Is JToH Really Harder Than Geometry Dash? 

Who started this debate, playing gd and jtoh are completely different

jtoh youtuber says that jtoh is harder than geometry dash. shocker. 1. gd‘s players have had far more time to push the skill ceiling. it also has a bigger community, so naturally, the progression of the skill ceiling is considerably faster than jtoh’s. 2. the complexity of inputs doesn’t matter; the difficulty of inputs does. gd is in abundance of the latter. this point only stands for beginners.

never played jtoh so i might not understand but if your hardest is only a hard demon i dont think you have gotten a full taste of the difficulty

literally speaking, both are as hard as you want them to be

neither one is harder because they require different skillsets but in terms of how good the top players are then gd is harder because it has a bigger community and it's been around for 11 years while jtoh has only existed for 6 years

My personal opinion: Gd is harder, because it may have simple controls, but... If you play any demon in the game, you just rush through it. And heres my counter on JTOH. Though JTOH may have very VERY hard and precise jumps, but in gd.. there are some demon levels with NO BREAKS or a short break. The difference is that in JTOH, you can rest on a platform and afk for a while, but in GD, while you can pause in a very hard level, unpausing it and playing the level again will absolutely ruin your consistency..

Geometry Dash: Press a single input in a 4.2ms time frame, and then do the same another 50 times while also dealing with nerve control and an inability to properly pause.

top 900 gd player here. If your hardest is actually Crazy then you literally cannot comprehend in your mind the difficulty of levels in the top 10. I haven't played jtoh much so I'm not going to make a judgement on which is harder but you are the opposite of reliable if your hardest is a hard demon. A single input in Tidal Wave is harder than the hardest level you've beaten.

5:04 this is super incorrect lol the easiest extreme demons are the equivalent of like insane. Saying "i beat an extreme demon" does not give the bragging rights it used to, as the easiest extreme demons are probably closer in actual difficulty to easy demons than they are to the hardest extreme demons. 6:05 also you are a bajillion times better at jtoh than gd 5:24 Also in the debate of what the hardest platforming game is, iwbtg fangames could be a contender

The skill ceiling for gd is much higher than JToH.

if you only beat a hard demon after playing gd for years than of course you think jtoh is harder

"extreme demons take weeks" i dont think so only if the extreme demon is really easy and you're very good gd player

If we look at the top 1s, I think the top players generally agree that Tidal Wave is harder than CoIV. But I think JToH is: - harder to learn because of how many intricacies Roblox physics has - harder potential skill ceiling because of more controls and how limitless Roblox Studio is - harder controls because it has 6 digital inputs AND an analog input (camera) whereas GD only has 1 digital input (or 2 if you're playing codependence) - longer levels by far On the other hand, GD is: - harder levels because the community has had more time to push the skill ceiling - more punishing (sometimes. towers like ToTRP have the same punishment as GD) - able to have more precise timings due to only having 1 button In conclusion, I think GD is harder, but only because they've had more time to push the skill ceiling. If we ignore top 1s and just look at the games as a whole, I think it's JToH

And both of them have copyright issues :D /hj

beating a hard demon isnt enough buddy, the difference between stereo madness and nine circles is smaller than the difference between nine circles and sakupen circles

i love how the comment section is just half gd sweats without ever playing jtoh because they think this is an argument just typing an non challant thing with ponctuation saying that this video is wrong with only "oh gd has 30432 frame perfects" (im not offending anyone i also sweat at gd lmao) AND THE TRUTH IS: both are as hard as the other one the skill ceiling for both of these games can theoretically go up to infinity and its not "both are different games" its talking about difficulty, they may be different, but he is talking about difficulty PLAYING THEM are different, but its the difficulty calm down also gd is more punishing than jtoh, the punishment for hitting is resetting the entire level, but they are both equally as hard this is not a nargument, both of them are equally as hard one is a roblox game dosent mean it automatically becomes easier jtoh has frame perfects and complexity just like gd and yes im YAPPIN FOR 132013012 paragraphs because im sick of people dropping 5 words with ponctuation while offending the person without putting any argument one guy even said "gd has ones with 192943912492 attemps, shut up." like mf JTOH ALSO HAS THAT??? I LOVE GEOMETRY DASH AND JTOH THEY ARE BOTH AS HARD AS THE OTHER and yes, im writing a bible because i have nothing better to right now do and i want to prove an point and when i say i have nothing better to do, i mean it. this is easily the biggest comment on the entire video also PLAYING GD AND JTOH ARE ALMOST COMPLETLY DIFFERENT, NOT "COMPLETLY DIFFERENT" THEY HAVE THEIR GOALS, THEIR HAVE THEIR PUNISHMENT and you ARE READING ALLHAT. (you dont have to) edit: coming in to compliment the video ver ywell edited very awsom have a cookie

Depends on the difficulty, just limiting to jtoh is not really that much but if you take something like "Tower of existential crisis" doing that legit would be harder than any beaten level and would stay that way likely forever.

