Is Ecumenism a Waste of Time? 

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I went to school with Muslims and other faith groups and had periods to learn about God in our own ways. It was the best times of my life. Thanks Father Casey. May God keep blessing your ministry.

@TraditionalCatholicthoughts Salvation of Jesus Christ doesn't come from a building in Rome. Comes from God PERIOD. I could never Catholic . I would have to hate my country?

@TraditionalCatholicthoughts As much as I believe that Catholicism holds the fullness of Truth, I don’t think your approach is appropriate, though your tone is indeed benign and you have good intentions. Perhaps re-consider the main issue that you want to bring up when evangelising the Truth? Salvation, though can be effective, is more often than not a very sensitive topic that can appear to be offensive to some. Try probing them with the issue of the Eucharist, perhaps? It is a sacrament that is very dear to the heart of many Catholics, cradle and converts alike. To me, it is a major reason why I’ve remained a Catholic, and why I have reconnected to the Lord in ways never before. Thank you for reading this, I hope you would consider my suggestion.

If you don't protest serious error can you call yourself a protestant. Christ name be hallowed no mixture.

“bruh” : a common response to the increasingly messed up world

You can view Shahram Hadians YT on Chrislam. His YT is 5 years old and addresses the incompatibility of Islam and Christianity. Shahram was shunned by many top Christian leaders due to the Ecumenical movement promoted by many at the time. To wit, Yales document A Common Word Between Us and You which was signed by many leading Christian and Muslim leaders including Rick Warren among others. Shahram has since been vindicated. Recent works by Christian apologetics have imo have completely debunked the fraud of Mohammed and Islam. This has mainly occurred within the past year due to critical investigation of both coupled with Muslim apologetics forced to recently admit the Quran was not perfectly preserved and due to the fact that Arabic Christians are now active and are top apologists. Leading Christian YT apologetics are... Jay Smith (Pfander Films) Al Fadi (CIRA International) David Wood (Acts17Apologetics and Infinity Apologetics) Sam Shamoun (Shahmounian) Christian Prince (Christian Prince and various YT channels) Rob Christian (Rob Christian) Hatun Tash (DCCI Ministries)

The point is we seem to act more scornful to eachother then the ocean of atheists and islam. Like game of thrones characters fighting eachother with a sea of whitewalkers coming

I am cantholic and I am inspired by protestants, you are in favour of God and followers of Jesus. And thats what is taught in our Church - we are no better then protestants,. Why we we call ourselveves "us" and protestants "them"? Because we are corrupted humans.... Otherwise it would be just "us".

Very similar to a conversation that I had with a young Berber man in the Casablanca train station. A random street cat had wandered in, climbed onto my lap, and gone to sleep. While I wasn’t sure if this man spoke any English, I gave it a go, after noticing him laughing about the cat, and said, “Believe it or not, it’s not actually my cat!” The young man laughed, and said, “You speak English? You blend in with your beard, and you look like you could be Turkish!” We talked for awhile, mostly about our respective faiths, while I was busily stealing the free WiFi in the train station, to find last minute lodging after my Airbnb host canceled on me. Four years later, I’m still Facebook friends with him, and I still have an open invite to visit and stay with his family in their village!

Actually, that is a Catholic heresy to respect other religions. Just talking with some muslim doesn't tell you their doctrines anymore than talking to a random catholic, since they may not know theology, they know what is required for their station in life. You have no spiritual bond with a muslim, to say that is heresy. Only Catholics have a spiritual bond through having the same faith.

WOW. Very well put ! I been saying for years that many of these evangelical churches look more like nightclubs than churches. And just like nightclubs they cater only to the very young. Not that I have a problem with youth groups. They are good and have a important place. But it is like these Protestant churches exclude anyone over 35 it seems. Granted someone who is elderly and never been to church likely never will. But the church still must cater and reach out to ALL ages.

however you can get Gods message across.

So Praising God means? Speaking Latin? Whats else? Believing Im literally eating flesh and blood? The Assumption of Mary that Mary was super magic and had no Sin? ? Mary (Human Female )got magically pregnant - I Think Ill stay in reality and view the Bible as rational , logical , reasonable and whats plausible , Rather than a Harry Potter magic book.

