Kobe is a top 5. You can't deny, when he was in the game that he was not the best player on the floor? And impact the game the most? 2002-06 Kobe was top 3! I witnessed it!
@@LjLong-wx1pk Kobe was superior to Shaq in the western conference, admittedly by Phil Jackson, everyone knows the real finals were in the western conference finals. You can’t tell me the Spurs and Kings aren’t better than the Sixers and Nets. Just say you didn’t watch games back then
He's in the top 8-11 range. His passing moved him up higher for many. 1 regular season, MVP regardless of circumstances removes him from the top 5 conversation. Hes not even the best player in his era. This belongs to Duncan, who some don't have in their top 5. Which is crazy
Kobe and Tim D. easily top 5 players. You can’t just ignore the 2 guys who reigned over the by far harfest decade of the game, yeah russel, chamberlain magic or kareem were great players for their era, but I am sure as hell they wouldn’t have nearly the same amount of accolades if they played in the 2000s
Tim is not top 5 for us, top 10? Absolutely, we have him 8 and Kobe 5. Magic is way better than Tim. The greatest PG ever ranked 6th on our list. With these soft a$$ rules today. He'd avg 18+ APG. Wilt is the most physically dominant player ever even by today's standards. Probably the strongest player ever. The man deadlift 600 lbs! ask Arnold. He was also a phenomenal triathlon! nobody in the NBA can do that. He is ranked 2nd all-time behind MJ. Wilt would avg 35 15 7 today with no threes. Lane is wide open. Mj would average 47-50 when he is not mad. The game is horrible today. Look at the ratings. Colorado has higher ratings than the NBA and they are rebuilding team. That's all you need to know.
@@hainavidotcom yeah I mostly agree with what you said but you forgot that I was talking about the 2000s decade, this decade is easy as hell to play, 2000-2010 we’re the epitomy of the game of basketball, it had almost the amount of talent of today, it had great storylines, it had great rivalries, and the western conference during that time was just the strongest it had ever been by a huge gap, and Kobe still managed to get 5 rings in this era, even though he had Shaq he still did it twice without him and he faced and beated the most 50 win teams ever with a Pau Gasol, who was by far his best teammate, who only got 1 nba allstar title before he joined Kobe. And 2004-2007 Kobe played with absolute bums, kn the pinnacle of his performance, he got robbed multiple times and was injured a lot, which made his accomplishments on paper just barely top 10, but if you put it into context and ask nba players who actually played him LeBron and MJ the answer is mostly the same, mj was the best ever and Kobe is the only one that came actually close, Kobe in my top 2 definitely but top 5 is also fine I guess, but I heard so much bs about him that’s crazy, apparently he is worse than DWade and Tracy mcgrady, not even top 10 and the most overrated player ever, and Tim Duncan is just forgotten somehow, people should put respect on their names but 5 and 8 is fine
@@TheOneAndOnlyJinglebi The NBA today is shit doo doo. super weak and soft! the softest era in the history of the league and the ratings do not lie. All the others are better. The best era was mid 80s, 90s, and early to mid 00's. Europe is way better. They are the new 90s. This is why all these euros are dominating the game over us born players. every single one of them.
@@hainavidotcom mostly agree but Europeans are just catching up because novadays there are just more people that play this game on a high level outside the us
@@TheOneAndOnlyJinglebi they're better because of the rules and fundamental training. Nba doesn't focus on fundamental. They focus on AAU. Nba has gone down. They don't play at the same level. I'ma former professional athlete that played basketball for the sonics in 2002. Trust me on this
The part where you used true shooting for different superstars, it’s better to show relative true shooting. Also, saying Kobe’s stats are very similar to Jordan is somewhat not accurate; a 2% difference in TS% over a sample size of hundreds of games is huge, and just goes to explain how Jordan really perfected the fundamentals to be so efficient.
MJ got a much bigger chunk of his points from inside of 8-feet than Kobe did thanks to his lethal first step, and leaping ability. MJ also didn't play for 20 seasons. 45% FG for a 20-year career, a perimeter player, and a guy who gets over half of his points from 10-feet or further from the basket is actually very efficient, especially for the lowest scoring era in NBA history, and that's with taking many tough shots at times. If you were an NBA coach, would you ever tell a defender to sag off against Kobe Bryant from anywhere on the court? Would you allow Kobe to get a clean look shooting the ball from any range? Would you rely on committing a single defender against Kobe? No, you wouldn't because Kobe was an all-time great shooter, and he was especially great at shooting through contact. Go and watch Kobe goat szn to see how great of a shooter he really was. He would make shots through contact, or off of movement, and draw fouls while getting the and-1s off of jump-shots consistently. In the occasion that Kobe got a clean look, or a single defender matched up with him, Kobe was money from any distance. Kobe also had the greatest pull-up jumper in NBA history. If Kobe wanted to shoot 50% FG for his career, he easily could have by reducing the amount of contested shots he took. Kobe did play a more controlled game at times, but when his team needed him to carry the scoring load, he would take more chances with more difficult looks, and creating his own shot more often, especially when the shot-clock was running down, his team was on a scoring drought, or when he needed to carry his team across the finish line late in games. During his most efficient seasons, he would hover around 46% to 48% FG, and that was when he had competent teammates around him, and he didn't have to take as many contested shots.
