Is it finally worth being an iPad artist? 

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Yeah I agree I would much rather have a thicker iPad with larger battery and storage

You were the one who caused me to switch to the iPad all the way back in 2018, which really saved my butt during the when our art school labs got shut down, so thanks for that.

Finding your channel has brightened my day. I’m so tired of listening to talking heads who don’t have the experience that you do as an artist, and tend to spend way more time on the technology and the company that made it. Also, props to your Lavalier microphone taped to, an Apple Pencil.

iPad for art as in photography is more fun than clicking and sitting at a computer so that’s why I use it over my Mac majority of the time.

Loving Procreate and Dreams on my M2 IPad Pro! When I started doing TV animation in the 90s, this was truly beyond my imagination!

I have a 2020 iPad Pro and 2nd gen apple pencil (also purchased around that time) and both still work flawlessly. I don't necessarily travel much, but there's just something really comfy about the iPad and Procreate that I like. I do still switch back to traditional and my Huion non-screen tablet (with Krita!) now and again, but my iPad been a great companion. Would definitely encourage folks not to stress about the latest and greatest. The only thing I'd stay away from is the first gen apple pencil, just because it's so heavy it actually hurt my hand to use. 😅

I didn't know there was an app to Do A Barrel Roll! 😂

I’ve had Paperlike on my 2020 Ipad pro for about 4 years now and it has only recently started showing any wear. 10/10 would recommend :3

The two biggest misses for me that Apple did from an artists perspective, was as you mention, the thickness are lack thereof. The Pencil improvements are lacking. If they integrated a form of EMR so it doesn’t need to charge and added an eraser, it would have been a lot more exciting. The squeeze I’m expecting will distract when I’m just holding the pencil tight, so like tap in gonna disable it. The haptic thing will be distracting. With animation, I feel too many people are sleeping on RoughAnimator, as it’s just so basic and intuitive, and it just has what you need for brainstorming. Then Callipeg is basically a TVpaint alternative at this point. Toonsquiq is also another good one. I think Zbrush will be a rebrand of Forger that Maxon bought a few years back.

Paperlike my beloved, been serving me since I got my ipad years ago 💖 Love hearing your perspective as always Brookes!

You can use Pencil Pro on the new iPad Air. Confusingly named

Really surprised that the new iPad Air can use the new Pencil Pro - kinda thought they would lock that into the more expensive one.

I’m still rocking a 2018 iPad Pro. It replaced my macbook & is the best digital sketchbook there is. I do all my content creation & media consumption on it. Having said that, I may be tempted to finally upgrade for the OLED screen & Apple pencil Pro… but it’s a testament to the longevity of the iPad that if I didn’t, I could still do everything I need on my 6 year old iPad Pro.

Technical note! Apparently the nano texture screen is a $100 option, BUT it's only available on the 1TB+ options of iPad Pro- thus the price jump from the base model that I mentioned in the video of $800.

I got an iPad in 2019 and I’m gonna switch back to photoshop and buying a screen tablet. I don’t draw on the go as much as I thought I do plus I’m finding that iPads have a pretty short shelf life and need to be upgraded frequently. Plus I miss a bunch of functions in Photoshop that aren’t in Fresco or Procreate.

I am currently using Ipad Air 2019, and layer limit and sometimes performance are getting quite annoying. My birthday is 2 days before the release on 15th, so I think this is a good time for an update.

i still have my 2019 11" ipad pro and i was mainly planning to upgrade my ipad for better peformance. the lack of compatibility with the gen 2 apple pencil is a complete dealbreaker, it seems to be a clearly anti-consumer/pro-profit decision, and i'm not copping that cost. i'll have to keep my eyes on the price and availablity of the ipad air and pro models that are being replaced by the new lineup - now i face a deadline for when the third-party retail stock dries up, so hopefully i can get one for a good price before that happens.