I don't think one could be harder than the other. Both communities continue to grow, and as they grow, they beat harder levels/towers. And that only causes people to create even harder ones. There is no true limit on how hard it could go, unless you make something that is humanly impossible, such as TON 618 in gd. But nevertheless, you can't say one is harder than the other, as they both will continue to grow in difficulty. Geometry Dash could be said as harder, but that would be because the game has had more time to develop. Both have their own advantage that makes one harder than the other. JTOH might have more complicated controls, but pausing in Geometry Dash usually ruins your consistency. Although I am more of a gd player myself, I have played through JTOH as well. Both games are quite challenging and fun to play though!

Very well produced video but there are some things I want to say You pretty much say JToH is just harder to get used to which i agree with to an extent. JToH in retrospect is not a very polished game to say the least with shitty roblox physics and bugs aswell. The game is very simple though if we exclude co's its just ju,ping around a tower, and co's are not that hard to learn and get used to due to the amount of co's there are. You also argue that you have to press the keys for a certain amount of time and which ones to press in a short time period, you say that doesnt really apply to gd. Nonetheless JToH is still a very hard game. Geometry dash on the other hand, your claim is that geometry dash is just a very simple game just because it has one input and you can get used to the physics. Its really not that simple deeper down if we take into account all the mechanics such as all the gamemodes, speed and size its really not that simple and probably more complicated than JToH. In geometry dash just because it is a single input doesnt mean there isn't drawbacks like physics bugs etc. In an extreme demon there are many very precise clicks, speed changes and other things you need to adapt to, you pretty much have to learn a good way to do every click its not just clicking whenever you see the icon about to touch a spike, and like you said in JToH you need to know when to do the inputs, and how long to do the inputs this is also true in gd and is one of the big aspects that makes this game so hard. No hate but coming from someone whos hardest is crazy i dont think are qualified to make these statements when there are other way better people that have spent hundreds and thousands of hours into just one level. Yet again, no hate and good video :)

great video! but here is my opinion on it: I still think geometry dash is harder than jtoh just because my right arm really doesnt have the best timing capabilities like my left hand, and also just because the controls in this game is a tad bit more weird, especially the copter thing, i really hate that so much. but I do think both games are fun in their own ways, and they are both difficult in their ways, i do respect your opinion on it, but I do choose geometry dash just because I did start jtoh earlier and the fact geometry dash just can be really annoying at times (just like jtoh).

6:04 being able to beat CraZy is not being “Really Good” at geometry dash

i've always thought of jtoh to be significantly harder. when i think of this debate, (to be fair i never knew there was a debate, only thought of the comparison) i tend to think of the potential limits in difficulty. i feel this argument isn't too difficult to establish as jtoh having more inputs makes the hardest physically possibly obby to be harder than geometry dash's hardest physically possibly level. geometry dash - you can practically beat any level through practice mode (assuming you have the patience, and if you would like to slow the game down using megahack), as there is only one input we could represent it with binary as 1 meaning click, 0 meaning no click, and the seperation being an input of time (for example a level could be completed as 00011001000 etc.) jtoh - no matter how much time you have, how much you slow the game, it can still be complex as you need to know the right angle, and you have to simultaneously time DIFFERENT inputs, and there are many glitches, as well as there being very complex physics and gameplay styles - (such as trusses, wallhops, ledges, long jumps,etc.) this is just my opinion, correct me if i'm wrong or smth idk (i think i yapped a bit)

personally, GD is harder. both games have no limit, but in jtoh, you can take a break, resting on a platform to gain motivation or to calculate what to do. In gd, you cannot pause in certain parts of the level, and you can only pause during a long transition or an auto part. Some demons are unsightreadable, meaning you can’t see the gameplay. Tidal wave, for example, is fast paced, so imputs are harder to ig put. Also, I haven’t seen any jtoh player wth a heart rate thing, but player have gotten +210 bps, which shows how hard the level is. Additionally, frame perfects, (precise clicks where you only have one frame to click) are not in any jtoh lvls (at least what I know) AND are incredibly hard and messing up 1 can mess you up BADLY, like in slaughterhouse. luck is another important part in gd, as shown in flukes. sometimes you can get past 90 but die before 100, and that can be purely luck, like spamming randomly. once you die, not only will you ragequit and maybe destroy something, but you may never get there again, making you lose motivation and drop the level. Reactions of Beating levels can show just how hard gd is, for example npestas famous reaction of finally verifiying kenos, and knobbelboy’s verification of bloodlust, after a an unexplainable painful and unlucky death it the last straightfly(98%). Gd may be hard, but there may be games harder than both gd and jtoh, even though gd is still really hard and ragequitting.