MJ had Pippen to play D, Kobe was MJ and Pippen in one so his efficiency is a little lower. First team all Defense while averaging 35 ppg is crazy and no MVP.
@@docallentv Kobe’s defensive peak was in 2000, after that lots of his all defense selections are more out of his reputation. Sure, he’s one of the best when he’s locked in, but he isn’t always in that mode
Kobe's all-time ranking is so varied because most of the people who are judging his career didn't actually watch him play. After Kobe won his 5th championship, the conversation was about Kobe being a legitimate threat to MJ's GOAT status. That was the realistic conversation back in 2010-2013. Once Lebron won his first championship, and Kobe got hurt, the media started trying to devalue Kobe's legacy, and they somewhat succeeded on a shallow level with the younger generation of fans who started watching basketball towards the end of Kobe's career, or after Kobe had retired. There was a time when there was no question about Kobe's greatness, but Lemedia with their Legenda has went out of their way to reduce Kobe to the level of guys like Lebron, Steph Curry, or KD. Kobe was always beyond any of those guys in skill level, ability, talent, and championship pedigree. In a league with guys like Duncan, Dirk, Lebron, Shaq, Iverson, Kidd, Carmello, Wade, and so many others, Kobe was far beyond any of them, and they all knew it.
Brilliant Video man 👍. Kobe is in my Top 5 no question of Greatest Players of All Time - Top 5: MJ, Magic, Bird, Kareem and Kobe. Kobe gets in my Best Starting 5 aswell - Starting 5: MJ, Pippen, Rodman, AI & Kobe.
Fool. No way bird is top 5. Too many ppl better. And Kobe top 5 ? He’s not even top 10. You an oldhead lebron hater I can tell u had sum agaisnt him since the 2000s trust me ik
@@Post2k69 Ofc, just keep going and you’re destined to be great if you make content like this (even if you’re risking getting backlash from casual fans)
3 total MVPs (2 FMVP+1MVP) TD got 5 Bird got 5 Magic got 6 Shaq got 4 Kareem got 8 MJ got 11 Wilt got 6 Bill got like 11 Bron got 8 Kobe's whole case is mamba mentality, all that bs. If we looking at career and not vibes, Kobe fans should be thankful he's top ten
one important thing to note about kobe is his lack of ANY advanced stat success. some say advanced stats aren't a perfect indicator of how good a player is as basketball. but its a pretty good one. my goat is michael jordan. in a 7 year stretch, he led the league in PER, VORP, BPM, and winshares. for 7 years straight. the next closest thing is lebron from 2009-2013. who happens to be my #2 all time. lebron from 2009-2013 also led the league in PER, VORP, BPM, and winshares. in total, jordan has led advanced stats 60 times in his career. lebron has led the league 43 times. other greats like duncan, shaq, magic, bird, kareem, wilt, russell, even modern ones like curry and durant have led the league dozens of times throughout their careers. theres just one player missing, and i think you know who it is. kobe. kobe, not once in 20 years, led the league in a single advanced stat. out of all the "concensus top ten" players, kobe is the only player to have never done this. he is also the only player among the "top ten" that has a career negative defensive +/-. just some food for thought.
Only players that played with or against Kobe, can judge him. Because they have the experience to do so. And did he need Shaq to win chips. Nope! and he proved it twice. He's also has 12 all defensive team honors. Yes more than MJ who had 9...
Kobe is a top 5 best player of all time, but if u don’t watch or really basketball and just see tik tok and the accolades, u will think that magic is batter then Kobe when he isn’t
@@idektbh18 Lebronze without Kobe: 2 bronze olympic medals. With Kobe saving his ass (after making him his bitch in the training...), he finally got a gold.