It was interesting to find out your 3d experience involved Lightwave, one of my old fav applications. However I transitioned to Modo many years ago and found it much more user friendly than anything i’ve used in the past. I was surprised when I saw that Blender literally stole Modo’s UI a few years ago. That said though blender is free I still like Modo. 😊

can you use apple pencil 2 on the newest ipad air? i really wanna buy the 13 inch but don't wanna buy the new pencil if possible

I agree with you about how thin this thing is.. my new 13" pro has a flex when on a flat surface and I'm typing on the screen - doesn't make me feel confident about my purchase. The real problem I have with this is Apple could have put 5 or more different features, or improved features into this iPad BEFORE worrying about how thin it is. It just isn't something anyone really wanted. I would have rather had a 20% larger battery, or more options for grips/tips with the Apple Pencil, better speakers, larger screen option!!, or software enhancements. But how thin it is? I never once thought yeah "hope the new iPad is as thin as 4 credit cards" - I don't understand Apple 90% of the time. I really don't. Probably why the iPad is the only Apple product I have these days.

I've never enjoyed buying apple products, but its hard to watch so many people effectively using an iPad for all of their digital art and not be enticed. I had a surface pro at one point, but the pen for it has been lost for years.

The Apple Pencil Pro thankfully works on the new Air. Though it really depends on what specs you need. My biggest concern is heat given that I do a lot with 3d and such, and the M2 iPad Pros overheated horribly. The reason the Pencil Pro isn't backward compatible was that the camera repositioning required a redesign of the magnetic charging/linking function in both the tablet and pencil.

This has been the first as a wacom user i've thought about getting an ipad and pencilpro. So good. Yeah the thinness is really bad. How is sidecar these days? Does it work as well as say a wacom in photoshop?

I'm an Android-and-Windows user, but Procreate does look like a really solid drawing program. I'm looking to get a new tablet for drawing within the next year. Is Procreate worth the switch to iPad, and can I do it without getting entrenched in the entire Apple ecosystem?

They had to make it thinner to sell new Keyboard and other accesories. I would have preferred same thickness and better battery and heat dissipation and make the use of the new keyboard an option. Also I would have like the apple pencil connection to be moved to the side of the ipad instead using the same magnets so that the pencil could be used on previous models.

oooo. you look so drawable here.

Hard to justify the new M4 if the M1 is still under utilized to this day.. So basically, if you have an iPad with the "M Series" chip, you're good.. But yeah, being an iPad artist for 7 years now, is what keeps me creating.. Although it will largely depend on your lifestyle and workflow.. 😊

Really enjoyed this video. My take on the event and announcements was largely similar to yours, so I found myself nodding quite a bit as you were talking. Hope you are having a good and creative week. (Also, did you mention in passing that you’re dealing with shingles? If so, I hope you recover quickly.)

Light wave is coming back… Maybe they could’ve focused on the iPad, I think it will be hard to convince people to pivot back to it on computers with current 3D app landscape.

I love the interface and innovative workflow in dreams. If they just added Reference layers for coloring and a lasso tool for adjusting compositions than I'd never touch another app.

My question I have here is I have the iPad Air 5 with the M1 chip and I wanna be able to use my iPad more professionally for videos and art. Do I upgrade to M2, or is it worth spending M4??

They said something along the lines of "they are moving one-step closer to the ipad becoming a magical pane of glass." To which I add "that we will undoubtedly put in a big chunky case in order to protect it for when we inevitably DROP our expensive investment." The layer limit in Procreate has more to do with RAM than it does with processing power. Even the old M1 chips are more than capable of running Procreate, Dreams, and even Fresco buttery smooth while reaching their respective layer limits. It really has very little to do with the M4 chip. The reason the Pencil Pro isn't compatible with the old M2 models is because to add the haptic feedback in it and re-position the camera to the long side of the ipad, they had to move the charging magnets in the ipad itself. The new pencil will not connect appropriately to the old ipads and the old pencils will not attach to the new ipads appropriately either. However, I wonder if the only caveat to the new pencil on the old ipad is that it charges slightly off-center or does it just not charge at all? If it is just an aesthetic issue, I can live with it if it means I can have rotation in my pencil, especially when my clunky Logitech case has a nice thick strap to hold it in place.

I have a 2017 10.5 Pro. I’ve been deliberating on upgrading to the newest M4 iPad, or switching to the Galaxy Tab S9+, or waiting for the Galaxy Tab S10 series…

I also agree I dont like thinner , ill take lighter. It’s like apple said “here you go a MORE breakable item’” .

00:16 i don’t mean this rudely, but more like 8.5 years. The first gen iPad Pro came out Nov 2015. That’s what I still have, and I’m finally upgrading to the new one.