Amazing vid, underrated channel. Would say gd is harder but that's probably cause I'm a gd RU-vid. (This is my alt btw, so no vids here.)

very banger video, and though i disagree with you somewhat, this introduced points that do make jtoh seem harder in some circumstances. (currently, my hardest in gd is cytokinesis (top ~700) and my hardest in jtoh is cosr, while going for todt, so take my opinion with a grain of salt. that said ive only been playing jtoh since july 27 and i was already able to make this much progress, so-) first, i think that the maximum difficulty of gd is laughably higher than that of jtoh. gds impossible levels have never ceased to blow my mind, having levels that are longer than the expected length of the universe while also having a horribly high cps (clicks per second). a good example is nessus, which needs 537603333333 cps for a number of seconds so long i cant fit it into the comment (it has over 10k digits). second, in the last part of the video where you were actually comparing jtoh to gd, you mentioned that jtoh is more punishing than gd… what lol. everything in gd is instakill. at least you can generally save yourself in jtoh towers. (that said i dont think punishment is that big of a factor tbh.) i also noticed, in the same section of the video i mentioned just now, you said jtoh was generally more complex than gd. i couldnt agree more, however whether something being complex makes it harder is entirely dependent on what the players skillset is. gd would probably be made easier for people that gain skill quickly, and vice versa for jtoh. besides, gd isnt necessarily a 1 key game.. it includes a 2 player mode. this changes the dual section of every dual in levels that have 2 player mode enabled, by making one dual icon controlled by one key, and the other dual icon controlled by the other. codependence is a top 8 extreme demon on the demonlist right now (that is if you beat it by yourself haha) and all of its difficulty comes from the 2 player duals running throughout its majority. not to mention platformer mode, which, funnily enough, makes gd a 6k game if you enable 2 player mode at the same time as platformer mode. however, i will say that these extra keys are much rarer in gd than they are in jtoh, so i would say gd is generally simpler. going off of that, one point that you made that honestly was pretty eye opening, and one that im kinda mad at myself for not thinking before, is that while gd does have tighter timings, it still is significantly less complex than jtoh in most areas, so it kinda makes up for the raw skill in a way. idk what to say about your point that jtoh is more learny than gd. it barely took me any time to get used to personally. if you just dint try to jump too far in difficulty and you pick the right towers, youll be set tbh again my hardest is like a mid rem, dont take my opinion too seriously (as with really any opinion). on top of that, like you said at the end of the video, a lot of it comes down to what kind of gameplay youre good at in general. good video :3

gd is harder

For me JToH has always been harder due to it seemingly being harder to practice (hear me out). On GD if I want to practice a level of any difficulty, I can usually download a copy of the level I want in about 10 seconds and then place my startposes. But on JToH, I've found that at least for my skill level, my only options for practice are vertical mobility or searching for hours to find a practice place or a copy of the tower when those seem to only be common for the upper tier towers, and if I can't find a practice place or any models I can copy into studio, or even the original uncopylocked tower place to bring into studio, I'm just stuck with brute forcing the tower until I eventually get it. Practice on GD just feels more streamlined and accessible for all difficulty levels. And in general, practicing a level to get good at it is going to be easier than brute forcing a tower to get good at it (though, once again, practice does seem to become more accessible as you go to higher difficulties). But maybe a steeper learning curve does not automatically make JToH harder? There are all sorts of different ways to look at these types of things. In the end, I look at difficulty by how easy or hard it is to get better at each respective game, rather than what the peaks of their playerbases currently are. yapfest over

Bro I used to be very good at Minecraft, ok so I knew all of the controls when I played jtoh for the first time and then the game was just to easy until I played gd where I had no knowledge and struggling on stereo so I think that gd is harder but it depends what you have played previously.

brother in Christ ToCP is NOT harder then Tidal Wave... 😥

5:21 "At least a week of grinding to complete" Vortrox: are you sure about that uhh

have you even SEEN some of the harder levels in GD? someone spent over 200 hours alone playing one level and only has 68%. someone else has spent 2 MILLION attempts on the current top 1 and only has 33%. I can see that jtoh is super hard and i honestly want to give it a try now, but it isnt even a competition when it comes to pure skill

as someone who's gotten extremely good at both games in an extremely fast time (at least to my standards, aka less than 2 years on each) (hardest: ToGF or ToAM in 2022 and AKIRA by Eridani) i think GD is way harder because of it being so precise, even though its easy to learn stuff like list levels are absurdly hard and someone who hasnt played it probably couldnt beat it in practice mode i know you siad you're assuming they havent played before but even with that they could probably figure it out even with arrow keys (although they are harder than wasd) it still is more simple and easier jower's length makes the towers have objectively easier gameplay, but a tower's length can vary SIGNIFICANTLY, from just a few minutes to multiple hours. gd on the other hand, has levels that are usually only 1-3 minutes (with very few exceptions) still good video and i can see why you find jtoh harder, but i think gd is harder

Codependence litteraly waiting for the mention 🗿

As someone who plays both games, Geometry dash is harder. I feel like JTOH has an extremely high skill ceiling, however Geometry dash just purely has more difficulty potential. From frame perfects to stupid unnecessary straight fly sections GD not only has levels that take longer to beat than JTOH towers (for the most part) but more people who play the game, which causes a lot more crazy people to make harder and harder levels.

