Is it worth upgrading an ancient Mac Pro 2008?

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In my last video, I upgraded a Mac Pro 2008 to macOS 14, and it worked pretty well, but it was hindered by my ancient Nvidia GeForce 760 and my cheap SSD.
Patreon - Bonus video here
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So I went on an eBay hunt for a RX 580 and Amazon for a SATA SSD to see if I could make an old computer feel a bit newer. In the process I benchmarked my Mac Pro for disk and GPU improvements. I don't exactly make big RU-vid money so this was kinda a dumb purchase. I really figured this video would have been all of 8~ minutes long and finished in a weekend.... was I ever wrong.
0:00 Intro and selecting upgrades
1:48 Why not RAM?
2:06 It should be easy
2:31 Frustration
4:16 Core Memory Unlocked
5:09 macOS 12 and SATA
5:41 Disk Benchmarks
6:34 RX 580
6:51 RX 80 Benchmarks
8:27 General Impressions with macOS gaming
10:37 More RX 580 benefits
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Benchmarking Utilities:
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Cited Sources:
MacRumors: RX 580 three 3 displays
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OpenCore Legacy Patcher
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RU-vidrs mentioned:
MacSoundSolutions (Lance), Jessie's Flying (Jessie), Joerg Henninges, Martin Lo, Mr. Macintosh
These are the guys I recommend checking out for OpenCore info.
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@universityrepairFL 3 месяца назад

I ❤ you bro! I’ve been running those damn exact Kingstons!

@dmug 3 месяца назад

Yeah they were dirt cheap so I have two 240 GB ones just for random messing around but even then I kinda hate them. I’ve been slowly buying 512 GB mx500s for projects. I have one in my Mac Pro and one in PowerMac G4.

@joshm264 8 месяцев назад

I've had the same issue with my 2009 Mac Pro, and after days of messing around with it back when Ventura came out, I eventually figured out that if I installed macOS with the original GPU, removed the root patches, shut down, and swap in the 580, I could connect to the machine over SSH or VNC, and then install the patches like that. I've been using it daily since then without any issues! (And yes, the same procedure works with Sonoma for me)

@dmug 8 месяцев назад

That's.... not a bad idea. I never considered that it was fully booting. I'll have to try that at some point when I'm more open to being frustrated again. Right now Sonoma is crashing when I try to launch it from OCLP weirdly.

@joshm264 8 месяцев назад

@@dmugI saw Jessie's flying post that there's issues right now with 14.1 on OCLP, so maybe it'll be worth a try in a couple weeks?

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

@@joshm264yeah, I was on 14.0 during the making of this vid, I’m hoping in a few weeks I can get macOS 14 working. Also, I forgot I have a black late 2006 MacBook that’d be a perfect candidate for Linux.

@ladeluff_ 7 месяцев назад

I get stuck on booting up on Sonoma aswell. (Same setup as described above: Dual 2,8Ghz / 16GB 667Mhz RAM and asus GTX 1060 with mSATA SSD (custom ssd enclusure for mSATA drivi) i CAN boot Sonoma if i hold the left SHIFT (Safe mode boot) But then SIP status is all fucked/locked, so i can´t install Root patches (No button availabale to perform patching) and YES this is on 14.0. so shouldn ´t be same issue as Jessie´s flying is describing. BUT look here. it is already solved by Khronokernel (author of OCLP)

@vgdrtdf 7 месяцев назад

@@ladeluff_is there a link? 🙏 I just wanna fix my Mac and get it over with 🥲

@annaj1074 7 месяцев назад

Haven’t seen anyone trying blu ray drive and playing movies. modding front panel for usb c and flash card would be nice. this machine still looks cool after all those years.

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

You can with VLC on the old Mac Pro or in windows. I don’t know if you can do UHD though….

@alan11121959 7 месяцев назад

Mr. Macintosh has an update specific to OCLP1.1.0, Mac Pro and Sonoma om his RU-vid channel. The problems encountered are unique to the Mac Pro and the OCLP dev team are working on it. Note that the Mac Pro has always had difficulities with these upgrades and remember that you're trying to use modern software on a machine that has long passed it's expiration date...it's 15 YEARS OLD...

@charper1541 7 месяцев назад

Great content and very useful info for Mac Pro community. Just finished my yummy IPA and your've a good sense of humor my friend. Cheers!

@erg7732 8 месяцев назад

This is a fantastic video Greg, not sure why you had so much trouble with open core, but yeah I reckon a 5,1 would have been a nicer shout.

@erg7732 8 месяцев назад

This is Quin btw 😂

@dmug 8 месяцев назад

@@erg7732As always, thanks for the engagement.

@inthestudy 7 месяцев назад

Pro tip - 667 vs 800 makes damn near no difference and 667 FB-DIMMs are cheap. :)

@ryanhines293 7 месяцев назад

I love the timeless design of Mac hardware from 2008-2020. Which one of my fave setups was taking a 2011 27 inch iMac and getting the ram to 32gb, 2tb samsung sata ssd, and then would put on a pretty custom version of Linux to run on it. Quite a bit of distros now from 22.04 support all the devices in it and older macbooks even the facetime cameras ootb!

@Dainternetdude 7 месяцев назад

Beleive it or not this design goes all the way back to the Power Mac from 2003!

@MRSTU1210 7 месяцев назад

Very cool subbed

@rodrigo4379 7 месяцев назад

I bought a used 590 with vial bios and I struggled like an hour with windows drivers, seemed like the car was running a mining bios and after switching the bios it worked great.

@rebel8481 7 месяцев назад

2010 Macs never die

@DanielJBrieckJr 7 месяцев назад

So glad I am not doing OCLP, thanks for saving me the time. Linux Mint 21.x running like a charm

@eppicshotgun1281 7 месяцев назад

I just bought one of these '08 Cheese graters on ebay for like 100 bucks and the plan is to basically turn it into a glorified thunderbolt dock cause I just like the way they look lol.

