microshift. Still too expensive? Strip a abandoned bike rusting away of its groupset. I can’t afford 105 on my indoor trainer bike; I use microshift for that. Or are stuff like microshift too pleb for elitists like you? Cycling has never been “unaffordable”. The difference now, is that you can no longer pay peanuts but still hope for something better than monkeys, as it should be.
On generally poor US roads, most people don't want to ride tires narrower than 28mm. That's why discs became universal. On my rim brake road bike, I change pads every 15 to 20,000 miles and cables every 12k or so. On my new disc brake road bike with 1k miles on it, I've gone though multiple sets of pads and a brake bleed. Yes, I mostly ride mountains, but that's a pretty stark difference. Trade offs!
Disc brake justifications are BS for most riders who never ride in rain, or do mountain descents, true small rim calipers limit tire width which is why I got. CX frame with Vee brakes, 32mm tires, never needed to true anwheel. I had a disc colnago with full ultegra, two sets of discs, two sets of pads, hours adjusting…and I am a pro mechanic, LOVE my V brakes which last, are silent, and zero maintenance. Did a 4000 ft 50 miler on rim brakes with a Disc’d buddy, Also pro mechanic, and he had to stop to straighen his disc twice. Get what you want, burnkeep both options please.
I don't have the latest iphone, and I don't have the latest bike. And yet...my 10yo TCR SL I picked up for AU$1200 with DuraAce (not that I need that) is better than a 10k current bike imho. But I appreciate it took someone spending 7k and not riding it much for me to basically get a top end brand new bike for shits and giggles. I think current bike prices are hilarious and anyone that can't really faford them buying them to be better/faster is stupid. But...if you can afford them go for it. Like anything, there's a price to keep up with the Jonses. Even if you don't need it or it's not any better.
Jessie is 100% correct! Deodorant/antiperspirant must be applied before every outside ride. You’re not doing it for you or your riding mates. You’re doing for the Ambos and hospital staff that will be caring for you after a decent crash.
ha! I was wheeled into hospital with a broken hip on a day when I hadn't showered for over 24 hours. I dunno if I was smelly, but I lay in the hospital bed with greasy hair for 3 or 4 days. 😄Never again. The next time I'm in an ambulance, I'm gunna be clean, at that includes my socks 😆
I'm in my 50s and riding a bike older than I am. I can get a plethora of parts for it. In fact I can get 'modern' bike tech that actually fits. I can NOT be the only one!
I always check in on Harley and listen to his content. Perhaps not as much as I did, but I’m certainly still a fan. I love his passion and perspectives on the cycling market. I think for a lot of new people to the sport, they might not understand him simply because they don’t appreciate how it used to be 15 to 20 years ago for high end bikes. Either they recall a low end bike they had as kid, or a new bike that now costs $4K+ and needs to be justified. I love light light fast bikes. But I’m 55 and have other interests, so I’m not dropping $4K+ on a bike. But I’ll gladly spend 500 to 1000, build a 6.x Kg 5900 with a 7800 group and be very satisfied. I just think that opportunity will be gone for the 20 to 30 year olds of today, when they get to 55. Currently I ride a Felt Z5, 8050 Di2 and Easton SLXs. I LOVE that bike. Dura Ace 9000s rim brakes with SwissStop pads are not a problem in the wet. It’s not the new tech that’s the problem, it’s the “marginal gains” being implemented for profits in an ever increasing race to nowhere.
I was a newbie in 2019 and had a budget of 3k AUD to buy a new road bike, got a 7.2kg trek Emonda rim brake, and still riding it, and multiple other bikes theses days. What light weight road bike can newbie buy these days for similar money from a bike shop? Sure a $20k bike will be nice to ride, anyone entering the sport these days will likely buy a bike that is actually junk to ride.
Norcal cycling is a great example of getting people to watch/care about a local team. I'm an avid cyclist who really didn't care much about racing until I started watching norcal cycling. That being said, it's more about the races rather than the team.
