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@TolarianCommunityCollege Год назад

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@wadewilson5712 Год назад

you forgot to talk about the bonus card

@hash-tag-aecg7087 Год назад

Explain why wotc can't make a werewolf commander deck again?

@fallenangel8X Год назад

I just received the academic kickstarter that I backed from last year and received the wrong deckbox. How can I go about getting this fixed?

@donnietidwell965 Год назад

🎶I had a little Fleischer inspiration, and Iwerks hard for it! Think you can Waltz right in, take part of it? Singin' marry melodies through Tartarus? You've drawn the line? I gave it life and artifice!🎶

@hash-tag-aecg7087 Год назад

@@donnietidwell965 Wth are you smoking, and more importantly, where can I get some?

@Lyr00 Год назад

The random shots fired against Jimmy’s decks xD

@seraph_six Год назад

I really like this deck! Not only did it give me a new Bolas card to collect, but it's really fun to play. I opted to swap out 15 enters-tapped lands for untapped lands so that it can keep up with my typical meta.

@Jewsphf Год назад

My deck arrived extremely fast and I quickly took it to my LGS to compete in commander games and found myself winning quite often. LARGEST RECCOMENDATION I CAN MAKE..... USE SISSAY AS YOUR COMMANDER! The deck is essentially a Legendary Creature Tirbal deck. And there's alot of cards that produce +1/+1 counters allowing you to quickly get Sissay to a point where you can tutor out Esika and bow you have the ability to get multi searches out of Sissay in a turn cycle.

@JakkHorwikk Год назад

Tried this as well and it's absolutely the play. Keeps tempo going and going.

@LightPink Год назад

Isn't winning often bad in EDH?

@a.velderrain8849 Год назад

As a Sisay player I support this change.

@tempestandacomputer6951 Год назад

@@LightPink Is this some kind of new joke in the community?

@Eric_The_Cleric Год назад

@Tempest and a Computer not one I've heard of.

@coryjones1346 Год назад

It sucks that it sold out because I don’t check secret lair drops but when prof does his video and I find one interesting I’ll always look or buy so it sucks that this specific one sold out

@Luxordus Год назад

Just because the Prof didn't mention it, the deck also came with a bonus foil alternate art Delver of Secrets, currently retailing at around $7.80. Is it a nice addition? Sure. Is that the make or break for people to buy the deck? Probably not.

@breadgehog Год назад

He didn't mention it because not every deck comes with one. Every Secret Lair purchase comes with a semi-but-mostly-random bonus card, and Delver of Secrets just happens to be one of the possibilities. Some people are going to get a Delver for $7.80, others are going to get the Meyoko art Shadowborn Apostle for $300. It's just how the product works.

@XxGrimdazexX Год назад

Having played with it several times, it's one of those decks that isn't super strong but if it's left unchecked for a few turns can be fairly strong. They should've made every double faced cards foils though.

@crokar5835 Год назад

I enjoyed playing with it. Is it good? No is it fun to play against try hard decks? Also no. But is it fun to just play with casual decks? Yes

@ITyraxI Год назад

For that price tag it's kinda disappointing that it doesn't play well... Glad I didn't buy it

@MTG69 Год назад

Is it $150.00 of fun?

@Meloku171 Год назад

Is it fun to take your expensive cards out of your sleeves each time you want to play any card from this game? No.

@ICanDriveCanYou Год назад

This is the reason why I bought it. I only have cEDH decks outside of this deck so I wanted something I could play with friends who don't play cEDH.

@stoiccrane4259 Год назад

@@nicks4802 This has been turning me off mtg in general lately. Whenever I want to experience a low scale swing and scoop type of game there's always that one combo player who turns the game into solitaire. I'm good about hiding my salt but it really annoys the hell out of me.

@f.g.5967 Год назад

I was waiting for this! Thank you! Now let’s see if it’s worth it to keep XD

@RoninRose541 Год назад

Prof did Jimmy dirty with that dig at his mana bases lol. 😂 love ya prof

@samhillier5167 Год назад

I would LOOOOOOVE a Secret Lair: Wachel Reeks’ Pheldagrif deck

@eisbeareis3918 Год назад

Too bad that Phelddagrif is on the reserved list …

@hash-tag-aecg7087 Год назад

@@eisbeareis3918 I wish they'd ban the reserved list in all formats.

@reactivatedyt9788 Год назад

In the casual play I’ve brought this to 2 separate game nights and it was alot of fun and preformed really well. I’ll also be bringing it with me to command fest in a few weeks so I’m hoping some others will see it’s a really fun deck to play against as well. Hope to see you as well Professor!

