Is Kaiki A Good Person? | Monogatari Character Analysis 

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but what does Senshougahara say?

Nice try, but we all know who kept his number in her phone...

Did he really outrun her? Wasn't that just unreliable narration in effect?

The FBI it was a mixture of knowledge of the airport they were in, along with his actual running ability (he used to be on the track team in college)

Rowan Fitton kanbaru was the narator, so the chance of him being faster is high

@@nelisezpasce yeah, it was mostly due to Kanbaru's narration, as you said.

@KissShot Acerola Ah I remember this line from the afterword in the LN's. Isin truly has a way with words.

Right? I got a rush of serotonin when I saw that UTS made a new Monogatari vid :3

you should read Bakemonogatari manga, its even better than anime. It was drawn by OH GREAT (Air Gear author) I really liked bakemongatari anime, but manga is like 1st ranked on my top list.

i like that manga, has more supernatural mystery style. It is still full of surreal symbolics (really beautifully drawn btw, better than in anime) However, it has more mysterious pacing and we can see Araragi trying to solve mysteries rather than simply "talk with them"

Ofc its actually pretty popular

As long as shaft keeps making more, people will always be interested

Best Girl.

BEST PERSON EVER

Kaiki best grill

Best boy

Hes a mirror of sorts.

I think it is true for Kagenui as well, for the very same reason.

@@Zheesh7349 I agree. I wonder if it applies to Tadatsuru too.

@@DarioKalen_Kagenui I think it applies to ALL the Ghost Busters, I thought the point is to make all 5 seem completely different and opposing everyone, except the way Gaen works is that she basically encompasses everyone's and also no one's ideologies at the same time. Or do I not understand Gaen yet?

Most of Kaiki's words always remind me of a quote from one of my friend, "The idea of something is stronger than what it really is"

Gosh, that's a hard statement. Neko: Shiro, Sodachi's, and Ougi Dark are also good contenders for that. But we can't deny Kaiki kills it in this arc!

@@MrFreakHeavy and that 90's drama OP starring him and senjougahara was frickin hillarious

Yes indeed

@@MrFreakHeavy Ong bro, monogatari second season ended off so strong because of Kaiki's screentime, it's my favourite scene due to how perfect the whole season is.

​@@MrFreakHeavy lock in boys new season is out

yes

Beautiful

🥺...yes

What ep he said that again

@@danielgarcia8397 hanamonogatari episode 2 or 3.

YESU DA

YES YES *YES* YES YES

deishuu ne

You mean best grill

Is that even a question??

He's also one of the few adults that gets significant screentime, along with Oshino Meme. And you can tell that he's an adult by the way he acts and thinks, just like with Meme. I think that's very intentional and says a lot about the other characters - some of them may be mature for their age, but they largely are still just kids growing up

Kanbaru - best kouhai!!

yeah the meat he valued so highly getting completely burnt like that is honestly such an extremely telling detail that something was clearly off

Happiness? Is he going to buy happiness? For 298 yen?!

nice profil pic

@@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf well depends if you can define happiness as a same concept for everyone. Happiness for someone can be true love, healthy body, financal independancy and for some people happiness can be a simple donut.

Yes exactly please do a video about ougi.

Best character indeed

that'd be awesome. Ougi is one of my favorite characters

kah kah

I wanna pet you so hard shinobu

happy_to be_sad ちょっと不思議

wait, do people really shrug off their own crushes like that? I mean, sure, you'd not overthink someone else's crush, but if you're not overthinking your own crushes, i'm not sure it qualifies as a "crush" to begin with...

True, he does represent the series themes very closely, aside from Koyomi obviously since basically all the series themes originate from him, justice, lies, etc.

@@nyankers Sorry for such a late reply, but I did, in fact, center what I said as viewing someone else's experience rather then your own. I apologize if my wording wasn't quite right. As I said, it all kindof flowed out as I was thinking on it. lol

@@nyankers not exactly shrugging off. She held onto her crush for a reason despite, even because, she would never get the feelings returned to her. It’s easy to want something you know you aren’t going to get. You don’t have to put in much effort for what you know you won’t get.

you’re so correct it’s unbelievable

I see so many people paint Nadeko as this pure villain who is just ‘black’ from the get go, and I was like ‘isn’t this the exact thing the five arcs from season 2 taught us not to do?”