@SinlowMusic 7 месяцев назад

This is awesome. I love older Macs and always felt that a lot of them had planned obsolesce before their time. Seeing one comfortably run modern MACos in general is pretty sweet.

@sinephase 7 месяцев назад

planned obsolescence is Apple's whole strategy

@SinlowMusic 7 месяцев назад

I mean, they receive far better and more consistent support than older Android iPhones. Planned obsolesce is part of the corporate world in general. @@sinephase

@WaymoresBlues 7 месяцев назад

I still have a PowerMac 6500 in my garage with OS9 installed on it mostly for nostalgia since it is covered in the stickers from the several bands that I liked or personally knew back in the 90's when I used to make flyers for them in Photoshop and run down to Kinkos to print and cut them on card stock. I miss those days but not the trying to figure out which old extension was incompatible with a new one and was causing my system to crash. That was always a problem and just when I thought I handle on it, BAM, OSX came out and all of my old Macs were now obsolete

@WaymoresBlues 7 месяцев назад

And that greedy planned obsolescence practice from Apple is why I stopped buying new Apple products after the burn I felt when I purchased one of the original iMacs that was made obsolete within a year and their ever changing power adapters and lack of backward compability. But what really riled me to no end was when I went to buy a composite cable adapter for my Video iPod and the Apple markup on it was outrageous only to find a similar mini RCA to composite cable at Pacific Radio and find the only difference was that red RCA jack was actually the yellow, the yellow was the white jack and the white was the red jack on a 12 foot cable that was a fraction of the price of the official Apple 3 foot composite cable. Those chicken shyte sumbich's at Apple haven't got a red cent from me since.

@poofygoof 7 месяцев назад

Definitely some of the better looking Mac systems; I didn't know you could shoehorn newer MacOS in there. I worked extensively with Xeon systems of this era, and they were quite the screamers at the time, I think I had tricked out my dev system with dual W3680 (gulftown) before we moved to Romley (E5-2600 and -2600v2 series).

@annonymouspotato-io8jz 7 месяцев назад

how did you get it to support metal 3? my 580 (exact same 4gb sapphire nitro) is stuck on metal 2 in Sonoma. also how did you go about installing windows, did you use bootcamp? Edit: also, when I first installed my RX 580 in my Mac the only way I could actually get it to output any form of video, was by removing all the SSD's, HDD's, USB's and expansion cards except for the OCLP USB and the 580. Then I had to perform an NVRAM reset to, for lack of a better term: "load the drivers" onto the card. lastly, during the install I had to do an NVRAM reset every single time it rebooted. Hope this helps.

@jaimemartinez-castillo9779 7 месяцев назад

Thank you very much for answering friend. I was referring to the RX 590 and not the RX 580. Or are the two video cards the same?

@piecaruso97 7 месяцев назад

to be honest this kind of hardware is perfect for a linux build since this is an older platform, since the introduction of steam's proton, it's quite the gaming platform and there are great open source apps to perform all the tasks you did in the video too

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

LInux content coming, for this machine and another.

@universityrepairFL 3 месяца назад

Linux definitely works on “obsolete “ Mac’s!

@sinephase 7 месяцев назад

such a great design! It's still a desirable case for modding to convert it to a modern PC

@davidcmcchesney 7 месяцев назад

Because of the ufi partition had wrong gpu drivers & SIP when I had the same issue on my 3,1. I sold all my 3,1’s & now have 4 4,1’s and 2 5,1’s

@give_me_my_nick_back 7 месяцев назад

How about trying to put NVME SSD into PCI-E x16? I've done that on a random old HP - sure, the bios did not support the NVME but it does not really matter so long you have the boot files on another drive, I just put in an old USB stick permamently as my boot drive ridirecting to NVME.

@clivemorris4845 7 месяцев назад

I have a similar setup, same GPU but with 8GB RAM, 32GB system RAM but a single processor. It runs Monterey happily under OCLP and I've not moved to Ventura or Sonoma as I don't like the interface. The only issue I've really had is that I have to remove the boot drive and install OCLP from another machine or I loose Bluetooth and I've never managed to get WiFi working so it's as well the ethernet is close by. I tend to use it as a media server, from your experience I think I'll definitely stick with Monterey!

@universityrepairFL 3 месяца назад

Nice I got 32 in my dual 3,1.

@universityrepairFL 3 месяца назад

I’ve heard you can upgrade the processors but gpu and metal is the key to it all or just bootcamp windows tbh it’s still intel

@Spoolingturbo6 7 месяцев назад

What happen the last time you installed MacOS14? I wonder ... did you need to add boot arg's like Pikera. Or maybe you needed to use the Nvida card / use OC to make a MacOS14 instal / then add RX and boot arguments.. just brainstorming. those are my thoughts. I may pull mine out, knock the dust off snd have s go with a Vega 64.

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

That’s where my knowledge trails off as I missed the era of manual tweaks. I briefly used Martin Lo’s config but we had the same system: dual 5,1 + Radeon VII so I never messed with it, then I sold my Mac Pro 5,1s. I ran the post install remover from OpenCore, which nuked the GeForce 760 and included the AMD option assuming it’d configure everything properly. My current OpenCore config works for macOS 12 so that portion seems to be ok, but it’s just working with Sonoma and not sure if some post install is messed up.