Pencil Pro won't work with older iPads because the charging and magnet setup is different on the M4 Pro. The selfie camera is on the landscape side now in the same place as the old magnet position, so the Pencil Pro is just meant for the iPad (Pro or Air) 2024 magnets. (Edited Pro to Pro or Air on the last line after @PSy84 's correction)

Great video thanks. I think ipad is fantastic for painting. But I sometimes do large poster like illustrations with a huge amount of layers. I would much rather work on those on my 2x32” monitors. However I would not mind drawing many elements on ipad. So I use a hybrid setup.

I use a third generation pro and I’m itching to upgrade to the new pro. Do you think that’s worth it?

Another nice video mate😊👍👊

Hope the storage and range is enough I'm looking into buying this ipad for my art hobby and since the new 2024 ipad it's a for sure lol

Definitely nice to hear an artist's take on stuff like this. I do want to note something. I use CSP for my art and while yes they did start a subscription model, you CAN still buy it once and not pay another cent, and UNLIKE Adobe, you don't need a constant internet connection to use it. While I'm not thrilled CSP started a subscription model, again, you CAN still buy CSP once and never again, you just get the newest features sooner via the sub model, once you go from full version to full version it's the same as before. It's also usable on the iPad, too, and as Brookes said, your familiarity with your tools can often supersede any notable improvements elsewhere. I've used CSP ever since I went digital 4 years ago and despite going the sub model, as long as you can buy it outright and can wait on new features between full versions, it's my main program for the foreseeable future. I know another artist who had the same assumption, and I while I don't comment here as much as I'd like, I wanted to set the record straight on this front. IMHO, CSP is still an ETERNITY better than Adobe, esp. for non-iPad users like me. On that front, part of why I've wanted an iPad for years is because I wanted to try Procreate after hearing so many great things about it here and from other artists I know, so a desktop ver. would certainly be nice for those of us who can't yet make the investment in an iPad and all you'll need for it to just draw. I just started getting into animation myself, but I'm merely testing the waters, freelance digital art is my main focus right now, and while skill matters WAY more than tools, tools are cool and can help to some extent.

Interesting vid.

I started digital art experience with ipad and xp pens, and I got wacom intuos pro after I got into school and now I just don't want to go back to drawing in ipad, I don't know why people wants to escape the wacom + pc environment to much. I use krita for painting, animating and it's just awesome!

I’ve been holding off getting a new iPad to get a nice future proof product that I can travel home with and I love the new pen but I really was worried about the AI bit… I think they totally hand waved it

The Pencil Pro works with the Air and the Tandem Oled are less prone to burn in due to the dual layers

If someone hasn't bought any iPad before, which one would you recommend for an artist to get?

An ipad version blender would be great

If Procreate is talking about Desktop Procreate that leads me to believe there might be a new iMac with touch capabilities. Might be a stretch, but i could see it coming at some point.

I want more battery, lighter, not thinner ( unless it’s really durable.. I bent my old iPad… cause I leaned back..

Ngl, I was super hyped for the pencil pro and I still am... but compatibility is a horror show in 4 acts (like litrally...) I would need to trade in my iPad Pro 4th Gen for an iPad air and STILL pay 500€ on top just to use the new pencil And IF I don that, my old penicl 2nd gen just becomes completely useless I would've payed 200€, maybe even 250€ just for this pencil but I really don't see me trading in my perfectly fine iPad pro AND pay on top just to use the new pencil Sad though, because the new features are actually the one's I hoped were coming

I love what Apple has done for digital art. But this is in no way revolutionary. I’m not gonna buy it because it really doesn’t do anything that my m1 iPad doesn’t already do. The next thing Apple is gonna have to do to get me to buy a new one is either increase the base models ram so I don’t have to worry about layers in procreate or make it 16 inches. Though it is incredible how procreate maximizes screen real estate with great interface design - 13 inches is still too small.

Also when it comes to to animation toonsquid in my experience is really good, better than procreate dreams in a lot of ways and is easy to get into if you’re used to procreate and it’s like 10 bucks so if an animator wants to use an iPad they could do that one

Pretty sure new Apple Pencil pro won’t work on older iPads since they had to change the connection on the side due to having the camera on that side also

They try and make the 13” look so big, but the actual measurements are measured diagonally. So side to side and top/bottom measurements are less than 13”

I'm considering getting one instead of a cintiq for PC. Not sure how good or bad the connectivity is. I think you need a separate app for that to work. Anyone with insights here?

