Is Genshin Impact's NEW Endgame Mode TOO Hard? 

This mode achieves the worst of both worlds, I think. IT is easy enough that veteran players can't really call it "endgame" because it's not very challenging, whereas newer players simply cannot even play it due to lack of characters.

@@Doro44c i also believe the actual enemies and combat are gonna get way more difficult i don’t think they’d make enemies insanely challenging in the first cycle, i wasn’t playing in 1.0 but ive had people tell me early abyss floors were insanely easy, so my guess is they’ll increase enemy difficulty too, plus just wait until a cycle is restricted to something like geo dendro anemo😭that’ll be plenty challenging on its own lol

@@Doro44c Agree 100%, I do not understand this idea I keep hearing of “it’s bad for new players” when clearly, that’s not the point of the game mode. I think it’s a great step in the right direction.

IMO, this argument doesn't make sense? Being able to build any character any day of the week doesn't fix the fact that not everyone likes every character. For me, I only like a couple electro, pyro, and anemo characters. Because of that, I had to use underbuilt characters that I don't like. For example, I don't like how Arlecchino plays. This game mode forces you to play her. Yes, I have other DPS's to use, but I only have so many that fit the requirements. The whole point of the game is to play/pull characters you like, but this game mode doesn't sync with that at all. Ofc this is just my opinion, so feel free to disagree!! :)

@@baguette_connoisseur it will only get harder later on. only polearms, or only characters from liyue type of restrictions would be funny and make people more mald though.

And don't forget that not all can upgrade all of them too even p2w only pick some and done

Yeah. 90% of the teams I use are based around dendro (often without any on field dps at all) In this new mode I felt like I couldn't use any elemental reaction at all, let alone useful ones. It was just about using 2-4 random onfield dps in one team, so it was a struggle for sure

My favorite characters are all hydro..😭

So basically it's kinda bad for most people

Well that’s the abyss deal. We’ve had that for the past four years. Adapt.

can't wait to be able to only use zhongli

And hydro. Enjoy three characters if you never wished for a limited 5-star

It's not going to be hell. I don't have single geo character leveled, so I'm just not gonna play theater that season. It's simple.

@@yamidanne omg you’re right

@@yamidanne that's at least more than geo's one guaranteed character

I'm just having too much trouble trying to figure out how to nav the ish. It's too diff than any other system. Which makes me not like it. I have no issue with the actual fights... Just the navi sucks ballz.

How!?

YESSSS!!

IF THEY LET ME USE MY GOOD CHARACTERS IT WOULDNT BE BAD. Im sitting here with their built chlorinde and arlecchino and I can’t kill 18 enemies in like 3 minutes… you gotta be lying cause I can basically get to floor 2 on 12 of spiral abyss

thank god we don't have to complete all requirements to get the primos and rewards, like me suffering for those 200 primos in abyss 11-1☠️

That is the issue. We all would love to build tons of characters but having the progression of building them limited to resin caps is an issue. Especially if you have a life and a 9-5 job. Imagine coming home at 5, showering, having supper then having to spend the two or three hours you have awake to try and build more characters and also only having 200 resin to use every day. It's like they wanna make Genshin your entire life at this point. At least make one of the build requirements resin free like boss battles, talent books or artifact chambers. It will take some of the grind out requirements out of the picture. It feels more like a chore than enjoyment with this. Incentivize building characters by making it easier to actually build them.

the trial chars are good enough to complete this mode cos the enemies are not tanky like the abyss, in my case I only have raiden, xiangling and benny built and I only leveled up the other ones to 70 then slapped random artifacts on them. I just saved the dps on the trial chars for bosses then I completed with complete stars so its fairly easy. also a tip for everyone, U can also use the Anemo/Electro mc! thats what I did, mc was the last character I need to try hard mode.

This type of content may take months to get to a decent starting position, would recommand just going for the easier difficulties for now, and go as far as you can.

Since the monsters are much squishier than the abyss, characters don't have to be built as much. I had characters who are not maxed talents and 4* artifacts who did well.

Just take your time this is a late game mode even one year player gonna be struggling unless you're a day one player

I've only been playing for 1.5 years and did not have a problem with filling the slots with characters, I cleared it easily enough and the rng is a nice touch. it would seem a lot of people are not familiar with rouge-like games which this game mode is and I think a lot of people are finding out that they did not invest optimally.

