Is Finland an Ally of Nazi Germany? - Carl Gustaf Mannerheim - WW2 Biography Special 

8:34 YES YOU MENTIONED US!

@@luxembourgishempire2826 we were hoping you'd share the heat with us on this one?

While listening to a recording is informational, your programs have become more educational, at least to me. Please do a special report on this secret recordings...

If you haven't already read it, I recommend you to read Marshall Mannerheim's Memoires. Yes, they are subjective, of course, but they also give you a good picture of one of the most important period in Finland's history: the period from 1917 until 1945.

It also shows the complete lack of intelligence the germans had of soviet matters. "If a general had come to me and said "the soviets have 35000 tanks", i would've declared him insane. Yet here were are, 35000 confirmed tank kills later, _and they still have tanks_" For reference, that's more then half of what the entire axis would produce during the war, this early in the war- the total would rise to triple that for the USSR alone.

Säkkijärven Polkka and Mika's BT-42 intensifies...

TORILLE

Ny mennään!

TORILLE PERKELE

@@gunman47 tämä kommenttikenttä kuuluu suur suomelle! :D (finnish)

*Very confused ideoligical warfare*

Four of them were offered iron cross, which they did not accept.

@Fabian Kirchgessner although ironically Jews in Palestine worked with the Nazis to kill Walter Guinness during the war

@@McSlobo Wow, interesting. Do you have the name or the source so that I can read more about this

@Fabian Kirchgessner Es ist schon echt creepy, dass wir uns immer treffen 😄

Wonder why.

Who wants to be a Soviet citizen anyways?

@@FakeAssHandsomeMcGee_ Mongolians ? lol

@@FakeAssHandsomeMcGee_ Some people would be

Well, they would've faced similar treatment as the baltic people. Persecution, mass deportations, executions & living in horrible conditions at collective farms as 2nd class citizens.

We are very loyal to our own, that clearly shows it :)

This is the way

Imagine wanting to join the reds

@@Superlegend56 After they have invaded youre homes and killed people you know.

Yeah, it's like Soviets: "Hey, we totally took over this place, you're welcome to join us! If you wanna remain Finns, you can leave." Finns: "Thanks, bye!" Soviets: "... well crap."

Mannerheim - "May the hand that signs this paper (The Russian peace treaty) wither away!" He had a stroke a while later, which paralyzed that hand.

@@craiga2002 One of the few men Stalin actually respected!

@@craiga2002 wasnt that Kyösti Kallio, the president of Finland during Winter War that said that?

@@ristusnotta1653 Indeed it was Kyösti Kallio.

@@craiga2002 Kyösti Kallio after he signed the peace treaty with the Soviets after the Winter war

69 likes is too good to break.

@@aahpuuh understandable, have a nice day.

@@peltimies2469 thank you, sir.

I see now how one could not want to side with Germany, although knowing now what the Soviet Government was doing previously to WWII to it's own citizens. ( The Gulag) being neutral between two monsters would be a very tough situation.

Don't see how a guy who is also named Emil could possibly be bad

Very well put

“Our enemy’s enemy ....”.

or UK and USA being Stalinists. To put it more on same frame of "you allied with a mass murderer". Yeah we Finns did. So did freaking everybody. Since one major player on both main sides was a mad mass murdering dictator. Only about clean people in this conflict were the neutrals so far away everyone left them alone. So say South Americans and some Africans as far as I understand. Oh and those neutrals who just got run over immediately. They also didn't ally with mass murderer, instead they got conquered by a mass murderers. Everyone else was allied to mass murdering Germans and/or mass murdering Japanese or allied with Mass murdering Soviets.

@Fabian Kirchgessner After a failed Communist coup attempt in the 1920s in Bulgaria, there were persistent rumours that the police fed some of the participants alive into a furnace in headquarters. I don't think it was proved but certainly some of the arrested were never seen alive later. Later an arrested Communist leader, Traicho Kostov, was tortured, then taken back to his cell. The police took him out for another session and he managed to break away and flung himself down two or three storeys in a suicide attempt. He survived but the spinal injuries left him hunchbacked. Fascist - I would say so.

@@aritakalo8011 FDR was a legit complete socialist though

I totally agree with you; a cool analysis without excessive cynicism - I enjoyed watching it.

As a American with Finnish heritage it is a lesson on survival real world!

@@l.a.raustadt518 Agreed.

Wrong! The winter war was already over. This was a new war and Finns were the friends and allies of the Nazi Nation! Finnish President Carl Gustaf Mannerheim named the Nazi soldiers in a letter to Adolf Hitler: "Our German brothers-in-arms..." Obvious, Finland was an ally of the criminal Nazi nation and also took part in the raid on the Soviet Union in 1941. The Finns fought side by side with these criminal mass murderers. Finland did this to conquer territory. Apparently Finland not only wanted the lost territories of the Winter War of 1940, but also wanted to take other territories away from the Soviets. The Finnish parliament declared that the aim of the war was to restore the areas lost during the winter war and to gain more areas in the east in order to create a Greater Finland. President Ryti said this to the Finnish Parliament in 1941. By September 1941, the Finns recaptured the territories lost in the Winter War. However, the Finnish Army continued the offensive past the pre-1939 border with the conquest of Soviet territories, as well as halting only around 30-32 km (19-20 mi) from the center of Leningrad, where they participated in besieging the city by cutting its northern supply routes and digging in until 1944. The Finnish fleet also participated in the sea blockade of the city. It would have been terrible if the Nazi Nation had won together with the Finns the 2nd world war. This victory would have meant the destruction of the Soviet Union and various genocides against the Slavic peoples of the Soviet Union. But also elsewhere they would have exterminated the Slavs, for example in Poland, whereby they would also have exterminated certain nonslavic nations. It's a fact that the attack of 1941 served to support the Germans in completely destroying the Soviet Union. The Finns also knew what the Germans were doing, because they were there at the siege of Leningrad. In addition, the Finns also supported the German attack on the Soviet city of Murmansk and tried to besiege this city together with the Germans. The Finns wanted more than just to retake the lost territories. The Finns wanted to benefit from the expected German victory over the Soviet Union and additionally conquer more Soviet territory. To win, the Finns supported the Nazi nation in the criminal siege of Leningrad, which was part of the racist war of annihilation against the Slavic population of the Soviet Union. Because the siege was intended to exterminate the population of Leningrad. That's why 1 million people died in Leningrad largely by starvation. Mostly civilians. Which shows that the Finns didn't care that millions of civilians died in this war. The Finns also attacked and besieged Murmansk together with the Germans, which was definitely not a Finnish city either. That is why Great Britain declared war on the Finns and attacked Finnish troops with bombers too. Finland was so the enemy of liberators of Europe because Finland has allied itself with absolute evil.

"East Karelia has never been a part of Finland" 😂 Of course it has.. Karjala have been there before swedish and russians even...

@lati long Indeed, and they paid a price for that in the "Winter War". And, during the "Cold War", there was something called "Finlandization" were, on a regular basis, the Soviet ambassador in Finland would pop by to "friendly" instruct.

this may explain why the swedes delivered the wrong caliber of artillery shells to Finland

@@steenkigerrider5340 And got his ass slapped most of the time. We called them "Laukkuryssä" in Finland. Raw translation would be "Suitcase Ruskie", because they carried a suitcase filled with communist propaganda.

@@11DNA11 They predate communism and they were (generally Eastern-Karelian) traveling merchants, nothing to do with politics.

@@mikitz You are talking about a different thing. They are talking about cold war, you know when that was right...