I’m with you Jesse, I under arm & do a spritz of pour homme, and wouldn’t mind smelling more of it out on the road, lol. People hating on the DR segment, get over it, these guys are all about everything cycling and RU-vid/social media, so naturally he’s gonna be brought up, and DR’s not going anywhere, so don’t hate on the guys for giving it airtime. The boys should be able to put on whoever they like, it’s not about you. Smh.
The level of scamming noobs in cycling today sickens me because so many are falling away from the bike lifestyle because of it. I was working on a 20 year old 5500 today and a I can still get parts for it. If the frame gets snapped in half from a crash I can get a near new one for 100-500AUD. Those bikes ride so we’ll still as well. I drop dudes half my age up climbs on my 20 year old 5500.
Garmin really phoned that one in. Hard to believe they had the balls to make a fuss about it, but I’m sure they’ll sell boatloads. I know the Karoo has a less than stellar battery life but that screen is so good and personally my rides aren’t over 8 hours anyway. Totally agree on the mostly pointless software features Garmin have piled in, especially as it’s just more to go wrong as they roll out firmware updates and the testing requirements become more and more onerous. The prices in the Uk are a total piss-take.
Vlogging format is hard. You need to be a great story teller to succeed. Vegan cyclist is great at it. Cycling Maven was even better, sadly he doesn't vlog nowdays. I think channels focusing on specific topics like training, equipment, bike builds are doing well nowadays instead of vlog formats. Francis Cade is smart enough to notice this development and rebrand his channel.
Here’s my problem.. I had a rim brake F10… loved it.. the ride was amazing to me… I traded it for a Dogma F .. disc brakes… I first thought… “this isn’t as nice to ride”… I even bought back a second hand F10 coz I missed it… Guess what, I never ride it.. the Dogma F is so damn good… Make of that what you will… I also have a mechanical campy rim brake Colnago C60… looks amazing,, never ride that much either 😂
@@tonyt8804 agreed, plus anyone who watches YT is constantly getting new and "improved' bikes videos shown to them. Hard not to get caught up in that pursuit of new/upgrade
I think the lack of progression in the tech space is down to a few different factors. 1. Garmin focusing on tech with a bigger market i.e. watches 2. Wahoo having a hard time financially 3. Bigger tech companies taking the better engineers by offering more $$ leading to less innovation (Garmin has 130+ open engineering positions)
The garmin updates are actually more triathlon focused then actual cyclist. When you do an no drafting event those power targets would be pretty helpful.
You need to change the channel name to Grumpy old men😂😂. Love it though. Agree with the Llama, no point in upgrading a 530 to a 540. Climb Pro, hate all the crap that pops up so I turn it off. I know what power I should be riding to when climbing so don't want Garmin to show some snazzy colours on my screen. Does anyone really give a sh#t what Durian says? The answer is no, they don't. Keep up the elitist criticism of everything, its awesome😊
I have been a bike messenger for 4 yrs, I ride bikes from the early to late 80s every day. The maintenance it takes for them to ride another 6-12 months without service is far, far cheaper than any modern bike would cost. I ride for at least 4-5 hours daily. All weather, including a foot of snow.
I was talking with a friend this morning who said he was got a new element roam and it had a feature that sounds just like the Garmin pacing tool you spoke about. He said he used it only our local climb and managed to get a pb using the feature because it was telling him what power to put out on certain parts of the climb to help beat his pb.
Modern super bikes remind me of sport bikes (motorcycles). I love the look. But, my "road bike" is actually a mechanical 1X gravel bike with road tires.
I disagree this week on the comments about the difficulty of working on modern bikes. Electronic groups are massively easier to maintain than any cable setup. Disc brake pads swap out faster and simpler than rim pads. Cranksets come apart and reassemble in easier ways. Bikes and parts are stamped with torque numbers near every bolt. I can’t think of one thing outside of part compatibility that has gotten more difficult for the home mechanic.
"Disc brake pads swap out faster and simpler than rim pads." Yeah and you have to bleed them and strip callipers every couple of years to keep them clean and not rubbing too, disc brakes are amazing.
@@channul4887 Bleeding is a simple task. 20$ in tools and you spend less than 2 hours a year maintaining them. I come from mountain biking so the upset over disc is just bonkers to me. Back when I had rim brake MTB and road bikes I spent loads more time dealing with alignment and cable tension problems than I ever do with disc issues.