You know, gd can juat remake jtoh then gd would harder than it, idk just giving aome random idea that come out my head :/

6:18 that is so so so wrong oh my god people can see wayyy more frames than that, and it depends on whatever they're seeing probably around 200-500 fps from personal experience, when i switched from a 60 fps device to a 120 fps one, i IMMEDIATELY noticed a big difference

Gd got platformer mode in 2.2 so you can technically make JToH in geometry dash ultimately making geometry dash harder.

Here's my two cents on geometry dash equivalents to jtoh difficulties. any of my friends would hear me yapping about this theory for ages. Auto - Auto Easy - Walk a Slope Normal 2* and 3* - Effortless Hard 4* and 5* - Easier than easy Harder 6* and 7* - Easy and Medium Insane 7* and 8* - Hard Easy demon - Difficult Medium demon - Challenging Hard demon - Intense Insane demon - Remorseless Extreme demon - Subdivided between soulcrushings. Insane would be somewhere from Acu to Glide difficulty (pretty easy extreme), Extreme would be Bloodbath to Killbot (Quite the challenge for any player), Terri would be Digital Descent to Kowareta (almost list demon difficulty, insanely hard), Cata is ouroboros to crimson planet (the whole extended list, which is placements #75-150) horrific is cold sweat to limbo (borderline impossible, placements 23-75 on the demonlist), Unreal which would be from Combustion to Tidal wave (the hardest completed levels), and Nil which would represent any uncompleted/unverified top 1s, which are literally impossible as of now (Grief, Aeternus, INJURY, The human limit.) I chose these rankings as there are more extreme demons that span a broad range of difficulty. i see a soulcrushing difficulty equal to an extreme demon. EDIT: just so yall can confirm my credibility im gon say ive beaten 21 extreme demons, spanning the jtoh equivalents of Insane, Extreme, Terrifying, and Cata (my hardest was on the list at the time of completion) and i am currently going for the number 8 demon slaughterhouse.

Now my hardest tower is ToIM but my hardest gd level is Extreme Park so most of this is observation of others GD will be harder, for 3 reasons 1. The community is bigger 2. The levels are orders of magnitude shorter than towers so there's less room to fail 3. There's less focus around easy levels These 3 reasons are why the skill ceiling of GD moves much faster than of JToH If a game's community is bigger, there's statistically more people who are going to push the skill ceiling which is why in GD theres like 50 best players ever while in JToH there's only like 3. If a level or tower is short, it's gonna take less time for each attempt, leaving room for more and more attempts to be done and for the skill ceiling to be pushed. If a level or tower is long, it's gonna take more time for each attempt, making less and less attempts per day. Most GD levels are like 1.5-3 minutes while JToH towers are usually 10-90 minutes. Even if the length makes it harder and sometimes more fun, you will only be able to do a few attempts per day. Another thing to note, is that GD has much more punishment than JToH, where if you crash anywhere in the level back to 0% you go, but in JToH if you fall, you might be able to save yourself on a platform below. Although, this isn't true for descending towers like ToFaF where if you fall, assuming there is no safety net, you do have to start over. The third and final reason is a bit complicated, and so i dont want to say it *grilling* i just want to publish a comment for gods sake In conclusion; at the current rate things are going, GD will always be harder but if JToH: 1. gets a surge in popularity (which Purgatorio might help bring); 2. towers get shorter (like Ikea Tower is the only verified unreal tower to not bank off length); 3. difficulty curves are adjusted to make SC towers accessible and 4. SC(+)s are much more encouraged, JToH has the potential to get miles harder than GD.

I haven't played jtoh (and im very bad at gd lol) but imo, if we r talking about difficulty ceiling in theory we cant compare games that have custom levels cuz can be as hard as people want them to be, but if we r talking about the CURRENT difficulty then i think that gd takes the point (people have been getting better for a LONG time so that's probably why) Anyways. The video was great!!

Both are extremely difficult in their own ways, but their difficulty is defined by different types of skills. Bro is comparing 2d focused on fast-paced reaction-based challenges to a 3d in terms of endurance, patience, and 3D.