To ruin the joke by explaining it: It's actually a choice between "Saatana" and "Perkele", with the former obviously being a finnification of "Satan", and the latter being both a word for a pre-christian pagan god, and another synonym for the devil. And of course, both are commonly used curse-words. So the joke is that the choice was between two barely different kinds of devil, and neither of them is pleasant.

@@rockCity777 Close, the actual 1st word was "Piru", but same difference. This was something my great-grandfather said, and has been retold to me by my grandmother. He seems to have been quite quick-witted with his words, which is very much a Central finnish mannerism

Then again I wonder how siding with the other devil aka Stalin would have ended up. Like would the other allies have guaranteed Finlands independence and security in exchange of siding against Hitler with them and Stalin. Could they have. * Finland: Hey Stalin... we forget you invaded us and fight with you against Germany and you leave us alone? * Stalin: I promise on Comrade Trotsky's grave, that I will leave you alone. * Finland: hehehe.... This is going to end up so well * Stalin: hey how about I send 15 divisions in Finland to help in the fight against Germany... purely temporarily * Finland: so welll............ * UK and USA: So so Uncle Joe you werent supposed to conquer Finland. * Stalin: What you gonna do about it now dear war allies? * UK and USA: Nothing our dear ally, just wanted it to be noted that we think that was naughty for historical record. Do or don't, you are in the shit. Atleast the German option had the glimmer of hope of victory and Greater Finland at the beginning instead of certain destruction on the other hand. The honourable option of course would have fought all of Japan, USA, USSR, , Australia, China, UK and Germany to stay completely neutral... all of them at once..... without anyone providing us grain or war supplies..... Like that was going to be a glorious fight to last breath. Since that was pretty much the only actually "honorable" way to act without having to be allying with any mass murderers. If we Finns get called Nazis for being war allies with Hitler, I call dips on getting to call Americans, Brits, Canadians and Australians Stalinists for siding with USSR during WWII. Everybody had nasty bed fellows, since two of the major war machines in the globe at the time were run by mass murdering maniacs.

Perkele was originally the pre christian God of love. Being in love leads to hell, death and madness!

@@aritakalo8011 Agreed. Some times there is no good option.

that swastika is the Sampo, the Mill of Heaven, from the Kalevala

De Gaulle was the first offender.

@@XtreeM_FaiL And to be fair, I kind of do understand why Charles de Gaulle might have some qualms about wearing a swastika, no matter all the "ours is older than the German one"-talk.

@@Oxtocoatl13 He would have shat his pants if he ever visited India.

@@XtreeM_FaiL Well when most Europeans would have gone to India just after the war they would have shat their pants too. Nowadays they'd probably notice it, joke about it and then move on.

But still become a sockpuppet to the Soviets that gave rise to the term "Finlandization" to refer to their inability to say "no" to Soviet demands...

@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 Still much better than the alternative of becoming a communist state which most likely would have happend if there was no "Finlandization".

@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 Are you familiar with Vito Corleone's guide of "How to say no". Basically you have to say no so that it sounds like yes. That's Finnish foreign policy in a nutshell.

@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 Your comment shows typical lack of lack of knowledge and understanding of Finland. Just as the co-fighting with Germany was the only possible way during the war 41-44, "Finlandization" was in fact a wise strategy during the cold war, that once again saved Finland, and is an important rooth cause to Finlands standing today. Finlands cooperation with the Soviet Union, although it may have appeared submissive on the surface, actually also brought many benefits in terms of economic and industrial development.

@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 Sockpuppet that is ranked the happiest country in the world atm and is in fact the only country ever to pay war reparations in full. Without marshall aid. Better to go along than say fuck you to a country 30times larger than you maybe?

Yes they had zero offers of help when needed. Look at Russia right now, they do not give a "F".

To be fair, the French and British attempted to send aid in material and troops to Finland. However, Norway and Sweden denied transit through their lands for fear the countries would be drawn into the war.

@@liammoy5911 well the troops was not meant to be going to Finland, but insteed to take Swedish Iron mines.

yeah and lets not forget the 200 000 men the germans send to help us which is more than anyone has ever done to us

@@swedishstyle9778 that's not true. Where is your source?

Is it even crazier to think that I as a millenial still went to that same school?. My 3rd grade classroom was right next to Mannerheim's office and after every recess I ran the same steps the officers had walked on. This wasn't that long ago.. Well maybe it was.

@@alkiskie8044 hmm, crazier would be if you even knew my dad, he is turning 50 this next monday btw.

i live in mikkeli and my dad has been in the mannerheims office so he has sat and ate at the same table as mannerheim and hitler

@@RottaOnRotta Hitler ei koskaan käyny Mikkelissä, ja oon mäkin siellä käyny...

@@RottaOnRotta Se vaunu joka on siin rautatieasemalla just sen pitkän alamäen tien päässä, niin se on replika siitä kyseisestä tapaamisvaunusta, jossa ne kaks tapas sit.

Mannerheim was a smoker? Ew. That certainly makes me think less of him.

@@HighAdmiral Can't tell if you're kidding, but it was the 40's...

@@HighAdmiral Mannerheim did not smoke cigarettes, only cigars specially hand-made for him.

@@HighAdmiral 9

@@HighAdmiral high quality cigars not just any smokes

And what is always forgotten is that Germany was an allie of USSR untill 1941 and stoppend Italy's help to Finland in 1939.

Ridiculous claim! The Finns certainly did not have to be forced into an alliance with the Germans. By the way, if Finland had been neutral, Finland, like Sweden, would not have problems with food supplies. The Finns had problems with food supply because they took part in the raid of the Soviet Union. By the way, Finns were the friends of the Nazi Nation! Finnish President Carl Gustaf Mannerheim named the Nazi soldiers in a letter to Adolf Hitler: "Our German brothers-in-arms..." Obvious, Finland was an ally of the criminal Nazi nation and also took part in the raid on the Soviet Union in 1941. The Finns fought side by side with these criminal mass murderers. Finland did this to conquer territory. Apparently Finland not only wanted the lost territories of the Winter War of 1940, but also wanted to take other territories away from the Soviets. The Finnish parliament declared that the aim of the war was to restore the areas lost during the winter war and to gain more areas in the east in order to create a Greater Finland. President Ryti said this to the Finnish Parliament in 1941. By September 1941, the Finns recaptured the territories lost in the Winter War. However, the Finnish Army continued the offensive past the pre-1939 border with the conquest of Soviet territories, as well as halting only around 30-32 km (19-20 mi) from the center of Leningrad, where they participated in besieging the city by cutting its northern supply routes and digging in until 1944. The Finnish fleet also participated in the sea blockade of the city. To win, the Finns supported the Nazi nation in the criminal siege of Leningrad, which was part of the racist war of annihilation against the Slavic population of the Soviet Union. Because the siege was intended to wipe out the population of Leningrad. That's why 1 million people died in Leningrad largely by starvation. Mostly civilians. Which shows that the Finns didn't care that millions of civilians died in this war. The Finns also attacked and besieged Murmansk together with the Germans, which was definitely not a Finnish city either. It would have been terrible if the Nazi Nation had won together with the Finns the 2nd world war. This victory would have meant the destruction of the Soviet Union and various genocides against the Slavic peoples of the Soviet Union. But also elsewhere they would have exterminated the Slavs, for example in Poland, whereby they would also have exterminated certain nonslavic nations. It's a fact that the attack of 1941 served to support the Germans in completely destroying the Soviet Union. The Finns also knew what the Germans were doing, because they were there at the siege of Leningrad. In addition, the Finns also supported the German attack on the Soviet city of Murmansk and tried to besiege this city together with the Germans. The Finns wanted more than just to retake the lost territories. The Finns wanted to benefit from the expected German victory over the Soviet Union and additionally conquer more Soviet territory. To win, the Finns supported the Nazi nation in the criminal siege of Leningrad, which was part of the racist war of annihilation against the Slavic population of the Soviet Union. Because the siege was intended to exterminate the population of Leningrad. That's why 1 million people died in Leningrad largely by starvation. Mostly civilians. Which shows that the Finns didn't care that millions of civilians died in this war. The Finns also attacked and besieged Murmansk together with the Germans, which was definitely not a Finnish city either. That is why Great Britain declared war on the Finns and attacked Finnish troops with bombers too. Finland was so the enemy of liberators of Europe because Finland has allied itself with absolute evil.

