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@@yao.aboagye I mean Embiid caught heat for something the team did, you can't take a guy out of the lineup 15 minutes before the game starts. And the 76ers rightfully got fined for it. If they knew he was legit hurt why go through all that and then have him play the Warriors? It's not the fans pushing him to play if the fans are out of the loop.
@@yao.aboagye that’s just not true. Embiid got injured because Kuminga feel on his knee. That would’ve happened with or without the game requirement. It would be different if it was like a no contact injury
@@yao.aboagye Nobody is being pushed to injury the history clearly shows back in the day players weren't resting much if at all and didn't have anywhere near the amount of injuries we have in this era. POP rested the spurs because they were OLD, Humans used to conquest and shit I highly doubt basketball is killing their bodies
Embid is not having a deserving MVP season. His style of play is down right CHEATING. He acts like he gets fouled when he doesn't actually get fouled. THAT IS CHEATING. Baiting is one thing (pump faking or using other movement to get a defender to make a mistake and legitimately foul you), faking contact, that is cheating. He's a puss
If you shit on everyone else for the other 75% of the month, 1 week really isn’t going to make a difference. Especially if you missed that week trying to get employee of the month and being injured in the job.
@@SmittyWerbenJagermannJensenThat logic would literally only apply in sales jobs, every other job when you miss time someone has to pick up your slack so it absolutely does matter.
regarding Joel, he was picking easiest assignments and got "hurt" when harder parts of job needed to get done. And then he really got hurt, so... he will get his chance IN PLAYOFFS
Jokić 9th season 643 regular games 68 PO games, Embiid 8th season 428 regular games, 53 PO games. 1 season more - 215 games (2.6 seasons) more (15 PO games more)
And it showed. Those players were not putting their bodies on the line as the modern game demands. The injuries alone indicate that the pacing and quicker changes of direction are shredding the joints and muscles of these modern players at a higher rate.
And way more contact. Dudes were getting elbowed and beaten in the paint, yet they barely missed games. Now you got guys missing weeks for a bruised toe.
Just for a little context on this 65 game rule. 65 games is 79% of the regular season games. So people being pissed off with having to play the 65 games is like a guy being told he has to come into the work at least 4 out of 5 working days in the week and being pissed off he cant take more time off without losing bonuses and employee of the month.
The problem is so many great would have lost mvp by that logic, many great won mvp with less than 60 games. Missing games shouldn't count against you if it's a real injury.
@thialhoinj1971 you're lying only 5 mvps have played less then 65 games... 3 of those 5 were shortened seasons. Bill Walton was the only player to win mvp with less then 60 games without a shortened season with 58 games.
@@thialhoinj1971Giannis and Malone both won mvp in shortened seasons. Clearly the rule wouldn't apply in a shortened season cmon bro. Just admit you were wrong and move on.
@@thialhoinj1971if you really wanna know Bill Walton 1978 and Bob Cousy 1957 were the only two to win mvp with less then 65 games in a regular length season. That's over 40 years ago.
From what I remember seeing at the time way before this whole 65 game controversy is that this was agreed upon between the NBA and the player union and nobody said shit, at least to this level, about it then. Now we're over halfway through the season, people are hurt, they're realizing money and awards are truly on the line and now it's "stupid" and "bullshit".
@@andrayday8064No I doesn’t. They have better training staffs, more advancements in sports medicine have been made, and they get paid 10 times more so they’re able to afford they own personal recovery treatments also.
Availability is the best abillity. The most games an MVP has missed since 1979 is Embiid last season with 16 missed games. So asking the players not to miss 17 games is more than fair and should have no actual impact in theory. The players contesting it are actual crybabies. The All NBA and defensive teams is still debatable though.
Then if they’re injured, they don’t qualify. The 65 game thing is a good thing, and if you’re not healthy enough to compete, you shouldn’t qualify. Availability is an important ability.