@@roboparks or Arabic

@Ahin Johny Then why isn't called the "Truth of Mary"? assumption (n.)Latin use (Cicero). Meaning "action of taking for oneself" is recorded from 1580s; that of "something taken for granted" Noun(1) a statement that is assumed to be true and from which a conclusion can be drawn(2) a hypothesis that is taken for granted(3) the act of taking possession of or power over something(4) celebration in the Roman Catholic Church of the Virgin Mary's being taken up into heaven when her earthly life ended; corresponds to the Dormition in the Eastern Orthodox Church(5) (Christianity(6) audacious (even arrogant(7) the act of assuming or taking for granted

Nice! I'll keep you three in my prayers. :)

It’s great be to able to serve as a good example and bring people closer to the true faith. But I don’t see a point in being “proud” about being a Catholic. Pride, really?

@@matoberry my brother I don't mean that type of pride , Just glad I belong to Catholic relugion

That means the pastor never shared the gospel to them. At the heart of the gospel is exclusivity: that Jesus is the only way to salvation.

The only "children of Abraham" are Christians. If you don't know Our Lord, you don't know Abraham. This is what Our Lord Explains in John 8. If you do not worship Him, you are not a child of Abraham. Open and shut case, because God shut the case. He told us this. Read the chapter

In John 8, 33Jesus is speaking to fellow Jews. Did you forget that Jesus is a Jew? The disciples were Jewish. In fact the book of Acts describes how many of the Church Fathers said you had to be circumcised before you could join the Church. Please study further.

Also please read Hebrews Chapter 11

​@@Rytchord Are you being serious? Your heresy is the entire reason for Paul writing the letter to the Galatians who held to the same heresy that you hold to. 2 Behold, I Paul tell you, that if you be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.3 And I testify again to every man circumcising himself, that he is a debtor to the whole law.4 You are made void of Christ, you who are justified in the law: you are fallen from grace.5 For we in spirit, by faith, wait for the hope of justice.6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision: but faith that worketh by charity.7 You did run well, who hath hindered you, that you should not obey the truth?8 This persuasion is not from him that calleth you.9 A little leaven corrupteth the whole lump.10 I have confidence in you in the Lord: that you will not be of another mind: but he that troubleth you, shall bear the judgment, whosoever he be.11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? Then is the scandal of the cross made void. Galatians 5:2-11 15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. Galatians 6:15 But contrariwise, when they had seen that to me was committed the gospel of the uncircumcision, as to Peter was that of the circumcision.8 (For he who wrought in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, wrought in me also among the Gentiles.)9 And when they had known the grace that was given to me, James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship: that we should go unto the Gentiles, and they unto the circumcision:10 Only that we should be mindful of the poor: which same thing also I was careful to do.11 But when Cephas was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. Galatians 2:6-11 Are you seriously suggesting that Our Lord's religion is the exact same as the Pharisees who founded Orthodox Judaism? That Christianity is not the religion of Christ but the religion of the Jews who reject him? The Jews no longer have a covenant with God, they have lost it. God's people are now his Church. What about Hebrews 11? Hebrews 11 is a testament to the works of faith, faith in *Christ Jesus.* Not in the Talmud which is blasphemous.

Murray Heresy, the circumcising issue was settled agreed, to say that Jesus is Jewish is not because He is. Jesus is out of the house of David that is the prophecy. Or are you saying Jews are not the seed of Abraham.

Not going to work. Muslims aren't going to respond to attempted conversion. In fact, they are on the same conversion mission, thus you just rule each other out.

@@TimothyRCrowe Jesus says to take the Good News to the world. Tim Crowe says it won't work. Jesus says the Word never comes back void. Tim says it won't work. With all due respect, Imma follow Jesus.

Yes, I agree that only Christ is the only Way, that is what the Church teaches us! But also, the Body of Christ, his Church, is radically one. And so, unity and cooperation of goodwill among all Christians is precisely rooted in the unity of His one catholic and apostolic Church.

Nope. Do you realize that pretty much every single religion can say the same thing about their religion? What makes your belief the only true and right one? I'm a buddhist practitioner. I know and understand that unless you take refuge in the three Jewels, you will suffer again and again in Samsara. However, we need to undertand that no two persons are equal, why should their faiths be then? Embrace religious diversity.

@@Grumpy27n23 If you drive people away with that attitude they will never hear the Good News.

Justin well said

Gospel Simplicity thanks man.

And that's why debates are necessary.

Shalom!