@@XtreeM_FaiL Forgets? No, everyone remembers it. Unlike the Munich conspiracy and phrases like "Germany is the anti-Bolshevik shield of Europe!"

​@@XtreeM_FaiL allies in question: invaded poland after it was already destroyhed, basically stealing german gains trading (wtf countries can trade with each other??? no way) ... oh it looks like that's all. hmm

@@XtreeM_FaiL Not only Italy, but French and British aid too.

Aka "Tuntematon Sotilas" and is a short TV-series (5 episodes) on Netflix in Scandinavia. Great movie/series!

Read the book, it is Finnish national treasure and best one.

I like Jim Morrison's 1968 version

@@yourstruly4817 K

@@suissais4732 Thanks for correcting me. I will edit my previous comment :)

Yeah, the Soviet Union was basically begging for payback.

Nah, Germans were involved in the Finnish civil war, trained Finnish Jäegers in Germany and when Finland was about to become a monarchy, their king would've been German. Ties between Germany and Finland were strong already without the Soviet invasion, and during the continuation war, all Finnish political and military leaders had sympathies towards Germany.

@@goldbullet50 Ironically Germans were also involved in the Russian Civil War by aiding the Bolsheviks. Divide and conquer, I guess...

@@goldbullet50 All Finnish political and military leaders had sympathies towards Germany? That could not be further from the truth. If you are Finnish, go read some books and first hand accounts. If you're not, then keep your mouth shut if you don't know what you are talking about.

@@taekatanahu635 Kinda-sorta. The Whites sought to maintain Allied support by persisting in their resolution to oppose Germany. The Bolsheviks, for their part, were keen to bring an end to the fighting, per their promises of "Peace, Land, Bread", ultimately resulting in the treaty of Brest-Litovsk in March 1918 - something which the Allies interpreted as a betrayal, causing them to offer their support to the Whites. Ironically, the first British landings came at the request of the Murmansk Soviet, who feared a German attack on the town. The British troops arrived on the 4th of March, the day after the signing of the treaty of Brest-Litovsk. Basically, the Russian Civil War was a confused clusterfrag of a conflict, but I can hardly blame the Germans for being interested in its outcome: as long as the Whites don't win, their eastern front is secure, and they can concentrate their forces in the west to face the British and French.

🤣😂😅😂!! That’s what I thought too.

ROFL

I’ll be your friend, I’ll consider myself told by you. Well done, mission accomplished!

**silence of Swiss restraint**

All equally powerful

@@kaiserwilhelmii1827 Finnish shpionin spotted ~.~ radioing back to Moskva

@@GarioTheRock well the Finns did have to go to war to defend themselves, and remained a free nation, so three is that! Also of note, most Finns enjoy silence!

Starving citisens of Leningrad and civilians on land occupied by finns would disagree.

Well, except for the blockade of Leningrad and concentration camps in the occupied territory. Yes....

@@wederMaxim You mean internment camps. They weren't for extermination, as the mortality rates would have been much higher

As the saying goes, choosing between Germany and Russia is like choosing between the Devil and Satan.

Poland, Karelia, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia ...

@Fabian Kirchgessner I wouldn't say they liberated Finland. They helped the white forces a bit in defeating the reds in the Finnish civil war just like Soviet union aided the reds. Finland had already been independent for like a year before the civil war started. So there wasn't really anything to liberate them from

@@anton2192 In this case the choice was made easier by the fact that the one had invaded them earlier but the other hadn't

@Fabian Kirchgessner It should have been. However, Germany sold Finland to the Soviet Union in the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. During the Winter War, Germany was actually hampering Finland's fight against the USSR. That alone tells a story of what kind of people the Nazis were. Although, even as a Finn, I don't belong to those who adamantly claim Finland wasn't allied with Germany in any kind of imaginable way, it's still a case of having little choice. Finland had to seek help from one demon to fight another demon. History talks about Winter War and Continuation War, but in the bigger picture Finland was drawn into the 2nd World War when the Soviet Union attacked in 1939. Continuation War wouldn't have happened without the Winter War. Btw, Germany didn't liberate Finland. The Whites would have won even without direct German military help, the Germans just made the civil war end a bit sooner. In fact, Mannerheim didn't want the Germans to intervene in the Finnish civil war, but the decision was out of his hands.

It was but I guess the question alludes more so into if Finn's really did it more so out of neccesity without any other choice and they did it also without any real respect for Germany. Playing a game with one huge monster to keep other huge monster at bay and maybe survive as a small country in the middle of it.

@@454FatJack I can't recall it being a formal war, despite the 10K+ casualties.

@@454FatJack Germany was never an ally to the USSR and they both hated each other. Stalin did say that the war with Germany was inevitable, he was just very wrong about when he thought it was gonna happen

@@454FatJack Soviet was never an ally of Nazi-Germany. They had an non-aggression pact, that's all.

@@454FatJack Do you also believe in Santa Clause since you are speaking abotu a good side in a war?

mitä hittoa? Laita tarkempi osoite? Streetview:llä en junanvaunua nähny

@@Raccoon_A tässä: Pirkanmaantie 1057, 38220 Sastamala Tuolla sen pitäisi olla Nykyään se valitettavasti on paikoillaan oleva museokalu.

@@Raccoon_A www.kiskokabinetti.net/marskin-salonkivaunu/

Meeting took place in Imatra, small side railtrack to Tainionkoski paperfactory. Hitlers airplane almost hit the factory chimney.

The train car where Mannerheim and Hitler dined is indeed in Sastamala. However, the train car where they later discussed and where the unique recording was made is in Mikkeli, right at the railway station. That one is only open for public once a year, on 4th June (Mannerheim's birthday and anniversary of the visit). Can recommend! Wikipedia page of the two train cars (in Finnish): fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsalkka_Mannerheimin_salonkivaunut

As a Swede, that makes me happy (:

Lol

Now that's a nice piece of information.

ubnderstandable

Wha?

@@jjjjjaakko oh good

@@finnishboo4192 Found the anti-Finnish pretend nationalist.

@@finnicpatriot6399 fuck the commies

@@finnicpatriot6399 oli kyllå surullista mitä heille tehtiin mutta niih

Yeah and that underlines the "our private" war against USSR stance of Finland.

