@@glizzygangpuncho1501 clear as day who was team leader and best player during the redeem team. (as well as during the nba season prior to that). Not even the media could deny he was the clear alpha for that team.
I watch the 10 min compilation of him missing shots in the clutch or possible game winners while 3 teammates are open nearly every single time that happend so no actually I remember here and there how overrated kobe actually was when you're not emotional about it.
@@KleinSchalker maybe you should watch how he moved around court, how he was the most fundamentally sound player you have ever seen. how he was the team leader of the redeem team. how he took control during the moments shaq faltered during the 3-peat. how when given a minimum of help with gasol and odom he become champion twice. how he was the most lethal scorer of his generation. Was he inefficient at times (especially when he did not trust his teammates), sure. was he a bit cocky, definitely. did he make mistakes during his career. absolutely. doesn't change that once shaq deteriorated he became the best player in the nba and remained the best player in the nba until lebron matured on the miami heat. revisionist want to overrate duncan over kobe. But during their careers that mostly overlapped. kobe was usually the better player.
They have to disrespect Kobe because he’s LeBron’s biggest rival of the era. He won more than LeBron, had less help than LeBron, didn’t switch teams like LeBron, and played better than LeBron a majority of the time. The media needs you to forget all that so they can crown him as the best. That’s why clowns like Nick Wright have been tearing down Jordan for a decade. They’re trying to make you forget history. Anyone over 30 saw prime Kobe. Anyone over 40 saw prime Jordan. We all know what we saw, but the young kids don’t. The media needs them to crown LeBron going forward.
Lebron is better than Kobe in every facet of basketball except for shooting. When you have to resort to things like ‘killer instinct’ and ‘mentality’, you have no argument.
@@gggyy7104 When you have to resort to things like “longevity” you have no argument. Which is all Bron fans ever fucking talk about. Kobe had a better overall career than LeBron in almost every way I can possibly think of. Higher highs, more clutch moments, more carries, more playoff game-winners. LeBron sucked until he had multiple superstars carrying him to Finals appearances 😂 Kobe took G-league starting 5’s to the playoffs in the years he didn’t play with Shaq and Gasol. The Lakers had nobody besides Kobe for YEARS and didn’t draft well at all and he STILL has more rings than LeBron WITHOUT SUPERTEAM HOPPING 😂 I’d bet anything you’re 20 or younger.
@@gggyy7104 hahahahahahahaha! Lebron won more as the MAIN guy. That's funny. Was he the main guy when he scored 7 points in that finals game? Was he the main guy when he clunked that 3 and ray allen saved that finals series for him? Was he the main guy when he took the raptors best player and joined him on the heat along with their best player? Was he the main guy when old-folks home Mavericks team destroyed him in the finals? No one his size was even guarding him that series! He had bosh and wade and his huge self and lost to a team of nearly retired players. What about when that spurs team absolutely DESTROYED them in that other finals series. When he lost multiple times by huge margins. What about when Kyrie hit clutch 4th quarters 3s that saved him inn those games against GSW? Was he the main guy there too? The list is freaking endless man. What about his many many flops in the playoffs? Literally flops where NO ONE touches him. Just a straight LIAR to go along with everything else. The only reason he is put as high as he is is because the media pushes enough dumb nonsense to the younger generations hoping everyone that remembers will eventually just die out.
Kobe Bryant was the best player in the NBA from 2005-2010. During that stretch he was the only NBA player to make 1st Team All NBA and 1st Team All Defense consecutively each year. Furthermore, he was the undisputed best player in the NBA in 2006, joining MJ as the only player post merger to average 35+ppg and make 1st Team All-Defense. I watched Kobe's entire career from the time he entered the league. R.I.P. to a Legend.
That’s exactly why they don’t have players vote for season awards, because of of stupidity like this, in what way is Kobe better than Lebron? Lebron literally beats Kobe in every statistical category except for free throw shooting percentage. Lebron also has more individual accolades than Kobe, he has more mvps, more finals mvps, more all nba selections, more all star selections. I never heard of a convincing argument for Kobe being better than LeBron other than “Kobe has better footwork” or some stupid sh*t like that.