@@Uphill_Pursuit I haven't and I don't know anyone who's ever spent more than three minutes realigning a caliper brake, even a single pivot, unless they didn't know to just wipe and put a drop of oil in the pivot before adjusting.
@@channul4887 You don’t have to bleed them actually. But it’s a very easy process. You should be keeping any brakes clean. Just more nonsense narratives from the grouches.
Bleeding hydraulics is not hard. It's just a different skill set. I hardly ever have to do it more than once a year. Pads are consumable sure but so are rim brake shoes so I don't understand why rim brake fanatics think they're any different. You have your system, you live with its quirks. With regard to electronic shifting: that the shifters themselves are just essentially switches means they will eventually wear out, much like the microswitches on your computer's mouse or trackball. Jom of the Gravel Cyclist channel tackled this. He says he sets up his Di2 buttons to act much like SRAM eTap, so that the right shifter buttons don't wear out disproportionately quicker than the lefts.
I just built up a new disk bike from scratch - with di2, press fit bb and integrated cabling. It’s piss easy! Honestly what is all the fuss about? Just about anything to do with bike mechanics is super easy, even for the home mechanic, unless you need super specialist tools like facing tools. There’s a RU-vid video for everything. I have an old S-works SL4 but went disk for 32mm tyres on bad roads - it’s that simple.
If it were so easy wouldn't everyone work on their own bikes? It's fine if you're mechanically inclined but for those that aren't then you need a good mechanic.
Dr is right in the sense they are trapping people into an eco system like apple does with soft ware for groupsets and owning simple bikes I can maintain myself with rim brakes is simple and cheaper for a commuter. I started watching for the small team race stuff from Netherlands fyi thought it was interesting to see .
I'm having these Instagram cringe reels forced upon me too, they're as close as cycling gets to the fitness vibe but I'm 100% with Chris on this. You know imminently after the video they're back on the hoods catching their breath. Literally any amateur cyclist can stage a professional looking 10 seconds and look like a hero...gah!
Another great ep, love it when Jesse goes no holds barred. Rapha used to sell an ‘embrocation’ which smelt great. Pretty sure Toby used that too. Really feel like an ice cold ginger beer right now…
unfortunately i think the nuance of location gets totally lost in these wide tire / tubeless / disc brake 'controversies' (and it's often not clear if YT creators are aware of conditions other than the ones they ride in). i infrequently ride in oz but, as you say, none of the those seem like necessities. however, all those things are very handy to have riding in countryside UK on crummy laneways and on steep wet descents...
Here’s a topic for you to consider chaps. Should you move to 12 speed if your bikes and parts collection is all 11 speed? I’ve got a 2022 gravel bike and a 2017 Di2 roadie. Both 11 speed. I like to work on my bikes myself and have accumulated a collection of 11 speed drivetrain parts, cassettes etc that I can swap and change. The problem is that I’d like to replace the roadie as it’s getting long in the tooth - but all of the new roadies seem to be 12 speed (but not the new gravel bikes incidentally). I don’t want to have to accumulate both 12 speed and 11 speed parts. I just want to get a nice new 11 speed roadie. Is that asking too much?
sometimes i feel like the only person on Earth who despises the looks, and functionality of modern-day carbon road bikes. never thought i'd have anything in common with DR i will take my 2007 Look 585 with externally-routed Record 10 over any modern-day road bike, and i generally do, almost every time i go out for a ride
Not a fan of durianrider. Don't hate em either, just think that youtubers who just rant (and get praised for it) are 1) a dime a dozen and boring 2) often wrong, even where there might be some validity to the issue that gave rise to the rant. What exactly did we learn from his video anyway?
NPC types like you can learn the truth because you can’t handle to be wrong. That’s what we love Harley is he isn’t afraid to be wrong or to try things first.
@@GetFitwithNatasha I don't know how you'd know anything about me to make such a claim. But anyway, good for durianrider. You might be right, I wouldn't know. But I didn't find his rant persuasive and generally find ranting to mostly be dull and uninformative.