What a stupid question! They were the friends of the Nazi Nation! Finnish President Carl Gustaf Mannerheim named the Nazi soldiers in a letter to Adolf Hitler: "Our German brothers-in-arms..." Obvious, Finland was an ally of the criminal Nazi nation and also took part in the raid on the Soviet Union in 1941. The Finns fought side by side with these criminal mass murderers. Finland did this to conquer territory. Apparently Finland not only wanted the lost territories of the Winter War of 1940, but also wanted to take other territories away from the Soviets. The Finnish parliament declared that the aim of the war was to restore the areas lost during the winter war and to gain more areas in the east in order to create a Greater Finland. President Ryti said this to the Finnish Parliament in 1941. By September 1941, the Finns recaptured the territories lost in the Winter War. However, the Finnish Army continued the offensive past the pre-1939 border with the conquest of Soviet territories, as well as halting only around 30-32 km (19-20 mi) from the center of Leningrad, where they participated in besieging the city by cutting its northern supply routes and digging in until 1944. The Finnish fleet also participated in the sea blockade of the city. To win, the Finns supported the Nazi nation in the criminal siege of Leningrad, which was part of the racist war of annihilation against the Slavic population of the Soviet Union. Because the siege was intended to wipe out the population of Leningrad. That's why 1 million people died in Leningrad largely by starvation. Mostly civilians. Which shows that the Finns didn't care that millions of civilians died in this war. The Finns also attacked and besieged Murmansk together with the Germans, which was definitely not a Finnish city either. It would have been terrible if the Nazi Nation had won together with the Finns the 2nd world war. This victory would have meant the destruction of the Soviet Union and various genocides against the Slavic peoples of the Soviet Union. But also elsewhere they would have exterminated the Slavs, for example in Poland, whereby they would also have exterminated certain nonslavic nations. It's a fact that the attack of 1941 served to support the Germans in completely destroying the Soviet Union. The Finns also knew what the Germans were doing, because they were there at the siege of Leningrad. In addition, the Finns also supported the German attack on the Soviet city of Murmansk and tried to besiege this city together with the Germans. The Finns wanted more than just to retake the lost territories. The Finns wanted to benefit from the expected German victory over the Soviet Union and additionally conquer more Soviet territory. To win, the Finns supported the Nazi nation in the criminal siege of Leningrad, which was part of the racist war of annihilation against the Slavic population of the Soviet Union. Because the siege was intended to exterminate the population of Leningrad. That's why 1 million people died in Leningrad largely by starvation. Mostly civilians. Which shows that the Finns didn't care that millions of civilians died in this war. The Finns also attacked and besieged Murmansk together with the Germans, which was definitely not a Finnish city either. That is why Great Britain declared war on the Finns and attacked Finnish troops with bombers too. Finland was so the enemy of liberators of Europe because Finland has allied itself with absolute evil. In addition this Wiki link titled East Karelian concentration camps. In the link one can then read the following. Quote: "East Karelian concentration camps were a set of concentration camps operated by the Finnish government in the areas of the Soviet Union occupied by the Finnish military administration during... These camps were organized by the armed forces supreme commander Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim. The mortality rate of civilians in the camps was high due to famine and disease...Significant numbers of Soviets died in this concentration camps. These were many women, children, and the elderly..." Quote end!

Isn't there a memorial in Pori today regarding this?

United Kingdom: "Finland, why did you cooperate with a belligerent, totalitarian and genocidal dictatorship?" Finland: "Why did you do it yourself?"

When did the soviets fight alngside the nazis?

@@federicomachado811 Seriously? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8vjBp-qyNVE.html

​@@federicomachado811 Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was an economical and military alliance that lasted for years, way longer than what Finnish and German pact lasted. Either they both are alliances, or neither are.

@@federicomachado811 the Nazis and Soviets invaded Poland together.

😮

but at the end the finns switched the side as the italians did. the finns were not ready to sacrifice themselfs as the germans did.

​@@stevenbodum3405 It's almost like the Continuation war and operation Barbarossa had different goals.

Brothers-im-arms, not allies. Big difference.

@A Y Though Baltic countries may be a bad point of comparison, as their regimes were largely collaborationist and thus were treated less oppressively by the Nazis.

@@user-po1mu1sy7g Major attractions don't make it the country that it is. Tie your tongue to your uvula and keep it there. Don't speak. Don't type. Keep your vodka & depression fueled thoughts to yourself. Thank you.

@@user-po1mu1sy7g We make 5x your median salary per month ahahahah

@@IdeaOfEvil my salary is 12000$ a month. So you make 60k??

@@user-po1mu1sy7g cool, 2500€ is still 5x to 500€, no matter the individual

sounds like a true Finnish response to such a predicament, even if it was in the Swedish language!

@@bige1106 Mannerheim's mother tongue was Swedish.

@@anttibjorklund1869 and why I made this statement, even if it was in the Swedish language!

Except they lost both wars so I am not sure why people get this idea. They did absolutely crush them in casualties but Soviet war aims were realized in both cases. The Karelian Isthmus, Petsamo, and Ladoga Karelia are in modern Russia for this reason. Obviously this is the best case scenario since Finland would almost certainly be Sovietized but it's a de jure defeat

@@s871-c1q finns still humilated soviet union and 32 finns against 4000 soviets and they couldnt defeat finns. Like 300 sparta, true warrior race aka finns

@@paskahousu8884 yea but if u scale it up to percentage of population, ussr lost basically nothing :>

@@benismann they did lost something tho

@@paskahousu8884 as does every side in every war unless they're not contributing

You mean becoming a not-Commie sockpuppet that gave rise to the term "Finlandization"...

@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 And? We didn't become a Soviet puppet state like all the eastern European countries.

@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 What feasible outcome you think would have been more preferable?

@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 Have 1100km border with population of 4 million with Soviet Union and be belligerent, i'd be interested to hear that what dream world that sounds like a good idea during the cold war.

@Robert Kaevur "You could protest freely but not form parties” What does that mean? Pro-American parties? Countries don't have pro-some-other-nation-parties. Finland is full of political parties, some of them formed during the Cold War. The predecessor of the current big populistic party in Finland was estalished right in the 50's. It was from the beginning a party that blamed the older parties for being too Soviet-friendly, among other things. Your information about the treaty is also inaccurate. It was a non-aggression pact that stipulated that Finland must not allow Germany or its allies (in practice the UK/USA) to use the Finnish territory to attack the USSR. It also said that if Finland is attacked, Finland can ask the Soviet Union for help. However, any such aid is not automatic and must involve Finland asking for it. There was never any military cooperation between the Soviet Union and Finland during the Cold War. The biggest practical/visible effect of Finlandization was self-censorship. Negative news about the Soviet Union were few and far between in Finnish media during the Cold War.

Finland didn't trust Hitler, either.

No one trusted stalin and stalin trusted no one.

Stinky to his friends.

He preferred to use his middle name Gustaf. Carl was a very common name in Mannerheim's family and he disliked the name Emil. For example in the recording of his presidential oath he says Gustaf Mannerheim. I don't think that he used the full initials C.G.E. that much even though they are often used nowadays.

Changed the description to better reflect that. Perils of working in an international company where everyone has different assumptions on the primacy of names. Thanks for pointing it out.

@@sasropakis Considering how Mannerheim's dad AND brother were also named Carl Mannerheim, I can see why he would favor Gustaf.

@@Oxtocoatl13 Actually, there were TWO brothers both named Carl: one was Carl Erik Johan Mannerheim (Gustaf's older brother) and the other was Carl Fridolf Johan Mannerheim (Gustaf's younger brother). Of these, the first mentioned was called Carl and the latter was called Johan.

We need, nay, DEMAND a fuller documentary on Mannerheim! ...Please?

@@Caldera01 Yes. Full. Let's start from the invasion into Soviet Russia in 1918 to grab the land Finns never owned. Edit: or better: start with 1917 and "white terror" during the civil war in Finland

@@vantuz8264 The lands the grand duke of Finland, Nicholas II never owned? The lands that the Soviets stole from the rightful owner the Tsar? The Tsar whom the Soviets brutally murdered after they stole those lands? Those ones?

