CJ Rayburn always said he developed his chassis ideas on pavement first then transitioned them to the dirt. It's no surprise to see a modern DLM go fast on pavement. We use wider, softer tires and have a hell of a lot of mechanical grip in these cars.
Well today’s dirt racing is like pavement anyways. 99.999% of tracks are smooth dry slick and looks like pavement racing anyway. Late model technology is so advanced the cars suck on heavy rough tracks. So putting them on pavement doesn’t seem like much different anyway. Put slicks on and watch the same racing
@@stevesimonds7837 I don’t think it’s so much the tracks either I think it’s the late model it’s self, they rely on that nose to turn so everyone is getting the body’s skewed and it’s ruined the racing. Only time you see a good late model race is in the Midwest on the bullrings where that spoiler or nose don’t even really matter
There's actually been a few dirt cars that have had success on pavement 😂 Curt Spalding had the track record at Kalamazoo Speedway for the longest time that he set with a Rocket on lm40s at their call of the wild night.
I've seen them running on asphault years ago they did it once a year at my home track Caraway speedway is aphault and they.come and raced and it wasn't much different then the Asphault Outlaw Latemodel Division they look similar too SLMs but I don't wonta see dirt cars pavement I agree with u
I was at What once motordrome speedway a half mile blacktop track. They ran a dirt late model on the track with dirt tires at intermission and after he got a couple of l a ps started going after the track record, this guy was running 1/2 of a second faster that the track record, those blacktop people couldn't believe that. They used the score board to record that guy running laps during his run. It was a local guy that ran at Pittsburgh pa motor speedway.
Longhorn wins because they share info with their customers it seems like. The rocket house car always wants to be the leader of the bunch. Longhorn doesn't care who wins, as long as it's one of their chassis doing it.
You couldn’t be more wrong. Rocket is very involved in establishing a relationships with car owners and crew chiefs, assisting them in initial chassis setups (getting a car baseline), then tuning the car to the driver. I have owned several Rocket chassis’s, and every one performed well. We didn’t always win, but we were always competitive.
@robertwestover2125 I do believe Rocket will support you up to a certain level, but they will never let someone else be better than their house car and that's what will hold them back. I have been going to dirt late model races for about 15 years, back when Josh Richards was in the seat. I think in those 15 years, there has been less than 10 times I've seen another rocket car beat their house car. With Longhorn, its anyone's night. Moran, Marlar, Pierce, Sheppard, RTJ, Davenport, Hudson, any one of them can unload and are a threat to win on a national level. With Rocket, it's only their house car that is competitive on a national level.
ESS just ran this past weekend at Evans Mill.Speedway in N.Y..Dirt modifieds run at Wall during the Turkey Derby. These are both asphalt tracks so what's the big deal.
I remember a few years ago people were saying "its the Rocket racing series" or Mark Richards racing series". Look at it now. Longhorn racing series. Both national series......... All manufacturers take turns at the top. Right now its Longhorns turn. I wouldn't be surprised if Rocket is in process of designing a new chassis to replace the XR1. Its been 8 years and 10-15 seems to be the lifespan of a specific chassis model.
I used to love the "Dirt Cars on Asphalt" races that BJ Parker promoted around the southeast. Those guys would put on a heck of show at places like Birmingham and Huntsville.
I’ve seen comments stating that the dirt cars on asphalt is not going to work because of the bodies, tires etc. Others are saying that this is the wrong decision because they will be slow etc. Those comments are completely irrelevant and false. That dirt car that looked so slow that everyone thought he was pulling into the pits was turning 14 second laps. At Anderson Speedway, the asphalt late models are running 15 second lap times. The first time on track and they were turning 14 second lap times, they will get faster and it will be a good show. I remember when the sprint cars came to race at Anderson, they were turning mid 13 second lap times and slowed down to low 14 second laps.
We went to the Summer Nationals race at our home track/Spoon River Speedway last week. The series is lacking something, cars and crews all looked fresh and like they haven't been on the so called hell tour. It really just feels like an extended version of the Mars tour with just a few exceptions of national drivers the first week of course. WRG needs to bring back the 28 races in 31 days schedule or just mothball the tour. The Monday off days and weekly points have watered the product down along with the lack of series drivers following the last week when the tour heads to Michigan, Indiana and ohio. #MakeTheSummerNationalsActullyHellAgainPlease
Chassis game is basically a 2 horse race on the national tour it seems. How about showing the numbers of how many longhorns, rockets, ect, are filling the fields. Not just the win numbers.