@jaydot4956 First off the dude in this video never said kobe was better all-time he said kobe had better dribbling better mid range shooting and was better in the clutch the lebron dude said he wasn't better in nothing but free throws and that isn't true
@BoxingisgoatedBoxingisgo-sy7jy But the narrator is trying to make you think Kobe is better all-time by his articulation with these few statistics. I love Kobe, but this guy just hates on Lebron too much for me to respect him.
It was the wild wild west fr. Most of the greatest players were in the west. Which is why for me, LeBron going to the finals every year is impressive but not as much as it should be being as though he wasn't going through any of the best players to get there most of the time
@@marclawrence2457 On top of that, LeBron often had the best players on his own team, which is part of the reason the east was so weak. So with Derrick Rose being injury plagued, Boston aging out of relevance, Dwight Howard leaving Orlando, and Carmelo's Knicks falling apart as soon as they became good, the east was just pitifully weak for many years after LeBron formed his Miami superteam.
@@megavolt67 all absolute facts. In the east you only needed one superstar to get you there but you weren't winning unless you had multiple guys or you were the 04 pistons I think was the year
@@marclawrence2457People keep talking about LeBron making the Finals in ‘07 but leave out or just don’t know that the top 3 teams were all out west. First seed in the east had the 4th best record in the league
You may be on to something there. They protected Jordan that time by not allowing CP3 to go to LA. Then they protected Jordan again by allowing KD, a Prime MVP to join a 73 wi n team to have a chance at beating THE GREATEST PLAYER TO EVER PLAY THE GAME in LeBron James. Imagine if There was a player doing great things and getting close to LeBron numbers and James Jones, a good friend to LeBron was the coach and they went and got a Prime MVP to beat that player going forward, people would lose their minds saying that LeBron had his friend get that player to protect his Legacy. I wonder why that isn't being said about Kerr. REAL HATE IN THE GAME.
@@cashmerej9665 protcted Jordan? you mean leflop who concocted a plan with wade to stop kobe. imagine playing for 20 years and only 3 1/2 rings to show for it. over hyped over rated avg skill player
I'm a Nuggets fan and I can say the Kobe disrespect is just weird. You can say "oh hey I didn't like Kobe because he owned my team" but just straight disrespecting him is craziness.
Owned? He was Shaq's sidekick and shot 38% (fg) and 17% (3 ptr) in the 2004 NBA finals loss to Detroit. The Lakers were stacked and he single handedly shot them out of the series in what should have been an easy win.
Has nothing to do with 'owning a team' or jealousy whatsoever. People get annoyed by these unjust accolades. He could never do a damn thing without coattailing elite bigs in his career.
@@BossItUp911 That’s a myth Kobe had a bad shooting series but the team had zero chemistry basically all hated each other and here’s the Lakers 3-6 leading scorers behind Shaq/Kobe DFisch 3Rd at 6PPG 30% DGeorge 5PPG 37% GPayton 5PPG 33% KMalone 4PPG Kobe shot them out of 1 game that was game 4 other then that was 3 Blowout loses and the only game Lakers won Kobe won it single handily w his only great game of the series
@DecemberSkyfire he coattailed pau to 2 championships really. Your comment is laughable. Also name a player that would have been Finals mvp during the 3peat over shaq.
Well I've said he's overrated since he was alive soooo... Idk bout that. I'm not saying he is egregiously overrated but he's more like 11/12 not 3 or 4 where I see many of his fans rate him
Shaq was the most dominant but Kobe was the best player in the world. Shaq literally admitted that during his prime next to Frobe during a post game interview with Craig Sager. He asked, “When and why did you come to the revelation that Kobe Bryant is the best player on the planet?” Shaq response was that when Jerry West showed him film of Kobe he saw the potential immediately. He even said it’s easy to do my job when I got the best player on the planet. He was saying this during 00-01 season. The 2000s era was Kobe’s era 💛💜
Kobe made me want to play Basketball. I did watch MJ, I knew he was crazy good but Kobe was a beast as well. You'll always be my favorite player, you are the closest we can ever get to MJ.
That job couldn't have been good for J Will's blood pressure. However, the Kobe slander is about getting Bron next to Jordan in the minds of uninformed fans. The Kobe slander started when when the Bron GOAT propaganda really got going in the media.
@@BlackPanther-nv2dy naw, nobody believed any of that. Just pieces of garbage looking to slander Kobe and cant find anything legitimate to do it with. You know, real pathetic people.