@UCN9zu3pept0zoEBe7MIp4dA never owned???? Fu

Well the things he did before are not as globally significant. You need to remember he makes this show about the entire world pretty much

Forgot to mention, you can mix the drink with carbonated water or drink it as it is.

Russia had been causing pain for the nation for centuries (the great wrath for the most notable part), this was the one time that they saw fit to regain what had been lost. The discussion happens mostly because Finland was never authoritarian nor had any political parties in the parlament that were even close to fascism, yet they still ended up co-operating with Germany. It is easy to judge nowadays, but the winter war left the nation with a saying that is still relevant with the joining of NATO: "Never alone again". For a small nation of just 3 million people to fight against a super power, it causes much more than just physical damage since it´s not just the soldiers that have to play their part. Suicides, substance abuse, mental health issues etc. sky rocketed nationwide, remnants of which can still be seen today.

You’re confusing the question if it was understandable with if it was so.

@@WorldWarTwo With all due respect I clearly understand the difference. I just want to point out that in today's world naming someone "Nazi's ally" looks like blaming them for having started WW2 and all the consequences. And it has nothing in common with Finland. So my complaints are about the title and the way the story is represented and not about the story.

Oh boy… let’s take one thing after the other. That the USSR and the Nazi German Reich were allies from August 1939 to June 22, 1941 is not revisionism. It’s the other way around. When Germany attacked the Soviet Union, and the Soviet Union by force switched sides, there was a concerted effort by the Allied Powers to revision the Soviet-Nazi alliance as a pragmatic appeasement move by Stalin. The revisionist argument was upheld by the USSR, and tacitly accepted by the West until the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. Under Putin’s renewed revisionist efforts there is once again a Russian politically supported movement to reinstate the revisionist false narrative. There really is no debate here - Academic historians have _never_ bought into the agitprop version where Stalin was just being ‘smart’ and appeasing Hitler. His geopolitical motives of expansion into the Baltic states, Finland and Bessarabia, as well as his goal to destroy Poland are extremely well documented. That Finland fought alongside the Axis powers starting June 22, 1941 is an irrefutable fact. If that makes Finnland ‘just’ a co-belligerent or an ally of Germany is a matter of interpretation, and exactly what this video explores, without giving a definitive answer, because there is no definitive answer. Finland’s reasons for her actions are clearly understandable, her motives clearly outlined. If that is fair justification is a moral question of extreme complexity that also can’t be answered in a yes or no manner. Finally inferring that discussing what level Finland’s alliance went to is tantamount to saying that Finland’s bears responsibility for starting WW2 is dogmatic idiocy, or should we stay just plain stupid. The war started in 1939, it was initiated by Germany with the support of the USSR. Within three months Finland was a victim of aggression by one of the powers that started the war. When the two belligerents who started the war together went to war against each other in June 1941, Finland joined the fight on the Axis side against her previous aggressor, the USSR who in turn joined the United Nations Alliance. This eventually placed Finland at war with the all the Allied nations. This is outlined here, and pretty much everywhere that WW2 is documented. To not understand that 1939 happens before 1941 requires either to have a grasp of math and calendars of a three year old, or to be a willfully ignorant demagogue.

@@WorldWarTwo I totally agree with the fact that this episode is correct about the facts stated. My point is that Finland's motives weren't outlined clearly enough. It's as calling an afroamerican a negro is totally correct (technically) because "negro" means black in Spanish and normally afroamericans have black skin. But it's morally wrong. I don't want to discuss a lot with you actually I'm your fan, you make amazing videos and when I say amazing I just mean they are AMAZING. But I think there is a problem with this particular episode and it's not about the facts it's all about nuances. There is nothing more to discuss. Thank you for your job because what you do is BRILLIANT.

@@WorldWarTwo Your statement "Academic historians have never bought into the agitprop version where Stalin was just being ‘smart’ and appeasing Hitler" and "The war started in 1939, it was initiated by Germany with the support of the USSR." is clearly revisionism and no respectable historian upholds this. You intentionally forget that the USSR tried repeatedly to negociate with UK and France to contain Hitler, they offered large amount of troops to attack Hitler on both fronts if the nazis invaded Poland. This is well documented. With France and UK not willing to contain the nazis (and the fascist italians) in the Spanish Civil War plus the Munich treaty which basically gave away Chzekoslovakia to the nazis, but also to Poland and Hungary, the USSR had enough proof that France and UK would not limit the expansion of the nazis (Lebensraum + Generalplan Ost) to the East. So they signed a non-agression pact with the nazis to buy time to prepare for the inevitable war. This treaty also allowed the URSS to gain back territories that were given up during Brest-Litovsk 1918 to the Central Powers, essentially Germany.

And why USSR was untrustworthy to your dad? Cause the USSR lost 27,000,000 people in this war? Your dad is a simple nazi collaborator. Just like Ford company. Search about this corp. You will be amazed. 👍

Memoirs are treacherous sources, unless what you are looking for is indeed how the person in question viewed something, or how they wanted themselves to be seen. And Mannerheim's memoirs are absolutely like that, they paint a very pretty and glamourous picture of the man.

When the agreements aren't on paper, it more or less gives Mannerheim the freedom to write whatever he wants in his memoirs too. Even as the president and the marshal of Finland, he did not have the official mandate to make such agreements on behalf of Finland. So it's basically all in the air even to this day. If the Germans won the war, maybe Mannerheim would have remembered it differently in his memoirs too.

@@romaliop Given how events developed, reducing Finland's closeness to the Axis, especially Germany, was clearly at the back of Mannerheim's mind.

Also many many finnish war propaganda songs at the time depicted germany and japan as great partners who came to the aid of finland when no one else helped them, i recommend listening to "Uraliin", its on youtube and has english subtitles in the video

@@stevekaczynski3793 Of course. However, we have to question how valid can an agreement be, if you can just kinda forget it ever existed and with that alone there's no longer anything anyone can do to prove it did.

Yeah the Germans were fighting for their survival as well.

I have some regard for your expertise in this matter, Professor.

Just näin, kiitoksia

Unluckily? No matter what you think about A.H but truth is that he made germany the best nation in world, best army, best economy, happy people, low crime, no usury, germans felt proud of who they are cuz A.H, before A.H germany was in great depression, it was imbossible to rise from that, but A.H did it only in few years(miracle) and in one year he alreydy made jobs to 3 000 000! million unembloyed people. World has never seen such thing and many historians has said that if A.H would have died in 1939, he would now be considered as one of the greatest man ever who ever lived. Extrafunfact: Millions of volunteers around world fighted with A.H also

Anicommunism = fascism.

Spain was resisting communism was it? Hmmmm i wonder who you support during the civil war?

Its like saying "Native americans never had been a country that controlled america"

Kiitos!

Who is "we"

@@ghostdukevladamir5101 Finnish people, you shtewpid?

❤️

Not send Finnish units to support the SS.

Tell me more about the terrible suffering of Eastern Europe. And also tell me how it got better there and how much.

@@wederMaxim Eastern European here, don’t fool yourself: anyone who tells you that things were better during communism is either a former party official or an idiot. The only possible exception to this is Yugoslavia, but the decline there had more to do with the war in the 90s than with the fall of communism.

@@LjuboCupic1912 Former party officials🤣? These are literally the only people who have benefited from the collapse of the Warsaw Bloc.

