Is Going to College Worth it?: VICE Podcast 031 

razerxrob yep

U tube is the alternative best eye opening..educator

Right.

razerxrob yeah try putting that on a resume.

@@tennektrey5227 lmao

+Paul Langton-Rogers As long as you're attending an institution that has tests, exams, schedules, pre-defined metrics and a pre-defined curriculum which you can't create or modify then you're still within the Prussian paradigm. Being given a select number of options without the option to create your own without restrictions, is the illusion of free thinking. You're still living within an open corral...

+Errol Lowe And yet the German model has evolved since to provide there students with a much more effective and cheap education system. I am from Canada so the cost-benefit analysis is more more in favour of getting educated then the US model CURRENTLY. With that being said we have over 60-70% of our population that is graduating with a college degree, and currently with older generations living longer and working longer we have run into a bottle neck in the pipeline of people trying to get into the workplace. You see people with full on degrees working at Starbucks as a barista. I have been saying this for a while now. Some teachers are naturally gifted, however all teachers should learn how to teach (university level). As a university professor you are required to produce research each year, so your incentive/job security isn't primarily based on your ability to teach your students. Lastly, college is a place where people learn how to think differently, but we have changed how it is done. We used to learn philosophy and then go into a specific subject area of interest. We now learn a particular school of thought without going to the foundations of how to learn. I absolutely agree with your statement that, "The entire education system needs an overhaul". We need more hands on learning to teach soft and hard skills. I honestly think that college degrees should be decreased in price and they should be structured in a way that gear you into a 4 year degree more regularly. It sort of exists but its growing and probably not fast enough.

+vanhoot2234 Agreed. The current system teaches what to think but not how to think.

+Errol Lowe I agree that they didn't discuss the Prussian model but they did discuss a lot of good points; mainly that the people behind the education system are not university graduates or professors; and their purpose is to serve the interest of Universities and colleges which is to profit from the masses and masses of students. Its not about educating students and improving their lives; its about the ruling class ruling over the lower class

+Errol Lowe Well said.

*Always*..

Tuition should be free for everyone.......buts that's wishful thinking 😕

wbl2012 was that at me??

Simoss13 Duh. Everyone has to start somewhere, though. Eventually, most people will have to have a college education just to have a decent job. Working your way up from the bottom is becoming less common.

G Money ha!! WhWho told you that? My boy had to become a cop because he couldn't find a job

@Jimmy Strudel I should slap both ya for making slave wages.

depends on the major you choose !

​@@TheMsnitish Get into an apprenticeship. Then years later maybe 2-4 later go to college partially financed by the employer. I am totally against 17 and 18 year olds going straight to college. It's been a bigger gamble for Gen-Y and Gen-Z. Parents who don't do any financial debt/career assesment research and just want their children out the house are doing them a big disservice. Another alternative can be the military.

Community college classes are nearly always smaller too. Would you rather be in a class in a giant lecture hall with 200 other students and have your papers graded by TAs and never interact with your professor, or a class of 30 people where you can ask questions and talk with your teacher after class if you have questions?

wow

@@Jessinking very wow

lmao

omfgwtfbbqpizza Good point.

well said

Roberto Lopez-Briones times when you could get a good programming job on talent alone are over everyone expects a degree even from a fleabag Bancock diploma mill

SNHU is worst.

Alfred Munoz what'd you major in

@@angelique6746 gender studies.

Please do explain to me exactly how a teacher can individualize how they teach to hundreds or even thousands of students.

You're close! The best (great) teachers I've known were outstanding in their profession! Their words & style exposed my thinking to the classes subject! They knew things. They didn't have to search out the students! The students had to apply themselves.

+Ricardo Franco thanks bro!

+Ricardo Franco Lolz xD

Ricardo Franco I think that I just fell in love! Thanks!

Ricardo Franco you didn’t watch the video

@@ShidaiTaino i wonder if she, or he, would have any credibility without their college degrees. there is something very hypocritical about college educated elites telling others that college is not worth it, which pisses me off, because they are not asking the right question, that being, does college prepare one for the job market? that depends on the degree and field, but mostly, no colleges dont prepare students for the job market, they do, however, open doors to interviews, networks, and resources, which is what college is really about. so, fuck them, and their question, and the narrative they are trying to push. if you want to go to college, and have the grades, and the discipline, and the money, to go, go, but make that effort count, milk the experience for everything its worth.