In platformer mode you there is three imputs, and can go up to six imputs with dual mode. AND there is someone trying to recreate JToH in Geometry Dash... there is also another contender for being the hardest platformer game if you include mods, that one being Celeste... wich can be inhumanly difficult if you count the mods and levels the fans are making. But these games are completely different from one another, it dosen't make sense to me to try to debate wich one is harder.

so GD and JTOH are like Minecraft and Terraria in terms of simiralities? 2:10 also Steeple of Begginer's Journey :)

The beginning stages of gd are definitely easier than the beginning stages of jtoh simply because the main levels are inherently easy but I think once you get to the extreme demon range,gd (for most people) becomes harder than jtoh. And it makes total sense too. There are levels so hard that they have taken over multiple years to be verified just to be nerfed (like silent clubstep) another aspect of gd that it has over jtoh is that unlike other traditional platformers,there is zero time to rest after clearing a hard section of a level (unless you pause) and even then,it’s hard to regain focus after trying to calm down from the nerves ,there is just no room for error,however both games have entirely different physics and mechanics to one another so we can’t accurately compare both games to each other (hence why there is a separate list from the pointercrate demon list that is meant specifically for ranking platformers) They are simply not comparable to each other. At least not accurately though. For the average person,assuming they stick around for multiple years,I think they would find gd to be harder than jtoh.

Isnt gd like known as the hardest reaction timing game . _ . Also platformer mode has made the game even harder

basically your trying to debate if a multiple input mastering game is harder then an accuracy and clicking based game which i can say is highly unfair

Both games are as hard as the player wants it to be. Which means both games are just as hard as another. Jtoh isn’t harder than gd, gd isn’t harder than jtoh.

theoratically, if the best player in gd took 50k attempts to beat the hardest level, its probably harder lets be real

I hate how your correct, and how I also would agree. I'm a smaıı part of the gd community, and serve no purpose in JToH. I've seen alot of compilations of people soing some really hard jumps, and compared to geometry dash?? Do I even need to say. Anyways when you were comparing the two, I was stumbled on complexity, until you said JToH has 6 main keys you need to press. Edit: I see people talking about impossible levels, but that's just barely even valuable to this arguement. They are not possible and will most unlikely be possible in the future. Impossible levels are literally a thing in every creating community. You think you can beat nessus? No, so don't bring it to the arguement

You said geometry dash with dash level haha funny sigma move

aight so as someone who has a lot of skill in jtoh and has some knowledge in gd, it really just depends on what you mean by hardest. if you mean which one is just harder in general, its obviously jtoh. theres just more inputs and far more obby mechanics and glitches that make it far harder than gd. if you mean which one has the hardest thing beaten, its gd. coiv is top 80 according to cvrro (a victor of coiv and a good gd player) so yeah, thats obviously easier than tidal wave. edit: actually i cant find where i got this cvrro opinion from but im 90% sure i heard it from somewhere

I definitely think GD is much harder than JToH for a multitude of reasons, my first reason is that there are a lot of gamemodes in GD so you need to learn the controls and physics for each gamemode, with some of them being easy to learn, like the cube, spider, and wave, but some can be very difficult to learn like the swingcopter, ship and robot. Another reason I think GD is harder is multiplayer levels such as duelo maetro, or codependance, those types of levels usually are played by one person, so it brings the controls from one to two, the physics also change depending on if it is in dual or regular which would also make the levels a lot harder. Another aspect of the game that is very difficult are the challenges, like VSC, Flutterwonder, or The Third Varient, with the third varient you have to do 20 360 fps frame perfects in a row then you have do other frame perfects, challenges are u=just much shorter than regualar levels and levels like vsc are compared to being around the same difficulty of acheron and tidal wave.

Hello What’s your fav and least fav tower you’ve beat

Two million attempts. On a single level. Shut up.

STOP COMPARING TOTALLY DIFFERENT GAMES

You should cover the impossible levels in both games would like to see a jtoh level campare to nessus the hardest thing of made in gd :)

Save this man from the gd community

just bcs the skill ceiling hasnt been pushed far enough in jtoh yet doesnt mean its easier, cov is way harder than tidal wave and would take YEARS to even come close to beating, yet gd can only make longer and longer levels with frame perfect imputs, theres gonna be a time where levels just get too long to play and jtoh could still have pixel perfect jumps that nobody can ever beat, TLDR: jtoh has a higher skill ceiling than gd.

For me, I think gd is a lot harder. I get your point but I don’t really understand why you show old videos of gd because the skill ceiling has grown like a lot since those levels. Literally like 4 people have beaten Avernus, and it’s the 4th hardest level. And people can make a really unenjoyable level that’s just frame perfects that lasts 100 hours. I dunno, I just think gd is harder

What about in terms of humanly impossible levels? Levels that can’t be legitimately beaten by a human, but could be done with a macro? Levels on the ILL or SLL, could they stand up to what could be done on JTOH?