Bought a Cervelo Soloist S1 aluminium - the first 'aero' bike in the peleton - and i built it up without any problems at all using generic components - nice ones though - it has a threaded BB and is a beautiful frame which is tough as old bots when sold the original owner would have had a lifetime guarantee. It is 20 years old and still a quick bike.
Good points. Disc brakes love them or hate them are forced down our throats. Equipment stuff videos and shop videos are way more interesting. Look at GC Performance for example. The stuff he puts out from his shop and the neat things he has are interesting and fun to watch. Hambini is very interesting with his engineering background. Those things will always get more clicks.
He is right. I am on a 2012 Trek Madone rim brake bike with 105 components and hand built DT Swiss wheels and I love it. There is nothing wrong with it. I keep it in good shape. It keeps up with modern aero bikes and not once have I thought oh man I need more brakes. Looking for a new bike now because well its old and replacing things is getting difficult even just a different crank is hard to find (10spd) I really dont like any of the options out there. Every disc brake bike at a reasonable price point is super heavy and clunky. Also I have no need for electronic shifting im not against it it shifts super good but I dont want to have to even think about charging a bike. Keep bikes simple!!!
The points on aesthetics and falling in love with cycling... That's just some nostalgic boomer shit. Of course he loves the look of rim brakes and old school lines because that's what he fell in love with when he started riding. A new rider will have exactly the same love for a disc bike. In 20 years time people will be nostalgic for 2023 disc bikes too. It's a story as old as time. We love things that remind us of our youth.
in an aesthetic sense I agree...but practically speaking, I think there's something to the point that its harder to fall in love with a bike thats so much more expensive and complicated to maintain
@@dollabillwill415 But if you don't know the difference? Car guys say the same things. Ask a guy who was 18 in 1975 who loves big V8 muscle cars about the modern equivalent and he'll piss and moan about how they're run by computers and you can't fix/tune them yourself. Meanwhile he's spending his whole weekend working on his car or broken down on the side of the road. Modern bike tech does need some new skills to be worked on but the new stuff actually works well. My 2020 TCR disc takes basically no maintenance. I top up the tubeless sealant, change the brake pads and chain when needed and drop it off for a full service 2x a year tops. Basically hassle free 🤷🏻♂️
@@KD_cycling completely agree. I honestly don't get the people who complain about the difficulty of maintenance when it's about $30 worth of tools and a couple of youtube videos. I mean, I've gone through 2 sets of rotors and have yet to do a full bleed my bike in the past 4 years (I check every 6 months).
Durianrider used to produce really inspirational content, now it’s just rants about disc brakes or shots of a scantily clad Natasha. Times change and we have to adapt with it, I would say the principle reason for the mass adoption of discs was the mass introduction of carbon wheels. Modern Bikes are also a bit like modern cars, they have got heavier, comfier and have more creature comforts yet go faster, sometimes without feeling subjectively faster. I own both rim brake and disc brake, I ride both and enjoy them equally. The rim brake bike (Dolan Tuono) is stiffer and beats me up a bit on longer rides but feels light and nimble, the disc bike (Roadmachine) feels a little sluggish but is much comfier over longer rides and handles beautifully with a planted reassuring feel that makes the older bike feel a bit clumsy by comparison! I’m also finding it’s often quicker too. Fighting the change will only prolong your frustration, accepting things change is the rule for life that will stand you in good stead over the long term.
Great comment. You know how hard headed roadies are, though...in many ways to their own detriment. Little wonder why gravel is getting more popular, despite roadies picking every single opportunity to deride them.
Also I just realised that traveling by plane with my dogma F is more expensive as u need to have larger box as it is not easy to take out integrated steering out for travel.
So the example of the oversized stem is valid however there are still a bunch of them out there... for example I git one from zipp for my tcr. The actual part is designed with inserts so you can micro adjust the angle of your handlebars but if you leave the shims out it fits perfectly to the overdrive 2 fork.