He comes across as really professional and thoughtful. If the narrator from the 'Ocean Garbage' documentary had been doing this he would have most likely tried to hook up with Anya then end with some cheesy tag line. Probably along the lines of "The lesson I learned today was... that love is the greatest education."

KASPER. Definitely, some of the other "correspondents" try so hard to be cool and edgy and come off cringeworthy and lame. The best ones seem to be Ryan Duffy and Shane Smith as well as the short skinny nerd. The girl who did the piece about the indonesian tribal blood festival thing was pretty good too.

KASPER. rofl

I wish my parents had the mentality you have they dont understand now a degree is not good as it use to be. College does not guaranteed success anymore. Like if It was my choice I go become eletrician or a welder or both. Continue to learn different trades and I will never be poor

Here is my advice show them the data. Show them the student loan horror stories. Off the top of my head I remember Student Loan Debt Forgiveness (yeah their are Millennials complaining and wanting their Art History degree or other fluff degree forgiven), but from 2000-2014 the average cost of college tuition at State schools increased by 80%, in contrast real wages actually fell by 07%. A college degree isn't a key out of poverty into the middle class. In fact some students end up with a mortgage without the house🏡. Take for example, myself I took out $14,082 in student loans getting a Master's degree in teaching from GWU. My employer DCPS was so desperate for special education teachers they paid for my Master's degree except 2 classes. My husband and I saved up about $35,000 in a little over 5 years living in his nephew's basement apartment. We then bought a house🏡 for $105,000 it's small just 894 sq ft, but it's home. I then concentrated on paying off our minivan 🚙. We then were able for me to stop working as he is a plumber and ain't no Shane in my game he made more money then me. Especially since people are flushing baby wipes down the toilet 🚽 he sometimes has to disconnect the toilet to fix the issue. Sorry I rambled but find a career that you like to do and also research it's earning potential, college or trade school should be viewed as a business investment so you should calculate the college costs versus the degree/trade certification earning potential as your overall Return On Investment. 👊👌✌

Nope even with STEM you have tons of competition and don't get shit unless you are a PhD and have published and if you try to get a normal job that pay better they see your degree and you are throw out for being over qualified I have publish 3 papers have been co author of more and have STEM degree and can;t get a job anywhere yet my sister a highschool drop out is making more than out mother who has another STEM degree and has been in the workforce for years Oh and that high school drop out is working for walmart

this comment is 10/10 bro

But, but, but, a college graduate WILL earn a DECAMILLION more dollars in their lifetime than someone with only a high school diploma!!!!

Nickolas RW that is also true...

+Nickolas RW.I liked the way u said a college graduate, which means not all college graduates, so there is really no guarantee success, which means its a gamble, but u are paying for that gamble with student loans and huge expenses which may end up damaging your future. so the question is.......is it truely worth? "But, but, but, a college graduate WILL earn a DECAMILLION more dollars in their lifetime than someone with only a high school diploma" yeah, so would rappers, artist, business man, fashion designers, and fighters, so wats your point, because it definitey not about money? go and tell that to mayweather

Freshtanner ibez all good jobs are being offshored! And the rest are being filled with H1 marginal scum low skilled low, IQ many can barely speak English god help if want a report from one!

I mean i don't know interview wise but I've seen him on Bill maher, i think the hate comes more so from his political stand points. I can't remember exactly but I do remember disagreeing with some of the things he had to say. Not all but some things i can remember thinking BS.

Probably because they're homophobic. He's a great interviewer.

JL Apparently, it's possible to hate someone for being annoying or unintelligent without also hating them for being different. For example, I think what you said was stupid and I have no idea what race or gender you are.

OMGmyFACE Feel free to give an example of how he's annoying or unintelligent.

Seriously, I'm all ears. I only know him really from his interviews on this Vice channel… and yes I made a blanket statement, and I probably shouldn't have. But a lot of the hate for him is definitely homophobic in nature if you look at comments on his videos.

And what is the likelihood that any non-college-grad is promoted to your boss's position when he retires? Nil.

TheJapanChannelDcom I'm guessing I was bit by a dog. Where are you? You did great. Don't even care if I'm right on all three I'm the only guy to answer this after all this time so I win bigly😏!