@catalystguitarguy 7 месяцев назад

Ah I haven't dabbled with running opencore on my Mac Pro 3,1. I just have mine running Catalina with a vega 64 and a PCIe adapter for the sata SSD boot drive. I just had to add the instruction emulation so I could make the CPUs recognize the Vega card. I want to say it was SSE4.2 instructions that the harpertown Xeons do not have natively. I messed around with clover a couple years back for a ryzen based hackintosh that was fantastic. Never got around to trying out opencore. I mostly use linux now. Always fun to push the limits of old hardware. I keep the 3,1 around these days since it has both firewire 400 and 800 making it ideal for troubleshooting and fixing other old intel macs, macbooks, imacs, etc anything from '06-13.

@ktangut 2 месяца назад

I had the exact headache. Once I was able to install Monterey, everything worked well, except audio. Whenever I played a song, it would skip every 5 seconds and was laggy.

@MacSoundSolutions 7 месяцев назад

Nice one Greg! Cheers from NY. I’m on Monterey 12.7 with MLOC 0.9.5 and rx6800xt the old girl is still rockin. But my McFiver pcie card seems to be frying my bus powered SSDs. They work as they should then all of a sudden drop to USB2 speeds and never come back. It’s really weird. Powered drives work fine. Talking with Sonnet but must be some kind of power issue.

@macgamer1973 7 месяцев назад

you should upgrade to 1.1.0-With the release of OpenCore Legacy Patcher v1.1.0, some noteworthy improvements are dropping! T1 Security Chip support for macOS Sonoma! Restores Touch ID Authentication Applicable for 2016 and 2017 TouchBar MacBook Pros MacBookPro13,2, MacBookPro13,3, MacBookPro14,2, MacBookPro14,3 Streamlined OpenCore vaulting for additional tamper protections by Jazzzny Improvements for macOS 14.1: Resolved PCIe FaceTime camera support Resolved USB 1.1 support

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

You could buy a voltage meter, I picked up a AVHzY model, which you can record what’s happening over time and see if it has weird power spikes. It’d be a pain in the ass and I think the software is windows only for the data it generates. There’s videos that show how to use it. I just bought it so I could tell if my USBc cables were charging cables or not.

@MacSoundSolutions 7 месяцев назад

@@dmug I have iStat and it shows pcie voltage etc but doesn’t mean much to my audio engineering brain but it looks consistent on the card. May be slightly underpowered but I don’t know what it should be. I have one bus powered ssd that doesn’t have the issue and keeps working normally. Still waiting to hear back from Sonnet.

@poorfarmer391 7 месяцев назад

I have the 1.1 I picked up a few years ago still haven't been able to get it to display I don't know if it's the 32 gigs ram that in it or not

@the_grand_tourer 7 месяцев назад

I upgraded my 2009 Cheese Grater switching form 4.1 to 5,1, with new processors, adding 30%. a new GPU, and filled up the ram ... it wasn't entirely smooth (had to add software to deal with fan overrun), but I've been running it very happily, dealing with 4k editing very easily and fast reactive screen processing ... 14 years old. Must have been an oversight by Mac to allow so much potential e-waste get by their general single use attitude to their products.

@ladeluff_ 7 месяцев назад

Just quick follow up. I managed to fully complete Sonoma 14.1 on One of my 5.1 w RX 580 fitted UPGRADING from ventura. But NOT booting from ssd Sonoma 14.1 installer. Its just all black/freeze at progress bar at approx 1%😮

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

I think Jessie’s flying has a video about the black screen freeze.

@bennym1956 7 месяцев назад

My last Mac tower was a G4 PowerPC....... I just move forward nowadays and run my Macs til they die and get a new one. Still on an 27" 2017 iMac Intel...want an M series 27" iMac if they ever make a new one....

@user-bl7qh5bk7v 6 месяцев назад

Mac's strategy has always been to create a stellar product that no one can copy, and then phase it out so you have to buy the next one. But if youre willing to put in the leg work, you can keep them going for a long time.

@laurencejohnson4106 8 месяцев назад

An interesting video and perhaps you could make a video showing how well it works with Linux Mint or another Linux distro. There are many free games in the Linux Mint repository and Steam can be installed, Wine can also be installed.

@dmug 8 месяцев назад

At some point I'll probably go in on a Linux distro and make a video about it. I use Linux via CLI in Docker containers fairly regular but haven't touched desktop Linux in years. I'm a bit of a known Linux-desktop skeptic so might be fun.

@laurencejohnson4106 8 месяцев назад

@@dmug My daily driver is Linux Mint Mate, but many folk prefer the Cinnamon desktop, I have tried several Linux distros, (about 30 in fact) but Linux Mint suits me, I do have Windows 11 on another computer though.

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

@@laurencejohnson4106 I debated making a Linux video where I have to actually use it to make a video but decided against it as I’d be mildly frustrated by having to learn Da Vinci Resolve to make it happen and I don’t really have a replacement for some of the tools I rely on like Apple Motion, Cubase/Ableton, and Topaz Video AI upscaler. I think the angle I might use focusing on the performance angle as macOS is generally the slowest OS when comparing against windows and Linux, and there’s solid benchmarking tools that are cross platform I could use, and more show it’s feasible to do much of what users want to do, from the perspective of someone who hasn’t used desktop Linux seriously for 15 years. Open to angles to approach the video.

@BlackLionWolf 7 месяцев назад

@@dmugWhat I can say is that I pulled out my Dad’s old 2008 Mac Pro and installed Linux Manjaro KDE and was floored by how smooth things were. I even threw in his old Nvidia Quadro k4000 and was running 4k content with ease. I mean, it can run lots of very good and useful retro games and likely could run a few current. All drivers were automatically detected and installed. Quite honestly with this OS this could make this machine last many more years. It’s worth a try at Linux if you want to squeeze out the last bits of use of this machine.

@cinemaipswich4636 7 месяцев назад

As is, it could easily handle 128 channels of audio production with lots of add-ons, and effects.