Poland attacked Soviet Russia and took some of it territories. So when Germany went to war with Poland, well the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

The US did not pick the Soviets. Germany and specifically Hitler declared war of the US which automatically mad bboth the Uk and the USSR allies. And no the US was nor committed or obliged to aid Finland in 1941 when the Finns attacked the USSR.

@@caryblack5985 I was just pointing out that Finland was promised aide from both England and France and both left the Finns high and dry. Appeasement to Stalin. Who was Finland left to get aide from? Anyway, WW2 started with appeasement and ended with appeasement. First to one dictator then to another.

@@caryblack5985 UK on the other hand declared a trade blockade against Finland already in 1940, thereby leaving Finns no other chance but to look support from Germany.

@@nordicfella8004 I said nothing about Finland allying with Germany. I just pointed out the US did not PICK the USSR as an ally and the US was not under obligation to the Finns.

That is not necessarily suggesting disdain.

Could you please translate that?

@@carrigadaashcroft "What the hell is he doing here?"

@@macky7482 Knowing Mannerheim, yes it is.

@@anttibjorklund1869 You knew mannerheim? doubt... Also doubt that you learned about his character well enough though your TV that you can say that

They would probably have had to shoot Mannerheim as well. Anyway, you would expect honour guard members to come from selected backgrounds where such a temptation would not arise. Even if there were Jewish members of the guard, which I doubt, they would have been re-assigned so as not to have any crises of conscience during Hitler's visit.

Well, it was a war against an equally, if not worse, totalitarian state so I think it wasn't that bad in the end.

@@stevekaczynski3793 Why would they have to sh5oot Mannerheim? What kind of backgrounds are you talking about?

Are those readable on somewhere? Any link? Not sure if I believe.

Well then it would have been just changing 1 lunatic to even worse lunatic. Stalin was 10 times more crazy than Hitler was.

This is a lie because there was no distrust of the Nazis from the Finns because they were friends and allies of the Nazi nation! By the way, honor and Finns in this context does not fit! For the allies and friends of the Nazi nation had no honor. Finnish President Carl Gustaf Mannerheim named the Nazi soldiers in a letter to Adolf Hitler: "Our German brothers-in-arms..." Obvious, Finland was an ally of the criminal Nazi nation and also took part in the raid on the Soviet Union in 1941. The Finns fought side by side with these criminal mass murderers. Finland did this to conquer territory. Apparently Finland not only wanted the lost territories of the Winter War of 1940, but also wanted to take other territories away from the Soviets. The Finnish parliament declared that the aim of the war was to restore the areas lost during the winter war and to gain more areas in the east in order to create a Greater Finland. President Ryti said this to the Finnish Parliament in 1941. By September 1941, the Finns recaptured the territories lost in the Winter War. However, the Finnish Army continued the offensive past the pre-1939 border with the conquest of Soviet territories, as well as halting only around 30-32 km (19-20 mi) from the center of Leningrad, where they participated in besieging the city by cutting its northern supply routes and digging in until 1944. The Finnish fleet also participated in the sea blockade of the city. It would have been terrible if the Nazi Nation had won together with the Finns the 2nd world war. This victory would have meant the destruction of the Soviet Union and various genocides against the Slavic peoples of the Soviet Union. But also elsewhere they would have exterminated the Slavs, for example in Poland, whereby they would also have exterminated certain nonslavic nations. It's a fact that the attack of 1941 served to support the Germans in completely destroying the Soviet Union. The Finns also knew what the Germans were doing, because they were there at the siege of Leningrad. In addition, the Finns also supported the German attack on the Soviet city of Murmansk and tried to besiege this city together with the Germans. The Finns wanted more than just to retake the lost territories. The Finns wanted to benefit from the expected German victory over the Soviet Union and additionally conquer more Soviet territory. To win, the Finns supported the Nazi nation in the criminal siege of Leningrad, which was part of the racist war of annihilation against the Slavic population of the Soviet Union. Because the siege was intended to exterminate the population of Leningrad. That's why 1 million people died in Leningrad largely by starvation. Mostly civilians. Which shows that the Finns didn't care that millions of civilians died in this war. The Finns also attacked and besieged Murmansk together with the Germans, which was definitely not a Finnish city either. That is why Great Britain declared war on the Finns and attacked Finnish troops with bombers too. Finland was so the enemy of liberators of Europe because Finland has allied itself with absolute evil. ------------------------- Yes and in 1938 Czechoslovak mobilized 1 250 000 soldiers. The information about the Polish army is also wrong in 1939. Because at that time Poland had a 1 million army and the 5th largest army in the world! The information about the French is also wrong! In 1939 the French Army had 900,000 regular soldiers. However, it another 5 million reservists who had been trained and could be called-up in time of war. And the British Army had a regular army of 227,000 men, who were supported by a reserve of 173,700 men. In fact, the majority of the German army was engaged in combat in Poland in 1939, including 90% of the German air force. So if the French and British had attacked massively in the west, as agreed with Poland, the Germans would have been defeated quickly. But these cowardly "allies" of the Poles betrayed Poland and instead of attacking massively in the west, they hid in the bunkers and thus gave away a victory. Through this cowardly behavior they made possible the unimaginable crimes of the Nazi nation. A total of 50 million died as a result of the fighting and various genocides committed by the Nazi nation.

Is there also a description of Finnish participation in the German raid on the Soviet Union? Because the Finns were the friends and allies of the Nazi Nation in 1939-44! Finnish President Carl Gustaf Mannerheim named the Nazi soldiers in a letter to Adolf Hitler: "Our German brothers-in-arms..." Obvious, Finland was an ally of the criminal Nazi nation and also took part in the raid on the Soviet Union in 1941. The Finns fought side by side with these criminal mass murderers. Finland did this to conquer territory. Apparently Finland not only wanted the lost territories of the Winter War of 1940, but also wanted to take other territories away from the Soviets. The Finnish parliament declared that the aim of the war was to restore the areas lost during the winter war and to gain more areas in the east in order to create a Greater Finland. President Ryti said this to the Finnish Parliament in 1941. By September 1941, the Finns recaptured the territories lost in the Winter War. However, the Finnish Army continued the offensive past the pre-1939 border with the conquest of Soviet territories, as well as halting only around 30-32 km (19-20 mi) from the center of Leningrad, where they participated in besieging the city by cutting its northern supply routes and digging in until 1944. The Finnish fleet also participated in the sea blockade of the city. It would have been terrible if the Nazi Nation had won together with the Finns the 2nd world war. This victory would have meant the destruction of the Soviet Union and various genocides against the Slavic peoples of the Soviet Union. But also elsewhere they would have exterminated the Slavs, for example in Poland, whereby they would also have exterminated certain nonslavic nations. It's a fact that the attack of 1941 served to support the Germans in completely destroying the Soviet Union. The Finns also knew what the Germans were doing, because they were there at the siege of Leningrad. The Finns wanted more than just to retake the lost territories. The Finns wanted to benefit from the expected German victory over the Soviet Union and additionally conquer more Soviet territory. To win, the Finns supported the Nazi nation in the criminal siege of Leningrad, which was part of the racist war of annihilation against the Slavic population of the Soviet Union. Because the siege was intended to exterminate the population of Leningrad. That's why 1 million people died in Leningrad largely by starvation. Mostly civilians. Which shows that the Finns didn't care that millions of civilians died in this war. The Finns also attacked and besieged Murmansk together with the Germans, which was definitely not a Finnish city either. That is why Great Britain declared war on the Finns and attacked Finnish troops with bombers too. Finland was so the enemy of liberators of Europe because Finland has allied itself with absolute evil. In addition, the Finns also supported the German attack on the Soviet city of Murmansk and tried to besiege this city together with the Germans.