La Haim...From a Torah & Zohar Loving Roman Catholic, John, In a small Town in rural Southern Missouri.

'Salvation is from the Jews'. The New Covenant: the spiritual homeland for the Jews is Holy Mother Church and heaven.

@John Coffey I agree that the Gospel needs to be preached with love in Truth. We can't effectively preach if OUR understanding of THEIR faith is inaccurate and "polemical". The problem is that modern ecumenism has definitely degenerated into a form of syncretism in line with the goals of the NWO. It's basically Rodney King's maxim "Why can't we all just get along", and sees religious differences as obstacles to "world peace" and a "one world government". In that atmosphere, Truth is sacrificed to a fake "peace".

No they don't. Not everyone has the same route to God.

Catholic and Orthodox are the two lungs in the same body!

@@guisan-jl8ix Not quite. If we were, we would still be in communion and wouldn't have very real differences in ecclesiology and how Bishops are elected. They are not appointed by a "super Bishop". They are elected by a Holy Synod, and are are ordained by multiple Bishops, in a "conciliar manner". There are also certain dogmas like Papal supremacy (immediate universal jurisdiction), Papal Infallibility, the Immaculate Conception, Purgatory, etc, in which Traditional Orthodoxy can't accept, unless they are, at least, restated to resolve those differences. BTW the 2 lung theory is just a restatement of the "branch theory" that was advocated by the Anglicans back in the 50's. In reality, it's either Roman Catholicism, with its Papacy, is true, or Orthodoxy and its "communion of local Churches", who share a common faith, submit to a common "Holy Tradition", including our chief hierarchs, AND are in communion with each other, is true. In Orthodoxy, the Holy Mysteries (Sacraments) belong to the Church, and aren't seen as a Bishop's personal "chrism", which he "keeps", even if he is a heretic and is formally condemned. Don't let Rome's "ecumenical enthusiasm" fool you, and don't assume that Orthodoxy shares the same theology as Rome, and is equally enthusiast by a "reunion" that doesn't address these differences, though there are segments in Orthodoxy that do, namely Ecumenical Patriarch Barfolomew, the "Green Patriarch". YUK!

@@pravolub8 oh boy the blood of sack of Constantinople still drive you to hate the See that holds the keys of saint Peter.

@@louellecaldino506 You have it all wrong. I don't have a problem.addressing historical "wrongs", like the sack of Constantinople. We've done our share of them as well, and apologies are accepted. I talking about the REAL theological differences that Ecumenists, on both sides, want to minimize or ignore, for the sake of a "false union", which in good conscience, ANY good Catholic or Orthodox shouldn't ignore. "Pachamama" should sound off some warning bells for you about the nature of modern Ecumenism.

@@pravolub8 let me clarify those who are not in union with the See of Peter are not Orthodox and totally not Catholic. You even add more books in the canon of scripture that contradict the councils before. All The teaching of the Church are held and thought by the church fathers and apostles. You need to see the truth or you choose to be blind due to your arrogance or ignorance.

Ecumenism is nonsense. There is No Salvation Outside the Church. Ecumenism gives the impression that all religions are equal. They are not! Catholicism is superior!

@Alex Carlson transfiguration or transubstantiation? Transfiguration is when Jesus's appearance changed. When God told the apostles to lead, gave them the keys to the kingdom and he wouldn't let the church fall, he gave Peter a special title. Peter's position has been passed down after his death as the bishops of Rome aka the Pope. He is not God. All structures benefit from leadership, and the church is no different. Yes, God guides and protects the church from total failure, but having a person to help lead is not wrong and he is not God. He sins like the rest of us. Mary gave birth to Jesus and had great faith. The early church fathers believed she was always a virgin and was taken up to heaven. The saints are God's people. The faithful including those living and those who are in heaven are all God's people. God told us to pray for one another, and this commandment doesn't need to stop simply because someone died, so we pray for one another. Prayer is communication. Saints are not God and they shouldn't be prayed to as God, but we can request them to pray for us as we pray for them. Of course we do not need the saints to pray, but God told us to pray for one another and we are community-based creatures. He gave us this resource. Shouldn't we use it? Mary is one of them too. You may ask, how can we know who is in heaven? Well we know the Bible says many prophets are in heaven. It also says martyrs have a special place in heaven somewhere, and also Jesus told the thief he'd be with him in paradise. We know of a few confirmed people in heaven because of this. Any more questions? I have a question for you. What faith are you from? I'm catholic.