@@matthew.tamasco I used to think pressfit was awesome...till it wasn't lol I'd rather 200g more and an easy to maintain BB than the creamy clicky can't get out myself bb
When I got my road bike back in 2017 I went out of my way to get disk brakes, this was before disk brakes came to ultegra and dura-ace. Since all my mountain bikes were disk, rim brakes were just stupid idea to me. To this day I have never done maintenance on them other than replace the pads a couple times. Things I can agree with is they are lighter but not enough to impact me and also in a panic brake situation a lock up is more likely but this is at the fault of the rider not the disk brakes.
Chris - 100% with you as a coolaid drinker - Modern bikes just look way better to me. Intergrated cables / discs i prefer the look of them. Disagree on the emotional attachment - My new bike was bought with inheritance from my Grandma. She knew i had been into cycling and enjoyed telling her my stories etc. She left me enough money to buy my dream bike brand. Last year riding around in the Pyrenees i was telling this story to my ride companion for the day and it made me cry both happy & sad tears. I love that bike and it reminds me of my Grandma just looking at it. So its the experiences on the bike and the circumstances around the bike that are the emotional attachment - not just buying any adhoc new bike. Interesting you mention Francis - Would love to see you have him on your channel. That said I actually think he has gone off the boil recently. Been a huge long time fan but i am stuggling with the new studio based stuff he is doing. Instagram Ettiquette - Its self promotion. In another sport i would post up resuults but one of my rules was never post how big the field was. eg: If your 3rd from 4 your still on the podium. I would mentioned class (level) though. eg: AAA 3rd. At bigger events i would even post down to 10th how i did.
I don’t put on deodorant before a ride but I do shower in my kit right after. That way it doesn’t stink in the laundry basket before I can give it a proper wash.
Also saves the kit from being eaten away from sweat. Like you, no deodorant, dunked straight in a bucket with some soap, have a shower, rinse out the kit, hang it...and it's then also usually good for the next day too.
My youth was downhill biking, I'm relatively new to road cycling and was perplexed as to why road bikes took so damn long to go disc! The package just works better in all conditions and you're not ruining your wheels in the process! Love bikes of the modern/tech age 😊
People saying discs are hard to maintain just haven’t tried. Mine never give me any trouble. Same with tubeless - very easy and worth the fewer punctures, lower rolling resistance and better comfort.
Agree with all of these points. I took longer to change to Discs just because of the costs of bikes now - recently got a new bike. Vastly superior performance. I live in the alps and it really makes a difference on descents I go faster with more confidence or mixing it up in traffic. As long as they’re set up properly!
Agree 100%, same boat as an MTB rider and new gravel rider I'd never go back to rim brakes. With the exception of cheap single side cable disc brakes, those things are the worst and come on most entry level bikes, I'd rather a rim brake then!
I get Garmin's move because they can currently crush wahoo. Wahoo's debt just got downgraded to default which means that the company can't operate anymore as it is. Probably need a private equity company to come in and restructure it. Cut costs etc. They will probably cut support and other services.
"Crushing" your main competitor is a very bad move actually. They probably don't want to be a Monopolist and get fines for anti-competitive behavior. It's much more important for Garmin to grow the market of modern bicycle computers. Having a healthy market with lots of models from different brands is very important for that. Basically: That seems like Garmin shooting themselves in the foot.
I think modern bikes are like new cars.. and that’s what the manufacturers want..you can’t fix it yorself, has to go back to the dealer, subscription models, disposable and buy the next new things and throw away the old. I still love rim brakes and have them on my CAA10 and the whole bike, I do also own a 2022 supersix evo team disc and I do love that to but other than the disc brakes is mechanical gearing and love it that way😊😊 🤩🏅🚴 just my opinion
Im very greatful to have listened to durianrider complain about disc brakes and proprietary parts, over the years. I want to be able to work on my bike, and replace and upgrade parts.
Well if you would be open to learning new tech, you can. Or are you trying to say you are still on your Nokia 3310? It's not rocket science to bleed your brakes or adjust your brake pads.
@@benhelder7525 The funny thing is I dont have a dog in the Road bike Disc nonsense. I only have a gravel and MTB. My Gravel/Road bike has 12 speed mechanical disc brakes. I'm not looking for a bike that costs as much as a car and is a pain in the ass to work on. I paid $700 gone 15,000 miles and never had the bike in a shop, and almost everything has been upgraded at this point. I'd say its more of an Iphone 12...