Also according to MJ haters/LBJ groupies Pippen carried MJ, they say Shaq carried Kobe every year but if you show them Pippen’s and young Kobe’s stats together it kills their whole argument...both put up similar stats yet to them Pippen carried MJ but Kobe didn’t carry Shaq lmao
@@rta23cerberus The only guy worthy of mention is Dwade. Bosh never made it out of the 1st round in Toronto making the playoffs 2x in a long career there. Kyrie has won NOTHING, ANYWHERE except with LBJ. Kevin Love also never won a playoff series in Minnesota, was hurt in 2015 and in the 2016 finals averaged 8 & 7. Lastly AD, won a playoff series 1 time for NOLA. He has been healthy for 1 season, which wouldnt you know it, was their championship in 2020. Context matters MJ glazers and stans
Hey, I hear your argument, but you still don't get it.....LeBron wasn't collecting stars to do what other so-called great players didn't do, LeBron was and is THAT GREAT that he never picked LOTTERY for 3-5 years like them. He was in Cleveland! Have you ever been? In LA, Chicago and Miami are places anyone would love to play ball. All these great players as great as they were and ae picked LOTTERY! Shaq got the #1 next year, MJ picked Lottery 4 years in a row, Kobe got Shaq and Phil, Durant picked Lottery 4X, Steph picked 4 years in the Lottery. Those are Super Teams! All those LOTTERY picks and they somehow had a better team than LeBron. How was he supposed to compete due to him being SO GREAT? Sit back and think about this...LeBron is the ONLY PLAYER TO LEAD A TEAM TO THE FINALS without any Hall of Famer, All Star or Great coach. Every other great never made the playoffs with a winning record or never made it. Let that sink in. MJ lost to The Celtics with 3 HoFers on it, with Bird being the only good one. LeBron has taken the Celtics to 6 and 7 games respectfully by himself in the 2nd and 3rd round of the Finals going against all UPPER TIER HoFers, KG-MVP, Truth, ATL scorer of The Celtics and Ray Gun, The greatest Clutch shooter in league history. MJ was swept by pink dudes in the 1st round and he became infamous behind it. Make that make sense!
There were other players to root for if not him cause the era was too loaded. Nowadays we got role players getting franchise player level money. Everyone sucks now.
At this point I'm over it when it comes to LeBron. Nick Wright, Ryan Hollins, Colin Cowherd can say whatever dumb stuff they want but the fact is they can't push the LeBron narrative without seriously downplaying what EVERY other great player did. The fact is, if you need to take shots at guys like Kobe and MJ to bring your boy up a notch then it shows you really don't have an argument, all you have is ignorance and bias.
Hey, I hear your argument, but you still don't get it.....LeBron wasn't collecting stars to do what other so-called great players didn't do, LeBron was and is THAT GREAT that he never picked LOTTERY for 3-5 years like them. He was in Cleveland! Have you ever been? In LA, Chicago and Miami are places anyone would love to play ball. All these great players as great as they were and ae picked LOTTERY! Shaq got the #1 next year, MJ picked Lottery 4 years in a row, Kobe got Shaq and Phil, Durant picked Lottery 4X, Steph picked 4 years in the Lottery. Those are Super Teams! All those LOTTERY picks and they somehow had a better team than LeBron. How was he supposed to compete due to him being SO GREAT? Sit back and think about this...LeBron is the ONLY PLAYER TO LEAD A TEAM TO THE FINALS without any Hall of Famer, All Star or Great coach. Every other great never made the playoffs with a winning record or never made it. Let that sink in. MJ lost to The Celtics with 3 HoFers on it, with Bird being the only good one. LeBron has taken the Celtics to 6 and 7 games respectfully by himself in the 2nd and 3rd round of the Finals going against all UPPER TIER HoFers, KG-MVP, Truth, ATL scorer of The Celtics and Ray Gun, The greatest Clutch shooter in league history. MJ was swept by pink dudes in the 1st round and he became infamous behind it. Make that make sense!
I hate the disrespect Kobe gets. I have never seen such disrespect to a player like Kobe. Kobe was the reason I wanted to watch every NBA game. My favorite player all time is Tim Duncan, but Kobe was a bigger draw. Now a days, I don't get interested to watch these players except for Giannis and Joker. To me, there were 5 best players in the world since 1999. Shaq (1999-2002), Duncan (2003-2005), Kobe (2006-2011), LeBron (2012-2020), Joker (2021-present). LeBron, Curry and all these American stars don't wow me the way Kobe and Duncan did.