Another Kobe fan try to weasel out of Kobe WORST stats and intentionally not show them (we all know the "it was a defensive game guys" and "4th quarter tho" arguments). Another video going to ignore the FG and because Kobe is good at FT will just look at true shooting. Here are some FACTS about Kobe being "good" at the finals. Kobe was shooting BELOW 35 % FG in 12 out of his 37 games in the finals. You ask why he is called inefficient? This is why. Let's compare him to D Wade , Jordan and Lebron. D Wade shot below 35 % FG 3 times out of 29 games, MJ 3 times out of 35 games and LeBron 6 times out of 55 games. So JUST TO OPEN your Kobe fan eyes, I will summarize those numbers. Kobe SHOT BELOW 35 % FG in 12/37 (which is 32.4 % of all his games) while MJ, Lebron and Wade COMBINED shot below 35 % in 12 / 119 (10 % of their games). So Kobe alone had equal number of inefficient games at the finals compared to all the other 3 players combined while playing 3 times less games. But as a true "unbiased" Kobe fan you will ignore this and quickly mention some 4th quarter bull**** to paint the picture that somehow Kobe was amazing at the finals. And now let's go to True Shooting at the finals. Who had the most games with less than 45 % TS. MJ just had 1 / 35. Wade had 6/29 , LeBron had 7/55 (all 3 combine to 14) and Kobe had 11 !!!!! /37. Even if you try to escape to the TS it simply won't save your narrative how great Kobe was at the finals. So to answer your question - YES, Kobe is top 10 but he is out of top 5. And it is not even debatable. I would rank him somewhere between 7 and 10.
Era is the reason why some players are where they are LBJ shouldn’t be in anyone’s top 10 he has played in the weakest era’s most inflated era ridiculously low win percentage in playoffs his inability or none desire to play defense except for the occasional defense highlight play all throughout his career he has been a tool to get more people to watch the NBA and I quote the next MJ when he has failed at every single level along with many other players in this era who have the same issues with their careers
Kobe is top 5, or top 3 depending on who you ask. There is no way he isn't top 5. They can deny it all they want, but there aren't 5 guys in NBA history who were better than Kobe. Not Lebron, not Duncan, not Shaq, not Hakeem, not Bird, and not Magic. Outside of MJ, the only other guys I would even consider putting ahead of Kobe would be maybe Kareem, and Wilt. That's it!! Everyone else doesn't hold a candle to Kobe Bryant.
He is def top 2-5. I'm going with my personal view of him and mainly WHAT HIS PEERS THINKS OF HIS STANDINGS. Kobes,peers, spoken this way before he'd passed, so let's not use the sympathy angle here to why they'll say he's top 2-5.
@@nathanwhyte9048 you must be some kind of slow. His peers n those with great vision says the same thing. If u don't like him.. fine but don't lie on him. I don't like Bron but he's def top 6-10. The disrespect of this man has to stop. An out top 10 player gotten all the cameras at his final tour is unheard of.
@@CriticaLLout i know, i was talking about how this guy says someone said that if you cant be the best at your position then u cant be top 10 but if u have 5 positions and 5 best players how do you have 10 players for the top 10?
My thing is… whatever you value in players.. Kobe is easily top 10. Skill, peak, prime, accolades, championship, stats. I have him top 5. If ppl don’t that’s fine. But when ppl say “he has no case for top 5” that’s when ik they’re being biased. He’s top 10 easily and has a case for top 5
Got my sub 2 glad u showed the injuries his last years that's what held him back he was on pace 2 eclipse MJ but got 2 close 2 da sun. Even still he was right there with him
People akways try to leave Kobe off the lists by saying he wasn't efficient. Dude won three titles in a row with Shaq, and then built his team up instead of running somewhere else and won two more titles in a row without Shaq. You can say every player on the GOAT lists needed the other people to win titles because it is super rare for a team with just one star to win a title.
Top 10 NBA Players Of All Time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Oscar Robertson 4. Wilt Chamberlain 5. Kareem Abdul Jabbar 6. Bill Russell 7. Tim Duncan 8. Hakeem Olajuwon 9. Jerry West 10. Larry Bird I really love Kobe Bryant, but he's not in my All Time top 10
Simple answer. Because of LeMedia. LeMedia is on the warpath against every great. They won’t stop until Lebron is declared goat, which ain’t gonna happen until the generations that saw Jordan, Magic, Kareem, Kobe, Duncan, Bird etc dies off. Lebron is not in my top 5. Kobe is. He dominate way better than Lebron.
Excellent video, ur channel is gonna explode soon. Agree with ur points, I feel like Kobe fans just don’t want to admit the bias, he is top 10 for sure tho
I can tell you in one word... efficiency, of all the GOAT candidates, Kobe is the least efficient, and he is my all time favorite, but MJ, Kareem, Wilt, LeBron, Russell, Magic, Duncan, Shaq, Bird, Hakeem, KD, Steph, all get him on efficiency
Lebron n Steph are not in this they play in the Barbie era bron couldn't win till all the greats basically got 2 old n he jus steamrolled ppl. Not very impressive if u ask me. Ain't got nothing against any of the others u mentioned except of course the bigs are gonna have better efficiency they barely shot the ball everything was in the paint they had 2 earn it tho. MJ n Kobe both top of the pyramid love old skool ball
He's not better than MJ, Bird, Magic, Kareem, Duncan, Hakeem, Russell, Chamberlain, ShaQ or Bron. Consider this factoid: When Bron, Larry, ShaQ, MJ, Magic etc,. come to your team, your guaranteed to make the playoffs. Every one of the players that I listed would take Smush Parker & Kwame Brown to the PLAYOFFS!!! Without DOMINANT players[And Phil Jackson] he can't make the playoffs. The Blown 4-Peat against Detroit {Jacking up shots & not dumping it to ShaQ, going away from the 🔼 tryin to be like MJ} the blowout chip game 6 against Boston when he didn't show up! He's top 12-18 with Isaiah, Moses, The Big-O, Dr.J, Jerry West.