Ummm, I don't know why, but, I rather enjoyed the b'ground music; nicely done and soft enough not to be to distracting. Thanks much Fr. Casey. Y'all Be Safe!

When did Christ call you to be Catholic? Don't let the Church organization indoctrinate you. You should be looking to The Bible for your answers and guidance.

Ah yes the traditions of the church. Like the inquisition, witch hunts, racism, molesting children, enriching themselves at every opportunity...

@@carpediem5232 you misunderstand what the word "Tradition" means in Catholicism. None of what you said has anything to do with Tradition. The only close one is the Inquisition but even that is only a part of Tradition in its office, not in its action.

@@rekeinserah The catholic church started with the killing and forceful conversion of other Christians (Arians etc.) and then pagans who didn't share the same interpretation. Yes there are Catholic Tradition (capitalized) he wrote "traditions of the church". I responded to the latter. You can tell me what you understand under Catholic Tradition and I'll respond to that also.

@@carpediem5232 The Church is a hospital for the sick. If you take this kind of reasoning you’ll end up questioning why Jesus picked Judas as a disciple. God works through broken people, a broken world. That does not make the killing of pagans right, but it does allows us to differentiate between the awful actions of some in the Church from actual Church teaching and Tradition. God bless.

Heresy of heresies

Brother, you are actually doing what Jesus requested of ALL of His disciples. Live the Christ life in such a way that our words, actions, mind, heart and soul line up in conformity with Jesus operating in and through us and bring glory to God. That, is what God uses to love your friend into His kingdom. You are on the right path. Ecumenism used to mean when all CATHOLIC parts of The Body came together (As an Ecumenical Body/Council) to discuss CHURCH thoughts, issues, needs, work etc. Now ecumenism means Catholics having a conference with non-catholics and pretending we are all one big happy family and everyone is going to heaven in whatever way they "FEEL" is right for them. Ever hear of "you have your truth and I have my truth" (aka relativism... fancy word for everyone is their own god and decides for themselves). I have a funny feeling if Jesus showed up at a modern ecumenical event, He might kick some tables over because the Catholics there have done one thing in the name of relativism: cloaked the Gospel in a mantle of confusion. I could be wrong, but my gut says otherwise. Might be bit of underdone potato, I'm just a catholic of no reputation trying to follow Jesus in my bit of this crazy postmodernist world.

Well Muslims accept Jesus as the messiah so I’d say they as much if not more In common with Christians than Jews.

Amen

Those leaving the church know why they do so? I am NOT going to find Jesus (God) somewhere else just because there are ‘sinners’ in my Catholic Church! Pagans are sinners, aren’t they? Spread the good news to all God chooses as He wills, I believe.

Jesus engaged in dialogue with the woman at Jacob's well. She explained the difference between her people and the Jews, and Jesus explained the truth in a way that led her to conversion. I'd call that a fruitful ecumenical dialogue in which Jesus was clearly engaged.

In order to evangelize you have to engage in dialogue with paeans and non believers.

The way “engaging in dialogue “ is used here in this video is a friendly exchange of ideas and personal beliefs. Jesus did NOT engage in such talk. He “Spoke with authority,” as no one of his hearers, be they Pharisees or Sadducees or pagans had ever heard. Jesus is the TRUTH, as He is the only Way to God the Father, and He is the Life everlasting, gift of the Holy Ghost. When He spoke to the Samaritan woman He was converting her. His questions were as arrows to her soul, to probe her heart so as to prepare the way for her conversion. He opened her understanding and heart to the Truth, to Himself. The apostle and missionaries of old did this and the Gospel spread throughout the world like wildfire. Now, the “ecumenical spirit “ of the post Vatican II Church brings us empty pews and the pachamamas. And worldwide the Protestant denominations are vacuuming up what’s left of once vibrant Catholic nations. Look no further to any Latin American country to see our declining numbers. Sad.

Not professing a faith should have negative consequences. Everyone has a faith. People would not get out of bed in the morning without the faith that getting out of bed would make their lives better. Not professing a faith usually means not knowing what one's actual faith is. Ignorance almost always has consequences.