@@phillyphan1346 Shaq also only has 1 MVP. Does Shaq win those rings without Kobe? Kobe won 2 rings without Shaq and Shaq only won 1 ring without Kobe and was carried by the 3rd greatest SG ever.
People always talk about the hate LeFlop gets. It is nothing compared to the hate Kobe gets and he is 10x the player LeBrick is. If LeBronze is your GOAT you clearly don't care about winning, sportsmanship or integrity.
Funny how Bronsexuals NEVER have a counter to Chael Sonnens HGH and EPO steroid, performance enhancing drug claims 😂😂😂 Kobe is WAYYYY better than LeExcuses
@@gggyy7104that’s what I’m saying 😂, Lebron literally beats Kobe in every statistical category except for free throw shooting percentage, also Kobe was a better mid range shooter but Lebron was a better 3 point shooter for his career.
The Kobe disrespect started as soon as klutch media got involved. Back then the goat arguments was always MJ vs Kobe regardless if we all knew it was MJ. Then klutch got tv time and started slowly disrespecting Kobe to push the goat debate for LBJ. The whole “Kobe was never the best player in the league” was driven by klutch. It’s also the same folks who had MJ as their goat and Kobe not far behind, when the klutch checks cleared they went from that to LBJ being the goat. Only media who disrespect past legends/current players just to prop up LBJ. They especially hate when actual athletes pick Kobe over LBJ, they can’t stand it which is why they trash him even after his death and LBJ never says a damn thing why? Bc that’s his media.
Good point because you never hear LeBron say anything about the disrespect. AI, Stephen Jackson and others on pods and interviews be stopping interviews to stop Kobe hate but LeBron only talks about he great his self is lol
@@asundelgun3487 lol exactly he only knows how to pat himself on the back, The only time I’ve seen him go at the media was when they were criticizing him but dude is mute when it comes to his rivals or teammates.
MJ vs Kobe wasn't a debate, sadly, after Kobe got hurt. When it was clear he would not win a 2nd MVP (even though I think he should have gotten 3 anyway) or a 6th ring, and he would not fare well in his last seasons. The GOAT debate can still be had with Kareem, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Magic. It isn't limited to Jordan vs LeBron.
Honestly, the NBA media in particular is pretty disgusting. While he was alive they all compared him to MJ and buttered him up at all possible moments, now the man is dead and the vultures are trying to tear apart his reputation, the only thing that remains. Now I never was a particular Kobe fan but he played the game the right way. While I never supported the Lakers I have to say that just because of his incredible work ethic I consider Kobe the greatest and most professional athlete to have ever lived. And while I do not participate in these GOAT discussions, as I consider them nonsensical at every level, one thing can’t be ignored. From all these players listed, Kobe might have had the least advantages regarding his body. Yes he was phenomenal but compared to an LBJ he was far less gifted in that regard and still he got 100% of his potential out of himself. If we judge players at all shouldn‘t we judge them based on what they did given the opportunities and chances they had? If you judge by this metric Kobe often will come out on top.
Media glorifying losses like it's equivalent to rings and accolades. History will be ugly for LeBron when he retires. Media will be kissing Curry, Giannis or Wemby's a** and diminish Bron like what they did to Kobe.
Kobe was easily the best player in the world between the 05-06 to 09-10 seasons. During that 5 season period, no one accomplished as much as him: 2 scoring titles, 1 MVP, 3 Finals trips, 2 Rings, and 2 FMVPs; all while being 1st team all nba, and 1st team all defense.
HOW is that even possible..he barely made the play-offs in 2006 and in 2007 ahahahha and in 2009 and 2010 he wasnt even the best player on his team... oh you think best player is the one who shoots more...
@onlyfacts3178 Gasol couldn't even average 20 points, while being a significantly inferior defender to Kobe who was a Shooting Guard in 09 and 10. The idea that Kobe wasn't the best on his team in 09 and 10 is hilarious. But hey man, stay delusional 😂
@@BlackPanther-nv2dy 1. I don't think Kobe is the GOAT, as I have Michael Jordan as the GOAT. 2. The myth that Kobe was inefficient in scoring is hilarious. Kobe literally has 55% career True Shooting percentage, which is on par with Tim Duncan, and better than Kevin Garnett; two players that we will never call inefficient.
