a part of me want the gnome workflow and the other wants the KDE apps and features. I really feel like KDE is wasting its potential especially on the workflow part.
@@NovaMuntu This. I used to hate Gnome until I was forced to use it. I learned about extensions and tweaks for it. Made it like I wanted and found it had the fastest workflow in all I've tried so far XD But Kde let's me customize more stuff.
@@lucass8119 bro not even Plasma fans would agree with something so idiotic. Are you legitimately shilling for something so inconsequential for monetary reasons or are you just a really annoying troll?
Personally, whenever I switch away from KDE, it always annoys me the amount of stuff that I have to find to get it to my preferred user experience. Not having KWin scripts and rules alone is too much, especially with how otherwise complicated managing window rules on Wayland can be.
Me too-- and I'm finding the krohnkite STILL works for auto- tiling even in wayland now... no issues-- it didn't at first- but after several updates it finally does.
@Michael Horn GREAT video!! Love your vids. Keep up the great work! Love both KDE and GNOME but use GNOME as it's workflow is just too perfect for me. Video like this helps me to see soon I could easily try switching and still keep the basic workflow that I LOVE soooo much.
I would add customizable touchscreen gestures as well, for tablets and 2-in1's. Also, they need to fix the bugs (and enhance) the maliit virtual keyboard. A reliable configurable (like resizeable and moveable, with custom key layouts) virtual keyboard is essential for tablets. How could you login to sddm without it?
I had done this myself for the last couple of month... But I reverted most of it (especially the Super Key Overview) as some Full Screen or Remote Applications had a lot of issues with it... I also could not get a "Double Supper Key" to work to decide if I want to Show the "Overview or the App Grid" And the new "Built in" Plasma Dock lacks of a propper Gnome like "Auto Hide" option. So I have to say I realy love the Gnome Workflow... But also like the Plasma customisation. So yesterday I switched back to Gnome again... But would love to come back to Plasma again if I can replicate the Gnome workflow in a more stable way
For better dock and auto-hide, there is latte. It's way more customizable, but also... complicated. Plasma's panel is just incredibly primitive compared to what latte can do. However, latte is no longer developed, so it can be buggy and may not work with Plasma 6... Also, for most feature full version, you need to install git version (and compile it yourself) and download some latte add-ons if needed (buttons, title, menu, systray - for MacOS type of style but superior to it). Anyway, recently I went back to more traditional setup with default Plasma panel, just to be ready for incoming Plasma 6 without latte, but... I will miss latte very much. I even risk saying, that latte provides superior Plasma experience and without it, it's like 80% desktop features are gone :(.
It's always impressive, how customizable KDE is. But after the process, there are still the (for me) badly designed KDE apps like discover, dolphin or kate and the fuss in the preferences of KDE and every menu. It's just an overload of possibilities, presented in a bad way which prevents you (at least me!) from getting work done. Overwhelming functionality is not everything. But I see, how someone will like this environment. :)
Funny thing is, I made my gnome laptop work like my KDE plasma set up with extensions. Gnome DE has the potential to be just as fleshed out and actually functional beyond their basic idea of a work flow while still sticking more or less to their design philosophy.
Mr. Horn you've done it again! 😻 Even if my intention is not to replicate Gnome, you've shown solutions to issues that I've seen crop up while I've been on KDE, Thank you SO much! You rock!✨ I do have a question: Speaking of gaming, I have issues where KDE's inbuilt shortcuts will interfere with my game [too many matching keybindsto my games] Is there a way to tell KDE to have a Virtual Desktop or Workspace where you can turn off most of the KDE Keybinds? It would be a bummer to have to disable and re-enable the 10 or so keybinds on KDE every time I launch a game on specified workspace, unless there's a script for that? Thanks again for all that you do!
This really is great, I would miss the Trackpad Gestures though. Three Finger swipe up for overview with the Dock and three Finger swipe up again for the Menu. I can't work without it anymore! I tried replicating it as well on KDE but failed.