@@jacliffh9221 Oml yes, the Nadeko part was amazing! Very uncomfortable to watch, but well done and amazing~ I don't think she should be villainized (is that a word?) either, I always thought of it more of a point proven to the audience - That Araragis sense of "good" isn't universally applicable. That there's some people that bring out the worst of each other, even though they could be someone elses hero. Araragis way to help - at least to me - felt like the kind of guy who would try to help someone with depression by telling them to just do better. Nadeko's emotions are something he didn't understand, the concept of how him 'helping' her would make things worse, how someone can think as badly of other people as her. Not justifying turning into a snake god and attempting murder here, but we can see Nadeko hanging out with Araragis Sister in the end, more content than ever before and actually working on her dreams. As we've seen with Kaiki, it takes different people to help someone in different situations. He did understand her way of thinking which Araragi didn't. I mean, it's the same in real life, right? At least for me there's people who think really well of me for some reason, and others that I have hurt whom I couldn't help with the way that I am. Some I don't get along with, almost accidentally start fights with because I f.ex. don't put as much value on courtesy, but I know others that love them. The other way around works too, there's people whom being around makes me feel more alright, who point out mistakes and I can actually accept it, and others where I just get more riled up and self-destructive. Things aren't black and white, just a mess of human emotions. Sorry for the ramble, I just really get overly excited about topics I find interest in~ Have a nice day!

I didn't think araragi viewed world in this simplistic manner. Even he didn't think that apparitions are evil either in his conversation with black hanekawa in bakemonogatari. They have their own reasons. They are created because of humans nature. They can benefit themselves from misfortune of others. He also always think world is not simple. I didn't understand how you find araragi view world like this. His view on kaiki is not evil in nise but menancing in first place. But it doesn't mean that I am disagree with you. I am just not agree with your point that he view world in simplistic manner. But this is true that he cannot save nadeko in series because of his helping nature. He didn't understand that nadeko didn't become like this because of araragi but it is because of her lie to herself. He think that it is his mistake not nadeko's. He should scold her for her behaviour or atleast give her advice for her behaviour but he cannot do that. Because he never able to accept that he can call something truly wrong or right. He should do his best. But in this type of case, he didn't able to true root of reality and failed. He really didn't do what he think right but blamed himself for this situation. That's why he cannot save her. That's the problem of his effort which he understands in later arcs. That's the same advice is given by him to suruga in hanamonogatari.

I would recommend monogatari series to everyone .. if only not for those fan service ... I mean, it's great, it just won't please everybody.

Don't you find it kind of unsettilng? I mean it's full of netorare vibes... I keep wondering if that is part of Nisioisin unreliable narrator trolling though, gonna have to read the novel one day I guess

@@-LocoBolon I feel you lmao

​@Leandro Orcajada ​ ​ @Patrick I get what you mean, but in reality it’s not the case at all : I actually read the LN, maybe it's clearer there that the narrator Kaiki is playing with us, I'm sure the narrator played a huge part in this, Kaiki and the author warned us they even said it was a love story between Araragi and Senjougahara. The OP is also misleading as not in the LN, it follows the same troll idea, it’s a «fake duet ».., also Senjougahara for instance refers to things related to Araragi that we see later on so... But even from his narration : she was so obviously trolling, disdainful and was a bit manipulating him, even Kaiki knew it and told her to stop. Don’t forget that Senjougahara was almost raped and suffered indirectly because of Kaiki and she uses that to leverage him. First remember when they met, Senjougahara was wearing a mask. For me this is highly symbolic and means “she will play a character vs Kaiki to counter him” She used a bit his guilt for instance when she said she would sell her body if need be: he knew she bluffed but still it worked as he tried to find a reason to help them. When she spoke about meeting, they were both disdainful and Kaiki told her to stop the bad jokes. So even if hypothetically Kaiki didn’t lie which we know he did ,still it was obvious for him that she was being insincere and sarcastic. Both characters denied having or had a relationship. Also, Kaiki mentioned before he viewed her as being his apprentice and said that because of his lies Araragi is under the impression that she used to like him, so here is your explanation, finally, in the end she says if he though she liked him that she tricked him, which could be actually true since she could not have felt emotion such as love or hate while under the crab eventhough she admits to Araragi that she first had a positive view on him at first which turned into hate that could be only felt after retrieving her emotions. Finally at this point we know that she loves Araragi way too much for anything like that to sway her, and before Bake, she was under the effect of the crab, so no emotions. And yeah the author said he trolled the reader in this part and Kaiki told us he was. So if you got startled before trying to get to the bottom of it, they got you ;). So yeah you can chill there are actually no real ntr vibes. Spoiler alert : For future proof : what was said by Mayoi in Owari about the past doesn't really contradict this at all. Mayoi was a bit ambiguous and tried to provoke Araragi to face himself and assert what HE truly WANTED(I will catch Senjougahara everytime) and even confirms it a bit. Before bake, when Kaiki tried to help, Senjougahara was under the effect of the crab so no emotions, never kissed or anything , so it only leaves a platonic relation : IMO they had a apprentice like relation etc