@@BlackPanther-nv2dywhat will you say when Lebron passes Kobe for most career missed shots all time? Because it looks like that will happen if he plays the next 2 seasons. Maybe even next year if he keeps his current 22.2 attempts per game and plays at least 55 games like he did this past year. He would’ve done it this year had he not gotten injured. He’s also the all time leader in turnovers, but no one would say that Lebron is a bad ball handler. Y’all use these longevity stats all wrong. You play 20 years as a volume scorer, you’re bound to miss some shots.
Kobe is underrated, he is better than all those players and would beat them on a game of 1 on 1. Kobe has a better record and more successful than those other players.
Kobe played in the toughest decade in the NBA, 2001-2010, and dominated. That decade is the lowest scoring average for teams because of defense but he was still getting his buckets.
Kobe was my favourite player and I watched all his playoffs games and many of his greatest regular season games, still I don't have him in my top 5 and it's not a matter of disrespect. In my opinion he is clearly below Jordan, Kareem, LeBron, Magic and Bird. Then I also put Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain above him, but it's obviously difficult to compare them. I have him after Tim Duncan, at 9 all-time, just before Shaq and Hakeem (my 2nd favorite all-time player to watch). It's not useful to deal in superlatives when we're talking about all-time greats and you don't need to attack someone or to belittle a player to put another one on a pedestal. Of these players I named for my top 11, Kobe might be the one with the more "normal" physical attributes and therefore the one we sympathize with the most. Plus he was way more elegant with the ball in his hands than LeBron, to me. Lastly, he died a young superstar, a dad beloved byhis daughters, alongside one of them, and his tragic loss makes him that much more valuable in our eyes. Still, I do not rank him top 5 ever.
@@IrfanhillI can understand where you are coming from but for me I have Kobe at the third best player. The eye test, the mamba mentality and never sitting out for games even when he is injured. 1 MJ 2 Kareem 3 Kobe 4 Magic 5 Bird 6 Shaq 7 TD 8 Lebron 9 Hakeem Olajuwon 10 Oscar Robertson
The "Kobe Haters" forgot how Kobe finished 2nd in MVP voting twice after winning back to back titles with the Lakers. Proving that "Kobe Haters" were a real thing. The media's love of LeBron and hatred of Kobe probably originates from the Colorado incident. After Shaq left the Lakers, Kobe was the best player in the league for the next several years by a long way, don't get it twisted.
It didn’t help that the Lakers had a lot of locker room fighting and they got upset by the Detroit Pistons in the NBA Finals. Shortly after Phil Jackson quit as head coach too. Shaq got traded from the Lakers and Shaq heavily criticized Kobe. Back in 2004, Shaq was a significantly bigger star than Kobe too.
@@opinionsandfaxc Kobe who dropped 81 during this period. Avg 34/gm one season and dropped 50 pts in 4 straight games playing with Smush Parker and Kwame Brown bro. Yeah he was the best player in the universe by far, not Steve Nash.
@@infiniteuniverse9528 that's one season lmfaoo and smush Parker wasn't even bad for a role player he averaged more than 11ppg from 2005 to 2007 unfortunately Kobe treated him like ass and instead of doing simple research everyone in the media just went with it and harassed him cause whatever kob said sometimes was treated like the gospel. and Kwame brown wasn't a scorer either it's easier for someone to score if everyone around him can't score and he takes most the shots..if he had Melo on his team he wouldn't have averaged more than 30 or even 25
@@opinionsandfaxc Kwame was a #1 overall draft pick and a total bust. Kobe did not join up with Kyrie, Bosh, Wade, Love, Davis and Allen to take short cuts like LeBron did. Instead he stayed in LA to prove he could win titles without Shaq.
I hated Kobe when he played, but even I have to admit that from 2008 to 2010 he was clearly the best player in the NBA. He took his Lakers to 3 straight NBA finals with Pau Gasol being his Pippen and the only other star player on those teams.