I plan to build every character in the game eventually. As of right now I have 54 characters that are built and have contributed to 36 stars in the abyss, so this event was a cakewalk for me

Do you mean 27 total characters on your account or 27 that you can use in the theater right now? If it's the latter I'm impressed, if it's the former, not as much.

2 years of playing, 24 well-built characters but I'm not even allowed to play the hardest mode because only 12 were eligible on my roster :O

Ayaka ?yes .furina No

its because it does not meet the required elements

Next month he can use both of them, so there's that.

@@spymadmax584 Nah, Ayaka is Baldie 2.0 and boring af 💀💀💀

​@@cedrusnguyen5188what's the rotation next month ?

“Unfriendly to new players” that’s the point, it’s not for new players. I’m a veteran (V 1.2) and it’s not boring for me, but maybe that’s because I haven’t spent hundreds of hours grinding artifacts. I cleared Act 6 on normal and that’s fine for starting out, to gauge how the system works.

It’s not that interesting for vets cuz it’s really easy once you have enough chars leveled and it doesn’t promote combat synergies, just throw some random chars together and only use the 1 or 2 strong ones you have in the team

Bruh its an end game content, why would it be friendly to new players??

I'm a day one player and for me it was so boring that I don't want to do it again. I'd rather have the old abyss reset back. Friends who started later see it the same way though. You get level 85 opponents at the highest level. That's ridiculous. I had just as much fun as if I was playing abyss levels 1-8 with a team randomizer.​@@matrixster6238

​@@deathmetalalchemist5861True, you only ever use 1-2 characters from the team because it is so ridiculously easy

Yeah but honestly it's artificial difficulty. Most people wanted bosses that have complex moves that you have to dodge or learn the attack patterns instead of a boss with a lot of health and large damaging numbers. Half of this is just gimmicky feeling and it forces you to waste your limited resources on element types you may not even like. And even if it's for endgame it forces those who are f2p to spend money or this endgame becomes one of those things that are locked behind multiple years of playing in which you'd have all story stuff done and have built characters but still you wouldn't be able to do this mode and complete and get all the rewards because you didn't build Geo characters. It's overall a let down and do keep in mind the semi-endgame we had with abyss is kinda gone as the rewards were cut in half cause it resets once a month so those who are in the earlier part of the endgame grind is screwed with even less rewards! Like damn we don't even get that much to begin with they're acting like having both would kill them. Hell WuWa has already proven that you can be generous with rewards while not ruining revenue from whales.

@@CorruptForces Hey, how about we let this end game run it's course, yeah? Personally, I enjoyed it. Didn't max my Stella's and some of my characters actually died while finishing the stages. Managed to squeezed through all 8 stages, and got all the rewards. It's a great mode for me, and I would imagine old players who have rolled and built characters over the years are revisiting them now. I mean what else are you gonna do in a gacha game but slowly build your roster? Am I gonna get fcked in geo? Absolutely, I have like, 3 characters max. But I only started taking the abyss seriously after a year. I understand where you're coming from, and it could be tiring hearing from all the genshin dick-riders. I'm not gonna say this is the endgame I've always wanted. But can we just CHILL?

@@hurricaneb6243 honestly rare to see someone with a Brain. Fair enough we did just get it although I still align with Tectone's view on the new mode. Although I'd be much better if they allowed you to borrow more friends characters especially since they upped the friend level cap anyways. I mean at least we got something so fair enough

@@CorruptForces It's not everyday I get a civil response, so cheers mate. I would be there with you raging at hoyo the moment they put dendro, geo, and anemo together lmao.

@@CorruptForces​​⁠​⁠i thought the theater was pretty fun. I get what you’re saying but having basically randomized characters against a lvl 95 boss at the end of hard mode can be challenging in its own way. Like i was stuck with klee, beidou, sucrose, and bennett in the end. And if i didnt have bennett i would not have cleared. I think what you’re asking for is a little out of genshins league too. We can have light mechanics like shooting things with bows or standing on plates but i don’t think genshin is the type of game with the type of player base that wants real puzzle mechanics in boss fights. And the theater rests every 30 days too. So how would they keep it fresh? Do they make a new boss every time? Also ofc WuWa is giving more rewards. It’s trying to eat up genshin’s player base by giving them what hyv doesn’t. 💀

Easy 😂 I have almost every cryo and shit ton of dendro to cover up for geo lacking.

There will not be such season. Ultimately Hoyo choses elements that react with each other, so Anemo/Geo Season is impossible also Dendro/Geo. Geo season can be with Pyro/Electro. So Arle team with Geo can be used or Navia with Pyro/Electro support. But still low chance, I think Geo will be only as Special Guests most likely.