@@benhelder7525 You need to spend time learning and you need to buy more equipment/tools. Not to mention that for under $10000AUD you gonna end up with an 8kg bike.
@@ribbyramone So tell me what 'special' tools I need. Some bleeding kit? You can make that yourself.But by all means keep riding rim break bikes, they are beautiful! I still have my old Colnago Master olympic and I love looking at it with how much craftsmanship it's been manufactured.
i am from Belgium so speak dutch and i watch tour de tietema. Their views already dropped since they switched to other contend but they still do decent with 150k per video. But like you said those arent bangers that pop up on the recommended pages like when they filmed videos at the tour de france those where really nice to watch with a lot of banter between them what made it popular. What makes that they still hit 150k views per video is the way they show how their team works and a lot of inside info what a lot of people dont know about cycling teams but those are weird to watch for one video so it is more regular viewers than ones that join in for one video
I personally think there is a big opportunity for someone to start a channel in or around pro cycling or cycling travel. I think the reason it doesn’t work for most people is they can’t tell a compelling story. I watch allot of cycling, travel, sailing, and vanlife RU-vid And the thing I notice is that the cycling channels don’t seam to be able to tell compelling story’s outside of vegan cyclist. The travel, sailing and vanlife people do a really good job of telling story’s that go from video to video.
Durian is doing it for money. I can’t help but watch him rant even though I don’t agree with most of what he says. The louder and bolder he gets about it, the more views he’ll get
He's a very clever youtuber agreed. Does talk often about not doing it for the money...but no-ones going to waste their time putting up so much content for nothing. Though his youtube presence probably helps his other businesses. Same with any youtube channel, this one included - and they're blatant about - which I actually find more cringe than people that pretend. I'd rather know i'm being lied to than be openly told someone wants to be a sell out.
I have a new SL7 with 9200 di2 - i love it. Im definitely attached; it rides awesome - almost intuitively - it needs nearly no maintenance, and performs so well.
What maintenance do you think you’re skipping with that bike? Rim brake and mechanical bikes aren’t needing constant maintenance, maybe new pads every month or so. The occasional tweak to cable tension. Cleaning is still the biggest hassle by a long shot, stops me riding when it’s wet more than having to get rained on.
@@TheWoogeroo Im not doing any more or any less than with my old Ribble with DA 7900 on. If anything, its less; I dont need to replace gear cables every 2 yrs on the Di2. Replacing brake cables and rim pads is the the same frequency as bleeding hydraulics and disc pads, and take about the same amount of time.
@@TheWoogeroo "Cleaning is still the biggest hassle by a long shot, stops me riding when it’s wet more than having to get rained on." This is why I have a "clunker" version (105 di2) which I can beat on and never clean. 🙂
Great pod as always, I love the format, it's always great to hear the opinions and general bike chat which you don't get on the other channels. I'm a subscriber on Cycling Tom's channel and to be honest most of his stuff can be a little boring. Cycling content is pretty niche as you know and if you were to make content just for elite bike snobs like yourselves (no offence) then you're not going to get views. Where you get clicks and views is targeting the periphery, so people who are new to the sport, people who are looking for advice on how to train or what rides they should be doing each week. Tech comparisons are good for this market because they want to know if buying X will make them a better cyclist or should they invest in Y. They're not going to care if you have a team but they'd like to know how to get onto a team, or to see the work and suffering it takes to get to that level. Just my two cents. Also: rim brakes for the win.
Durianrider, is spot on, once the models are updated the support parts will not be made. The industry has shown this from the past, no support for Di2 10 speed. The new bikes are all proprietary. The bikes will be useless when they wear and break, you will not be able to get parts for your 25k Bianchi RC. Facts!