JToH is forgiving, doesn't require frame perfects and it's a fodian game, Geometry Dash isn't. in JToH If you fall you can "save" yourself by landing on a platform, if you get hit you don't die instantly and you have much more control over the player. This isn't even a fair comparison, there are many games that have potential to be harder than GD, those being: Osu, N++, Modded Celeste, adofai. And probably many more. I'm not in the Jtoh community but i doubt that any map took someone more than 2 weeks and hundreds of thousands attempts to "verify" If in Jtoh, every bit of damage you took, every wall you hit, every time you stopped, caused you to start from the beginning then imo it could be comparable or even harder than GD

Oh well it varies from person to person so fore some ppl jtoh is harder and for others its gd

If you focus on the hardest beaten levels of both then gd is harder

I have 35 extreme demons in gd I think jtoh is harder and my hardest in jtoh is only cols lol, jtoh is actually fucking impossible istg

*a week of grinding to complete?* my first demon main level was clubstep, and it took a whole 3 weeks to beat with 7k atts. obviously it's still within range of a week but it's barely an medium demon. we are talking about EXTREME demons, and some took YEARS to verify, like Sonic Wave, Bloodlust, between many more. also as someone else pointed out, jtoh isn't as punishing because you can somewhat save yourself. if you die at 99% in geometry dash you can't do anything but restart and try again. also, jtoh although more complex than geometry dash, doesn't have nearly pixel and frame perfects as geometry dash levels, and also you can rest a lot in jtoh because every jump you make you can go away a bit relax drink some water, but instead in GD unless the level has a little pause you can't. this is because pausing will ruin your consistency and will make you die.

Aeternus: Grief: Ascension To Heaven: Tidal Wave: Slaughterhouse:

now we need to talk about platformer demons vs jtoh go ahead ill wait

I am the new RU-vidr: Which game is better? Geometry Dash or JToH? We will divide them into subcategories and see for ourselves. How good is the easiest level?: Starting with JToH, the easiest tower would be MAT, located in Ring 2. For beginners, it would br ToAST located in Ring 1 or ToZD located in Zone 1. MAT has nothing at all, so now we would start with ToAST. It works fine as a tutorial tower and has a nice gradient. It gives a nice understanding of more advanced Roblox physics and a few glitches. ToZD is more complicated but better than ToAST. The tower expects you to play ToAST first though, so I will skip on explaining it into further detail. For Geometry Dash, it would be Stereo Madness or ReTRaY. I won't go info ReTRaY because it is a custom level by DiMaViKuLoV26, so it technically doesn't count. So we are left with Stereo Madness, the first level of the game. Similar to JToH, it gives you a nice understanding of the game's physics. Although, some parts don't work well as a first level, such as the two triple spikes past 60 percent. JToH would be better for the easiest level in this case. How good is the hardest level?: JToH has CoIV as it's hardest tower, at the highest difficulty, Unreal. Although ToSF still exists at high Unreal, no one has beaten it yet which makes it technically not the hardest level. GD has Tidal Wave by OniLinkGD as it's hardest, at #1 on the Demonlist. It is verified by Zoink. CoIV is very creative, having a rainbow floor, and a RoBeats and Colorful Stage kind of rhythm game. Although it is hard, the difficulty is Unreal. Overall one of the best towers in the game. Tidal Wave also has some good creativity, with good design and good backgrounds. So, in my opinion, Tidal Wave is better. How good are the more popular RU-vidrs?: Both games has a handful of RU-vidrs, so I will list down the more popular ones. JToH RU-vidrs: RealAheeto: Entertainment Ademiere: Guides ViloLand Omega: Entertainment CRP: Entertainment and guides Skitsuna: Completions Geometry Dash: Wulzy: Entertainment Juniper: Entertainment GD Colon: Advice EricVanWilderman: Entertainment Vortrox: Entertainment Zoink: Completions npesta: Entertainment Doggie: Entertainment SiKky: Entertainment SdSlayer: Entertainment Nexus: Completions Neiro: Completions Waboo: Official Events Stallion: Entertainment Geometry Dash has a lot more RU-vidrs that are more popular, so GD wins on this subcategory. Which game is more official?: GD is the definitive answer, due to the fact that the official account, RobTopGames has 15 Million subscribers and host yearly nominations. Which game has more feautures?: Both games has alot of feautures, although GD wins because of the reward system and other stuff. Which game has more events?: GD doesn't really have much events, though JToH has a Halloween, April Fool's, Christmas and much more. JToH has more events than GD. Which game is more balanced?: GD is more balanced because of Roblox's faulty physics and crashing systems everywhere. Now, with all the questions above, what is the better game? JToH - Best Easiest Level, More Events. GD - Most RU-vidrs, More Balance, More Feautures, More Official, Best Hardest Level. So, Geometry Dash is the better game. Although there can be a lot more subcategories, we don't need 500 subcategories to see which game is better. I can also answer some questions related to the games if given.