Unless they add more Dendro reactions in the future (they should), that will never be a thing. At least 1 of the elements should react with Dendro.

its foing to be hydro+ cryo + either dendro or geo. which is still not good at least for my account. freeze and bloom teams are reactions I rarely focus on

I also do that, but then again, this thing was more meant for those that have been stuck doing Spiral Abyss for a long time

So far, the game has forced you to build a maximum 8 characters, no limits on who. This is for people to build and play with all the characters in the game, it's a really smart move from Genshin.

yes, it threw me off that now i'm forced to use characters whose play style i don't enjoy that much because otherwise i don't have enough built characters to clear all 8 acts :/ and honestly, with natlan right around the corner, i don't want to waste my resin on them, so i'm just going to wait until august to clear it i guess

I think we played entirely different game modes lol. Good luck clearing "protect turret, kill 45 characters and trigger 10 swirl reactions" when you didn't get Venti or Kazuha in the draw.

​@@Frenchaboo Sucrose would also work

​@@Frenchaboo there is no map that you need beyond 25 kills

​@@Frenchaboo Kill and reaction counts are bonus objectives. They aren't required to get the rewards.

Pretty sure there's one where you have to kill at least 35 enemies to get A STAR, and the bonus is keeping the tower's health above 15%, and all the enemies are extremely far away and even with Venti you just run around with 0 energy for sprinting. Arle's teleport was a life saver

EXACTLY! Over 50 characters built. Now is my time to shine! xD

@@revylee4541 Played since launch, with 63 level 85-90 characters talent level 8-10 all with their own artifacts and weapons here let's gooooo!

I’m also no stuck on act five because I can’t go to hardest difficulty because don’t have enough characters and I hate the vigors and the character limit

i'm stuck on act 6 because i either die or can't kill the boss fast enough because the best dps i can use at that point is electro and one of the enemies has electro res

Thoma, Fischl, Xiangling, Diluc

​@@GiraultAndreaFischl, Arlecchino, Kazuha, Jean

@@Valiant06 thanks for recommending using characters i dont have

I agree, I really don't understand some genshin players,they were complaining about the endgame mod being too easy and now after getting a hard one they complain about its difficulty

Wow someone on internet has same opinion/experience on Pure Fiction as me. Some side Note: I still don't get why most CC just ignore how good chars are in PF during a "tier list" or similar topics. Also PF is not discussed enough when new season opens.

Agree, I have 80 characters and already built 76 out of them, change teams from time to time and still having fun from 1.0 to 4.7, now waiting for 4.8 to come :D

​@@ronna798i have 20 plus characters and i have 8 that i maxed. In star rail, enemies have mechanics that makes me go back and build better, genshin new mode just takes away the characters and call that a challenge and time trials, i dunno if i like fighting darksouls boss in only 3 minutes. I say that i rather just play punishin gray raven with more skill rather than characters

and if you don't have 12 characters you don't like then just pay to get all the units you don't want! I mean god it's so easy, why is everybody complaining

The only difficult part for me was to stop using Zhongli for my bad combat reactions. And appreciate more "Just Dodge" skill that CC usually have and I lack. KEKL

This comment sums up my thoughts pretty well too. One or two of these gameplay elements on its own is fine by me, but having them all is just not fun... I don't mind playing wacky teams, except I want to make them rotate smoothly but that's impossible unless I'm allowed to swap artifacts between rounds (which I am not allowed to because the devs said we couldn't, for some reason).

it's obviously a character check yes. Characters dont need to be fully invested to do well in this mode, I think just one well invested DPS can carry 3 sub par built characters if you space your usage out well enough (if the game lets you that is. SMH hoyo let us use less than 4 characters on a team)

I get this perspective on it, but that's not how a lot of people play the game. Everyone I know only plays the characters/teams they like. Why should I build a character that I don't like? Its not hard to clear, its just goes against how most players view the game. Forcing people to play with the trial characters and the restrictions on team building just goes against everything Genshin is known for IMO.