@@Nanomaroni I never liked how the gestures felt on Windows 11 so I never used them much but on Gnome it feels so good that I can't use anything else than Gnome anymore on my laptop cause it just feels clunky without those great gestures xD
I prefer to use Dolphin, KDE Connect, Konsole, Kate/Kwrite, Merkuro, and Ark. IMO, they are way more useful and offer way more features than their GTK counterparts (if one exists). The only GNOME application I like is GNOME Weather. The rest are just too lacking in features to be useful. They are pretty, though.
@@k4everut most gnome apps feels like something lacking in it... TBH, there are industry stranded apps like Gimp, Inkscape, Lutris, terminator.... Inkscape is one of the apps that shows what a good software should look like.... highly stable feature rich app with sensible default that are easy to pickup and start using....
You can. Whenever you login (either with Gnome or KDE's loging manager), after you select your username, you can swap to whatever desktop environment or session (e.g. x11, wayland) you have installed
Bravo! Der Überblick über alle Arbeitsflächen durch Betätigen der Super-Taste ist für mich der Hauptgrund, den Gnome-Desktop zu verwenden. Es ist echt toll, dass du es geschafft hast, das in KDE zu implementieren.
STuPID QUESTION-- why the hell would you WANT to? That's like building a donkey cart inside a rolls royce.... WASTE of effort. We already have to much gnome garbage-- don't need any more and the developers Fu...ed up the new kde with gnome garbage...
A. When I install Linux for family and friends. I install both The GNOME Desktop Environment and The KDE / Plasma Desktop Environment. IB. I've found that some KDE / Plasma applications don't work well under The GNOME Desktop Environment. C. For maximum software compatibility I install both Desktop Environments. D. Does anyone else install both The GNOME Desktop Environment and The KDE / Plasma Desktop Environment on the same Linux installation? If YES. Please leave a reply to this list of comments explaining why you install both Desktop Environments on the same Linux installation.
😮 You've gotta be kidding me. Tell me you added it later on. Anyways. Is there a version of this command that sets krunner with the meta key? I just loved the gnome activities thingy and don't like anything in kde. The krunner is good though.
Hot take: It's easier for me to make a competent "windows style" taskbar and application menu in Gnome than on kde. On KDE it's unreasonably difficult to just change the color of your task bar whereas using something like Dash to Panel let's you literally just pick any color you want, among other things. Yeah, you have to install an extension, but in KDE you'd have to install a theme anyway.
KDE plasma is very Premium looking,elegant and excellent desktop environment then GNOME,also because KDE plasma has lots and lots of features, and I really love, not just like the KDE...And devs really gave their love and hardworking to design every details finely.,Other Os is nothing in front of KDE♥♥♥,BUT still they need to implement currency conversion features in calculator app along with typing type in the calculator
@@MichaelNROH Exactly, neither you can properly paste the digits😅from somewhere, also there is no feature of fiat currency conversion, gnome calculator have this feature,Shame for KDE :\
Disabling the compositor is an x11 - relict and isn't possible in Wayland anymore, however that's not the point. Plasma has much more advanced Wayland support and embraces the idea that a user should be able to deactivate unnecessary things like VSYNC, if they want to.
Good video! I did cringe a little and wondered why you didn't just adapt to KDE Plasma's "workflow," which is what new users to GNOME are told (and are guilted) to do by the GNOME community. However, I quickly remembered that KDE Plasma is made to adapt to your workflow and not the other way around. I also wanted to nitpick a little about your "niche" gaming comment. It seems that every category of desktop user that doesn't fit into something that GNOME does well or likes GNOME's workflow is niche. Former Windows and MacOS users who are used to desktop icons, widgets, and systray icon menus are "niche." Users who like working fractional scaling are "niche." Users who like to run Android applications on their desktop that work more than 10% of the time are "niche." Users that want all of their applications, GTK (all versions, not just GTK4) and QT, to have a consistent look and feel are "niche." I don't mean to start a Plasma vs GNOME debate. I honestly don't care what DE/WM a person uses. I just want to point out that a lot of us like to use our desktops for more than just coding or monitoring the status of a server. IMO, any Linux DE/WM that restricts what a user wants to do is doing it wrong and shouldn't be the Linux default.