@willem1847 Год назад

Awesome Was waiting for this one

@maidenless_tarnished Год назад

I had planned on buying each of the commander decks from this series, but couldn't justify the price increase. Definitely no surprise there

@nndo6953 Год назад

thank you for analyzing this deck!

@flyingalienqueen Год назад

Just want to thank you for adding an evergreen coin to the SUP Part Deux Kickstarter! Very cool of TCC. Another informative review too, I was not expecting the deck to have so much value!

@MuscleMTG Год назад

The 5 foil cards' artwork is unreal. I bought the lair because of those 5 cards before I even looked at the other 95.

@PieMan061 Год назад

I bought knowing it wasn’t a super synergistic deck but love the janky theme. Also to their credit, it was on sale for over a week; I thought it was going to sell out in minutes like the advent debacle…

@elijahwalker323 Год назад

Same, I was worried I wouldn't be able to order one. But then I saw it on the page for the next 2 weeks and like why did I have to wait an hour to place my order. I thought bots would have bought them all.

@kylebrochill21 Год назад

The art was really the big selling point for me here. I love both sides of the 5 special treatment cards and I've been wanting a lot of the other includes for a while now. I wasn't sure if I'd play the deck as is but after watching this and reading some comments here, I'll have to give it a shot. At least I'll have an easier time convincing the pod it isn't just a pile of good stuff value that is normally seen in Esika decks.

@Ahayzo Год назад

The art being so good is what bugged me the most about the product. I absolutely hate that they are not available at all in non foil form. I would love to have playsets of all those alt art versions in my collections, but being foil means I can't reliably count on them being playable.

@JoeMac_ Год назад

I made a couple small changes to support the Legendary Tribal theme it has going. I dig the deck (that being said I would’ve totally just bought the new versions of the cards in a regular secret lair had it been offered alongside)

@drinkupnerds Год назад

Same. I got it for the art and for a couple higher value cards included, not for the game play.

@emilyhasbrouck934 Год назад

Haven't gone a chance to play it yet, but depending on performance that's probably what I'll do too

@JoeMac_ Год назад

@@emilyhasbrouck934 mana cost is relatively low, I was able to build a board state pretty quickly in the 3 games I played with it. I recommend: Paradox Haze (extra upkeep) Sun Titan (lots of 3 cmc permanents) Eerie Ultimatum (bring everything back) Yoshimaru (legendary tribal) Jodah, The Unifier (legendary tribal) Bruna, The Fading Light (legendary/flip flavor) Gisela, The Broken Blade (legendary/flip flavor)

@emilyhasbrouck934 Год назад

@@JoeMac_ if only there where more ways to copy or make the tokens I'd love to throw Atla Palani in

@fate3071 10 месяцев назад

I had to pick this deck up off the secondary market recently and I gotta say I am super excited to start playing it

@CreativeSteve69 Год назад

damnit, I was looking forward to snagging this Lair. But glad I watched the video all the way through. Love your videos professor.

@homebrewed Год назад

Great analysis!

@GoofyahhGus Год назад

Really enjoyed the format of this review. Your best precon deck review in a while, imo. Maybe I'm just happy to have my investment more or less justified 😄✌🧡

@Geekofthegalaxy Год назад

I got this mostly for the reprints and the adorable art and figured I would play to see how it goes. Strengthening the legendary theme and removing cards that didn’t serve it, removing the day/night cards, and throwing in what triomes I already had, I was surprised how much I really liked playing it. Taking it to a commander night, I was surprised how much I was able to keep up. Next thing to upgrade is some interaction and answers to threats but I am definitely keeping it together. It’s really fun and the interactions I keep finding has been fun.

@joeysollazzo6025 Год назад

Im loving this deck. I went ahead and switched out the 1 sided cards for new double faced cards like the new praetors and certain battles. My only 1 sided cards left are mana rocks and lands

@gregoryliedtka7510 Год назад

Thank you for adding the unlimited pledge option. I needed to wait for my paycheck to clear and was sad I thought I missed it.

@schwertunddonner3953 Год назад

9:23 I love the recol to the Gideon/Kytheon bit from the office hours series (one of my Favorits)

@AidanWR Год назад

I just got my deck box and other extras from the kickstarter. Thank you for it, it will be a perfect place to house some of my meme commander decks. As well as carry all my tokens with all the extra space

@Ellicess Год назад

I’m definitely buying the Nicol Bolas and Esika cards for my Ur-Dragon commander deck though

@darksora763 Год назад

Oh wow this is a really cool deck. I'll have to pick it up at some point.

@vice723 Год назад

I like the tied back hair, prof!