I was up north on business/personal and found ESS by accident. They put on a great show with good car counts and now when I'm up there I try to work it into the itenerary. I would love to see them run on ashphalt.
It's a numbers game. When you have the majority of the big names in LH they better be winning! It's a cycle and Rocket is still winning in the non-big touring series.
We did it years ago. Tri County in Hudson NC closed for the 4th years ago. We knew they were going asphalt. We won the first race back. I got smart and went to Harry Gants shop and talked to Travis Carter. He knew our car and gave me some tires to run. Asked what they were since I had to pull the inner liners out of 4. He told me we were going to run Talledegas on the right side Martinsville on the left. Boy did it work shame they put a tire rule in 2 weeks lster
Few years ago a guy running big side board or as we always called it shower door lol and dirt tires on pavement late model at that Kalamazoo Michigan he was running low 9s screaming around that track
7:13 I highly approve of this tomfoolery. Actually, given pavement sprints are also a thing, has anyone contemplated the idea of a mixed-surface calendar yet?
It would be interesting to me to dig into what kind of deal all these longhorn guys have. I would be interested to see how much they have spent to recruit all these top teams or if they have at all. It seems to me like they might be using the old strategy of eliminating their competition by recruiting all the top teams like Hendrick used in nascar and if so that isn’t good for any of us.
Ace Speedway in Altamahaw, NC, which was dirt in the early 80’s, paved later, used to run several dirt LM shows on pavement each season. RR tires didn’t last long as I recall, and the lap times compared to the LMSC’s that run there were wildly faster! The twist? Several of the dirt drivers wound up selling their dirt cars and going asphalt racing!
It was over a second faster than the late models that have raced on this same track. The sprint cars ran there years ago and were in the 13 second lap times but slowed down to low 14 second laps
There is a local dirt late model series a couple of years ago floated throdea of bringing their dirt late models to some local asphalt tracks and was talking about pYing some pretty decent money.... But it never really went anywhere
We tried to run on pavement at huntsvile . Heres a tip a dirt guy wont know: when the suns out it makes the track greasy and will help it turning in the corner. When the sun goes down it will PUSH till you roast the rear brakes off it trying to make it turn. Trust me
Back in the 80s we ran a deal called mspa Michigan Speedway promoters Association what we did we raced every Wednesday night on pavement and dirt with a dirt car here's a good story back in 80s we were going to run the pavement with a dirt car which would be the first time instead of buying new tires we went to Ed h o w e he had a stack of used pavement tires so we packed out the best we could find went home put them on went to the pavement race and ended up beating Ed Howell with a dirt car on used slick tires actually won quite a lot of races with payment and dirt won the championship quite a few times I was hoping one day they would do it again I guess it would have been back in the 80s 89 I believe Louisville Kentucky add a dirt car race on pavement reset last time Rayburn set second time we thought we had a good chance to win that one then I got rained out and they never rescheduled it
M a r k m a l c u t you mean Captain sizzle I don't remember him running any of them went to place like Auto City Owosso Dixie Owendale Whitmore Spartan Springport Kalamazoo and Berlin
Yet Rocket won the Lucas Oil championship last year with the ok nly Rocket in the top 10 in points.Love it Mark Richard's is not done no matter anybody thinks he is too smart. Bloomquist once told Mark that he was not smart enough to figure out what he was doing. But you see you is racing and who isn't.
Faster times then the latemodels and yea The last time i seen them.do that was in the Late 90s earlly 2000s HE said exactly the same thing i was talking about in my other comment they did that at carway speedway 20+years ago
The nascar races at Bristol were kind of a joke and the trucks at Eldora produced more interesting results but they had more dirt racers and time to develop the product. I would watch it but then I travel to see modified lawn tractor races. Dirt guys are smarter and more adaptive than any racers and you can't beat a great dirt track .
It's all fun and games on pavement til that dirt late model hits something hard, like another car or the wall. There's a reason why dirt latemodels and pavement superlates are different. The dirt car would look like a crushed beercan.
If 80% of the chassis are Horns who do you think will win? Its all a matter of numbers. Seen this happen for 50 years...Longhorn is simply the flavor of the day.
IMCA Deery Brothers series used to run at Hawkeye Downs every year. The dirt cars werent much more fun to watch than the pavement cars. Almost always one groove on the bottom.
358 Dirt Mods run the Grand Prix de Trois Rivieres every year, yes, a street circuit, in dirt modfiieds. Dirt Lates on Pavement ain't even that weird in comparison.
springfield is a great track but i wish the owner would put a spot to get water there is no way to cool ur car if it over heats unless u bring ur own water i live 20 mins from the track