45 seconds ago is maybe the fastest I’ve found a video uploaded. Also I’m hoping that someday procreate gets to the level where it can become industry standard. Because despite photoshop being better in some ways, it is just so expensive and has these little obtuse things that just makes me hate it. Not to mention firefly not automatically being opt out.

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Dont get the latest tech if you're on the fence. IMO, you're better off saving money

Just an fyi, the 2nd gen Apple Pencil is not compatible with the new iPads.

It was worth it years ago

Allmpeocreate needs to do is vectorize n blur :)

Please. Do not buy that nano textured glass model. Buy a matte screen protector instead. If that screen gets scratched there is nothing you can do about it. A screen protector gives you the same result and protects the screen underneath. It’s just throwing 100 dollars into the fire

Left Apple last month but miss Procreate so much as Android art apps S****! Was thinking about getting another iPad just to go back to Procreate. HATED everything I saw in the announcement show for the new iPads. A lot of stuff (and fluff) not many want, like thinness, Personally I think the last iPads were thin enough. Apple stop trying to make the iPads disappear!. The colors in the ad were all horrible. Wat is with that ugly tube thing on the backs (I'm sure it was just visual but ugly). The crushing of all those objects (ya I get it) but was just stupid. The whole event was horrible and possible the only interesting thing worth anything was the new pencil pro (they could have just sold that to use with past iPad pros) NOT going to spend $$$$$ for an Ipad that basically has nothing going for it. Ya sure m4...but who cares as the m2&3 are fast enough for a tablet. I really wish I had kept my iPad pro because Apple just seems to be losing their minds and it's so obvious they have nothing innovated or worth the prices anymore. One last thing, How about doing something most want like a full blown IOS on the Pro's! Or an option like Samsung has with Dex.

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wait procreate is 20 bucks now? i bought it for 6 quid a few years ago

Where exactly did you get the info that the 2nd gen Apple pencil is working with the M4? I found some info saying the opposite: The second generation Apple Pencil is not compatible with the just-announced new iPad Pro M4 models. The front camera and FaceID sensor array have been relocated from the short-edge to the long-edge of the iPad - such that the camera and sensor array are now positioned top-centre of the screen when the iPad is positioned in Landscape orientation. As such, the camera/sensor array now occupy the internal cavity previously used for the second generation Pencil's inductive pairing/charging system. To accommodate this change, the charging system for the Apple Pencil has been completely redesigned - moving the associated electronics to different cavity locations along the top edge of the iPad chassis. The new Apple Pencil Pro has been specifically designed to accommodate the new physical architecture. As such, the second generation Pencil is incompatible with the new iPad's Pro. Similarly, the new Apple Pencil Pro is also incompatible with earlier models of iPad Pro. Unless it's only info about charging the pencil

Actually Apple Pencil pro works on iPad Air.

The cheapest 13" iPad Pro + Apple Pencil combo (without keyboard) is getting DANGEROUSLY close to Cintiq Pro 24 prices, so there's literally no reason to get it if you're working on professional work unless just like buying Apple tech because reasons, nothing against that if it works for you, but iPadOS is a joke until this day. It's already more expensive than the Cintiq 16, Cintiq 22, the new Wacom Movink 13, a plethora of Huion/XP-Pen tablets and even Galaxy Tab Ultras. Even a cheap Windows PC/laptop can run illustration apps like Clip Studio and it's something that majority of the world own so there's VERY few reasons to buy these overpriced Apple devices. EDIT: I think even the newly announced 4K OLED 16" Xencelabs pen display is cheaper?

More videos like this please! More in depths of apps available to iPad creatives!!

What the best way to use the ipad as a pressure sensitive screen on windows?

7:47 Correction: You can NOT use your old Apple Pencil with the new iPad Pro’s.