I learned stuff from using Gnome and looking at the work flow of others, so I'm not down with the mindset of wanting the DE to adapt to us. Gnome provides a more consistent GUI environment (the reason Windows has GUI solutions to problems rather than CLI). Gnome isn't as buggy. KDE is more about innovations and options and is pretty open about this, with common update notes like 'a bazillion bug fixes'. -Don't mistake me for a Gnome fan, though. -Just stating observations: (I moved on to DWM -early because of some feminist garbage I saw from a KDE dev that implied all of KDE was behind that crypto-anti male movement fueled by misinformation and propaganda). The reason I switched to Linux no longer exists (forced updates when I'm trying to shut down for work). -I understand why Windows temporarily did this. Plasma / Gnome might be a gateway to Linux, but they're not what keeps me using Linux. One of the few real benefits of using Linux over Windows is dynamic tiling.
@madthumbs1564 I like dynamic tiling when I'm doing actual work on my laptops/desktops. I don't like it so much when I'm gaming or watching a video with another window opened. I don't normally dive too much into the politics of each desktop project unless the project puts its politics front and center, so you can't ignore them. From what I've seen, I don't think the KDE project overall would tolerate individuals who are less tolerable to others. Finally, you can learn things from just about every DE/WM or OS. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. However, I don't agree with "forcing" or "coercing" a user into learning something that doesn't really provide a benefit to everyone, with the exception of a (real) niche group (people who actually like GNOME's workflow).
Honestly i would feel at home with something simple like openbox but making it work properly sucks and is too much work, let alone with wayland which is just smoother experience for me
Please show how to get the dock/dash to show up in the overview only, just like how it works in Gnome. I want the dash/dock to be hidden until I launch the overview.
In the Netherlands we have a saying: Although you can give a monkey a golden ring, It's still, and will always be, an ugly thing. If you want a beautiful desktop environment out of the box , that doesn't come between you and your workflow, is highly keyboard driven, so you don't have to reach for your mouse everytime: Gnome is the only thing you need. If you are a power user, know exactly where every option is, want to put up with interruptions, inconsistencies and frequent changes in your workflow, go for Plasma.
Gnome and Gnome extensions - Dash to Panel, Blurry Shell and Wobbly windows. Fantastic and if you switch between Windows and Ubuntu. Job done! Oh and did I say supper stable and a joy to use. Give it try and let me know what you think? 😃
Why not? My setup is similar, though much more based on Unity and macOS than Gnome. It works, it's fine, and I still have all of KDE's improvements without having to settle for less. Kwin rules on Wayland alone is a strong reason for why I love KDE
@@corvoattano8531 I get why you think that, but my perspective as a long time KDE user now is that the point is that KDE welcome its users to modify their desktop. This can mean making it look like Windows, or macOS, or GNOME, or any weird combination thereof. In KDE land it isn't a niche usecase because a lot of users have their own niche usecase and these people would just be a normal KDE users because they use the tools they are given to them just like everyone using the same tools for different end goals. In this case- if for example, you value KDE for KWin's power (rules, custom scripts, tiling) but would rather it behave closer to GNOME, you can. If maybe you don't like some aspect of GNOME but otherwise appreciate its layout? You can recreate that. None of these are wrong to do, because it's just part of KDE's "powerful when needed," motto. And honestly if the amount of Garuda Linux and WhiteSur users is any indication, at least a huge part of the tweaks in here ARE used by a non-neglible amount of the KDE users. This video just take it further than those users do.
@@FengLengshun Agreed. But it is a niche endeavor by definition. We Linux users are perhaps 3% of desktop users. Of that, only a percentage use KDE. Of the KDE users only a certain percentage will radically modify the DE to look something very different.
@@corvoattano8531 I think that as far as Linux distro goes, Garuda is actually pretty popular. It's no Manjaro, but they are pretty important. And KDE goes beyond Linux desktop. There are Plasma for TV, phone, tablet, and other form factors, and it can be used on BSD as well. Keeping it so flexible that it can be used to create GNOME is beneficial to a whole. So it's not "why anyone would do that," but more of "yeah, it's not a surprise someone would do that." Kinda reminds me of all the weird Steam Deck modifications. And I think it's also why there aren't as many Plasma forks and even those don't throw out as much of KDE's component as Gnome forks throw out the Gnome-isms.
I like how this has been done, but can't you also install Gnome along side KDE on the same install, and make it possible to use a hot key to change between desktops?