Fail... Correct versions are I was bitten by a dog Where are you You did well

Grammar is not education. What education actually is, is this: wisdom and learning a subject that not only improves oneself but has the capability to help you improve society.

I was bitten by a dog.... Where are you?

I agree...colleges are a business!

To be honest most people should not go to university but a trade school, or community college to learn a skill set to get a job. Studying sociology or liberal arts job opportunity is just as good as a teen working at Mcdonalds. Just going to college does not mean anything anymore. People nee to make wise and conscious decisions especially if your taking loans and borrowing money. Heck if your going take a loan use that to buy a buisness and invest in real estate something that can make you money.

you clearly don't understand pedagogy. classical physics is useful and still used in engineering lmao. gravitational waves are not used anywhere, and most people are engineers. furthermore you cant teach higher level concepts without first teaching higher level approximations first that are useful but fail to get some more granularity of detail that higher technology has given as for your EE experience that shouldnt be the norm

That's right! Did you know that a college graduate will earn a DECAMILLION MORE dollars over the course of their lifetime versus just being a high school graduate! (I'm kidding of course) :D

It differs from state to state and county to county. What's more of a joke is how private and charter schools are poorly regulated, again, this is state by state and county by county, but tends to have far less oversight in any official capacity. I spent a year in a private school where a portion of the curriculum was devoted to praying TO, not FOR, George W. Bush. I had teachers actively telling students we lived in the end times and that the then president of the United States would herald only 'true christians' through the apocalypse. This wasn't some camp in the hills, this was a K-12 private school, smack dab in the middle of California's central coast.

Jeffman12 whats the schools name?

Pacific Christian(Orcutt, CA) mind you, this was in 2000/2001, they may have improved, but from what I hear of the two sane teachers I had, one was fired after coming out of the atheist closet, and the other quit because, while still Christian, she was offered a better job at a private school that wouldn't compromise science and health education for a religious agenda. I heard the following year that a girl came back pregnant from the annual class trip to DC, not having understood the biological process she had undergone, she briefly believed the event to be immaculate conception, until she and the father were taught that sticking a penis into a vagina tends to do that. It just so happens that was the year, and location, in which I adopted the handle I use today.

I'm also in CA and know how appalling public schools can be but wow!

Not to say I never had a problem with public schools, the one I had problems with might actually have been worse than that, but I only spent about a month there.

the modern concept of university is wrong, what you call university is a technological institute..... university (from latin Universum, aprox. the whole of the knowledge) was not to obtain a grade rather to obtain a knowledge... but everything is business today

David Martin Bassail Which makes sense because people see the university as this sort of a gate-opener to their future careers. If it was just the whole of knowledge it would be basically a library that would not be able to sustain itself (?). Perceiving different things as potential businesses is the way to go IMO, because it provides the needed motivation to youth (myself included) to try and establish our careers in the area that we want (be that new industry (Social Media) or an old industry (Accounting); not really industries but I hope you see my point). The problem thus, IMO, is not what the university is, but rather what the university offers to its students and how its approaching the educational process (does University care? Is it interested in people being successful?)

To make this statement of value, you have used an argument that is unquantifiable and exists only in your intuition. Pointlessness in itself is entirely subjective as I could, with a line of reasoning, also make quantifiable subjects like math and logic, seem entirely pointless. The arts of quantifiable reasoning are only tools to abstract reality into a workable media for the mind, and are often incorrect and rely on broad generalizations of categories and what it means to be a thig. One of the things you learn in a philosophy degree, is that tautological systems, while being absolutely quantifiable (and you learn how to quantify them), solve almost nothing other than the how. They can be 100% mathematically and logically sound, but when applied to actual time and space, the predicates used in the arguments are somewhat useless for the questions humanity would like to answer with them. They can allow you to peel away ideologies that are unfounded and illogical, but they also can not provide any answers. Learning is for a lot more than providing the ability for humanity to obtain more material wealth and conveniences. With no context, or reasons why were moving in a given direction, or valuing the creation of technologies, progress can not be considered progress.

letheal "Learning is for a lot more" - You're very vague. A lot more as in what is it? "With no context, or reasons why were moving in a given direction, or valuing the creation of technologies, progress can not be considered progress" - But there is context, the context of what we knew, how we communicated or what were the priorities before and today. Just because I've not brought the "bar" by which we shall compare does not invalidate my argument. Trying to say that a moving car is not moving until we establish the correlation with another object is a little silly don't you think?

