you can also stop the machine in the middle of a program move your axis and go back where it was in Heidenhain ... so nothing new to me, but ay glad this is not a "exlusive" feature and more controls have it
right. I know this feature is nothing new, even for Siemens. But so many people that have only ever seen a Fanuc control has no idea you can do things like this with other controls. And like you said, these controls have been able to do this for years. That's why I wanted to put it in the video. Something so simple, yet is so cool to be able to do with a control like this.
My Fanuc can also do it... I mean, my Doosan-Fanuc does, while in manual guide mode. You can even ask to resume the program from the current position or from the last saved position, depending on your preferences. And Mazatrol has been doing it for decades too
@@owievisieat any moment during machining you can press the MPG button (handwheel mode). You don't need to push feedhold before. Then you do whatever you want. When you want to resume the program, one way is to go back to memory mode and press cycle start. Depending on your settings, it will either resume the current G move from where the tool currently is, or go to the last position then resume. In case you changed some modal codes such as spindle stop or changed the speed or feed variables, the program will keep them. But if you don't want to keep them and instead want to come back to the program exactly as it was, then you either put the codes in manually or you push the program restart button which will read the earlier codes in the program and use those to continue machining. There will be a blinking indicator saying you are restarting the program. You can even remove a broken tap this way, moving the Z axis while the spindle orients itself to stay in the thread. Now all those I do on the Doosan Fanuc, and I'm not sure it works on regular Fanuc with other machine brands. We have several Fanuc machines that are not doosan, and they handle it in a different way, not as efficiently, but similar.
I’d just like to point out Jesse, hurco came up with this interupt control first I believe, hit interupt in the middle of a program, it stops the spindle, safely moves up in Z, and then you can jog around anywhere, then hit cycle start and it will move back to where it was cutting and start cutting again, glad to see more machines having this feature.
Hurco's is the best I've seen so far, Mazak has had one for at least 25 years as well all the way back to at least the M plus control in '97. Not sure if they had it earlier, that's just the oldest I've personally seen.
@5:10 "This is what separates Siemens from everyone else." I guess, if you mean that other controls have better interrupt options for being able to move your tool without interrupting your program. Hurco has a decent interrupt button that allows you to continue on where you left off in your program. Mazak does as well except you can store up to 4 points to clear obstructions, so you don't have to make a single move back in all 3 directions if it will cause an issue. They've had these features for decades.
these are options on other controls and siemens has had this for years. However you do not have to hit overstore to move the machine. all you have to do is hit cycle stop move away and cycle start. it will move right where it left off with modal commands. This is a standard on the control
As for 3:06 I used to work on an XYZ machine which had somewhat Prototrak Control which allowed to follow the toolpath with your handwheel forward and reverse. This was excellent when machining castings, and complex parts regeneration when you were not sure if the stock had been modeled properly or there was tight space to clamps.
Jessie, very nicely done leaving us hanging for the rest of it 😝. I am actually looking forward to seeing the next op and the cutting that will be getting done. If I lived close and was actually in the machining/CNC jobs, I would so sign up for the BOOMbastic open house. Hopefully we can get video of that event, I think it would be soooo cool to showcase that on the channel.
Right, and so has Siemens. That's why I wanted to mention it. Even though this has been an option for years with other controls, people with only Fanuc controls may have never seen something like this. It is a simple feature and nothing ground breaking but still very cool to me.
@@Jessie_Smith you can reference program after some MDI input in Fanuc, same in HAAS(wich is Fanuc basicly) but it's not exactly the same as in the video :D it's a defacto restart of the program from a certain line, when MOCON reads all the previous data and is able to continue at that point
The repositioning feature also works with Jog mode. You can hit cyle stop, go to jog, move around like you want and then go back to Auto mode and then the machine is also gonna do its reositioning thing. Its an awome feature i use all the time
I have been following your channel and it is amazing watch all those machines and how you guys are really good at performing and programming machinery. A hug from Cuba.
Hurco has a similar feature. You just hit the interrupt button and manually move the machine and when you want to continue machining, just press cycle start. The machine moves back to the interrupted position and continues. You can also start machining on any line even if it's not a safety line as long as the move from the current position can safely move to the ending position the machine would have been at had you run the code that is prior to the code you want to run. A very handy feature to have. Can the Siemens control also support starting any where in the code?
3:10 the hurco controll has an interrupt button. very cool moves up Z stops spindle so you can check on things even mid cut. and the machine resumes with a litle but of distance at the point it left
I know having the latest and greatest stuff is nice. I would have elevated the alu. Plate with 2x4x6 blocks and bolted from the bottom side . It would have been supported 100% . But killer option with moving in and out of program .
Haas Cnc machines do something close to the Simens controls with the moving while in program, in the haas controller you can feed hold and hand jog it away from the material and it will remember where you were in program and return in reverse from the way you went away from the material much safer than straight line return. Also does not reset program 👍🏻
I like the fact that in the USA you almost only know Fanuc controls or controls similar to Fanuc (Haas, Brother, etc...). If you come to Switzerland, you'll find fewer and fewer Fanuc controls in mechanical workshops, more and more Heidenhain or Siemens are taking over, the only place Fanuc is still present is in watchmaking because of Robodrill, Willemin Macodel and Bumotec, even then some manufacturers are switching to other controls, either Siemens or Beckoff.
How did u come to that conclusion based on a joke? Lol i've been machining in the US for 15 years, multiple shops. Never even seen a Fanuc machine. Every shop i've been in runs Mazak or Heller.