So if I play 60 games, and in the 22 games I missed, my team gets much worse regardless of lineups and schemes, wouldn’t that just prove my value to the team, which is the biggest factor in who wins the MVP award? Also, if you’re blaming players for certain injuries like someone else landing on them, that makes no sense as that’s essentially out of their control.
counter argument, out of those 22 games, how many games were against teams that have an over 0.500 record? You not playing against an over 0.500 team and only being available against teams with a losing records will definitely artificially increases your "value". @@legendarywiimaster
how many wins did you add that were against teams with winning records? Does losing to a team with losing records lowers your value as an MVP? So many variables @@legendarywiimaster
@@thebighoney9034 You bring up a great point. But there’s still a way to win MVP. If I’m easily the best offensive player on my team while also being the best defender or at least one of the best defenders on my team. If I play 60 games, and 25 of those games, we’re playing against a top 3 seed in either conference, and of the 22 games I’m out, my team goes against 8 top 3 teams in either conference. If when I’m playing we go 18-7, against these teams while I’m having the best basic and advanced stats while also being clutch in close games on both ends of the floor in 90% of those games, then that should prove my value. Now let’s say that when team my goes up against a top 3 seed in either conference while I’m out, they go 0-8, while going 1-6 against against 5-8 seeds in either conference, and going 2-3 against losing teams, and they get much worse on offense and worse on defense, then that clearly proves that I’m an MVP caliber player. Now obviously these are a lot of hypotheticals, but my point is if my value is sky high regardless of whoever we go against, I should be 100% be in the MVP conversation, especially if those 22 games I missed were not due to load management, but due to an injury.
Handling your body and style of play over 82 games is part of a basketball player's skill as well. A skill that Embiid doesn't have cause he's constantly overplaying his body.
You can't average 40, if you miss over 19 games and you are averaging using all 82 games and not just games played. You ever try to average in a zero? Kills.
Players in the 80s and 90s played 82 games getting payed 1/10th of what players today make and didnt complain about it. Today, if a player jams a finger they will sit out 2/3 weeks. I get injuries could happen and that they aren’t the players fault, but when you have Draymond talking about Embiid being forced to play despite it being his job to play basketball in the first place, it tends to sound a bit ridiculous.
Love from Serbia my BROTHER. I'm sick of listening to TV "specialists and hosts" like SAS&Co. This is ladies and gents how a real professional does his job. No lobby, no drama, no racist card, no false allegations, no nothing. He is watching games, he forms an opinion combined with statistics, and thats it. Nice theme for discuss, I would raise the bar for MVP title to 70 games... They need to play if they wanna be called the best, very simple.
@8:14 Hard disagree. Bronstans like to underrate Big Z, but he was an all star caliber player in his prime. Imo he is one of the greatest screeners of all time.
In the 90s and 2000s star players use to play 80 plus games almost every year, but now 65 is too much? An they wonder why this generation is called soft 😂
Well they are jumping higher, the game is faster, they run faster, they do more overall. A scorer can't just score. So yeah, human body can't handle that much.
@@DmadPsIf all the players of today are jumping higher than ever why are Jason Richardson Shannon Brown Mugsy Boges Spud Webb etc all players from previous era's still top 10 all time in nba verticals? Michael Jordan still has the highest vertical all time, but somehow all the players of today jump higher than every previous generation? Yall just be making stuff up 😂
@@DmadPsthe best two players in the league are fat whiteboys from eastern europe. stop this bullshit lie. two "plumbers" are schooling your superathletes. I watched the 80s and 90s and 00s live. NBA players have always been incredible athletes. asking people to run a court for 48 minutes at top speed requires some incredible athleticism. the technology and steroids might be better, but the only thing that allows is for these guys to recover faster from injury or put in less time in the weight room.
Just for some context...Jordan played all 82 games at 37 mins per game at age 39/40. Stockton missed 22 games in 19 seasons and played all 82 games at 40/41 and 28 mins per game.
I think this is an amazing rule. If you ain’t durable how is that anyone’s fault?? You shouldn’t be MVP if you out here missing 20-30 games a year that shit is ridiculous to me The consistent work is apart of being an MVP
You forgot that players coming off from an injury or older players being rested in back to back games..but that 65 game rule is exactly what the league needs inorder to address this problem of resting players due to this load management started by popovich..
Honestly, the requirement will help a lot of guys win unknowingly. Missing out on that super max sucks, but it gives your team a whole lot of extra money to get you good teammates and your still going to make well over 100 million dollars over the course of a career so it’s not like it’s actually hurting them in any meaningful way. Think of Curry on that team friendly deal when the team first started to pop off.
Easy to put up dominant numbers in less games against weak teams and at home. How about you just take off 25 or 30 percent off someone’s overall stats depending on how many games missed?
