Obsolete? Think Again - Keeping My Ageing Mac Pro Alive 

What's the premiere pro performance like?

Bro gpus Dont like bdsm

can i do all that with 2010 Tower?

How are you connecting the Apple Displays to your graphics cards? What cable/adapters?

Bro... you might get some better performance (other than hardware limitations) if you deep clean that case, repaste the CPUs, upgrade your storage speed (go for 7200rpm drives if they arent' already and keep in mind the NVMe will be limited by the PCIe lanes which are very few and not direct to CPU like modern motherboards. Additionally, the lack of airflow is ridiculous... the NVMe drives are SUBSTANTIALLY cutting off your GPU airflow which most likely causes it to thermal throttle which is most definitely affecting your editing times.

Fr! Poor gpu :(

Exactly

Rip

Lmao

there is pulse edition of sapphire that have better orientation on the aluminum on amd and also probably suggestively better build but yes poor design all for the look madness build lol should have probably gona whit reference design due to poor airflow

Do yo have any answers for my 2011 iMac I was wondering what I should do to it should I upgrade the components it has high Sierra and I’m stuck on it just like he is

Alright.

can i buy your old gpu?

You can upgrade anything Best Mac Pro 5,1

why cant you just swap around youre 2 drives in the pcie slots and give that gpu some air

Normal air has a risk of static. Not advised.

@@shivkokroo6180 The static resistances of modern electronics is far greater now, if you're using air to just blast fans, heatsinks etc there's virtually no risk. Having not done the maths, I would imagine its more likely for you to be struck by lightning than to have a component fail from static induced failure from using an air pump to blow dust away.

@@shivkokroo6180 for example In a recent test on Linus Tech Tips for example they literally had to put several amps of electric through DDR4 RAM before it failed in any way.

@@QuinchGaming it's the voltage that kills it. Static is on over-voltage condition. cmos junctions are still as susceptible to static as they were 20, 30 years ago.

@@meowcula please watch the video Linus Tech if you can. Yes, I mixed up voltage & ampage, I'm not an electrician but the miniscule chance of a miniscule voltage discharge from natural air is not enough to kill modern PC components. If you are working in a clean room environment on sensitive technical/medical/scientific electronic components... sure...but in a PC, that's already earthed (plugged in, but not powered) there is virtually no risk.

once i looked at this i started choking internaly

do you expect an apple fan to know how to build a computer? dont be fooled, hes gaga for apple and only pretends to be pro-repair or whatever because ifixit gives him $$$$ to advertize there products.

@@ps5hasnogames55 just cause he repairs apple products it doesn’t mean he’s an apple fan also, he probably does know how to build a pc

@@ps5hasnogames55 coming from somebody who still participates in the 'console wars' bullshit

@@ps5hasnogames55 That was crude an unnecessary.

Long live Hugh lol

hahahahahahahahahaha

Include Louis Rossman ;)

Hitman

We should actually say how do we get rid of Apple constant programmed obsolescence...

more like Dosdude with the "how 'bout no". the legend's been saving outdated mac's since Sierra

Yeah i bet the thermal paste has long since dried up and the fans inside the heatsinks are probably completely full of dust.

That dry and crusty paste is begging to be reapplied

@@jugotocks Yeah the thermal paste is probably dryed out but. There are no fans inside the heatsinks. They are passiv xD

It's got 2 CPU's also he mentioned he upgraded them, which would mean that the thermal paste can't be that old.

@@markusgotz1237 No it uses the case fans to blow air straight into the heatsinks so it's not at all passive, just the fans are mounted to the heatsink

Also apparently you shouldn't vacuum a PC since it causes a build-up of static electricity

@@Itsoof478 I guess we can’t *succ* a computer

Best investment you will ever make. I have been using one for years on clients computers - used properly, they do an incredible job without issue.

@@martin_green Can vouch for that. It's even useful in household scenarios, not just computer-related

@@AndreySavin I couldn't agree more. I use it to clean out everything ... radiators, electronics, the car and all those places you can't reach. Water-free (unlike compressors) and much more powerful and enviro friendly than canned air.

I second this

I third this

They definitely need to work together.

This isn’t right to repair. Thats allowing people to get schematics and components to keep their devices running, not just change things when tech advances. Even Louis has talked about this.