@universityrepairFL 3 месяца назад

I’m stuck on Catalina , have put off the power supply mod on my 3,1 .

@coordinacionensenada8142 7 месяцев назад

Good day friend. Thank you for the time you invest in sharing such valuable information, we are very happy with your RU-vid channel, I greet you from Ensenada Mexico. If you allow me, I would like to ask you a question: I have a Mac pro 3.1 early 2008. Will an Rx 590 Sapphire Nitro+ (special edition) 8 Gig graphics card be compatible?

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

Yes, all Radeon RX 580s are compatible, although there are rare cases where a seller has loaded on specialized firmware onto the card. If that’s the case, you will need to reflash it the proper firmware.

@jaimemartinez-castillo9779 7 месяцев назад

Thank you very much for answering friend. I was referring to the RX 590 and not the RX 580. Or are the two video cards the same?

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

@@jaimemartinez-castillo9779 sorry I didn’t clarify, the RX 590 is an overclocked RX 580. It has a larger cooler that will block the next PCIe slot but is effectively the same GPU as RX 580x

@coordinacionensenada8142 7 месяцев назад

OK. I UNDERSTAND. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR RESPONDING SO FAST. ONE LAST QUESTION IS THIS VIDEO CARD (RX 590) COMPATIBLE WITH METAL TECHNOLOGY?

@coordinacionensenada8142 7 месяцев назад

Intente istalar Big Sur Con la RX 590 y con OCLP, pero no se que estoy haciendo mal, solo veo una pantalla negra y no puedo ver el boot.

@user-gb8nx8qr2z 7 месяцев назад

Ive upgraded many 2008 to 2012 Mac Pros for my business. The problem now is the cpu(s) are obsolete so future OSes, even those for Intel chips, wont work properly

@sinephase 7 месяцев назад

what software does it have that you can't use on a windows PC?

@gametime2473 3 месяца назад

How do you upgrade a 2008 to a 2012? They are totally different computers. Did you mean 2009 (4,1) to 2010-12 (5,1)? You can upgrade 2009 to a 5,1 but not a 2008

@ChandlerHartman 7 месяцев назад

Has anyone else had success with the 5700xt on sonoma? Im using the latest OCLP and haven’t made success getting the os to recognize the gpu only states the 7mb cache

@CapNemoDRS 7 месяцев назад

good! . my lenovo thinkcentre 2006 works perfectly with quad 6700 and gt1030 like media centre in my bedroom for 4k movies and browser on tv set

@slippydouglas 7 месяцев назад

For an older but good GPU, consider the RX 590. It’s very similar to the RX 580 with slight clockspeed and VRAM speed bumps, but most importantly, shipped with 8GB of VRAM (not sure if all 590s have 8GB, but my PowerColor Red Dragon RX 590 did). I used one with my mid-2017 MacBook Pro in a Razer Core X eGPU for years without any issues.

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

The downside is I’m pretty sure all the coolers on those block the 16x pcie slot.

@dave7244 7 месяцев назад

It would be interesting to see how well Linux ran on that machine. Debian runs very well on my old Mac Mini i5.

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

Yep, that content is coming for sure. Plan to do a shoot out between Linux / macOS / Windows

@NegroRotary 4 месяца назад

Need your help man, I want a Geforce GT 730 so i can connect two 30 inch cinema display, but in your guide you said I need to have Kepler chipset, how do i know that before i buy one?

@dmug 4 месяца назад

You don't need specifically Keplar GPU, just a GPU that can do dual 1440p@60hz. The Cinema displays are a pain as they're dual-link DVI and DVI is a dead standard. More modern GPUs either have a single DVI port (which will support Dual Link) or none at all. I know people love those displays but I just am not a fan of using them as most are yellowing at this point and there's better displays now for less money, without the hassle of dual link DVI. Start here: blog.greggant.com/posts/2018/05/07/definitive-mac-pro-upgrade-guide.html#duallinkdvi The best option would be to skip the Cinema Display (or at least two). The secondary option would be to find a more modern GPU with a DVI port and then get an active convertor for the second Cinema Display. You can ask around on MacProUpgrade on Facebook, MacRumors Forums in the Mac Pro group or Reddit's Mac Pro group to see what solutions people have cooked up.

@NegroRotary 4 месяца назад

@@dmug@dmug call me crazy, lol, but I love those damn monitors, man; right now, I have one 30-inch and 27-inch Thunderbolt, and the 27 have a webcam which I won't have with the 30-inch.

@AndresValdez54235 5 месяцев назад

Hi there. This video is perfect for next question. When you used open core legacy patcher to upgrade Mac os to ventura or sonoma or monterrey you REMOVED the original AMD gpu...yet you still have it installed.why? Some other guys say they have both gpus to get boot screen. That means you "switch" monitor wires??or you can have both plugged and get boot screen even of the monitor is plugged to not AMD gpu?

@dmug 5 месяцев назад

I'm not sure if it's this video or the other video the Mac Pro 2008 but having the Radeon 2600 XT caused me a lot of grief with OpenCore so I yanked it. I dunno if there's a continuity issue in my shots but I can positively say, I do not have it installed. I do keep it around as a "Just in case" as having an original GPU that can output the EFI bootscreen is useful.

@AndresValdez54235 5 месяцев назад

@@dmug thanks for the answer. I also have the original AMD gpu for the rainy days, stored in a box... I used your video (the painful one) to install big sur and monterrey in a 2008 3,1... I experienced the same issue as you with the AMD gpu... let me ask one more question. I have Intel Xeon E5462 @2.8 ghz (2 quad cores) cpus in my working 3,1... if I want to upgrade them which cpus can I install? I will end up giving you for free my 1,1 macpro for your projects

@dmug 5 месяцев назад

@@AndresValdez54235 The answers you seek are here. blog.greggant.com/posts/2018/05/07/definitive-mac-pro-upgrade-guide.html If you're offering a whole Mac Pro 1,1 I'd hate to burden anyone with the cost of shipping it as it's _expensive_. I appreciate the offer but but unless you happen to be in the PNW where it's local shipping could be as much as $75. Also, they're a pain to pack.