@@QuickSaveTV "What was educationally significant and hard to measure has been replaced by what is educationally insignificant and easy to measure. So now we measure how well we taught what wasn't worth learning." The argument that what is easy to measure on a bubble test is worthwhile and what is hard to measure on a bubble test is worthless is the belief most harmful to education today. You would make our math and engineering graduates mindless lemmings incapable of doing anything but repeating information while simultaneously trying to devalue arts and humanities.

Pell grants with loans make it possible for many.

This is very true for 4 year degrees and some 2 year programs. The Pell grant is just enough or the 2 year institutions where I live. Many of which train for trades in the fields of electrical technology and nursing. Those two fields generally yield high success rates among graduates.

kaz9781 After 12 years of hell I knew so-called higher education wasn't for me! Truck drivers rarely starve

University of the People is a legit American accredited college. It’s tuition free & they have transfer partnerships with UC Berkeley & NYU for top students.

Truck drivers in my state make good money but have no care about the cost they do to homeowners to the property they destroy and the companies they work for have their hands in so many pockets that no sanctity of government want anything to do with it because any argument will cost money so financially its easier to let the public pay for their property repairs than to pay for it them selves. And the public cannot defend themselves against industrial deformation.

Ellery The sole two reasons I would go to college are 1- to get a degree that would be of use to me in business and 2-to build contacts. For whatever reason I've never really been interested in that college mentality of drink till you can't stand up.. But I can definitely see where you are coming from, that college can of course be useful but there is no guarantee. You really have to ask yourself, would you be where you are now without your degree or contacts that you got in college?

Ellery In the end both parties are striving for the same goal, so long as you don't cross one another it is easy to work as a unit to get to where you want

your parents are so adamant because they are helplessly brainwashed. Starting a profilable business is a lot easier than people make it out to be.Especially with the internet and kickstarter. The cost of failure has never been less. And if it turns out that you aren't meant to be successful entrepenuer, then you can still get a $4000 comp sci or finance degree from uopeople.edu (first ever non profit online university thats also 501c3 non profit) This is all coming from a 19 year old who is self sufficient from doing computer work with no college degree. Not going to college has been the best decision ever for me! And now I have so much more time to learn and grow on my own, using the internet.

Tell them to pay for it.

Endezeichen Grimm the cost of college is free where im from living expenses etc are not

what about international relations

+patrick Thotho My major was International Security, very similar to International Relations. Unfortunately, unless you are already connected, i.e. your parents are Diplomats, you are in Skull & Bones, etc. You are not going to be taken seriously in that field.

+patrick ThothoThotho I second what Joe Heine said. An ex-boss' wife had an MA in International Affairs, but she could not use that degree at all. She does quite well now, as an interior decorator. As for me, I got an MA in International Affairs. Not using it. Thank God I had a law degree and was in the right place at the right time to be offered an administrative law job for a state government. I was already working for the state in a very non-law, under-appreciated, non-International Affairs position. The need arose for someone to fill the administrative law position ASAP. My supervisor with the state, put in a good word for me with the other state supervisor, the one who was doing the hiring. That did it. But I sometimes wonder if the "new" supervisor was really just so amazed that I had been working as hard as I had (with all my education), and for so little, that she had to give me a chance. I don't think I would have gotten that if not already on "the inside". But if you really think you'd like to do International Affairs, and you have a plan, go for it; but maybe have it as a minor, or do a double major with something else, like engineering. Or, work fulltime somewhere and pay your way through school part-time, so when you finish, you'll not have a lot of debt. Maybe the place where you had been working while in school can put in a good word for you some place where you can actually put your degree to use. Nothing like a good reference.

+patrick Thotho Not worth it! Unless you double major (e.g. Accounting).

+Leslie Hutchinson Agree! Don't complain that you're in debt and can't get a job if you major in something worthless, like gender study, theater, etc... Even business is iffy and their unemployment is around 9%, which is huge. I would only recommend business if you have huge connection from your parents. So many people get business degrees that it is almost worthless nowadays. Even in engineering, only some are worth getting while others are worthless and won't get you a job. Go to college if you are 100% sure that you want to major in biology going into pre-med or pre-health or to become a lawyer. That will get you a job instantly right after grad school.