If it hasn't already been mentioned, the reason the pro pencil doesn't work on the previous M2 models, is the new landscape camera location. The internal edge magnets on the M2 are different than the new models just revealed.

a couple of years ago I decided to get a Microsoft surface book instead of an Ipad pro. price-wise the ipad was cheaper so I really considered it as a portable option and tested the one a friend had for a couple of hours to see if I liked it. I decided on the surface because it had a keyboard in the price, I am used to office and know the programs I am using work on it and I don't have to relearn keyboard short cuts. hand gestures are mostly a cause of frustration, I prefer to press a physical button. so it was mostly that I was too lazy to change my entire work flow just to use this device. I was a bit disappointed by the apple pencil because painting in procreate wasn't nearly as intuitive and "plug and play" as I was used from my pen display and graphic tablet on my desktop. You had to fiddle with the brush to make it even draw a line properly, like the pen pressure was wacky. that has been years though and since it's probably been updated a lot seeing how many professionals use it. the layer limit also put me off because i easily get into 50-100 layers on a bigger piece, so hearing that this is fixed I might try apple again. not a big fan of the trend to make tech as thin and light as possible, I don't know who the market is for that either tbh. I mean it's nice that they are nit as heavy as the laptops from the early 2000s because that was a lot of weight and space in your backpack, but I don't necessarily need my drawing device to be lighter than my sandwich. I am clumsy. things fall, I shove stuff in my bag carry them around...I don't such an expensive device bend out of shape because the backpack was standing next to the heater.

I was trying to get into digital art, but it is headache trying to figure out some stuffs...

7:23 It's due the the wireless charging array being modified in the newer models of the ipad to accommodate the Landscape camera system.

So the only comparison with the iPad is a Wacom drawing monitor? Yeah, ok. I'll be sure to let the digital artists using Samsung, XPPen, Huion, and other manufacturers know their efforts are all in vain. 👍

Paper like really wears down your nibs Astro pads screen protectors way better. It's also magnetic so you don't have to like permanently put it in place

Also they need to open up root access cause files really sucks. And a safe eject for externals

After 10 years I switched to samsung. Never regret it, no bullshit, fair pricing and offer, compatible and awesome features that will be released on Apple devices 3 generations later for double the price and not compatible with the last gen

If you need the anti reflective screen, there are 3rd party solutions, and if you want more storage-just get an external one!

Correction, the new iPad Airs also have support for the Pencil Pro, not just the iPad Pros

I just watched a video prior to this one where that artist claimed the Apple Pencil Pro works with the M2 iPad Pros. Might be wise to check any claims made before making a final decision. Edit: I just checked in the Apple Store app and the Apple Pencil Pro indeed is compatible with the M2 iPad Pro, both 11- and 12.9-inch models.

Air can use pencil pro

For comics, Procreate is okay, but is *_not_* Clip Studio; it lacks many of the production-level features, as well as vector trimming on its Vector Layers.

So the new Apple Pencil doesn’t just stick to the side of it and charge now??? That sucks.

Hey mr. Eggleston, long time viewer and commenter. But the thing you are holding is a pencil. It is for drawing, not for microphones. I hope this helps you in your art journey. :)

8:59 apple ai enhances their cameras automatically. What are you talking about?

I avoid Apple products like social interaction, so I'll just stick with mouse and GIMP for now.

iPads have so much processing power but at the same time they are so LIMITED!! for example, procreate has a limited number of layers...

The biggest issue right now with the new ipad is the price. 2500 for a tablet your better off getting a whole PC setup. This Ipad isn't anything special than the previous generation, and now that apple has clearly expressed interest in AI this just leaves a sour taste in artist mouth. This is such a sensitive time where artist are advocating for legislation and not being replaced with AI and here comes another company wanting to sell us a tablet with generative AI features. Like no. We shouldn't tolerate that, The price point and the AI bullshit. Artist already have to spend so much money on industry standard software that this is just another slap in the face. A pc with a basic drawing tablet is so much cheaper than this one tablet. Hell even buying older ipads are better than this.

The iPad sucks if macOS is not on there what’s the point

You have been using the iPad for years, but the title is if the iPad is finally worth it for artists? Dude ...

Big disappointment for me. I would have liked an all screen iPad with no bezels that I can actually use to program on.

If one has to wait for the latest and greatest ipad to see if its ready for art. Just quit and go work as a yt moderator.

macbook sucks- ipad is powerful but not necessary, idk apple is just funny- yeah im using ipad because of procreate- only reason

Artists work wasn’t stolen. Learn the definition of theft. Artists didn’t lose anything. Not money. Not physical arts itself. So no theft in AI Hope this will help

ALLLLLGORITHMS!!!!!!

I don’t think you can use old apple pencils on the new iPads, the new m4 iPad Pro and m2 iPad Air only are compatibles with the new Apple Pencil pro 🫤