@ladeluff_ 7 месяцев назад

HAH. PERFECT Timing Greg. i´m doing the very same project these days. Having headaches over det shitty web drivers and an Asus 1060 6GB. But i ´m stuck on High sierra 17G66 firmware which REFUSE to get the latest security update, i suspect the dosdude patcher locks down the kext or system some how. So think i have to crawl back to using a spare RX 580 after all ;)

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

Yeah I had 1060 in this very system years ago. I ended up with Vega 56 in it but sold it during the gpu crisis for an absurd $850.

@ladeluff_ 7 месяцев назад

woah lol. That IS (was) absurd.@@dmug

@ladeluff_ 7 месяцев назад

…and i payed approx $80 a year ago for my 1060@@dmug

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

@@ladeluff_Not bad at all, especially given the market then. I bought the 1060 new in early 2018 for $360. I gave it to my brother when I got the Vega 56. The ironic part is at one point I had two Vega 56s and sold it at the very beginning of the pandemic for like $180. Whoops.

@ladeluff_ 7 месяцев назад

btw: I sorted out the High Sierra (17G66) issue with an hack i found on reddit mac pro group. all fully acceleration now on a GTX 1060 w latest webdrivers for High Sierra 17G14033 WebDriver-387.10.10.10.40.139

@davidcmcchesney 7 месяцев назад

You are as good as you think you are. You wrote the Definitive Mac Pro Upgrade Guide did you not ? 1 more time get another 5,1 please. NVMe, in a good PCIe controller, USB3, modern WiFi & BT please get the 5,1 running well so you can help me Virtualize . I can’t get OCLP & Paralells to work ?

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

I did write it but unfortunately I sold my 5,1s during the early pandemic to buy a 7,1 so I really missed out on OpenCore, I never had to comb through the random flags in the config. I understand what OpenCore does and how it works from a high level but not the low level stuff. I’m not much help on OpenCore troubleshooting beyond very general issues as I do not daily drive OpenCore and thus probably never going to be an OpenCore expert.

@kady5991 7 месяцев назад

There's one more upgrade that you could do, and it's only theoretical and my 08 cheesegrater got stolen so I can't test it anymore: Getting a pair of X5460 CPUs and modding the pads to force the Bus up to 400Mhz and the CPUs at a toasty 3.8Ghz. (9.5x multiplier I could never test it well because my 667 RAM did not like an increase in the bus speed. (Or if a pair of X5470 CPUs could work with the same FSB mod)

@user-ee4wd6yr2t 5 месяцев назад

Does the RX 570 have metal 3 support?

@Tech-NO-City 7 месяцев назад

I tried installing a RX580 in my 2008 Mac Pro.... I was unable to get it working if it did what a mess if you wanna upgrade the OS.

@Tech-NO-City 7 месяцев назад

I ended up loading fedora linux on the dammn thing

@thermoflaskcat121 7 месяцев назад

same open core thing happend to me and u just tried again 70 times and it eventually worked

@General_Mills_ 7 месяцев назад

Where can I buy that Finder cushion ?

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

throwboy.com/

@stevenlucas7930 6 месяцев назад

So question. How did you update to Mac os 14 when the using the built in usb ports are none usable?

@dmug 6 месяцев назад

They're usable, just USB1.1 doesn't work until post install patches. I think I talk about it in this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-exCcSce2uNo.html You just need a USB2.0 hub to use USB1.1 devices like most mice and keyboards.

@stevenlucas7930 6 месяцев назад

@@dmug are the logitech mx master series usb 2.0 or 1.0 and also where did you plug in at.

@dmug 6 месяцев назад

@@stevenlucas7930 I don't know off the top of my head. As previously stated, all the USB ports work, but before you do the post-install hacks for OpenCore, you'll need to use a USB 2.0 hub and plug 1.1 devices into it. It doesn't matter which port. After you install the post install hacks, you will not need the hub.

@stevenlucas7930 6 месяцев назад

@dmug I understand and sorry for asking, I know Monterey didn't have a problem but when I tried ventura it was like everything just went nuts 🤣🤣. I will buy a adapter tonight and try it. Thank you!!!!!

@dmug 6 месяцев назад

@@stevenlucas7930 no worries.

@kennethloung3422 7 месяцев назад

You sacrifice upgrades when you buy a mac mini not only you save money doing this you can do upgrades as well.

@johnnymemphis3919 7 месяцев назад

How much is browsing 2 days on ebay for a graphcs card? ;)

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

Probably about an hour total? There’s a pretty steep law of diminishing returns with eBay.

@1digitalsmith 8 месяцев назад

I'm still dicking @ with mine overseas i had to take out the top row of ram to run 16gigs on bottom tray, with an adjustable usb fan toward the back wall blowing hot ram air out & since I want El Capitan on it its work in progress not quite there yet but did manage to upgrade to 2,1 not sure what is the most effective method to upgrade it to El Cap aside from modding the boot eufi code via terminal etc.

@dmug 8 месяцев назад

If anyone can get the Mac Pro 2,1 to modern macOS, they'll be a hero. I never owned one myself so I haven't followed the developments as closely as with the rest of the Mac Pros. Last I saw, I think people had Windows 11 working on them.

@universityrepairFL 3 месяца назад

My friend I’m eventually going to make a reply video with mine I’ve had since the beginning of covid ❤

@OddyGoncalves 7 месяцев назад

I recently bought one and managed to update it to the Ventura, but I can't use AirDrop, can anyone help me?