I've never had huge amounts of money to spend on bikes in last 25yrs so I'm your value for performance punter. So I've always bought decent bikes with good reviews on sale(old stock-old colour scheme 40 to 50%off) and over time swapped out all the parts to make it nearly as good as their top end offering. So stems,seats seatposts, handlebars(sometimes), wheelsets. So being able to easily work on bikes is a must. Semi integrated ok but all integrated cables through hbars and stem too much faff. Proprietary parts no because then I can't choose. I can't research parts from a variety of brands and save up before fitting which for me is most of the fun. I don't mind bleeding my brakes on my mtb but I draw the on my road bike! Ridiculous! Its a road bike. If I'm riding lots of hills I'll take my alloys.
Chris, try this Tyre setup... Front ; 26mm Vittoria Corsa speed TT , Rear; 28mm Vittoria Corsa N-EXT 28mm. You will get nice light front end, more comfortable rear with far better puncture protection. And keeps things aero up front too. 80 to 90 psi should have to rolling pretty slick.
Durianrider is absolutely right but for the consumer things are not that bad imo. You can get a used 2014-2018 road bike mint condition for a very very good price nowadays. So now is still the best time to buy a bike ever value wise. Just not a new one...
The manufacturers have forced the consumer into planned obsolescence. Its not a good place for us to be in. They get to dictate exactly what we use and how we use it. Whatever happened to getting to choose what parts we get to put on our bikes? Things are fine now, but skip forward a handful of years, and the manufacturer moves on from current designs, you can't do anything about it due to proprietary parts. Meanwhile the older bikes with more compatible and interchangeable components, you get to keep things running on your own timeline. And on the topic of the head units... I'm still using my old edge 1000. I honestly have no interest in replacing it since I haven't seen any major improvements other than CLIMBPRO feature, for the software. And in terms of hardware? the screen? Ya, zero improvements.
Kiama local here. This area makes any cyclist honest. Very punishing terrain around kangaroo valley. I also love that it does not matter if you ride disc, rim, aero or lightweight, you will be tested in ever area of fitness. How good is riding these climbs with no one around
I'm not sure I agree that the cycling RU-vid audience doesn't care about small bike racing. They don't care about a team in and of itself, but they absolutely care if you can tell an interesting story and make interesting characters out of the riders. Case in point, NorCal Cycling--Jeff gets 100k+ views on every weekly Alviso crit commentary he posts. So I guess my point is that yes, RU-vid doesn't care about a random bike team -- unless you make the bike team interesting for reasons outside of just the fact that it is a bike team. (Same deal with Vegan and his ride bikes bro team)
I saw a disc brake bike yesterday: it was a 60yr old lady and the bike was a "shopper" type with step over frame and wicker basket on the front. I did have a chuckle. Discs are fine for buckled rims, less mess from brake dust and rain flick from rims, but they really are only performance improving for the harshest of downhills (road and off road.) For most bikes its a gimmick plus what the manufacturer is set up to produce.
No Di-2 for me,just bought an Canyon Ultimate rim brake, have 10 others only 2 with disc,still have super record stuff which still is usable after 40 years, wont see that with Di-2,Ill bend for disc but not elect. shifting,mech shifting is very fast ,di-2 is disposable & expensive junk
A big point on the NEW more expensive bikes/technology is that the price is prohibitive for many of the weekend warriors getting into the hobby. I had sold all my bikes when I had back surgery and now being 50 lbs overweight and wanting to get back into the game it is just really expensive! I bought a new-used 2021 Trek Domane SL7 and it is a good bike but I don't think it rides as good as my 2011 Giant TCR Advanced SL. I am trying to get my hands on an older vintage bike to really compare. To me all the "new" technology is just to make money for the companies because who wants to buy what they already have. People want all the new cutting edge stuff that really isn't much better than what was out in 2015 especially for the average Joe rider.