@@jwrosenbury Yes, of course, “people would not get out of bed without the faith that getting out of bed would make their lives better”. I thought that it was clear from the context I set that I was using the expression “professing a faith” as a conventional shorthand for “professing a faith in a belief system with essential supernatural entities or phenomena“ or, if you prefer, “professing a ‘religious’ faith”. As part of our common humanity I have, for example, faith in the universal validity of the Golden Rule ... and will “profess” this faith. I trust you are not suggesting that my or anyone else’s “not professing a ‘religious’ faith“ (i.e. failing to be persuaded of the supernatural) ... “should have negative consequences”. Then, we would again be on the path to persecuting ‘heretics’.

@@shaber9 It is difficult to know someone's faith without communicating with them. Most people have faith in usefulness. By that I mean they define the world by how they use things in it. A person might easily recognize a table as somewhere to set things for example. Some people have faith in science. They might define a table as being a certain height, being made of a certain material, etc. Engineers are like that. Religious people often believe in sacrifice. A table becomes an alter where we give something of value in the hope of a new world. This belief in sacrifice is a surprisingly common pattern of thought in all cultures throughout history. In fact it seems to be a defining trait of humans. Drawing a line and saying you believe in the golden rule, but not "religion" seems like an arbitrary way to divide the world to me. Do you see the sacrifice the golden rule requires? Doesn't that make it a religion? Or is "religion" just unfounded superstition that other people believe in to you?

Agreed! But also, in true Christian fashion, the brave and prudent among us may be able to use these moments to teach and correct, and perhaps even learn a bit themselves

Bismillah, I am a Roman Catholic Christian like Fr. Casey, I think that He may be suggesting that in Interfaith Dialogue, We can learn more when We share what is important about our Faith to others. Don't hide it to smooth over differences but maybe We can learn from each other, While solidly remaining in our Chosen Faith. Allah Akbar! Subhan Allah!, John

If you may, I would rather propose the writings of St Thomas Aquinas, St François of Assise and St François Xavier

Read all of them, Bishop Barron draws from them and approaches the modern world in a relevant way. So it’s definitely enriching

@@bpcathcrusader4952 the Church IS the world. Outside of It there is no modernism or else but chaos and destruction.

Do not throw your Perls to the swine

Glad to see a Hindu here

The chaplain part is really beautiful. God bless them!

You nailed brother. Beautifully said.

Now now. It also recognizes that reasons has limits. It isn't on the same level as God's Grace. In fact, the reason we can know God through reason at all is due to His Grace.

​@@dmitriykinzhebulatov Reason does have its limits which is why we need divine revelation. But reason can take us as far as coming to know who has divine revelation. The normal man who does not even know that God exists either lacks the power of reason or, having reason, lacks something normal, necessary, and natural to men. His ignorance is vincible. And it is his own fault, and/or the fault of the men around him - not of God - that he is ignorant even of God. Sufficient grace for even knowledge of God cannot be wanting.

Very interesting and good points! I may not agree completely, but I nod to a lot of your points. Personally, I don't have a very good answer to those questions yet. But I think that ecumenism really is more for developing goodwill and deepening one's faith and reason. One could also propose that ecumenism and apologetics are two sides of the same coin! That they should always go together. I also feel that there needs to be a correction of people who distort or misunderstand the purpose of ecumenism.

Hey fam! He actually did a video on the dogma in this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8d5nZ3qdVtU.html

I'm not entirely sure what that question has to do with this video... The point of Ecumenism and interreligious dialogue is not to deny our faith or accept others', but to grow in understanding (and maybe even evangelize.) That said, the historical line that you quote requires an understanding of its cultural context. I made a video about it a few years ago: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8d5nZ3qdVtU.html