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

Almost certainly it's the wireless chipset.

@OddyGoncalves 7 месяцев назад

@@dmug any tips on how to resolve this? 🥹

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

@@OddyGoncalvesupgrade the wireless chipset

@OddyGoncalves 7 месяцев назад

@@dmug I would have someone to recommend? I've already subscribed to the channel ❤️❤️

@dmug 6 месяцев назад

If you search the definitive, Mac Pro upgrade guide, I’ve listed it there on the written version

@laurencejohnson4106 7 месяцев назад

I tried to answer your last message several times, but it kept disappearing so I sent an e-mail to you with a link. Perhaps you could try installing a Linux distro on an old laptop to try it or you could just try it in live mode from a flash drive.

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

Man, RU-vid is so weird about it’s censorship. Often I’ll see a notification for a comment and I’ll try to reply to it and then I’m unable to because it’s gone.

@laurencejohnson4106 7 месяцев назад

@@dmug Yes, that often happens.

@vgdrtdf 7 месяцев назад

Dude I freaking figured it out!! Ok there’s a switch on ur rx580 that says bios switch. Switch that and u should be able to have a boot screen. When u get to the boot screen, before u click on Sonoma, hold the shift key and then press on Sonoma. U should be able to boot in and install the root patches!

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

Sheesh, I forgot about safe boot. If only my Sonoma install was working but I didn’t ever try safe booting. I wish I had, maybe I’ll follow this up getting Sonoma working.

@freetobe3 7 месяцев назад

Can you do a video comparing performance and hardware compatibility with Linux? Since Windows 10 has clear performances advantages but it's nearing end of life and plenty of people are now seeing Linux as an alternative to keep their older, non Windows 11 compliant, devices running for a while longer.

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

I’ll branch into some Linux content soon, might be a month or so before I get to the classic Mac Pro and Linux

@freetobe3 7 месяцев назад

@@dmug I recommend Linux Mint, Fedora, and EndeavourOS. All represent different package managers with different setups that attract a chunk of the Linux community.

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

@@freetobe3probably will stick with Mint and Ubuntu as those are the ones that have the most mainstream appeal. Mostly, I’ve had exposure in LinuxKit in docker over the past decade. Going super deep in Linux probably will never be my channel as it reminds me too much of work as a web dev.

@miguimau 7 месяцев назад

Coincidentally I just bought a second GeForce GTX 680 2 GB (€100) for my secondary 3.1 ( 2.8 octocore, x2 SSD/ 32 GB RAM) Am I crazy?

@BlackLionWolf 7 месяцев назад

No, this is a testament to how far these modular pcs can be pushed. This is how the pc era should be. If you can keep something alive with a few modest upgrades over time then you should.

@txilibrist 7 месяцев назад

Sonoma works correctly on my MacPro 3.1 24GB Ram and GTX 680 2 GB. Even booting from an external USB enclosure

@miguimau 7 месяцев назад

@@txilibrist Yes, that´s the plan. As my 2 Mac Pros are almost identical I just will install Sonoma in one of them under OCLP then SuperDuper clone to the other one. Writing from my main 3.1 2 x 3 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon which I use on daily basis even when I have more recent Macs (2014 MBAir, Mini and iMac)

@txilibrist 7 месяцев назад

@@miguimau tu apodo me suena mucho de Macuarium ¿Cierto?

@ladeluff_ 7 месяцев назад

Woah😮. I just managed to boot Sonoma BETA! (Had One install already on ssd) on this 2008 Mac pro w both gtx1060 and radeon HD 5770 installed. That should really work with OCLP 1.1.0🎉😂 atleast not in 1 hour.

@Fifury161 7 месяцев назад

This is the first Mac I threw out - the coolant leak ruined it and I had no desire to either repair or mod it. Yes, I have been kicking myself ever since.

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

Coolant? Sure it wasn't a Dual CPU, Dual Core G5? The Mac Pros are all air cooled, unless you modded it...

@Fifury161 7 месяцев назад

@@dmug Yeah - that - the case looked the same

@Flamer000 8 месяцев назад

Cool

@KirkwoodImaging 7 месяцев назад

I have one of these. Gorgeous machines but they are really hampered by memory speeds, their ram is slower than modern SSDs!

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

At least with expensive multi-SSD cards, you can address PCIe SSDs at 3.0 speeds. Sure, it's not PCIe 4.0 but the law of diminished returns kicks in quite a bit.

@mcdjchandler 6 месяцев назад

Hello Mac Pro users, does anyone know if I can still boot a 2009 Mac Pro into 10.7.5 lion with the 5,1 firmware and the 12 core 3.46 processors? Please and thank you!

@dmug 6 месяцев назад

Yes but 10.7.x has pretty limited GPU options and is capped to to something like less than 96 GB of ram. You may want to consider using a virtual machine for 10.7. Check out my video on running snow leopard on my Mac Pro 2008. Can you use OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard in 2023? Nearly 15 years later... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OXRFr8AFC9A.html

@mcdjchandler 6 месяцев назад

It's really just so I can run pro tools mp9 and use all my old firewire hardware etc. I'll take out the metal capable GPU in it and put the much older 5770 that was stock. Thanks for responding. @@dmug

@DBLCreations 7 месяцев назад

I have a 16-core 2019 Mac Pro. I really love this machine but the GPU is the bottleneck with me as well. I have a W5700XT 16GB. I would like to buy either a single or dual Radeon Pro W6800X MPX Module. But it's expensive and i know that for that price, you can buy a Mac Studio or Macbook Pro. But i really love my Mac Pro! I just don't know what i should do at this point... 😩

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

Buy a non-W series AMD GPU. See this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZjGgLgl1EnE.htmlfeature=shared

@gametime2473 3 месяца назад

It will take a normal GPU though right? Just get a PCIe rx-7800xt or even faster. That will give you a ton more GPU performance.