Out injured. First game back "scheduled" against Charlotte?? Almost every time!! They hunt out weak teams like they're looking for weakest player on the court to switch WASTING ENERGY putting up 70 vs Spurs!!
Your point was refuted in this exact same video. Did you even watch? He didn't duck anyone. He was injured and came back against the warriors and worsened his injruy because of people like you@@zelohendricks51
Agreed. It should be minimum 10 missed games. I feel like that's too much to ask of these divas. If you can't last a whole season then you probably don't deserve it. A special case should be made if you miss 15 games. But the way things are going, if you miss half of the season you still deserve the pay and accolades 😂.
Meh, they cried Kawhi was "load managing" but are saying Joel is hurt "this is not fair". Stephen Smith said Kawhi should retire, the flip flopping is insane
How about this, if we pay to watch a players and he decides hes not going to play, the NBA refunds us our money in full. I think that will solve the issue, I'm pretty sure the NBA will cut salaries if they went with this plan and the millionaires will complain about why they didn't get pay alot for sitting out games.
So sad that these basketball players over the pass 20 years are so damn soft compared to the guys from the 80's & 90's. These guys don't even try to play the full season and are always injured. MJ in his last year on the Wizards played all 82 games and was 40.
@@Intr0vertical that doesn't have anything to do with it. If anything it's the mileage guys have by the time they even come into the league, playing summer and AAU ball for 5+ years, playing 4 games in a day and so on and so forth.
@dipe6376 They move more off ball, have more complex schemes, defense is still played, offense is just much, MUCH better. They do need to allow the defense to do more however.
Naw y’all people who were demonizing Embiid were screaming play on a torn meniscus and treated it as bare minimum during that warriors game. When Embiid retires I don’t want to see y’all switch up either
@@sinsoreshippromotesconform8218 trust me i won't switch, i can't speak for everyone else but i already came to terms with the inevitable end of embiid's career
What about the fans who pay their hard earn money to go see the Lakers play the Clippers just to find out that Kawhi, PG, Lebron and AD are all sitting out for rest! It’s ridiculous the players made their bed abusing this load management bullshit and now they have to play 65 games or no consideration for any awards! They do d this to themselves
Than you don’t like basketball bro. Stop the crying. If you’re buying tickets to see only stars play guess what nba not for you my guy. I swear only nba fans never buy tickets to go watch the two teams on the ticket. Y’all as fans don’t deserve 82 games needs to be 70-72 games total and on set days.
@@leroyflex1258 I don’t give a fuck what you think Bro! You don’t decide who does and doesn’t like basketball! Ppl go to games and wanna see players compete at the highest level and players sit out for rest and all this other bullshit! There are plenty of players who are actually injured and need to sit out but so many players abuse the load management that it’s gotten to the point the league had to step in and make a rule against it! The players agreed to this in the CBA and now they’re whining about it! How come so many star players were able to play all 82 games or close to it in earlier eras?
@@DMitch-ny3jb players had no choice but to accept it. Because guess what they stand their ground on the cba the owners will just wait them out. And due to their contracts they can’t go work anywhere else. You don’t have to give af because you don’t watch basketball you watch for star players. You’re the reason why nba fans are the laughing stock of any sport. Guess what happens when pat mahomes is hurt? Stadium still sells out and ppl watch the game because they like FOOTBALL. if you liked basketball then it wouldn’t matter if a star player sit because everyone on that team is a professional athlete. Btw on the tickets you buy it has the teams on there not Lebron v kawhi. And dumb ass so many players were able to play that many games because basketball wasn’t a year round thing. They played other sports and had other jobs. They developed other parts of their body and gave the muscles mostly used for basketball a break. Kids now play basketball year round starting as young as 6 years old. That’s a lot of wear and tear. Also trainers overwork players and think everyone has John Stockton level of durability. Also players stand around almost never now compared to pre 2010s. Ik you don’t watch the sport you claim you like but you and other cry baby fans are trash. NFL doesn’t miss money regardless if the stars are in or not. So does hockey,Baseball, soccer, and even golf. Imagine golf fans getting mad at tiger for playing certain tours when his back started going out.
@@leroyflex1258This mfer just alienated most of the fans who pay for these "superstars" salaries. If the fans didn't want to go to games just to see their favorite players, the Euroleague or other bball leagues would have a ton of revenue.