I know Torque Peak and I love his insights and methods. But when I stumbled upon DurianRider I wasn't sure what to expect and think. But after a few videos and self-reflection on what he said I think DurianRider more than often is spot on with common sense and what I describe as healthy gut feeling. He says what I think as well and don't dare to say. Same with Hambini: This bloke pours out insults and injury to bike companies and he is spot on about the crap that we are supposed to buy for a huge load of money. As a reference I watch channels like GCN, which I love but pretty often realize that their presenters are careful with wording and test results in order not to damage their relationships with their sponsors (the situation of an influencer or employee). 🤨🤔
in the discussion between rum and disk brakes it very much depends on your location and whether you also drive through the winter. I live in the Netherlands and maybe drive closer to 50% in the rain. I recently got a new Pina prince FX with disk brakes and am very happy with it. This cannot be compared to my old dogma 7800 rim brakes. Ok, it is a little heavier, but also much safer.
do you think we could've had proper SRAM/Shimano brake calipers which would accommodate tires up to 35mm if discs weren't pushed so hard? because one of the main reasons i switched to discs was wanting to ride in comfort on 32mm tires
I'm not an expert in cycling economics, but given the fact that the vast majority of bike sales are E-Bikes (Touring and MTB), then normal touring and commuter bikes, then MTBs and then road bikes. And not every MTB or road cyclist is performance orientated and ownes a bike computer. I think the market is relatively small and doesn't allow for big R&D budgets to develop the next big thing.
You guys are DR Sheep. To say “there’s no emotional attachment to modern bikes” is the silliest thing I’ve ever heard. I bought my “modern bike” 2 years ago, have put 20k miles on it, and I still can’t wait to ride it tomorrow. It literally motivates me to ride more. Try thinking for yourselves for a minute.
@@tccycling bro you wouldn’t last 2 minutes riding with us 3 once the pace got lit 😂❤. STOP pretending you are as experienced or qualified to give real world advice. Just admit you got finessed by marketing brands who also happen to sell bicycles.
@@durianriders what a dumb thing to say. Never claimed to be a pro level racer, or tried to give anyone advice. I just called out the ridiculous nonsense I heard. You guys make these idiotic claims for no other reason than to flame everyone. Keep on spewing for views!
I disagree that its hard to fall in love with the sport of cycling because it’s hard to fall in love with today’s bikes. WHAT?!!! 😮 Look, if Durian Rider and others consider themselves purists whose position is always to resist and be against everything new, that’s fine. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And for me, today’s bikes are absolute works of art. There’s no comparing a fully integrated aero disc brake bike to its earlier predecessors. And if it’s performance we’re talking about, i don’t hear any of the pros complaining.
I have a $7,000 motorcycle, but it was designed back in 2008. Nothing has been changed in the design since that time. Bike frames amd components have been rapidly evolving. At least in the MTB world where I exist. Plus they have to make every bike in 4 different sizes. My motorcycle only comes in one size, and i just have to struggle with it.
Every RU-vid tries to fill a specific part of the market. Every one wants to have a brand, be known for something. Durianrider segment is the one talking trash about disc brake and new bikes. His market is with older people saying "yeah, in the good old days it is when times were good". Just that. I for once asked RU-vid to not show me his videos.
@@durianriders you cater for your audience. It's totally fine. If its not disc, is prices. If not prices, is electronics. It's the grandpa style talk about how good was back in the day. Usually, older people cater better for that type of style. It's smart given that societies are getting older and living longer. Your market size is probably getting bigger.
This is a dumb comment but i dont see anything wrong with having a new style bike and an old style bike. I have a 22 domane, and a 23 felt AR. At the same time i have a steel frame with rim brakes. Also i have 2 hard tail mtn bikes. I ride all of them. So i think its ok to do a bit of it all. Works for me. I dont have a car. Havnt for 20 years now. So if i want to go somewhere, im ridn. And i can pick the bike i need for the conditions that ill be in. If i have to go somewhere thats in a sketchy neighborhood, i ride the steel frame.
On the 80 mm rims. I would rather be able to carry my weapons to have them then to throw them away because I'm weak. Get strong enough to carry your weapons.
Not that long ago, I raced the same frame for 10+ years…everything was “standard” so it was no problem to periodically replace the stem, or BB, or headset or whatever else wore out and needed to be replaced/upgraded. I could do all repairs myself with only a few simple tools. I now have 0% interest in any new bike, because even if I could manage the repairs myself (which would require an investment in quite a few new, specialized tools) and figuring in the manufacturers planned obsolescence, I’m likely to have trouble finding the proprietary parts that would work with a frame that’s only a few years old!