All the high end shops in the US use Heidenhain or Siemens controls. You find more Siemens controls in the aerospace industry and more Heidenhain controls in the mold industry, but everyone knows that Fanuc is less capable. You do see a lot of Fanuc/fanuc knock offs in smaller shops though
I’m guessing they got this from heidenhain or from the edm world. I know Mitsubishi wires and makino sinkers do this same thing except makino will move in manual manipulation as well and it will also go back in the same exact way you moved it out! Don’t get me wrong sometimes this feature is annoying but when doing some seriously technical burn where you have to move in around obstacles it is a god send!
That's a cool feature. Can it handle a tool change, eg. Feed hold, M6 change to a probe/haimer, do a measurement, then hit cycle start and it figures out it needs to tool change back to the endmill? Even if it could just handle a manual M6 Tprobe, manual measure cycle, M6 Tendmill, cycle start then it's super useful.
It can. Most machines have this feature honestly. It's only older machines or Fanuc and a few less common controls that don't. Even with Fanuc some manufacturers add custom routines to handle mid-file starts like this
I've asked on another platform a while ago, but do you guys keep a standard set of tools in the machine or do you put them in/build them for every job and then take them out/tear them apart afterwards? And do yo guys CAM everything or do you write simple programs on pc/in the machine?
SORRY to iterfere the fab. option to move macchine out of program to maybe clean workpiece or check it was already avalable on an old control system SELCA probably 30 years ago. Then has been bought out by Hidenhid... Keep the good work going...
I know it’s not a focus of this channel, but I’d be interested to know about the specs on the computers you used to run programs like solidworks and master cam
i used a much simpler version 1999 sinumerik 840 , just press cycle stop , jog -》 jog away . then press auto to resume . But this did not work on all sinumerik machines (maybe it's machine builder integrated ) . The other way is something to do with the REPOS button . However i did not know how to use the Overstore
4:55 in mazak we call this TPS: Toll point save. For us tho it will go backwards. If i go X and then Z, when i press cycle start again it will go first Z and then X.
Hi I want to know the inspection for the particular process In a sheet metal part we are adding the M6 Nut through spot welding process the nut is square shape in outer side suggested the best inspection methods for this process if needed 3D model please confirm I can share it to you
Hey guys! I'd love to make it to your event, but I'm currently at Sheppard AFB (Wichita falls) for training, and won't be able to make it there unless its the weekend. Is there a chance to come tour your shop on Saturday or Sunday?
And to elaborate on this, The Air Force machining program is located here, so I'm certain we have some airman that would love an opportunity to stop by.
Just to be clear. Mine 32 years old cnc machine know this repos. “feature” with dialog system. Nothing new. And with heidenhain you can set angle nullpoint and no need to use indicator.
Can you guys get Heidenhain iTNC and make the same?? I bet it does the same… Siemens is good on Turning- love it!!! Learning my Job at Schunk GER. If it comes up to program with parameters on a 5x… Siemens is getting bust…
Would appreaciate if someone could clarify this for me? why not a six jaw chuck to hold this part? you can hold the ID to machine the OD and then hold the OD to machine the ID. was the size the restriction here?
Size, but mainly what he also mentioned: too thin walled to keep it i to place. Plus this setup allows for heavy cuts which is what titan likes to show off.
How many tens of thousands of dollars worth of schunk workholding are you using here? I'm thinking about spending $900 on a vise if I can justify it....
This is cool and shows the upper echelon of tech and work holding however this makes this job totally unviable there are multiple thousands of dollars in work holding alone, pull studs, bases, jaws & baseplate. Could this not have been done entirely on the SMX in pretty much one setup. I appreciate you are showing different products and technology. I would suggest it would be better to show people how to make things complete in one setup and reduce expense and setups that would take this job from economically unviable apart for a demo to potentially reasonably price. I believe it would be far more valuable information and knowledge in my opinion. Would be curious to hear others opinions.
I mean it makes sense for this part to have a setup like this. You'll need the clearance from the table when getting those undercut areas. But for a ship without the expensive fixtures, it isn't hard to make a fixture to hold this out of some raw stock. The base plate doesn't need to be expensive and you can make those pillars or something good enough. It won't be as durable or long lasting or as repeatable as the purchased ones, but it'll get the job done. There are a lot of other cheapy ways to give the part clearance, they all just take more time than if you had the fixturing purchased.
I understand that this setup is required to mill on a 5 axis however I think it would have been more beneficial to show off what machines like an SMX are built for reducing required setups and making complex parts. I think since it was already in an SMX at one point it would be much simpler to show making it complete in once machine. Only one setup, reduced risk of crashes or mistakes no risk of mismatch, no additional work holding etc. I do also agree they could have followed a similar process to what they have done on a smaller budget. I just think if they were really having to RFQ this work they would be miles out a lot of the time and they are trying to help people compete in industry. I think the value is in the low investment high return areas such as the recent removable probe base etc.@@Marlfox570
Heidenhen have option like manual position, when you press nc stop you have that option, and when you are finished you have option called restore position and you have every axis separeted, soo you can first move z, y or x , it doens need to go like 1 2 3, it can go 3 1 2, soo I dont know do you guys know about this, i see that titans in this video explain how it works on siemens but it is much easyer and better on haidenhein
It's probably because everything I machine is multi ton but seeing a job getting lifted using g-clamps was sketchy looking to me...I'd have my ass handed to me if I did that 😂
Could have been picked because of cost or it was just stock laying around already. Lead times on cast aluminum plates like that in my area are long at the moment.
@@bubbasplants189 Thank you! I am excited for these Siemens controls. There is a lot of stuff I would like to share that may be overlooked or unheard of with these controls.