@@keithjoseph128 Two of three centers in the league for the lakers? so you think Gasol and Bynum were in the top three? why are you over exaggerating the Lakers centers bro? Gasol (an argument can be made for him being in the top 5) nor Bynum were better than Dwight Howard, Tim Duncan, Al Jefferson, Chris Bosh or Yao Ming during that time, and I'm willing to argue that Andrew Bogut and Al Horford were just as good if not slightly better than Bynum during that stretch. also, Odam won the sixth-man award in 2011.
@@sdb7092 first off you're mixing up your years with the two centers you named, considering one was retired and one missed most of those each of those seasons. Then you prove my point by throwing in PFs who could play center because the league WAS that pathetic at that position. So that leaves the guy with zero offensive game who you brought up. That makes two of three, not just on the same team but I. The same starting lineup. What next? Kobe was clutch?
@@keithjoseph128 "first off you're mixing up your years with the two centers you named, considering one was retired and one missed most of those each of those seasons. " Who was retired and who missed most of those season pleas elaborate. if you are talking about Yao? he retired in 2011. and in 2008 he played 55 games and 77 in 2009 season, he missed the entirety of the 2010 season due to injury, but had he played he still be the better center than Gasol and Bynum. also, I find it very hypocritical that you have an issue with games other centers played when Bynum during those three seasons played 35 games in 08, 50 in 09 and 65 in 2010. so, by your own logic... why are you claiming he's a top 3 when he missed so many games in those three seasons? "Then you prove my point by throwing in PFs who could play center because the league WAS that pathetic at that position." How does this prove your point if they are playing better at the center position than natural centers? whether they are natural center or not they played the position well enough... and better than both Bynum and Gasol. btw, Gasol has played just as many seasons as a PF than he has at center. so, let's not pretend like those two positions aren't interchangeable. "So that leaves the guy with zero offensive game who you brought up. That makes two of three, not just on the same team but I. The same starting lineup. What next? Kobe was clutch?" Like I said, this is a silly argument, because whether the player was a PF at some time in their career is irrelevant because at that point in time they were playing the center position therefore they were CENTERS. again, let's not be ignorant and pretend like players positions don't change based on either the team needs... or the player age. Jordan was a SG for most of his career. but when he came back with the Wizards he was moved to the SF position. same with Tim Ducan and so many other players. it's part of the game. so, your point here is moot.
@@keithjoseph128 Games played from 08-10 seasons. Dwight Howard 82/79/82 games. Tim Duncan 78/75/77 games. Al Harford 81/67/81 games. Al Jefferson 82/50/76 games. Chris Bosh 67/77/70 games. Pau Gasol 66/81/65 games Andrew Bogut 78/36/69 games. Andrew Bynum 35/50/65 games. Yao Ming 55/77/00 games. as you can see, outside of Yao, every other center played more games per season than Bynum during that stretch. so why is this an issue for the other centers but not Bynum? also, Yao was an all-star/all-nba in the 08-09 seasons and would have continued his dominance had he not hurt his foot. also. Yao retired in 2011... so, if anyone has mixed up years, it's you.
@@onlyfacts3178 4-6 swept 2x in the finials joined Miami superteam to win not 1 not 2 not 3 not 4 not 5 not 6 not 7 owned by (curry/kd/ Dirk/Duncan/Kawhi/Jokic) honorable mentions Dwight Howard/Paul Pierce
It has become mainstream to re-write history, which is very much wicked. Kobe was considered the overall best for years by most people in the media, and people I was around. I Was There.
Tim Duncan was better for the first 10ish years of their rivalry and when Kobe was better than Tim (even that is not necessarily true), Lebron was better than Kobe. Kobe was never the undisputed best player in the league. If he's not better than Timmy then he's not higher than 8 all time. Now I do think Kobe gets way too much hate because he's still one of the greatest ever.
Tim Duncan was never considered the goat but Kobe was and still is TIM DUNCAN TRASH SYSTEM PLAYER THATS IT NOTHING SPECIAL AND NEVER 3peat or 2 peat. BUT KOBE DID😂 CARRIED BY A YOUNG Kawhi Leonard😂😂😂😂😂
Kobe was the best player on Earth from 2003 to 2011, in my opinion. There are 2 things that pushed this disrespectful BS narrative against Kobe since 2005. 1. The media didn't like him. 2. Leflop James fans and Klutch Sports viewed him as a serious threat to their king. Same with Curry and KD. So they ferociously pushed the narrative the Leflop was better than anybody else from 2003 to today. Fn clowns.