@DBLCreations 3 месяца назад

@@gametime2473 I don't think that one is supported by Apple sadly enough... 😞 But i really need more Thunderbolt 3 ports. It really sucks that this is only combined with the MPX module!

@gametime2473 3 месяца назад

@@DBLCreations There is a youtube video of a guy installing an rx-6800 in his 5,1. If that works, any AMD should.

@DBLCreations 3 месяца назад

@@gametime2473 The 6800 is supported by Apple. The 70 series are not apparently. Already looked that up. I know the 6800 is supported.

@TheEmrickman 4 месяца назад

I’m debating the same for a 2012 5,1 model that I can buy for $100

@dmug 4 месяца назад

tough call, $100 pretty middle of the road for a deal but the CPUs are dirt cheap for it and the RAM is much cheaper for it than the 3,1. I'm guessing for about $100 you could have a newer GPU + faster CPU(s) + SSD and for $150 more RAM, bringing you to about $250 damage, but used Mac Minis M1 are $400 and despite the 8 GB of RAM likely faster for most things. The four reasons I'd go for the Mac Pro is: Love of the hacking/hardware, ability to boot many OSes, and finally, internal storage and finally playing Windows games. The reasons I'd go for the Mac Mini M1 is: need a computer that's stable and have actual work to do, dislike of messing with esoteric system configs, native OS support.

@josephd6823 7 месяцев назад

A 4,1 or 5,1 is a much, much better candidate for upgrade. The difference in CPU speed, single and multi, is enormous.

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

Oh I mention it 12:06

@frostanimate 7 месяцев назад

My film & tv teacher has a lot of these Mac’s in his office and I asked him for one, he actually gave me one.

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

Cool teacher, and welcome to the club. Great machine for someone who wants a more geeky experience with macOS

@jeffsims7386 7 месяцев назад

If that’s a 4,1 or 5,1 you don’t actually need registered memory. I ran regular 1333mhz in mine. Welp, Nevermind lol. I have the 5,1 with 6 core 12 thread Xeon. Heard you mention 3,1 a bit after commenting.

@cjeelde 3 месяца назад

Yeah Mac Pro 2006-2012 got SATA/300. Not SATA/600. So "all" SSDs will step down from 500-550 MB/s to 250-300 MB/s but it's so much faster than HDDs plus don't forget the IOPS performance.

@robertrada4783 7 месяцев назад

My 2009 won’t die. Probably won’t. Running nvme ssd, usb-c, and a fairly decent gpu.

@Pedro8k 7 месяцев назад

A great looking machine from back in the time when apple stood for quality and design great video

@sojab0on 7 месяцев назад

polaris and rx serries gpu need avx/avx 2 and the xeon cpus in de 2008 mac pro do not support this only the 4.1 and 5.1 mac pros have support for cpus that support it

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

None of the classic Mac Pros support AVX. That’s where the MontRand patch comes into play that’s bundled in OCLP. The Mac Pro 2013s support AVX but not AVX2. It’s why you need to flash the 6000 series GPUs regardless of the classic Mac Pro generation. You’re probably thinking of SSE. The drivers for the RX580 started requiring SSE4.1 which the Mac Pro 2008 doesn’t support but there’s a patch included in OCLP for that.

@Knudjensen54 7 месяцев назад

I tryed many times,I simply cant install this on my 2008 Mac Pro,it wont even use the files on it,only on my mini from 2014 will it work,but thats not the machine I want to install...

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

Have you checked out some of the mentioned RU-vid channels in this vid? There’s some good tutorials out there. My previous vid sorta covers how to install on a 3.1

@Knudjensen54 7 месяцев назад

I think I have looked all over the place,now I will try out Linux..@@dmug

@Knudjensen54 7 месяцев назад

Mine is a 3.11,there is a sign over the files I download,it wont read them..@@dmug

@Knudjensen54 7 месяцев назад

Yes I have,no one speak of what to do if the file cant be run,there is a sign that shows they wont work on the 2008 Mac Pro. I tryed to install Linux Ubuntu,but cant even figure out how to use the disk program,so no install....

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

@@Knudjensen54 I'd check MacRumors Forums, I haven't tried to install Linux on my Mac in probably 10+ years.

@ericjenks9596 7 месяцев назад

Therea known issue with oclp 1.1.0 and sonoma 14.1. This is likely what’s happening to you unfortunately. I would downgrade to Ventura for now, or find 14.0 to load on it.

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

In the vid I mention I was on 14.0 with OCLP 1.0 and 1.0.1

@cycledance 7 месяцев назад

I think it's a waste to upgrade computers we don't need. Also, the gpu was already plenty strong and upgraded, at 2TF.

@sonicmistress 7 месяцев назад

Who's 'we', speak for yourself not others, plenty of 08 Mac Pros being used daily....

@mehrdadcrypto6063 7 месяцев назад

tanks😐

@Eliasmc397 7 месяцев назад

I would restore it but mod it and make it a gaming pc

@NicolasGirls 7 месяцев назад

Radeon 5800?

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

Oh Jeeze, did I mess up and say fifty eight hundred at one point?

@apistosig4173 7 месяцев назад

Max Out the RAM, insert SSD and install Linux Mint - Awesome 😉

@flamingkillermc2806 7 месяцев назад

You know you sound very similar to another youtuber thetechspot? i would say 70% ish sounding

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

I have not heard that before. I checked him out. I can see the tonality part but I have my goofy PNW cadence that has me nearly sounding Canadian and he has a different one

@logannosleep5 7 месяцев назад

Probably would have performed even better under Linux. Pop OS isnt the lightest weight, but its by far one of my favorites. You should check it out sometime on that machine

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

There’ll be some Linux content for this machine in the near future and on another computer. There’s a lot of people wanting to see Linux on it. It does well enough in Windows and macOS, and I’ll certainly do a Mac vs Linux vs Windows shoot out.