​@@celestesstars "Why should I build a character that I don't like?" Then don't? You're not forced to. We are pushing 90 characters, there are plenty of fun and viable characters to choose from. If you can't expand your range even a little then maybe Genshin just isn't for you? What happens if you don't even like 8 characters to at least do the Abyss then? On the other hand, if you enjoy doing the same thing over and over in the abyss with the same 8 characters, that's fine. You do you I guess, but the game shouldn't have to cater to you just because you want to limit yourself so much. How does it go against everything Genshin goes for, when for the first time ever, we actually have a reason to build and use multiple DPS's of the same Element? With so many characters it's giving us a reason to use more of them, to me, it sounds quite the opposite. Before this for example, I loved using Arlecchino as my pyro DPS, but then for what reason did I ever need to use the other characters I liked such as Yoimiya and Gaming?

​@@shinobu1886 I have enough characters to fit the requirements. The point is that I don't have all of my characters built. I have all of my favorite characters built because, for me, that's the point of the game. It's not hard to get 8 characters for abyss, but with the element restriction in Imaginarium Theater AND the character requirement being so big, it restricts team building so badly. For example, you can use Yoimiya in this season because shes pyro. However, you cant do vaporize with her because of the element restriction. You cant even use Zhongli with her, which is her most commonly used teammate. The only way to make an overload team work is if you have Chevreuse, who isn't even available for trial. Even if she was, you'd only get to use her twice. Not only that, but you'll end up using half built characters just to meet the required amount. Limiting players with the element restriction is just irritating. I was able to clear it, but why play this game mode when I cant even play my favorite teams? Abyss is fun because its challenging, but still allows you to choose whatever team you want with no restriction. Even though the second half of this abyss heavily favors Hydro, you're not forced to use it. You can still break the pyro shields with other elements. This game mode is a good idea, its simply too restrictive. I feel like they just need to remove the restrictions entirely. Also, you have always been able to build multiple DPS characters of the same element. Gaming, Yoimiya, and Arlecchino are very different characters with different strengths. Theres no negative to building all of them since they all fit into different teams. For example, I wouldn't use Yoimiya for a floor with multiple waves. I would, however, use her for a boss floor like Coppelius. Also, depending on your favorite teams, one team might be better suited for a specific floor/boss. Genshin is about pulling and playing your favorite characters, not restrictions on team building/who you need to build to succeed. Thats my point.

​@@celestesstars You're literally just explaining exactly what is intended with this mode, building characters and breaking the meta. Why do you think overload was the theme? Everyone knows outside of chevreuse isn't not exactly a great reaction. There are so many contractions here. Like you claim to like the DPS check Abyss more because it's "challenging" but complain about the new mode because I guess not using meta teams for yoimiya is difficult for you. If you only care about using characters you like that it shouldn't matter what characters are 'commonly' used with her. Why would I be using half built characters? "Why play this game mode when I cant even play my favorite teams?" The 3+ years of the same 2 teams in Abyss wasn't enough for you? or any other content in the game? I mean, while questionable, if that's what you prefer, again, no one is forcing you to play IT. "I feel like they just need to remove the restrictions entirely." People have been asking for an endgame mode different from Abyss and now we finally got something much more fun, fresh and unique and people still complain and you're literally just wanting another Abyss. Again, like I said, if you only want Abyss, just play that, doesn't mean the game needs to cater just to you. No, there was never a reason to build multiple DPS's of the same element. 1 was more than enough, and you didn't even need 1 for each. But if that's what you think that it was worth building multiple, then this also contradicts your entire argument and there shouldn't be a problem right? Anyway, all of that and the main point doesn't change. Genshin is about a lot of things, building a variety of characters is absolutely one of them. It would be silly of a gaming company to not encourage this basic concept. People have been asking more Endgame and they delivered. Abyss wants vertical investment, IT wants horizontal investment. Both are optional, but it's called endgame for a reason. As I said, if you want to limit your roster, that's on you and your decision alone. If they just let you pick your own teams just for you to be like okay here's my usual hyperbloom/vape/mono hydro team etc, what's the point? Just play Abyss.

Or even add some replayability to it. Like imagine you fail a run just because you have like the worst debuffs....8 easy stages. Watch hoyo take all all this feedback and implement it in zzz

they're going to hear you and put in the consecrated beasts

@@abhiss6705 you get an achievement for having alot of buffs... i forgot the other achievement. but yeah, it's fun but lacks replayability.

No sir, this is not bragging. This is just being stupid enogh to play this game for so long ;P I have a lot of build characters myself, but its mostly due to battlepass.