Facts! 💯 It is very disgusting to know LeFakeKing would stoop that low to fund his own media just to keep pushing his "GoAtZ" narrative. It's even more disgusting that even if his LeFake's bronsexuals knew about this fact, they are so deeply brainwashed they still follow that BS narrative even up to this very day! A lot of us also know that those are fake tears when he "found" out Mamba died. A lot of already know its a lot deeper than what is being said on the surface. Fake King and his fake kingdom.
Another fun Kobe fact, Between 05-07 he lead the league in scoring, and also made first team all defense. I also count 2008 as well because even though LeBron was the scoring leader in PPG Kobe led the league in total points scored. The only other player to do that is Michael Jordan who did it 9x. So at the very least Kobe has a strong case for being the best player between 05-08
I agree 2009 Kobe was the best version. He was robbed of mvp that year. He had the best record in the west which was a tougher conference, his lakers beat the cavs in both meetings and the Celtics in both meetings and made it to the nba finals. HE WAS ROBBED and this is why I hate the media. They hated Kobe and always have which is why I’m glad he went in to win the chip the chip that year and the next and win finals mvp.
If you actually watched Kobe (and aren't a media hack) you know damn well he was the best player in the NBA from 2003-2010 and was top 10 from 2000-2003. The Olympic team was still struggling with Bron until who showed up in 2008...Kobe Bean Bryant.
@@opinionsandfaxc I Agree but acting like Iverson and Tim Duncan weren't on that team is not fair to the Lebrons and Kobe why Tim get let off the hook so easy he really not cut like that when Pop not coaching him
Another note, Kobe Used the Free throw alot to get most of his points too. Since in the era that he played in it was by far the Slowest paced defensive era. He even mentioned this, where he would Use alot of ways to draw fouls and stop the oponents momentum, or To get fouls in the 4th quater to Tie the game or win the game With free throws, because their FREE POINTS, no ones is In you're way and you're wide open. And of course in order to get free throws you have to sacrifice you're field goal percentage alot. But Kobe really Used this to his advantage.
Serious question, if Shaq doesn't get to play with Kobe does he end up like Wilt with only one or two rings? How much did he win with Penny Hardway and Nick Anderson? They played together for 3 seasons and won NOTHING. Funny, the world seems to think ANYBODY could've won with prime Shaq and yet Shaq was getting swept without Kobe DESPITE playing with Nick Van Axel and Eddie Jones BOTH ALL STAR GUARDS. So if the combination of Eddie Jones and Nick Van Axel couldn't do it, I doubt Penny was gonna do it considering how INJURY prone he was. How come Shaq couldn't win without Kobe on ALL OF THOSE YEARS before AND after Kobe (yeah, he won ONE with Wade but that was in an eastern conference with no competition)? How come Kobe won more WITHOUT Shaq than Shaq won without Kobe? Excuses in 3...2...1. Kobe took Pau Gasol, a player who never even averaged 20 PPG ONCE playing with Kobe from 2007 to 2010 to THREE STRAIGHT FINALS in the West against the dynastic Spurs, Dirks Mavs, Denver and a loaded west that MULTIPLE TIMES had 50 win teams as 8th seeds. Nuance is necessary. Nuance. Kobe was a LOCK DOWN defender too (most all nba defense selections of any perimeter player in NBA HISTORY - ironic because he gets dinged for his lack of regular season MVPS which are voted on by the exact same journalists). Does Penny do what Kobe did in Game 7 vs Pippens Portland Trailblazers in the 2000 WCSF where at the age of 21 (21!!!!!) Kobe OUTSCORED AND OUTREBOUNDED Shaq in the most IMPORTANT game of that entire 3 peat (No Kobe heroics in Game 7 = No Ring in 2000 = No Dynasty). I have several SPECIFIC examples that debunk your point but I dont want to waste time typing. 5 Rings > Your Favorite Player (except for MJ) Kobe is UNDERRATED not overrated lol. Shaq is a tad overrated. Huge 4th quarter liability and Lazy. If he had a real worth ethic he'd REALLY considered the GOAT by many. Why couldn't Shaq really win much without Kobe? PLEASE explain. I'm all ears. 😂
shaq and Kobe needed each other..and you don't have to score 20ppg to be considered good..Gasol led in win shares for the lakers from 2008-09 season all the way through 2013 and KOBE HIMSELF admitted without Pau the lakers don't end up with anything in 2009 or 2010...and Kobe was not a lock down defender..he was a good one but not lock down..and lakers actually were either worse or negligibly better at defense when Kobe was on the floor...but they both needed each other...and shaq wasn't lazy Kobe just worked out a lot more...shaq also had fun in other ways
@@christiansoldier77 Bronsexuals LOVE hypotheticals. It's ALWAYS: "Would've, should've, couldve..." _insert excuse here_ How old was Penny when he played with Shaq? 21 How old when Kobe WON A RING with Shaq? 21 What's Penny's excuse? First Finals they were in, they won. How come Shaq couldn't "carry," Penny? How come Shaq couldn't "carry," Eddie Jones and Nick The Quick Van Axel? 😂🤫 Now I know why you're a fan of LeExcuses James 😂.