@NightmareFuelsYou Год назад

Looks really fun. I wish I had known about it!

@grantmurdock7385 Год назад

Can I take a moment to say that the portrait of Gavin used here is just the best?

@MrValentineful Год назад

I got both and I am really happy with both. My copy of From Cute to Brute was a minor misscut set. Still sleeved up well and I turned it into my TWO new fun mid power decks. From Cute to Brute can now be played as a legendary creature deck or a super friends deck in my collection and I think both ways are a boat load of fun.

@All_that_is_Magic Месяц назад

Great vid as allways.

@inamecomeunico8935 Год назад

The timing of "transform tribal" is quite precise, we just got March of Machines with cards that care about tranform things like Invasion of Pyrulea

@brendans1983 Год назад

Your introductions always make me laugh, but today was extra special 😂🍻

@absolutedisgrace Год назад

This deck would have been a must buy for me if I knew it existed :( I love this style of deck. I love the art work.

@oldpoppaburr5943 Год назад

I'm a easily convinced victim of FOMO.. I stalk secret lairs at least once a week to see what might show up

@JeremyJ5040 Год назад

Archangel Avacyn is one my favorite commander decks I play with, that was the first selling point to me. Then, Bloodline Keeper is one of my favorite cards ever. I’m happy with the purchase even if I don’t really care for playing the deck. A set of the pathways was a very nice surprise.

@registereduser Год назад

Got this, but wanted to see the review before I opened it up. Regarding the foil issue, did the foils from the previous deck curl at all?

@mage189 Год назад

Less foil cards would have actually been a good selling point for me.

@mofomiko Год назад

Amazing how the problem has been lasting for years now, with wizards even introducing new foils every set, but the curling still hasn't been remotely fixed. They just don't care at all

@thekingofston7591 Год назад

I have an esika edh deck that I hand crafted when I saw this drop I knew I had to have it and see what idea they had I love it and the double face from cute to brute cards were entirely worth it for me I will get to test it out this Friday and I am excited for some value

@KakuEpsilon Год назад

So glad you made this video. Not that I was on the fence about buying it (A lot of the reprints were things I wanted in my collection, and they would have cost so much more individually than the deck itself) but because of your in-depth analysis and explanation of how to play the deck. Regardless of the joke that you are no good at Magic, your analysis and explanations feel, well, like a professional player teaching less professional minded players how to play the game and the decks they put out.

@huemungus5535 Год назад

Bummed it was short printed. But wasn't Intrested in buying it for 150 anyway

@SplinteredLimb Год назад

I'm 20 seconds into this video and I'm already hooked

@erikedelkamp473 Год назад

I sure am glad I was able to get one as late as I did.

@TyrWolf88 Год назад

But we couldn't have a werewolf deck for Midnight Hunt...

@zealousdemon Год назад

I think the fact that the deck has so many reprints of double-faced cards in particular is worth mentioning. Double-faced cards are very, very rarely reprinted for various logistical reasons. Most of the double-faced cards in this deck are being reprinted for the very first time, and it will be more difficult for them to be reprinted ever again. For that reason I think this deck is going to hold its financial value for longer. A product like this which can help put more double-faced reprints into the wild is a good thing, I think. Also, I'm a bit disappointed that Prof didn't mention the bonus card of Delver of Secrets, which is an above average inclusion in my opinion.

@mofomiko Год назад

My guess is the double faced cards being hard to reprint argument is a load of BS from WoTC. We get double faced cards almost every set now, it seems that they won't reprint them just to increase FOMO and drive more people to open packs in sets to come, and - of course - to push more ridiculous secret lairs like this

@jedrzejkraszewski816 Год назад

I'm not sure about the logistical reasons. They include double-faced tokens in every commander deck after all, are they easier to print somehow?

@Escorien Год назад

@@jedrzejkraszewski816 Yes. Single faced cards and double faced ones are not mixed on print sheets for qualiry control, so printing DFCs requires having enough of them to merit a print sheet for them without wasting slots (sheets are 11 cards by 11 cards for 121 slots). Therefore, Commander decks can get away with this for tokens due to the number each deck receives due to putting them all on one sheet.

@jedrzejkraszewski816 Год назад

@@Escorien I know about the sheets, but why couldn't a double-faced card replace a token or two, or up to ten (eleven if you count the rules tips card), if a deck would require it?

@Escorien Год назад

@@jedrzejkraszewski816 Tokens and actual cards don't use the same cardstock- tokens are made with flimsier paper, but there's also a color difference, which you can see if you hold a stack of tokens and a stack of cards next to each other from the same source (a freshly opened commander deck or booster box, for example).