Kobe's top 6-8 chill. There 5 positions he's the 2nd best in his, why would be better top 5? If you build a best 5 he makes the bench.... Show the advanced stats and the points ect, Jordan stomps Kobe, get some help. Fruit picking bro 🤭. Hardly a carbon copy when one won 10 straight scoring titles Vs 2 in 5 extra years...come on man that's dumb.
heres my list, mj and bron 1 and 2 in no order. 3. kareem 4 and 5 would have to be kobe or tim duncan. but leaving magic out? its rough. magic if he didn’t get aids would might have been known as top 3 minimum.
Wherever you have Kobe in your top #10 ........he will be surrounded by 9 players that shot at a higher percentage...Facts look at your list.......not my list .....your list......he was a volume shooter, notorious ball hog that led the league in scoring 2 times in 20 years. Lol. The only notable record he has is most misses.
I know Kobe had Shaq for the first 3, and that Pao was a great player, but he wasn't a superstar. Shaq had a Kobe, but Kobe didn't have a Shaq, or any other superstar. Plus, he had to beat the stacked Celtic one of those years. A super team. I also didn't hear anything about defense in the analysis. Love your channel though. It's top 5 no question!
LeMedia trying to push and dissrespect Kob, what really gonna happen is Lebron will get pushed out of top 10 all time greatest, because he NEVER walked the path.... Kob did.
bro what? lemedia? this dude legit has gone out and said lebron not the goat but yet you claim hes a lemedia memebr? Hes a top 3 player oat kobe isnt get out your personal feelings
@@TheTruthChris Not just having Lemedia minions in his pocket, an entire company capping for him, Klutch Sports pushing fake narratives for you 😎. You are right Kob not top 3, hes top 2, nothing to do with feelings, EVERYTHING to do with basketball, Kob walked the path and was the closest one to The G.O.A.T..... from North Carolina.... Chicago.....Washington..... a guard.....6.6ft..... Michael Jordan 😎 23
STOP IT....THE ONLY REASON LEBRON IS IN THE CONVERSATION IS " MARKETING "........ PICK SOMEONE TO PROMOTE OR SELL YOUR PRODUCTS...THAT'S WHAT THE NBA DID WITH LEBRON... KOBE HAD A LEGAL CASE AGAINST HIM, HE LOST HIS MARKET VALUE...
Nice analysis, but some advanced stats without context are not worth a penny. E.g. comparing LBJ and Kobe with clutch shots in the finals in my opinion are pointless - Kobe on arguably half of his finals wasn't the best player on the team, so it was much easier to score for him. In the meantime, LeBron often did not have any help like in the ridiculous 2007 or 2018 finals... And one more thing: it's easy to put Kobe in the top 10, the real struggle is who would land outside of it :) Fingers crossed for upcoming videos, great content!
It was easier for him to score because He wasn't the best player. What are you talking about? Shaq dominated the finals but kobe led them there look at those stats
@@michakisiel1635Yes, for that series but who was the best player in the Western conference that year? That was a more competitive a competitive series at that went 7 games, who led the comeback in game 7 when they were down 15 in the fourth quarter. Everybody knew who ever won that game was gonna win the championship
Not gonna watch the only reason why they put lbj over him is because he passed away an cant defend himself oin this an its easy to do so since he has past there is no game id rather have lbj over him no way kobe was a killer that was not scared of the 4th qt
If the Kobe 3 peat counts thn Shaq should be on on the list instead of Kobe. Kobe vs pacers G1 14pts G2 2pts G4 8pts Kobe wasn’t even Robin that first chip. Everyone just just needs to stop being delusional. He also prevented a 4peat vs Pistons cause he was in his feelings about Shaq. So please stop it. I’m a fan of Kobe but if we talking about 3 peat being the criteria of him being in the argument thn sorry to tell you but that was Shaqs 3 peat. Vs pacers Shaq could’ve won with Richard Jefferson in instead of him.
You're an idiot bro, but who led them to the finals? Game seven versus the trailblazers kobe led that team to the win They don't go to the finals that year. If it wasn't for that game, I told me it was always guarded by the best players in the western conference at that time