+Justin Saunders When you are charging 300 for a 9 dollar book your whole argument is voided.

+Justin Saunders i agree with you but you can not get a job in he field you want unless you have a degree and that really sucks

I went to college, got the degree, got the job I wanted, and while I was good at it and enjoyed the work, there were other aspects of it that I didn't know about until I started the job, making me realize that I would have never gone into this line of work if I'd known what it entails. Now I do it as a hobby as I used to

even If you are sue about your degree, its important to see the data of unemployment in your chosen field of studies. If you go for arts, criminal justice or human development.....you are fucked.

LoL. I mean, cops make good fucking money in the states but if you wanna be a cop your beat bet is to join the army. It will give you a way better shot at becoming a cop/fbi agent instead of going deep in debt for a useless crim. Justice degree.

+Hassan Artan Because they want to get as much money from you as possible hence why Gen Ed course are mandatory.

I'm kind of in the same situation. I always ask the question; how is a person suppose to get hired if they don't have any work experience? How is one to get a job if they can't even put together enough material for a resumé? Also, how is one to get any work experience in the first place if they can't get a job to begin with? We live in a world where it is very hard not to be pessimistic, but we live on anyways.

yup, im just thankful and blessed i dont have school debt unlike so many poor souls.

SuperDimi111 Saaame.

Missioneer You get experience from internships or working for family friend. I had 3 internships at several blue chip companies. It was a turn off, so I just started up a company and plan to sell off once I hit my numbers. It is just one huge rat race.

Missioneer You get experience from internships or working for family friend. I had 3 internships at several blue chip companies. It was a turn off, so I just started up a company and plan to sell off once I hit my numbers. It is just one huge rat race.

... a voice of reason.... our entire academic system is garbage. The goal shouldn't be graduating more people with useless 'liberal arts degrees'. The idea that college and liberal arts degrees "teach you how to learn" is ridiculous. Want to teach yourself how to learn? Go get a library card and have at at it... The idea that you can go through 13 years of public school and still not have the skills for a job that pays more than $7.50 is insane. Tack on four more years of "liberal arts education" and $50-$200K in debt and you still aren't worth more than minimum wage. Advice... If you aren't majoring in something related to science, tech, engineering, or math - save yourself four years and a few hundred thousand dollars....just go apply for that job at Starbucks or Applebee's right now. College should be about obtaining an employable SKILL. Not filling your head with theoretical garbage.

***** Like what?

***** Exactly... higher education should be about obtaining an employable SKILL.

Robert Stevenson the STEM myth is dead. Flood the market with STEM and still no job

hi HE360, Congratulations for staying motivated to get your degree. I cannot agree more about the incurring piles of debt is increasing. I would love to hear from you where are the best places to find scholarships? What extra activities helped you win the scholarships? thank you for taking the time to read this!

Hey Anonymous, I got my part of my tuition paid for through the FAFSA Federal Pell Grant which gave me a great majority of the money that I needed. The FAFSA was given based on my income at the time. Since I wasn't making that much while working in a grocery store, they gave me more money. I did my first two years at a community college where tuition was dirt cheap. I spent two years there where my tuition was around $600 per semester or less and that was paid for again by the Pell Grant. Then, when I transferred to a university, not only did the Pell Grant continue to help me, I got music scholarships each year. I played the Tuba and I was given around $500 each semester to play in the band. Finally, after a bit of searching, asking around and referrals, I got Jazz scholarships through a musician union's organization. Well, they gave me about $1000 the first time and then they gave me from $500-$100 each year afterwards. All I had to do was ask for it each time. That organization is no longer around (at least I don't think they are), but all of the above made it so that a good 90% of my undergrad college tuition was paid for. The other 10% was paid for by me working at FedEx whose tuition program took care of my last two semesters. Finally, when I started working as a teacher, my job paid for me to finish my Master's degree. Thus, above was the way that I get through college without great expenses.

wow, HE360, thank you for replying quickly and sharing your helpful tips. I am also using the Pell grant and WIA and hope it covers but I am staying in dorms which I believe is a rip. i can not play any instruments but i should ask around for other scholarships. so the key is to network and find a job with tuition reimbursement. great advice :)