​@@Bullminatorshhh... Let em cope

You'd be shocked to find out this is actually pretty untrue. If you have the resources to fulfill the character quota, it's not fun because the enemies are extremely easy to beat - like I keep beating Act 1 by only using my Burgeon Thoma and Hyperbloom Shinobu because overloads do enough damage to clear lmao So either you don't have enough characters to beat all the stages and you're not having fun, or you have enough characters but the enemies are too easy so you clear without a sweat. The in-between cases are very rare, but they also don't have it good either (RNG makes or breaks a run for those kinds of people, some of my friends are in that scenario and they've complained too. om).

@@marqkc dude it’s case by case that’s your experience not mine

If you like it power to you but Can’t deny the fact that it’s very restrictive because most people don’t build every character

Yeah I started playing like a few months ago and literally do not have 18 pyro electro and anemo characters 💀

@@gtgtgtgtgt123456789 you'll get there. Just keep playing!

​@@gtgtgtgtgt123456789level 70+ don't forget

Can always just reopen the tutorial menu in-game if need be

i have the same problem but with anemo characters

I have only one pyro dps, arlecchino and two dps anemo not well built and one dps ready electro I was fucked from the beginning

@@elnys9141 I have 1 pyro dps (arleccino), yae fishl and kuki are my only built electro characters, and my only built anemo characters in general are jean and faruzan. My tactic of only pulling a couple of characters per element has come back to bite me in the ass for this endgame itd seem 🥲

You. You understand. 👏🏼👌🏼

@@zealora in the long term and at the end of the day it's very healthy to encourage different play styles: in this case, vertical vs horizontal character investment

what a great comment! I build that way too and it's finally nice to be rewarded for it. Because it was a little annoying when c6 Ayaka mains were saying abyss was simple. I have a 40/289 crit, my Ayaya isn't weak, she was just c0 with a burst half the size. People can build their accounts how they want, and I chose my way, but it also means I wasn't willing to sweat those final 30 seconds to earn 9 stars on floor 12 and have been missing out on those 50 primos for years.

i prefer abyss just because i can at least use all of my characters there

Pyro/Electro has decent synergy. Imagine if later they have dendro + cryo or geo + cryo. Of course we can expect it will get harder in time, that's how hoyo does it.

@@Thedarkbunnyrabbit I atleast have 2 or more strong char from each element so i think its not gonna do much for me

@@zeroprimo2623 Well, the randomness + likely increased difficulty of mobs will probably make only 2 strong chars unreliable

I've been playing for a year by this point. I have very few characters leveled and built due to saving XP Books for High Priority characters. The fact that I'm forced to build characters that aren't in my priority is restrictive to me.

Remember, not everyone has the same luck in terms of pulls, artifact drop rates. My luck has been shit in this game even after a year of playing. Lets not get into the artifacts. I only last month managed to clear abyss past floor 12 and not even 36 stars. So we gotta take into account how people's luck on their accounts have been too.

@@cameronuy9552 True, I've been farming golden trouple for 5 months to get decent artifacts on Furina/Fischl/Chiori, so far pretty mediocre builds, meanwhile my Neuvilette was built in 1 week and is on top 3% in terms of artifacts without even really wanting to focus on him. You can build an account/characters in a few months, or if unlucky be way longer. My Ayaka has been in purgatory since 2.0

​@@TundraRageWhat makes characters a priority to you? Honestly, leveling characters to 70 and using modest artifacts farmed in a week is good enough. I have no characters below level 50 but I also have no cracked characters. So you can see that for me, this is awesome. It's mostly a case of people prioritizing the abyss not being set for this and that's understandable.

This adds up. I have been playing since late Dec and I have 13 characters eligible. This means I am building roughly 2 a month and with the extra 3 months that you had, I could've had enough. Frankly, I am just offended that Genshin would build a mode that I have no chance to play, so I am not even interested in finishing one player for medium mode. I will probably just focus on fine tuning and completing the 13. Unless they start selling resin in the store and then I will be able to really start grinding.

i was thinking the same. it’s not like abyss where all the objectives have to be met by a time limit and it’s like chaos. a lot of the star objectives are pretty basic some are timed but a lot are just about enemies killed. and i think a lot of people are focused on making teams when tbh it don’t think it’s a necessity. i literally ran trial clorinde, keqing, baizhu and jean for one act and got the required objectives. i just think people need time to adjust to it

True, especially for support units. You can easily build a half ass super mid but functional unit at the bare minimal.

yeah i remember never using anemo traveller. i just used her as my ticket to get in hard mode lol.

I think the problem is that no one knows what they want and those that do all have different ideas of what would be good.