@@AC-zk4cx can you spoil me about the current status of Koyomi and Hitagi? I read somewhere that Koyomi is planning to propose to Hitagi. And please spoil me to the reason of all their breakups. Thanks jn advance

@@Kebenten Ofc no problem, SPOILER ALERT : They are either in college or working: It was told in one arc in Musubimonogatari Musubi meaning mariage and the front page is Senjougahara in a traditional wedding dress. They broke up 3 times First "because" of Sodachi, she is broke and Araragi let her stay at his house without telling Senjou, she breaks up with him, but then they get back together with the help of Sodachi. Second time is a stupid reason that isn't even mentioned, they get back together. Third time is because of work while Senjou is overseas working, Araragi wants to stay with her and ask to be transferred overseas and marry her, but when he gets back at home he finds Senjougahara already there since she made her company open up a branch in Japan. They get back together once again and Araragi wants to propose and marry her. It was quite interesting that they both unilaterally decided to join where the other was, but Senjougahara was faster, she was still with her luggage in Araragi's home. If you want a bit more sweet spoils : the last words were Araragi : "I luv you" and the answer Senjougahara : "Koyomi tore" (fascination) reference to "Senjougahara fascination" said by Araragi in Bake when they started dating.

as far as we know. maybe

You mean for the character, story, and thematic arc to finalize. The "and then I died" is the end of his, Koi's, and Second Season's arcs. Hana goes before Koi, that's how the story is supposed to be followed.

Has Aragagi ever lied/obscured things in his narration? I don't remember. The closest I can think of is him not narrating really private moments with Hitagi and the camera panning out, like in episode 12 of Bake

@@Ail-vk4uh almost all of the events of owari he kept hidden and lied about until the actual narration of it, hanekawa actually mentions that hes hiding stuff in neko. Most of the stuff in general koyomi does in it is exaggeration to fit with his worldview

@@Ail-vk4uh He omits the fact his parents are police officers, even from the audience. Hanekawa finds out from the fire sisters during second season.

Nah I can only agree about kaiki. At least based on the anime

Not really? They are more complex in a sense, but that's because they have more backstory and are, well, adults. They are less nuanced tho. They are more exaggerated and over the top compared to the teens characters, and there is somewhat of a pattern connecting the adults to the teens. For example, Kaiki is an exaggerated Araragi that went dark. A man that tried to help but ultimately got burned by doing so, and that ends up putting walls all around him at the cost of basically having no human connection apart from his clients. Doesn't that remind you of anything? Yeah, that's exactly Araragi backstory before meeting Shinobu in Kizu. Araragi could have EASILY went down a similar Path.

I feel like it's better to watch Hana last, Not that I know because I followed the novel order but the suprise factor is gone when he's dead and he suddenly pops up lol, but you're right at least I'm not confused when i watched him helping hitagi because of kanbaru

@@kentstopme Koi starts with Kaiki stating that he's a liar, which you would expect him to be, since he appears as a villain before through the eyes of both Araragi and Kanbaru (if you watch hana before koi) as well as the eyes of the audience. However as Koi goes by and you see Kaiki doing something unexpected of him, doing good, you forgot that he said he was a liar at the start and slowly change your opinion about him and forgot everything you knew. Good or bad ? in the end it's blurry. Until the end, where he blatantly lie and fake his own death. Since you should have watched Hana before you know that he isnt dying and he's lying about it, reminding you that he is indeed a liar. So do all the things he said and did in Koi, end up being a lie and he played everyone and it's just him putting on a good guy mask and he's ultimately a bad guy ? That's the all point of having koi at the end of S2, it's the plot twist of the arc and of Kaiki's character. Having Hana after ruins that plot twist.

I think Hana first is also important because it shows Kaiki being "selfless" and "honest" while we still see him as someone who needs quotation marks around those words. Reading Hana for the first time you see Kaiki spinning an obviously false sob story to trick Kanbaru into listening to him. On a re-read, after Koi, it's heartbreaking to see how honest he's being, especially since your initial response to a story of his greatest regret was "yeah, sure, and if you pull the other it's got bells on." When everyone knows you're a liar, everything you say is a lie. Even the truth. Especially the truth.

Because it is meant to be watched before Otorimonogatari (in the original novel order) for it to make a lot more sense. But because of TV broadcast constraints and usual anime bullshit they had to strip it off and make it later, therefore the themes and characters development in S2 are all over the place because of it.

A man of culture.

I heard that it's older aesthetic feel comes from the type of manga that Nadeko likes to write

@@dianak8656 correct, the "playwright" themes surrounding nadeko are sprinkled here and there like in that OP and in the after credits scene of the nadeko medusa arc

...And you just got tricked by his character. XD