I find measuring a game's difficulty as a whole kind of silly, because both of these games have levels that are extremely easy and extremely hard. If you want to measure the game by its average difficulty among levels and the average player's accomplishments, I would say that jtoh is a harder game, but if we are measuring the hardest things ever done in the game, I would say geometry dash is a harder game. I would also like to not that jtoh is more like playing gd platformer mode because of the way these games work, and platformer gd has not been nearly as developed as normal levels, which would make some of the harder jtoh levels harder than almost all gd platformer levels.

what the fuck is this debate bruh this makes no sense can yall just play ur games instead of arguing which game is harder "jtoh and geometry dash are some if the most similar games on the internet" ??????????????????????????????????????

funny thing is i actually pretty much quit gd because of jtoh lmao, but i still have gd in my heart

So after playing gd for years your hardest is a hard demon…. You have literally no say in which is harder

So after playing gd for years your hardest is a hard demon…. You have literally no say in which is harder

i would say since the games are very similar in objective, GD, the game with more people and more time to push the skill ceiling, is definitely harder. This is just talking about proportions: the top players in GD are much "rarer" than the top players in obbies simply because GD has a larger playerbase

Your hardest is literally a hard demon or smt, it looks like you’ve beaten some difficult levels in tower of hell. Your way more experienced and better at tower of hell than gd. So ofc your going to gd is easier since you’ve never went through the pain of beating the hardest levels in the game. And about that comparison you did at the end, Classic geometry dash levels have no checkpoints most of the time, dieing sends you back to the begging. Imagine that happening while you’re trying to beat the hardest level ever in the game. If you want endurance in gd play a level like eon, it’s an hour long which tests if you can control your nerves enough. Complexity is the entirety of gd itself, multiple game modes and mechanics when mixed together takes a lot of learning to master. Gd levels are insanely difficult to learn as it’s mostly muscle memory. Do not expect to read the entire level in classic mode without a care in the world. Especially with levels like limbo with the sole purpose of being a five minute extremely difficult memory level! To sum it all up, if you play gd more you will eventually come to the conclusion that geometry dash is blatantly harder than tower of hell. Try beating tidal wave, an extreme demon, in “a week” because apparently your supposed to beat the highest category of levels with the hardest of the hardest levels in under seven days💀 Just get better👍 Cool vid though

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As a very high level GD player and solid JToH player (beaten some SCs), GD is miles harder than JToH will ever be. Both games have communities that try to push the limits of the game, but since GD has way more players, it's obviously harder because the skill ceiling can rise faster. It's as simple as that.

6:03 ah so I guess beating craZy means you’re pretty good 😔 6:30 1. My guy. Your beat one hard demon (maybe a couple other than craZy but still) You have no idea what the pain of dying to an insane/extreme demon is like. 2. People have spent 2 YEARS trying to beat levels, and MILLIONS of attempts on single levels, not to mention The endurance you need to keep your nerves handled when you get far into a level. 3. limbo moment 100 000 000 levels moment Robot moment Ship moment Slopes moment 4. Sure, GD can be easy to learn, but is that a bad thing? Mastering something is harder than learning, and mastering usually matters more because that’s actually trying to improve. 6:45 finally, I guess you just don’t like simplicity.

I think that both are equally as hard because the skill ceiling of both games can get so high to the point where no human can really do them. Take for example things like Citadel of Void are so hard that no human can realistically beat them. This same thing applies for levels in geometry dash like Silent Circles or other levels that are considered above the skill range of a human being. If we are talking about things that are considered humanly possible in both communities, someone would have to be a top player in JToH and GD to even have a valid opinion.

I agree. Geometry dash is a game that you can learn yourself and Jtoh is more of learning things. Im a good gd player with legit 44 demons and a mid obby player (I can wallhop and do hard wrap arounds)

You’re forgetting about Platformer levels in Geometry Dash just look at the extreme demon levels frustration and fury of 500 and you’ll see how hard those levels really are I can’t imagine how hard those two levels would be without checkpoints.

i would say GMD bc the top demons, fixed hitboxes, bad gameplay, and frameperfects. i think fnm04 did 2 1k fps frampeerfects for a 2k sub special which is way harder than most of the towers combient.

Geometry Dash has 12 main skillsets and the physics vary extremely differently depending on what amount of frames per second and hertz you have, in Geometry Dash there is also alignments which act similarly to frames and using both frame and alignment you can create pixel frame perfects which is essentially in very simple terms a(x+y)^t in terms of difficulty if you aren't to account for anything else. A= Alignment X + Y= Frames Per Second and Hertz T= Window of Time Since 60-120 fps is the norm for geometry dash and 120-240 hz is the norm for computers they have the least difficulty but going lower or higher will increase the difficulty due to increased risk of alignment based issues in the case of higher fps/hz or the issue of not being able to put in inputs at the right time due to limited visibility and visual lagging in the case of lower fps/hz. Meaning the equation is more close to ((a(x+y)*a(% of error for a))/t

I wouldn't say CraZy is a hard level ngl... think about how long it would take a starter player to go from the hardest tower in JToH compared to Tidal Wave. Which would be beat first?

tbh i have deepwoken ptsd rn, so when i saw the ToMD trail, i thought you were on fire at that point and i was like: ''why isnt he rolling! wait a seccond...''