​@@effortlessfury In that case genshin really should focus more on working with the feedback they receive from their community each patch and find a solution to this. It is the developers job to find ways to satisfy their audience. If they can't do that, they are doing bad. I am a game developer myself and worked on games myself. If i don't know what my community wants after 4 years, i am just doing a poor job. Still, the mode isn't garbage, it actually has a nice concept and i like some things here and there. But it has some huge flaws in my opinion that should be adressed.

@@BeautyBoy4577 I've also developed games, and I don't think it's their responsibility to satisfy the audience. If they want the audience's money, they'll have to, and they're of course going to WANT to, but there is no responsibility here. The problem is that you can't satisfy everyone. Anything regarding endgame is going to involve tradeoffs and things some people simply won't like. There is no solution to that problem.

​@@effortlessfury There are many games that do listen to their community with great success and can satisfy a majority of their audience, i can't agree with your point that the developers are not responsible to satisfy their audience. Clearly there are companies and games that prove you wrong here. If you are a passionate developer, you care about your community. If you are all in for the money only then yes, you are right. And i know you can't satisfy everyone, but for me it looks like genshin doesn't even satisfy part of their target audience. They promote a new endgame and many players who waited for a new endgame after doing the abyss only for years are disappointed. Still, the mode itself as i said can be improved and i hope people let the developers know about the issues so they can work on that. But just ignoring the issues and accepting the endgame as it is right now will never change anything.

@@BeautyBoy4577 "If you are all in for the money only then yes, you are right." You forgot, "If you have a vision for your creation." As I said, a developer wants to make the player happy, but a developer can't make everyone happy, and a developer also wants to make something that makes THEM happy, too. They should not be slaves to the community, especially if it would pull them in 100 different directions. The best they can do is listen to feedback and adapt it to the things they want to create. That hopefully results in something everyone loves, but I think it's more important that THEY love it than any given player. Players who don't like it can just not give money and/or play that particular game.

Lol there's no thinking involved. The enemies are so easy you can clear it with triple dps.

@D4C_267 the fights are easier than abyss, but they still require decent teams for the most part. If you have a decent team, or hyper invested characters it becomes easy, but taking the wrong team can screw you in a battle. This is an end game mode made for people who have built a lot of characters, not those with hyper invested c6 fove stars with 400k resin spent on their artifacts.

@@zogar8526 Wrong. Keep up the cope. Too easy garbage

@D4C_267 great argument. It isn't hard, but neither is abyss. You just like all the others only want to cry so you can hate on genshin. You have no legit complaints, which summons up you morons perfectly in all you do. Pathetic.

​@@zogar8526 found the hoyo bootlicker, keep up with the cope🤣

The new endgame mode is a scam because now Hoyo forces us to build characters we rarely use for barely 200 primos monthly more. IT should be an additional, optional content; instead it took away from from the Abyss. Also, good luck creating teams when RNG screws you over.

You do realise you can't even start the mode if you don't have enough characters levelled?

@@mattandrews2594 That's why it's endgame.

@@mushroomarmy8802 It might be, but that wasn't the point. I was disputing you saying you can beat the Theatre by only having "some" built characters, which isn't true. You need a specific number.

I literally can't even play hard mode cause, IDK Kazuha and Jean are enough for all you need from anemo My main dps are Raiden and keqing, I have never gotten a Kuki or Chervreuse

exactly. People argue that requiring 18 characters is great so you are encouraged to level up more characters. But thats just a stupid take. It does not encourage you to build more characters, but rather it forces you. If i want to do the hardest difficulty, i would have to level up characters i dont want to just to do the challenge, even if they are just benching afterwards i have to waste resources and time on them i would rather spend for the characters i actually enjoy.

You don’t have to do the hard mode if you don’t want to build many characters. You can just focus on Spiral Abyss. You wouldn’t lose out on that many primos. I don’t know what’s so crazy about having an end game mode that wants you to build many characters instead of two hypercarries.

​@@BeautyBoy4577you don't have to play the Theater if you don't want to, just like I ignored floor 12 because I was more interested in horizontal investment rather than vertical. I really want to say "gitgud" to people like you. Liking the mode is not a stupid take, it doesn't force you to do anything

​@@TheAllu I can't even do normal mode because I don't build any other characters, my only built Anemo is Kazuha, and the only 2 Pyros I've built are Xiangling and Bennet.

@@TheAllu thats exactly what i do already. Still a stupid take to just ignore this issue in my opinion.