The main problem to me is that in today's world, going to college isn't the most effective way to learn and master anything, people go there most of the time to socialize thinking that all they need is a diploma to get a job and work, almost nothing is learned in 4 years and that's bad.

llllllllllll You said a mouth full there and I completely agree with you. I went to college for about 2 years until I dropped out. I was taking unnecessary yet mandatory classes, it felt like I was repeating high school again and to be honest I learned almost nothing. The only thing there that would teach me something I wanted to study about was the books and tutorials on websites. To me (in my opinion), college is a waste of time if you are not allowed to accomplish anything in the span of 2 years.

LOL "there have been doctors, engineers, lawyers etc.. who have never set foot in college" not sure if your being serious. In the modern era every doctor and lawyer has been to college. College is only useless if A) you or your parents can't afford college B) You are a lazy kid with very little ambition C) You decide to attend a prestigious university but major in a useless degree, like art. D) You are ambitious and come from a rich family who can financially support you.

LOL "In the modern era every doctor and lawyer has been to college" That is a very vague and cliche statement. Now that would be almost 100% true if you knew every lawyer and doctor and verified their educational origins across the globe. Like I've said before there is no price on knowledge and that is now more universal than ever in this era. Anyways my point is that there are many other ways to go about getting in a desired field, college is one of them but its not the only option.

illsologamer The majority of doctors, engineers, and lawyers have gone to college to hone their skills. You can check the statistical data. For such individuals, it is very obvious that universities are the best place to hone their skills. I agree with you that education should be free. It will be then not so easy to fool people into making horrible decisions.

I think they should probably modify the question to: "Is going to college worth it... for Everybody?". Because I do agree that for those who can really take advantage of the gained knowledge and perspective of a "higher end" education (as compared to HS, CC, etc.), it is more often than not a good investment, both personally and for the economy as a whole. But for others, the cost may outweigh the benefit if they aren't able to extract the full benefit of a post-secondary education, but are merely going because "that's what you do after high school".

I'm in the process of getting my degree from Aarhus University for free with a state provided income, so i don't have to work too much and subsidized housing. But then i live in a social democratic Welfare State. It makes me eager to get my degree and 'pay back' to society because they're giving me so much and i want the next generation to have the same options. This is how a humane system should work.

Yeah I also don't get these complains about the cost. I went to community college and then I went to a public school and studied engineering. I paid all my tuition costs in less than a year when I started my career. The problem is that college is being industrialized...... I personally think its not demanding enough and its too easy to get a diploma. Also more practical skills should be thought and employers should be active in training students and not just expecting the college to do all the work for them.

Kris Vladimirov >Some employers won't even consider you unless you have post-secondary education. Those employers are idiots. Who gives a shit you learned a bunch of theoretical nonsense from college? Work experience and marketable skills triumph a degree every time. And college does not make you a smarter and more skilled individual. The amount of debt you accumulate from college nullifies any of the advantages college gives you. You spend 4 years learning a bunch of nonsense. You spend 4 years learning stuff that you could easily find on Google. You spend tens of thousands of dollars learning stuff that you can learn for free online. That sounds like a GREAT deal. Are you kidding me? College is a rip off.

AmandaNerdBot You have a negative attitude and a severe lack of understanding of what a college experience is. You may THINK you're "learning a bunch of nonsense." I thought my experience was very rewarding and enriching. That's the difference between you and me. That's the difference between the educated and the uneducated.

Thank you for stating this. Why do people think they are entitled to a degree? The flip side is that colleges ought to be more careful about their admissions and use a system that selects students who are driven to succeed

would this still apply if you were to buy an rv and live in it full time??

trill trey Yes for some people but for many it's a bit too inconvenient.You have to find somewhere to park it,hookup water etc. and while it is even cheaper than a small house it's a lower quality lifestyle and would be better served as a temporary situation.

I don't care how cheap the how is, with a basic job, How do you expect that these individuals will be able to pay off a house by the time they are 28? Also, if the house is REALLY cheap, there is a %100 chance that they'll have to put money into it to make it at least comfortable. With a basic job, how do they accomplish this AND pay off this money pit by the time they are 28? EXPLAIN!