The doctrine has been interpreted a couple different ways throughout Church history, but the view espoused by the catechism is that (1) only the Catholic Church has the FULLNESS of salvation and truth, but many faiths have “seeds of the Word” that still have some lesser truth and salvific power-especially other branches of the Abrahamic and Christian family tree, as all Abrahamic faiths worship the one true God, and all trinitarian Christians at least have a valid Baptism if no other sacraments (some have more, others have less) so are members of Christ’s mystical body even if they are born into an atrophying limb of that body not receiving the full blood required to sustain it. (2) When the doctrine was first formulated it was formulated with the idea that all the ends of the Earth had already heard the good news, so everyone was making a conscious or unconscious choice to be or not be Christian (since the Catholic Church was the only Christian Church in Europe at the time) as our view of the world has widened, it has become ever the more clear that the Christian message has not reached many places and been garbled or misinterpreted to the point of unrecognizability in many others, and someone who is legitimately ignorant of the truth of Christianity, either by not knowing the gospel period or by knowing only a crude, unpersuasive straw effigy of the Church constructed by the Church’s enemies (such as the impressions of the Church that many atheists and protestants are fed) God will not punish them for their ignorance; but of course if someone realizes the Catholic Church is the one true Church, they have a moral duty to act on that knowledge if they wish to be saved. (3) We really have no idea about what will happen salvation-wise with regards to the second coming, second march through Hell and final judgement, and while it will be “very soon” we also know it has been “very soon” for over 2000 years. We only know they will happen and that God is perfectly loving and perfectly just, that the Church will be perfected with him, and that Sin will be vanquished forever. And while there will likely still be “outside the Church...no savation” who will be part of that finally transformed Church is another question entirely, one we cannot answer in this life.

IONATVS this man is spittin’! Thank you for explaining so clearly!

​@@IONATVS Notice how you don't even cite anything. Just your own opinions. Here is what the church rather says. No, there are no seeds in other faiths, they might have some truth to them, but everyone in them is saved despite them, not because of them. The gods of the Gentiles are demons. The others are heresies and schisms. “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.) “The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) Invincible ignorance is indeed a thing, but even if the person thinks that it might be so and refuses to look more into it, they no longer have it. Also, you know we don't refer to salvation as being the second coming. What are you even talking about? Quote something at least, you are not the Church, nor are you the pope.

Explain to me this - I am a member of the Church of England. The Church of England doesn't accept the Marian doctrines of Immaculate Conception, The Assumption or her intercession. We do not accept the doctrine of transubstantiation in Holy Communion. We believe clergy should be allowed to marry and have families if they so wish. We don't believe in purgatory. We don't believe in indulgences. We don't believe in praying to saints who intercede for us. That is a small part of what we differ on. So, please explain to me, how I a member of the Church of England will ever be united with your Roman Catholic Church? I look forward to your reply very soon.

You seem to be under the mistaken belief that this is the only life we have, and that syncretizing does not risk the next.

This RU-vidr... And father... And guy. Is very diplomatic in almost everything he talks about. It is very sad to see such a comment section even here. I have rediscovered Catholism and prayer through the Divinum Officium this year but... I don't even want to dare saying my heartily faith in here.

I always appreciate your comments and thank you for your willingness to be vulnerable with your questions about. Certainly there are commenters that I would prefer just remain silent. Just to clarify what I may have said back then (for your sake and for others who may read this): I think that Catholicism professes the fullness of truth and that it is universal to all peoples. Everyone can find a home in it and I hope everyone does. My suggestion that Catholicism might not be a good fit for you was simply an acknowledgment of your current state in life and particular questions, not a suggestion of relativism or deficiency of Catholicism. My thought were that, right now, joining the Church may not be the best thing for you. In the future, however... as you grow, as we grow in our ability to answer your specific questions a bit better, I think that you could find the ultimate answer to all of the most important questions here.

Even I, who am a Catholic, feel annoyed when Catholics do that in RU-vid comments, almost more than when Protestants do it. Can't you be interested in something without wanting to convert?? Besides, who ever converts because someone said so? "Catholicism have the fullness of truth", great, but shouldn't that be something people _discover_ instead of a catchphrase to feel orthodox? I'm happy to have you as a "guest" in "Catholic land". I hope you can ignore them without feeling too uncomfortable, and that you might convert *only* if someday you're freely convinced our faith is true. PS: Just finished reading "Catholics and Protestants: what can we learn from each other" by Peter Kreeft. By Protestants he means Evangelical/low church Protestantism, and you have to be aware it's written for Catholics, so it can feel a bit condescending for a Protestant. But I love and recommend it!

@@jayjaykay111 No offense but this looks like the entire reason why Romans and Orthodox broke up. (I say looks, haven't actually studied the history of where we F'd up as a continent)

@@jayjaykay111 oh I'm transgender. Or more precisely I've been diagnosed with gender dysphoria. I actually haven't actually transitioned due to having struggled due to a disability caused by an accident for a little bit and of course trying to figure out what role God plays in all of this. And I'm, as of March, an involuntarily restricted Mormon.

And many Eastern Catholic still have the mass of St John of Chrysostome. It is Superb.

Jaime Gabriel Trazo thank you!