@@dreivsall playing for their country they do make a lot of money over there. They just make more in the nba if they can and want to play. Just like when our players over here don’t cut it they make a lot of money over there in their countries currency. Those fans do show up and support regardless if they have stars or not that’s how you build a proper team. No the tv deal pays the players. Y’all pay for the “fancy arena” the billionaire owners make you and pay in two fold. At least the millionaires are working hard for their money while y’all never mad at owners.
I agree with a lot of what Low said an I appreciate how he actually takes the full context and scope of a situation into account. I also think that injuries shouldn’t count against the players, or at least not the same as rest games. For example, Tyrese shouldn’t be treated the same as a player who is just resting games when he actually had a real injury, and the same goes for any player that is actually injured.
Agreed on everything here LOW. I'd like to add I heard Malika Andrews say the most tone deaf shit the other day regarding Tyrese Haliburton potentially missing the 65 game threshold. She said "Tyrese Haliburton may lose out on 40 million if he doesn't play 65 games, there has to be some sort of middle ground." Like that's the most tone deaf shit ever lmfao in a country where we are in a recession with massive inflation, why should the average fan care about an NBA player (who's making around 200 million might I add) potentially missing 40 million? The players have honestly gotten their way so much that the media is trying to get the fans to feel bad about a millionaire missing out on even more millions. How the hell did we get here where guys are complaining that you have to play 65 games to win awards/incentives? Like how the hell is that too much to ask for a pro athlete? But, this is where "player empowerment" has brought us. I say all this as a player first guy, but something's gotta give. I'm not feeling sorry over millionaires missing out on millions, I'm sorry.
HOW DID WE GET TO: "Embiid can only miss 5 more games"?? WHO TALKS LIKE THAT?!?!? The average person doesn't speak in "sick days left"!!!! "Boohoo, I can only miss 1 day of work this month"???
If you have played 62 games, then 20 games you were 0pts, 0reb, 0ast. Add that to the averages and see if he is the best player. She is saying if he played 63 games, but that is 2 games from the line of 65 and whole 19 games away from the whole season
The reason I don’t like the 65 game rule is simply for injury purposes. What happened with Kawhi had convinced the world that NBA players just like taking games off bc they don’t want to play. While I’m sure that’s true for some players, now we’ve created a culture for players where they might actually need 18-20 games off in a season to nurse lingering injuries and now those guys are playing hobbled and risking hurting themselves more to qualify for eligibility for awards that they deserve. That’s what I don’t want this rule to breed but it sounds like it’s already happening.
@@zelohendricks51 When the award is a difference of $40-50 million, I completely understand why dudes feel like they have to p it themselves in that position. The league should never have put them in that position for something that potentially could be out of their control when it comes to their health.
@TheProdigyB3AST Sorry but no. Stop knighting. The league isn't putting them anywhere. They are grown men and are responsible for their own actions. They're already rich. If they can't be there for their team they don't deserve the away. Life itself works this way
@@zelohendricks51 Such a BIZARRE take they have!! Michael Wilbon: "We have voters shouldn't have influence on salaries". Then your votes are meaningless!! If we IGNORE awards, why shouldn't Cade Cunningham or Jae Crowder be paid the same as Joel??
Nice try, my dude. I dont feel sorry for dudes making 40 million a yr over 5 yrs but lose out on 40 million in bonuses. Like endorsement doesn't exist. The 65-game rule is good. I think it should be like 70. Either that or if these dudes don't play, they don't get paid. If their truly injured, they only get 60pct of their check. If their body can't handle an 82 game season, find another job.
Embiid is not in a position to complain. His rookie year, he only played 31 games and still made top 3 in the ROY voting. There were other rookies who were able to play, good enough to make top 3 in voting, but people still voted for Embiid. In contrast, a lot of people want to say Zion would've gotten ROY over Ja if he was healthy. It's possible, also debatable, but it doesn't matter. He was injured, and hence, he wasn't considered...nor should he have been.
I love this rule. In fact I think it should be more to qualify for the big accolades at the end of the season. If some guys miss some bonus money for making an all NBA team then too bad. These awards are suppose to be for regular season excellence. If you don’t play the majority of the season then you shouldn’t be included.