Ifix it CEO says otherwise

Definitely and also all other compounds surrounding it as well.

Well id have thought you would hear the fans if it was overheating?

Fr. I'm using a GT 630.

@@wilkgr upgrade, i used to use a gt 640. IT WAS H O R R I B L E. i have a 1050 ti now that i got last year.

@@YitocukKilic I plan to. My PC also has a 128GB ssd, which also needs to be upgraded at some point haha

@@wilkgr Why would you need to upgrade, unless it just contains your operating system there's no need.

@@tyronenelson9124 I'm running out of space on it. I don't have space for my steam library.

7:06 In the menu bar you can see my CPU's run around 33-44 degrees. No need to change the thermal paste. As for the GPU, most PC's have the slot on the other side to the card faces the other way but this design doesn't allow for that. Although one fan is completely exposed the over is mostly covered, there is a slight gap for airflow but it doesn't concern me, the majority of the time the fans are not even running on the card unless its under a big load. I edited for 9hrs straight on the computer and I could touch the heatsink and it wasn't even hot.

@Nramanoodles It would work, as the 4,1 is nearly identical to the 5,1.

@@HughJeffreys that means it's not even being used. Why upgrade in the first place, lol

@@lopwidth7343 did you watch the video? Mac OS Catalina doesn’t support his old card.

@@HughJeffreys For someone who is all about extending a products life span it's strange that you're ignoring all the feedback. The VRM and VRAM on the card will need airflow, even if the GPU Core itself is cool. The same goes for the components on the motherboard, which are caked in dust. You are actively shortening the life span of this computer with negligence. For electronics, heat is always a killer and this card will cook itself.

Hugh secretly loves Apple like all gay boys do. Hes just propagandist for Ifixit because they give him money and sponsorships. LOL. he can't even build a computer correctly, look at how we wedged that graphics card into the machine choking all its airflow.

@@ps5hasnogames55 lmao what?

@@ps5hasnogames55 pfp checks out

@@Stangobango hold tf up, who do you just say use samsung are "gay people"?

@@ps5hasnogames55 bruh

Underrated comment. I mean, it's cool you can do this, but it's seriously cost prohibitive if you plan on doing this as a regular human for regular tasks. Just go buy a used PC off Facebook and you'll probably be happier with the performance. It's really just a labor of love for the old Macs.

@@mikehall3976 can confirm, i have an old iBook G3 and it was a pain finding all the software to get it going again

@@lands1459 I had a PowerBook G4 as well. The little 12". Shame it fell into my hands well after it's useful life was over, because I bet a laptop that powerful and small would've been absolutely wonderful to own back in the day. However these days it can word process and not much else. I don't really regret selling it.

@@mikehall3976 I carried a 12" PowerBook G4 for years motorcycle touring, until I replaced it with a lighter MacBook Air. What I miss the most is the keyboard - perfectly cupped keys allowed my fastest typing speed ever. I also liked the removable battery, which I had to replace after six years of use. I used it as a CD player/alarm clock/internet radio for awhile after that, but now it just sits in a drawer in all its beat-up glory.

@@mikehall3976 Sure, but it's about keeping a product going for much longer than the manufacturer intended.

A lot of people, who assume they are clever but are unfortunately just ignorant, are quick to blame lots of things on planned obsolescence. Much of the time other rational explanations are more likely. But in this case, it's definitely a conscious decision to drop support for a platform. Now, I guess I can't really blame a company for ending support on a 10-year-old platform. That's well past the expected life cycle for a computer, and supporting old hardware definitely has tangible costs, so it's a defensible decision. But, Moore retired quite a while ago, and aside from the efficiency concerns, the 2009/2010 Mac Pros are still viable computers for a lot of things, so it's a shame that Apple has not merely given up supporting them, but actively blocked new OSes from installing, and new software from running on older OSes. I honestly don't believe it's entirely a ploy to get people to buy new computers. After all, I'm sure many people who had or have one of these would still buy something newer -- and perhaps just use both. (I do/did.) I think it has more to do with the complexity of ensuring software compatibility on older hardware that somebody would have to maintain for testing and QA, and interoperability with older OSes. Since _most_ people would have moved on, it's an increasing level of effort with decreasing return on investment. It doesn't make financial sense, so it would have to be something done for the sake of it. That's the antithesis of running lean and mean. Still a shame.