I think you should combine both classic and platformer mode, because platformer mode it is possible to create just one level of the same difficulty as JTOH thats how big and advanced gd is

As sad as it is, this answer does not have an answer. And yes i know it sucks to not have a definetive answer, your opinion is jtoh is more difficult, a big factor in that is probably beacuse you Are much better than at Geometry dash, meanwhile me, who is FAR better at Geometry dash, i personally mean that Geometry dash is more difficult. The problem about asking «what is more difficult» is that it has 3 ways of being interperated. 1. which game has a more difficult map? I do not have the knowledge to completely answer this question, but i believe it would be Geometry dash simply beacuse of it having been a game much longer, and having a MUCH larger fanbase 2. what game do you struggle in learning more? This one is very subjective and mostly based on what games you have played Prior, for example, i learned Geometry dash very fast, meanwhile Im struggling alot with jtoh, while my brother steamrolled though jtoh, but cant do anything in Geometry dash. 3. which game has a harder theoretical hardest level? Its likely jtoh, simply beacuse there Are more possible innpust and timings in a single jump, meanwhile frameperfect (the hardest possible jump in Geometry dash) arent really to difficult for experienced players. All in all, it doesnt matter. Have your own opinion and discuss it with other 😊

This is a stupid question because both games have an infinite skill ceiling, what your really asking is which game has more advanced top play, and the answer to that question is easily gd and i would i wanna see anyone attempt so say otherwise.

I agree JToH is harder. There are some factors that equalize the difficulty tho, things like in GD you are guaranteed to go back to the beginning and also 2 player levels, you get more nervous in GD and timings just being straight up luck most of the time.

5:52 u kinda DID do this the main reason u say that jtoh is harder is cuz u have played it more and you have more bias in favor of it. i cant lie, i am a gd player, my hardest being acu, but i still cant judge which game is harder. that is because i havent played jtoh as much, like you but in the other way. therefore, which game is harder is up to personal belief and opinion. there won't be a correct answer until one game stops getting updated

me (jtoh player) and my brother (gd player) have been beefing for months on which is harder, so thanks

As a guy who sucks at both games (hardest in jtoh ToFSF, gd is Dash) Gd is harder lol theres no BREAKS in gd, and in the hardest levels ever all the inputs have to be frame perfect, its just complete bogus.

5:04 honestly has a retired jtoh player (haven't played roblox in almost 2 years so I might be wrong) extreme demon is more like a mix of remorseless - unreal levels, since the human limit has been pushed a lot farther and extreme demon in general is just a variety from moderately difficult to borderline-impossible levels

Geometry dash is. There is a level known as "Transfinite Void" that requires f_lim(BMS)+ω^2(10) clicks to complete. I know you've heard this thousands of times but I'm being serious. This number is too big to be described. Hell, just tidal wave has 3 victors. so, yippeeeeeee.

Look, If your best is a hard demon, you think that jtoh is harder, if your talking about main levels, yes jtoh is harder but look, in gd there's many impossible levels when in jtoh there's few, in gd there's possible impossible levels, like Aeternus, Grief, Ascension to heaven, Silent Acropolis, and many more and also when your a jtoh RU-vidr you will say that jtog is harder, but only one can tell, who can beat the hardest to tower and the hardest gd level, then we will know but if your talking about demons, jtoh is easier and I mean, like thousands of times easier.

Another banger 🔥 Honestly they're 2 very different games but like you said, my hardest is ToAR and I can barely do the 4th main level of GD. It's very experience-based imo. Anyways, keep cooking with these videos!

ok ok so I've seen you guys saying gd is harder and heres my answer: JtoH is much MUCH newer meaning we haven't had the time that gd has had to push the limits of the game. I honestly thing GD is much harder, yes, JtoH does have extremely precise timings but gd doesn't have breaks, you can't pause in the middle of an extreme demon and not die. JToH is honestly much easier mainly because of the skill level that is currently set. Either way, great video and keep it up!!!

Comparing two quite different games in terms of difficulty doesn't make sense.

You simply cannot compare both, they are both unique and have their own set of difficulty.

Just a quick thing, i havent played jtoh that much so idk really, but gd can basically be infinitely hard, and current “impossible” levels are likely to be beaten eventually, bcus gd has no skill ceiling, But thats my take on it, ive barely played jtoh so idk.