@Zenphoshen Год назад

Man had I known this was a thing I would have totally ordered a deck. I am a sucker for Avacyn so now I have to get my hands on that deck. Time to see if I can get one for near MSRP XD

@FabianPawlowski Год назад

Can you add the dice from the previous kickstarter to this kickstarter since I missed out on ordering one? :D

@LotusFallacy Год назад

Prof went subtle savage those first 120 seconds 😂

@newbe1o1 Год назад

Bought mine for the artwork. Lots of mid cards needed for other decks.

@coltonlyne6736 Год назад

You four minute rant at the beginning is a good thing, two of my friends bought it and the fact that some of the cards will hold any sort of value due to scarcity is a small win for them

@alexidor8482 Год назад

That intro was great 😂

@markgrochowicz4098 Год назад

Hey Prof, was wondering why you left out the bonus card Delver of Secrets out of your review? It's in every deck...

@Flyboy245 Год назад

A+ on the intro prof. Cute to brute

@CAPTAINCHAOS_ Год назад

Dedication to flavor is something I wish more players did. It really makes for interesting and diverse games!

@BenjaminKlahn Год назад

@1:45 Solid points. I've been suggesting Melissa DeTora's famous GW enchantress deck as another option. The only problem I can see with any of these decks colab options is that basically everyone uses dual lands and good mana bases in their decks and WotC refuses to print commander decks with good manabases. If they did players wouldn't need to upgrade the decks as urgently as they usually do.

@jonnyb7283 Год назад

I didn’t know anything about this and this is 100% my thing. Wish I had a fair chance to get one

@angelowentzler9961 Год назад

Note, the cards in the deck are not special SLD versions, but more 'generic' reprints: they have the original expansion symbol on the type line,a nd at the bottom it doesn't say SLD but the original set code. The planeswalker symbol in the bottom left appears to be a general purpose 'reprint marker' they use like this for a lot of things now, like The List and Mystery Booster. It's really not possible to differentiate them anymore.

@Boyahda Год назад

Mine arrived in about a week. I honestly thought I'd have to wait at least 2 years.

@CBenGood Год назад

Same here. Got mine in about a week and thought it would take way longer

@oldpoppaburr5943 Год назад

Mine came in 2 days after ordering it

@occasj Год назад

Got it for the new art and basically plan to cannibalize for parts for other commander decks. Compared to heads I win tails you lose I say it fails. I couldn't see the synergy until you pointed it out and even after I still see it as let's grab as much flip cards as we can and make it look good.

@nonameformeish Год назад

Thank you for the great in-depth review! It was much more informative than another review I saw that opened the deck, looked at it for 2 minutes, and said it is sh*t.

@slizzl3553 Год назад

Damn that's a fun looking deck ❤

@Weldryn Год назад

Already got it. Bought for all 5of my Favorit double sided cards. Love the artworks. Got run over Hard against my friends. Upgraded the Deck with just cards laying around. It's more focused now. Got stomped again, but i Love it.

@RaikooIdea1 Год назад

QwQ I got The Academic and playmat today. I'm crying!!! Omg I'm so happy!!! Thank you so much Professor!!! These are amazing!! The playmat is beautiful! I want to frame it :)

@benjaminrichard7741 Год назад

Thanks for the info about the game designer. I love Modern Horizons ❤

@TheJcjonesacp Год назад

I tried it at my LGs it won nicely and saved, which was nice. I felt the purchase was worth it for the artwork of the foils and some neat ideas.

@AnimateDead Год назад

Yup I’m hoping for a second wave, would love to add this to my collection

@jasonlarue5694 Год назад

I'm happy I got it when I did. Like you said with less foils, and higher price. Why didn't they give use cards to use as checklist cards? I don't like to desleeve my cards in the middle of games. I often triple sleeve my cards. If anyone is curious why, I have MS. I do have a stack of 'checklist' cards, that I'm going to write up when I get a chance. And thank you for the video and I'm glad we didn't crash Kickstarter this time. :)

@matthewcichy4187 Год назад

Thank you professor, this video was very helpful. It let me know that decks had already shipped so I can now do what you always suggest "Buy Singles!"

@Z3R0SAMA Год назад

Played this last Thursday night. Turn 4 flipping bolas was cool but got blown out later this deck can definitely use.some upgrades. But out of the box it was fun.

@ThatBlondeKid95 Год назад

I just started the video and I just wanna say, I looove the fit, Prof. As the kids say, your drip is on fleek.

@zault Год назад

You are correct, I only found out about it now.

@pISSUMTREE Год назад

just played a commander game with 4 players and this deck kicked our butt right out of the deck with no changes ! Was fun to play against !!!