Jokic deserves it so far, but the season isn't over, and a lot can happen in the remaining 37 games. Giannis, Shai, Luka, KD, Booker or even Domantas Sabonis might deserve it by the time the regular season ends.
ever since the 65 game rule i feel like ive seen more superstars playing and that makes me happy. i go to 20-30 home games each year and i hate when jimmy butler doesn’t want to play because his hair lady wasn’t available
I think Ernie Johnson suggested to allow players who played below that threshold should be allowed to be selected to the all nba second or third team, and I’m in favor of that
Great insights LOW! The real question is why did star players play more games 30 and 40 years ago compared to today? Teams all have chartered flights, less back to backs, longer all star break, more medical and training staff. Curious your thoughts on the reasoning?
Honestly I really appreciate this video. As an athlete who’s had career altering injuries I feel a lot of these players. With rules and regulations being set AND THEY STILL MISSING GAMES it’s not funny any more players are hurt.
I think the problem is people still just take games off and then are out in situations where they’re now on the line. You’re not convincing me Joel was injured every game he missed, that’s BS. So you take your games off here and there then you get actually injured or something’s actually wrong and you shouldn’t go out there and now you really can’t. Now those 3 games you took off in the first month of the season kinda matter. Yes there’s incentives, that’s not stopping guys from taking games off all like that. Same thing with when you have PTP at ya job. Yeah you’ll take a day here and there to give yourself a 3 day weekend of two-but then you get sick with the flu and missed all the rest of your paid days off. At the end of the day I’m still fine with the 65 game limit. I think they should do a 3 game provision where if you have one injury near the end of the season that causes you to miss 5 or more games and you go from say, 67 played pace to 62 games played they should let you slide. Unless you miss another game, then you’re out.
I love how back in the day, a player gets slammed on the floor, he still plays because he wants to win. And that was during an era where there was less focus on health and well being. Now, the science has advanced, the equipment improved and as a result improved the players, not to mention that the defensive effort has been stifled due to freedom of movement, yet they act like they were being whipped to shape. I'm 100% sure that the current NBA players wouldn't last getting bodied by Bad Boys or even Wallace lead Pistons.
Bro, I'm out here making 50k a year and if I don't show up to my job for 10% of my shifts I'm toast. NBA players are out of touch with the working fans, they have zero sympathy from us.
I love the rule. Stars ducking road matchups sucks. They might play once in your city that year. Joel Embiid plays home games and plays against weak competition. Ducks the hard games and road games. Consistently.
I think that this is the perfect Segway into a conversation about the health of NBA players and the toll the modern pacing if the sport is taking on their bodies. When the NBA has more injuries than the National CTE Association, we have a problem. I think the 65 game minimum is fine, but if these players legitimately can't stay healthy, then there's a much bigger problem at work here and it needs to be examined and discussed.
I think this discussion started when the gamblers started to get worried about their parlays and certain superstar started sitting out or missing games NBA won’t listen to the fans wanting to shorten the season, but if they losing money from another crowd then IJS
First of all, her giving him 62 games is incredibly generous. Depending on how his injury pans out, he's looking at 34 games played as a maximum. So that begs the question of, so you want jo for 34 games or the 15th best player for 70 something games? I understand that's not the point in the sense that someone could have 63 or 64 games and not be eligible, but fact remains, joel is not a good example here. Personally, I think the all NBA count should be reduced by 1 in that scenario. Why give it to someone who doesn't deserve it or who is severely under qualified? Makes the award look like a joke
Great video low. I also want to add maybe they added this rule so owners don’t pay player of potential. Like Zion is one that comes to mind. They payed him for what he can become not for what he plays rn. and that is barely available. Also how many star players played more than 65 games in a era when you can hack someone because they were cooking. 80s90s 2000s. A part of me likes this rule
The players voted for this and approved it in the CBA, they have no one to blame but themselves. Most of these so called media talking heads are friends with the players and are being used as mouth pieces.
You can be LeBum and play half a season and still get put on the NBA 1st Team. Playing needs to be part of the qualification for these things. MJ never started a season just to take half off for "load management" purposes. These fairies make me sick!
It’s crazy to me that players are complaining about having to play 65 games while making millions. What if fans only start coming to only 50-64 games out the season the rest of the games is empty seats like the bubble they would complain about that to. Just shut up and do your job or quit
The 65 game minimum applies for all in season awards. It makes sense to formally impose a minimum # of games with the large upcoming media deal to incentivize not resting stars to to improve the product, in theory.
If I hired you to work for me and you called in 3 times in 8 months without a legitimate reason. You’re ass is fired You don’t have to worried about getting to 17 times!