Pretty much yeah

@@aleksazunjic9672 So, which territories did the Finns steal during the Winter war? The Soviet Union constantly attacked Finland from the very moment it did not wish to be under Russian rule, White or Red. They just wanted freedom from Russia.

@@aleksazunjic9672 Oh dear, Aleksa, your whole reasoning falls apart with the statement "The Soviet Union was OK with notional Liberation". Only if these areas became SSR´s within the USSR. That is why the Soviets attempted to invade Finland in the early Twenties.

@@aleksazunjic9672 Again, check your facts. Mannerheim led the White forces fighting the Bolsheviks, who were attempting to claim Finland for the Soviet Union. After that failed campaign, maybe Stalin realised that Finland was just a small fish in a big pond. The Bolsheviks had gained Petrogrod and Kronstadt for naval access to the Baltic so Finland became a minor issue.

@@aleksazunjic9672 The "land near Leningrad" belonged to Sweden 1323 - 1721 and to Russia 1721 - 1812. The inhabitants of it were Finns. During 1812 - 1917 it belonged to Grand Duchy of Finland, being part of Russian Empire (but not Russia). It belonged to independent Finland (confirmed by Lenin) since its first day until the end of Winter War.

What comes around, goes around.

We were also given support from the Allies. Were we allied to them as well?

You'll like it: Hitlerin Saksa ja sen vapaaehtoisliikkeet: Waffen-SS and Karjalan ristiretki ja taistelu Nevan reitistä by Mauno Jokipii Suomi miehittäjänä 1941-1944 by Helge Seppälä The Winter War: Finland Against Russia, 1939-1940 by Vaino Tanner

"Continuation war" is a mendacious Propaganda term that contradicts historical reality. Because that was a completely new war in which the Finns together with the Germans raided the Soviet Union. Finns were the friends of the Nazi Nation! Finnish President Carl Gustaf Mannerheim named the Nazi soldiers in a letter to Adolf Hitler: "Our German brothers-in-arms..." Obvious, Finland was an ally of the criminal Nazi nation and also took part in the raid on the Soviet Union in 1941. The Finns fought side by side with these criminal mass murderers. Finland did this to conquer territory. Apparently Finland not only wanted the lost territories of the Winter War of 1940, but also wanted to take other territories away from the Soviets. The Finnish parliament declared that the aim of the war was to restore the areas lost during the winter war and to gain more areas in the east in order to create a Greater Finland. President Ryti said this to the Finnish Parliament in 1941. By September 1941, the Finns recaptured the territories lost in the Winter War. However, the Finnish Army continued the offensive past the pre-1939 border with the conquest of Soviet territories, as well as halting only around 30-32 km (19-20 mi) from the center of Leningrad, where they participated in besieging the city by cutting its northern supply routes and digging in until 1944. The Finnish fleet also participated in the sea blockade of the city. It would have been terrible if the Nazi Nation had won together with the Finns the 2nd world war. This victory would have meant the destruction of the Soviet Union and various genocides against the Slavic peoples of the Soviet Union. But also elsewhere they would have exterminated the Slavs, for example in Poland, whereby they would also have exterminated certain nonslavic nations. It's a fact that the attack of 1941 served to support the Germans in completely destroying the Soviet Union. The Finns also knew what the Germans were doing, because they were there at the siege of Leningrad. In addition, the Finns also supported the German attack on the Soviet city of Murmansk and tried to besiege this city together with the Germans. The Finns wanted more than just to retake the lost territories. The Finns wanted to benefit from the expected German victory over the Soviet Union and additionally conquer more Soviet territory. To win, the Finns supported the Nazi nation in the criminal siege of Leningrad, which was part of the racist war of annihilation against the Slavic population of the Soviet Union. Because the siege was intended to exterminate the population of Leningrad. That's why 1 million people died in Leningrad largely by starvation. Mostly civilians. Which shows that the Finns didn't care that millions of civilians died in this war. The Finns also attacked and besieged Murmansk together with the Germans, which was definitely not a Finnish city either. That is why Great Britain declared war on the Finns and attacked Finnish troops with bombers too. Finland was so the enemy of liberators of Europe because Finland has allied itself with absolute evil.

I was once asking myself something about WW2 and the same question came up in Out Of The Foxholes the same day.

@@El_Presidente_5337 haha that's weird :)

@@amir-ng6jv The question was if the Germans and Japanese knew of each others victories and used them as propaganda

I understand the desire to get back territory lost but Finland also occupied Soviet territory and planned to keep it if Germany won. They were warned by the US and UK to go no further.

though if i remember correctly, none of them took the medals.

3 were awarded the Iron Cross - all declined

There were also scouting patrols sent across border much earlier than that. Some even with some sort of special rubber boots supposed to be able to confuse the dogs the NKVD borders troops used. But then again that wasn't particularly surprising. Though the other side was doing it too.

Based what? I have newer heard.

@@mikkotoikka3188 For starters (in Finnish): www.iltalehti.fi/kotimaa/a/a98051f5-b01d-4630-9c58-54b191694de5 or www.doria.fi/bitstream/handle/10024/156930/Hankitun_tiedon_varassa_web.pdf (there are more specific books on the matter too)

Yes, that describes the Finnish raid on the Soviet Union together with the Germans! Because they were the friends of the Nazi Nation! Finnish President Carl Gustaf Mannerheim named the Nazi soldiers in a letter to Adolf Hitler: "Our German brothers-in-arms..." Obvious, Finland was an ally of the criminal Nazi nation and also took part in the raid on the Soviet Union in 1941. The Finns fought side by side with these criminal mass murderers. Finland did this to conquer territory. Apparently Finland not only wanted the lost territories of the Winter War of 1940, but also wanted to take other territories away from the Soviets. The Finnish parliament declared that the aim of the war was to restore the areas lost during the winter war and to gain more areas in the east in order to create a Greater Finland. President Ryti said this to the Finnish Parliament in 1941. By September 1941, the Finns recaptured the territories lost in the Winter War. However, the Finnish Army continued the offensive past the pre-1939 border with the conquest of Soviet territories, as well as halting only around 30-32 km (19-20 mi) from the center of Leningrad, where they participated in besieging the city by cutting its northern supply routes and digging in until 1944. The Finnish fleet also participated in the sea blockade of the city. It would have been terrible if the Nazi Nation had won together with the Finns the 2nd world war. This victory would have meant the destruction of the Soviet Union and various genocides against the Slavic peoples of the Soviet Union. But also elsewhere they would have exterminated the Slavs, for example in Poland, whereby they would also have exterminated certain nonslavic nations. It's a fact that the attack of 1941 served to support the Germans in completely destroying the Soviet Union. The Finns also knew what the Germans were doing, because they were there at the siege of Leningrad. In addition, the Finns also supported the German attack on the Soviet city of Murmansk and tried to besiege this city together with the Germans. The Finns wanted more than just to retake the lost territories. The Finns wanted to benefit from the expected German victory over the Soviet Union and additionally conquer more Soviet territory. To win, the Finns supported the Nazi nation in the criminal siege of Leningrad, which was part of the racist war of annihilation against the Slavic population of the Soviet Union. Because the siege was intended to exterminate the population of Leningrad. That's why 1 million people died in Leningrad largely by starvation. Mostly civilians. Which shows that the Finns didn't care that millions of civilians died in this war. The Finns also attacked and besieged Murmansk together with the Germans, which was definitely not a Finnish city either. That is why Great Britain declared war on the Finns and attacked Finnish troops with bombers too. Finland was so the enemy of liberators of Europe because Finland has allied itself with absolute evil.