1995Benzo Interest rates on a 15 year loans are less than 3% right now.If someone buys a house that needs some TLC for around $150,000 that would cost around $1000 a month.(still cheaper than most rents) With food,electricity,auto costs and insurance most people should be able to earn the couple of grand needed a month working almost anywhere.Even if it means two part time jobs. And you wouldn't have to do it for 15 years either. If the price of the house appreciates anytime in that 15 year loan period you could always sell it for a gain and use the profits to pay down the next fixer upper or just keep the profits in the bank.

***** Allot of textbook authors seems to be paid per word rather than content, maybe that's the reason they seem to like to cram as much crap into the books as possible.

***** It's just a shame that the US educational system is churning out a broken educated class. They either need to bring the loan repayment system in line with how other states manage their repayments. IE the UK or as stated in the video no degree no fee simples.

That would be a start, the loans should be low rates and goverment loans aswell.

Huh "college degrees are already too expensive for the value they prove". Tell that to any IB analyst making 70k base salary and a bonus of 20-40k. First year post undergrad. Degrees are only useless if you major in a useless topic.

Araib Baddar Badaar Mahmood Khalid Sardar Man. Do What You Do. If that works for you, great. If you're an IB analyst than you're probably a free market guy like me, right? So, the market will set the value of these degrees. If people get a good ROI on that degree program, it's not overpriced. The only thing I'm arguing is college has kind of been in this ivory tower where it's been insulated from market pressures, and I see that dissolving, and I think that's a positive thing.

+TheFanatical1 Ehh, its getting there man. Still a great place to make money but it is getting stupid.

+TheFanatical1 i don't think so. Every person should be asking themselves this question, most people get degrees and go into the real world with nobody wanting to hire them. unless you want to work in medicine or something like that college wont help you but will leave you with debt that you can't pay for because you wont be able to find a decent job because you don't have any experience because........ if we keep going any further the world will collapse on itself.

If STEM degrees were as common as liberal arts degrees, computer programmers and engineers would be making $25,000/year.

James Saunder I was one of the those Algebra 1 guys. Had to take Algebra 2 for four straight quarters (3 repeats) in college just to get a passing grade. Two years later I couldn't tell you a single thing about it.

Alexander Wilson I failed algebra two my junior year then I went to summer school had a great teacher and passed with a 94

Good luck! Don't give up!

+Paul Harmon Writing this comment, I had no chill whatsoever haha.

+joshdj12 You're like the voice of reason, haha. Especially with your views of networking and other branches of computer science. It's just that I like to think that making millions of dollars is not as hard as people make it out to be. With my example of the pet rock, you can see that it doesn't take a genius to make millions, but rather just a creative mind. Colleges shove information down your throat and even for useful degrees like CPU science. What I usually urge people to do is just learn CPU science by themselves so they won't be in debt, and they can start coding in seconds. Apps are the trend nowadays, so just get a good idea, and make a successful app. It can be simple like snapchat, which is one of the most successful apps today. Snapchat is nothing but sharing pictures, it didn't take a zuckerberg or some kind of innovator to come up with that. I can conclude by saying bravo to you for understanding what's useful and what isn't.

+Kevin Shukla I actually have the pet rock lol

+kevin shukla you can get one at think geek lol

+Kevin Shukla Totally, formal education is overrated. Especially now, i mean you can seriously Google anything and find an answer within minutes.

+4727csy and youtube

Udemy

+Lor fetti & Coursera; Khan Academy; others.

+DepthOfField I hope this is your attempt at irony. Wikipedia is good to spark your interest in a subject. Depth is found in online courses and books.

Robert Stevenson Depth is found in internal links.

I think it's the last business left.

+Gianni Zamora the cream will rise until it sours. After you get to a higher level within your organization you will not rise anymore until you get a degree. The more you wait the harder it will be. If you are 20 begin to prepare for that and attend college part-time.

+TheMorfin2011 that's understandable but my ambition isn't to rise a corporate ladder. I would rather create passive income by investing in different opportunities.

***** Don't underestimate the connections that could be made and the knowledge that you gain through school. Licenses and other knowledge are useful in the pursue of passive income specially in real estate and financial investments, or to get to the venture capitalist that will fund your next project. If you are young take your time experimenting and if you see the need or the value later you are smart and will know when its time. Good luck on your journey!