@@nickwallette6201 So you’re calling anyone who believes in planned obsolescence ignorant? I’m not entirely sure people want to buy a new dishwasher or washing machine every time theirs break down. Repairs are usually more expensive than replacing the product, so you tell me that companies are doing it because that’s what people want! Never mind the environmental footprint. The main aim of any business is to make a profit. Just remember that.

@@Andy2x4 No, that isn't what I'm saying at all, actually. I'm saying that sometimes things break, and sometimes mistakes are made, sometimes engineering choices are daft out of sheer incompetence. Not all of those cases were conscious decisions to design a product to fail, but I think in a lot of cases, people are so loathe to be taken for a fool that their first instinct is assume malice against them. I think your assessment of THIS was spot on. Apple drew an arbitrary line in the sand and called the hardware obsolete, when in fact it's perfectly good. I also believe people should have the right to repair. BUT... I think we all need to consider the costs of that right, and make reasonable, informed decisions on what _is_ and what _isn't_ blatant disregard for consumer rights and environmental impact. While the Mac Pro 2010 is obsolete, it is still viable. At the same time, I don't expect Apple to maintain stock of spare parts for a computer they haven't produced in 10 years. I don't expect them to spend hundreds of hours testing software and drivers for compatibility. I would, however, like them to take a "best effort" stance on it, though. That is, don't block the ability for later OSes to install, and make available the drivers -- untested and without warranty, if needs be ... or just allow nVidia / AMD to call the shots on whether to support it. I.e., I'm willing to let it die from attrition or old age, but not because somebody says its time has come.

@@Andy2x4 I equate people who plant their flag on the hill of planned obsolescence to flat earther luddites.

@Oscar membreno andrade i dont read comments, sorry.

@@flibi1 cold 😂😂😂😂😂

something bad might happen

well Hugh is a gay boy.

@@ps5hasnogames55 no u are

The graphics cards in these machines sits at the bottom as that is the fastest x16 slot in the computer made specifically for graphics cards, but like Hugh said, it really doesn't overheat. Mine doesn't either.

Running Big Sur patcher on 2011 iMac. No issues.

I know right. I have a Late 2009, 21,5 inch iMac running Big Sur with OCL. Runs amazing with a 500GB SSD and 16GB of RAM.

Дмитрий, где это взять?

Wow!

Opencore 0.9.4 Martin lo config will get you Monterey and with the syncretic hack a AMD 6800 GPU … truly the best Mac ever made

Also use a Sonnettech USB-C 3.2 PCI card and use a 4 bay USB-C 3.2 and 3.5” spinner drives in Raid 5 …fast faster than internal bays .. use the 6 internal bays for backup and archive storage

Probably wouldn’t happen because Linus is in Canada and he’s in Australia

@@xdkfpjacob It would have to wait until post covid. My understanding is Australia is a bit more behind, but Canada is opening international travel as open as September.

Me here vibing with my i3 core and 4gb ram

Uh nope. Mine usually pulls about 350 watts under extreme load. I have a 5700xt in it as well.

@@gregthompson7793 do you also have the x5690s?

Its actually fine, despite initial looks. Some people have popped two GPU's in and its fine. The front to back fan setup works really well and the mesh design does help a lot. The cringe for me is the dust. That's got the look of a floor pc use dust condition 😬

Yeah, 69 sounds pretty good!

nice

*n o i c e*

pretty sure its a Garmin watch

It’s a fitbit

@@YeOldeGeezer there are round fitbits?

@@flibi1 I doubt it lol just trying to add to the Monotony

it's a samsung galaxy watch active 2

How hard is it to do this? I'd like to get my 5,1 onto Catalina

He probably listed it on his online store, and if he did its probably already gone. The link is in the description.

I wonder if a mac flashed gpu would work on a regular pc

@@user-vo3ps2oz7h It would work perfectly fine.

Ikr, that GPU is going to run HOT in there. He should just get a PC and hackintosh it.

I scrolled a little for this comment :D

They kinda still do. The 2019 Mac Pro is more like the 5,1.

But paired components to their boards

Because you can create static electricity when using those.