@hearmth6618 Год назад

I got the foil face commander cards as singles and love their art, but wish the deck was less expensive and made more available to players 💵

@RedPandaStan Год назад

I liked the art and wanted a casual commander deck for playing casual matches at college, so I think I made a good decision

@averybluemondayful Год назад

I just got my Kickstarter deckboxes, playmat, and tokens last weekend, they look AMAZING!!! One of my friends doesnt know that i bought an extra one for him to celebrate our 16+ years as friends.

@dogblue3817 Год назад

I'm so happy to see new Profesor persona: Cute Scholar 🎉 Very nice outfit :)

@retro.7673 Год назад

I made the deck 100% flip cards if anyone wants the deck list :) It’s a blast.

@mofomiko Год назад

post it fam

@joned1000 Год назад

Send that link

@zerunusmachina Год назад

I honestly don't mind that there's less foils, Bling is good but I like functional bling. Considering the history of how curled foils can get, less foils means a much cleaner looking deck to me. I like it.

@theholywand11 Год назад

I enjoy the deck a lot. It's pretty good and easy to upgrade since it can go in many directions.

@lucapippo94 Год назад

Order mine on Monday and got it on Tuesday, unfortunately they sent the SL Randy Vargas instead of the deck, still waiting an answer from the customer service

@ericcarman8345 Год назад

I've got mine! It's pretty sweet.

@MrAskmannen Год назад

Flip cards are such a pain in the ass, why would anyone wanna play with a deck full of them?

@frankiemorga2873 Год назад

Honestly, I think having a set amount of Secret Lair product ready to ship is such a good idea but can be made even better by adding the "made to order" option once the initial wave sells out. Its thematic to the name Secret Lair, the first batch to know get theirs early while anyone that finds out after the fact can then order their own, to be in on the secret as it were.

@Thalrion Год назад

Prof, you too are an "MTG Rockstar". A Professor themed EDH-deck might be the first secret lair I'd buy!

@Walmbat Год назад

Honestly, I like the idea behind the alternate arts, but I do wish that they had done more of them, because I adore the juxtaposition between the cute side and the brute side (honestly, I'd be tempted to buy a GODMACHINE Secret Lair on its own just because I love their art).

@AncientJerks Год назад

I swapped out some the cards to make a bit of a jank Legendary creatures deck that i tried for the first time and i really enjoyed it, the cards i took out still look like theyll be great for some other decks too

@RaunienTheFirst Год назад

This is the first I've heard of this. It looks interesting, perhaps I'll buy - oh, wait.

@jenniferesculano2974 10 месяцев назад

Here's one use I've liked for the extra thick cards: they can act as proxy cards for other decks if you want

@thrillhouse4151 Год назад

Definitely had *no idea this was even a thing til it was already too late* .

@AlledThundes Год назад

This just shows how bullshit was the not printing a werewolf deck move was in the last inistrad block.

@TheNakedSamurai Год назад

I'm sad I missed out on this one, would love a 2nd wave

@aaronjohnson2547 Год назад

I bought it and I think this deck has major potential with only a few cheap upgrades. The deck fails when it comes to spot removal and board wipes they should have done better. The mana base is ok but it needs some improvement in the mana base speed what it came with holds the deck back a bit. I'm going to add Dihada, binder of wills as a secondary commander or just to be used in the deck. Financially the deck offers good value and it was worth the purchase The cards in the deck can definitely be used in many other formats and many other commander decks.

@DragonProtector Год назад

I ordered mine the 10th. The day it became available to ship. I got it awhile ago and yea. I love dragons zo it was ofc auto yes

@PinkPenguinMovie Год назад

On the next season of shuffle up and play could you play Judge's Tower?

@luisdayvid Год назад

I upgraded it. Love it.

@Libb189 Год назад

I got the deck because I loved the face cards and had been thinking about building a 5C Superfriends deck with Esika/The Bridge as the commander. I played with the deck mostly as is a few times, with the only real changes being upgrades to the manabase with several triomes, fetches, and shocks, as well as swapping out Triplicate Titan, which didn't really fit the theme of the deck with a Huntmaster of the Fells, one of my favorite cards from when I first started playing and a much better fit for the DFC theme. Overall, the deck was a very fun casual deck - it was slow and unwieldy at times, but if my opponents left me unchecked, The Bridge would start accruing a ton of value over time. My store's meta was a little too savage for it to hang as is, so I ended up taking most of the DFCs out and I'm pivoting to a Superfriends theme, though still one that is mostly just the Planeswalkers I had on hand in my collection instead of a super-tuned list. It should be fun and not too overpowered, but reasonable at my store's tables.