@TighelanderII 7 месяцев назад

I put 128GBs of RAM in my 2009/10 for only $40.

@MyersJ2Original 7 месяцев назад

Phison, not poison controler...

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

Thanks. I think autocorrect got my script and didn't notice it.

@banks3388 7 месяцев назад

Short answer, no... Long answer, maybe...

@Djmaxofficial 7 месяцев назад

Is it worth spending 600€ on gpu than buy new mac 1000%

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

I addressed that at here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XaStlvmvluI.htmlfeature=shared&t=721 (link to time stamp)

@papi-tjulo 7 месяцев назад

Im running win11 on that thing

@JamesOversteer 7 месяцев назад

2008 is too far back, I was running an 09 for a long time using open core and some GPU I can’t remember. Sure I’ve got some videos on here of changing the CPUs from dual cores to quad cores. Love these old Mac Pros, such a beautiful design.

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

Agreed, but I’ve had this computer since 2008 so there’s a mild sentimental value and it’s the reason I wrote the Definitive Mac Pro upgrade guide. Plus, I do have a small use case for it as a box to mess around with and make videos about it.

@JamesOversteer 7 месяцев назад

@@dmugI’ve got you man, I just came across this video randomly. You’ve earned a sub for all that hard work.

@watrobkasmaczna1 7 месяцев назад

Afetr M1 hackintosh is pointless.

@davidcmcchesney 7 месяцев назад

Boot El Capitan & turn off sip

@hamfield518 7 месяцев назад

The mac mini does not support windows natively, for some people that's the main reason to go for intel macs, money well spend man, it's a shame you need to fuck with the software to make it work as it should.

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

Yeah, but sadly it's a dead end. I'll very much miss the Intel Mac era.

@stevejohnson1321 7 месяцев назад

Too bad these are still rather expensive, or I would buy one to run Debian.

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

Depends on where you are in the world and if you find them locally. I’ve seen them go frequently for $50 and under, sometimes free. Since they’re heavy as hell, eBay will never be the rock bottom pricing for them. If you hang out on the Facebook group, MacProUpgrade, sometime people post them for sale but being a global group, you have to be lucky to find one nearish.

@stevejohnson1321 7 месяцев назад

Even the systems with Power chip are somewhat expensive. I ended up with a dell 990 i7. That was under $120 U.S. shipped, and will probably be useful for awhile. Yeah I had been looking at ebay with local pickup. That was rather a dead-end, polluted with prices that were good five years ago!

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

@@stevejohnson1321 That's too bad.

@makerkarel2925 7 месяцев назад

Too bad the machine will use 500 watt at idle because of FBDIMMS and old CPU. LOL.

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

It’s quite a bit lower than that. I have a killawatt meter, and I think it idles at about 120w. But yes, Not great when compared to modern power efficient machines. The fully buffered ECC DIMMs idle at about 8w per module vs 4w for non fully buffered. The old cpu on the other hand… yeah… not good.

@gteixeira 7 месяцев назад

At this point a Raspberry Pi 5 is a faster computer than this.

@sinephase 7 месяцев назад

why anyone wants such a locked down system is beyond me

@logannosleep5 7 месяцев назад

These machines are great for triple booting, and can actually have dual 6 cores with the right "CPU tray" as in 2 physical xeon.... Also there is firmware mods that unlock them even more... Honestly it's a decent machine even in today's world.

@ladeluff_ 7 месяцев назад

But u see. This what i consider The Fun in «nerding» on a cheesegrater is all about. Solve problems😅

@macgamer1973 8 месяцев назад

sorry buddy Mac Pro 2008 is better pick. Silicon suck balls, no internal Massive Storage, can't remove anything internal. can't run older 32 and 64 bit games /Apps. can't downgrade to Older Mac OS . Modo 3D (MacOS 11.x (Big Sur), 12.x(Monterey) and 13.x (Ventura)* Windows 10 and 11 (64-bit only) Linux CentOS/RHEL 7.6-7.9 (64-bit)** *Modo 16.1 has been tested and validated on apple silicon hardware, running under Rosetta 2 emulation Other operating systems may work but have not been fully tested, please see release notes for details on libraries that will need to be installed. really Rosetta 2 emulation. Apple / Tim get to control what upgrades goings in your computer. What happen to the freedom to pick what upgrades you want for YOUR PERSONAL COMPUTER. You can Pick AMD, Nividia , Sonnettech,Newertech, etc. its funny a computers from my childhood (Commodore and Amiga) allow you to do every, while a modern computer don't do gaming well.

@andrupka8749 7 месяцев назад

wawa

@backstab86 7 месяцев назад

no.

@MezeiEugen День назад

The MX500 is als DRAM-less. And all DRAM-less SSDs are junk.

@dmug День назад

The BX500 is dramless, the mx500 has dram. People actually track the dram size on Reddit. The old revisions had more as I understand it but it’s still rocking DRAM www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/16r40ix/dram_sizes_on_newest_revision_crucial_mx500_sata/

@MezeiEugen День назад

@@dmug Thank you for this information.

@isiahfriedlander5559 7 месяцев назад

Install Linux and you have a 5+ years machine

@dmug 7 месяцев назад

And stuck with Linux 🙃 Don't worry, I'll be doing some Linux vids soon.

@isiahfriedlander5559 7 месяцев назад

@@dmug I have a 2009 iMac that wasn’t working with opencore “graphic card issue”, then I installed Linux Mint and it works flawlessly, using it everyday