It was, however, important that Finland wasn't technically the first to make a move. One may think that that's an insignificant detail -- nitpicking -- but Ryti's attention to detail and technicalities proved extremely important in the end.

Mannerheim had much influence in the government personally and was listened to very carefully. He certainly had much against the Soviet Union . He fought against them and the previous government and was a conservative opposed to the Soviets. He was certainly not in tune with Nazi ideology but let us not completely whitewash him and his decisions.

Cary Black Why would there be a need to whitewash anything or anybody? It is a known fact that Mannerheim hated Soviet Union and the Russian communist regime. But not Russian people. And the main point was that they were not ’his decisions’ the way it is presented here. It was not in his hands to decide about war.

@@janelavie4115 Mannerheim had a russian ex wife with whom he had 2 daughters :)

@@caryblack5985 Whitewash? What is that what is whitewashed? Being on wrong side? Do think that it would have been better fight for communism like western allies did? If you say they did not, can you say Finland did not fight for nazis? I understand Finland fought for its independence but got assistance only from Germany (who of course had its own targets too). So for what is your whitewash?

Mannerheim's career began in the Russian Empire. From his point of view -- and others fought for the Whites in Russia, Finland, and Estonia -- Russia died with the Romanovs.

It is pretty well known here in Finland that Mannerheim detested Hitler, Mannerheim was an aristocrat and a gentleman and disliked characters like Hitler.

hey there

So what is relevant regarding the Finnish President Carl Gustaf Mannerheim is that named the Nazi soldiers in a letter to Adolf Hitler: "Our German brothers-in-arms..." Obvious, Finland was an ally of the criminal Nazi nation and also took part in the raid on the Soviet Union in 1941. The Finns fought side by side with these criminal mass murderers. Finland did this to conquer territory. Apparently Finland not only wanted the lost territories of the Winter War of 1940, but also wanted to take other territories away from the Soviets. The Finnish parliament declared that the aim of the war was to restore the areas lost during the winter war and to gain more areas in the east in order to create a Greater Finland. President Ryti said this to the Finnish Parliament in 1941. By September 1941, the Finns recaptured the territories lost in the Winter War. However, the Finnish Army continued the offensive past the pre-1939 border with the conquest of Soviet territories, as well as halting only around 30-32 km (19-20 mi) from the center of Leningrad, where they participated in besieging the city by cutting its northern supply routes and digging in until 1944. The Finnish fleet also participated in the sea blockade of the city. It would have been terrible if the Nazi Nation had won together with the Finns the 2nd world war. This victory would have meant the destruction of the Soviet Union and various genocides against the Slavic peoples of the Soviet Union. But also elsewhere they would have exterminated the Slavs, for example in Poland, whereby they would also have exterminated certain nonslavic nations. It's a fact that the attack of 1941 served to support the Germans in completely destroying the Soviet Union. The Finns also knew what the Germans were doing, because they were there at the siege of Leningrad. In addition, the Finns also supported the German attack on the Soviet city of Murmansk and tried to besiege this city together with the Germans. The Finns wanted more than just to retake the lost territories. The Finns wanted to benefit from the expected German victory over the Soviet Union and additionally conquer more Soviet territory. To win, the Finns supported the Nazi nation in the criminal siege of Leningrad, which was part of the racist war of annihilation against the Slavic population of the Soviet Union. Because the siege was intended to exterminate the population of Leningrad. That's why 1 million people died in Leningrad largely by starvation. Mostly civilians. Which shows that the Finns didn't care that millions of civilians died in this war. The Finns also attacked and besieged Murmansk together with the Germans, which was definitely not a Finnish city either. That is why Great Britain declared war on the Finns and attacked Finnish troops with bombers too. Finland was so the enemy of liberators of Europe because Finland has allied itself with absolute evil. ------------------------- Yes and in 1938 Czechoslovak mobilized 1 250 000 soldiers. The information about the Polish army is also wrong in 1939. Because at that time Poland had a 1 million army and the 5th largest army in the world! The information about the French is also wrong! In 1939 the French Army had 900,000 regular soldiers. However, it another 5 million reservists who had been trained and could be called-up in time of war. And the British Army had a regular army of 227,000 men, who were supported by a reserve of 173,700 men. In fact, the majority of the German army was engaged in combat in Poland in 1939, including 90% of the German air force. So if the French and British had attacked massively in the west, as agreed with Poland, the Germans would have been defeated quickly. But these cowardly "allies" of the Poles betrayed Poland and instead of attacking massively in the west, they hid in the bunkers and thus gave away a victory. Through this cowardly behavior they made possible the unimaginable crimes of the Nazi nation. A total of 50 million died as a result of the fighting and various genocides committed by the Nazi nation.

Hanko was evacuated by the Soviets in 1941.

The fact that the continuation war started with soviet troops entrenched like an hour's drive from Helsinki is weirdly often forgotten in Finland. The battles around Hanko and the surrounding islands are very interesting.

Fun fact: 35,000 is the total casualties of the red guard. Only 7400 reds were executed or "butchered" how you say it, and 1500 russians. All of them were given the death sentence during the war by battlefield courts which had been given the right to charge and condemn people by the senate under a "poikkeuslaki" ("an exception law", Finland had no constitution nor laws beside the russian ones to lean on to yet, they came in 1919.) Reasons for the death sentence ranged from treason to inciting a rebellion to murder of civillians or lifestock but most were executed for treason. The red guard were no innocent little angels. They did their fair share of butchering. 1400 white guard soldiers were executed with no battlefield courts and much like the bolševiks in Russia, the red guards went around killing bourgeoisie which they believed were "oppressors". The red guard were mere civillians that had gotten weapons from russian garrisons to rise against the government in an already hard time. It's treason in it's highest form. You need to look at history in the context of the era where it happened. You are looking at it from the context of 2024 with very socialist/liberal world views thinking it was a genocide where evil bad Mannerheim "butchered" innocent socialists for fun when in reality the socialists themselves started an armed revolution against the legal government and drove them out of Helsinki by violence. They attacked first against government troops. It was treason against Finland that had been independent for 2 months only, and thus everybody charged with treason was executed like in every other country in 1918. Nowdays they won't execute, but back then it was protocol. Mannerheim is the reason Finland isn't a post soviet state that got independent in 1991. That's what makes him a hero, and 90% of Finland agrees on that. Only far left people think he is evil.

Finland would have probably tried to take everything west of White Sea-Lake Onega-Lake Ladoka axis if the Soviet Union capitulated hard and then tried to exit any further conflicts. Well that's at least the popular opinion, I'm not studied enough to make an informed claim.

@@inoppi maybe not seppo, even at the time, Finland knew karjala was a poor and mostly soviet population. we might have just given them kariela back for free, in trade.

Exactly.

Jouko Thank you for watching, and sharing a bit about your father's experiences. Cheers to Finland 🇫🇮

Noticed couple detail mistakes with the pictures. One picture there is text "Finnish troops marching in the Soviet Union, July 1941". Troops are actually in Finland and they are marching in TO the Soviet Union. Location is inside current Finnish borders.

Second picture there is text "Carl Mannerheim in Helsinki, 1917". Year there is wrong. Time is May 1918 when white troops come to Helsinki after German troops had taken it from Finnish Red forces..