@@christiansoldier77 P.S. Penny was ALWAYS injury prone. So your entire premise is fallacious to begin with. It's like arguing Len Bias would've been better than MJ if he didn't die of a Coke overdose 🙄
@@opinionsandfaxc You can't be serious. What is this pseudointellectual drivel? 😂 Einstein, how are win shares computed? What do they purport to measure? Does the thing WS purports to measure accurately measure that thing? Can we find several counterexamples of players with higher Win Shares but who clearly weren't the driving force of the ACTUAL WINS? How precisely does WS accurately measure DEFENSE which, we all agree, is 50% of the game? Lest you expose yourself as a pseudointellectual Kobe Hater grasping at a modicum of "advanced analytics" to prove that Kobe is, somehow, overrated despite 5 rings with widely different supporting casts, you're going to have to disabuse me of the aforementioned counterpoints. You won't succeed. How did Pau do before AND after Kobe? What did Pau do when the Lakers lost Kobe to his achilles injury that season, which, if I remember correctly, was still "Prime" Pau? What did Pau do before Kobe? (SAME EXACT player on the Grizzlies just on a different team). Oh, that's right, Pau couldn't win a single PLAYOFF GAME let alone series. How many ALL NBA Defense Teams has Pau made? That's right ZERO. Pau could've been replaced with Zach Randolph (who, since you have a penchant for statistical fetishization, actually had a better rebound rate than Pau in his prime), and the results would've been the EXACT same. Give Kobe prime LaMarcus Aldridge (who, last time I checked, actually put up more 40 point games than Pau did when they were in the NBA together), and he wins 2 rings. And then people like you could invoke PER, or VORP, or some other algorithm, that supported your pre-existing biases. Joel Embid is top 4 ALL TIME in PER so therefore Joel Embid is a top 4 all time player. Since you're effectively using decontextualized stats like that to assert your point, you should agree with that proposition (you know, since Pau led in win shares). Oh wait, there are bums with higher VORP and PER and Win Shares than consensus legends, NO WAYYYYYYYY!!!! "There are three types of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." - Mark Twain Kobe is the GOAT imo. And I don't need Win Shares to tell me that. If stats are the ultimate arbiter, Wilt IS the GOAT and, frankly, it's not even close (and they didn't even count blocks and steals back in the day lmao). Peace.
The disrespect since he died has been sickening honestly, Kobe was great. One of the greatest to ever do it, thank you for this video. I was just telling someone the other day the kobe disrespect is out of pocket.
Numbers don’t always tell the whole story. Remember in 2000 Kobe got Jalen Rosed. Game 2 he had that horrific injury with his ankle. So he missed game 3, what happened? The Lakers lost. Came back for game 4, when a lot of players would never comeback including Shaq with that type of significant ankle injury. Then what happened in game 4? Shaq fouls out and the rest his history which is what got Kobe’s fame. You get your name in the regular season but you get your fame in the playoffs, finals. So had Kobe not taken over game 4 that series would of been tied 2-2 and it’s any team’s series at that point so Shaq’s 36 points and 20 plus rebounds don’t matter had the Lakers lost that game 4. And I remind you that game 3 and 4 was in Indiana. Also remember Kobe was 21 years old when he took over game 4 too and he was hitting jump shots in that overtime also on Reggie Miller with his own move that he taught Kobe at UCLA. Also look 👀 at game 7 in the Western Conference Finals against Portland Kobe had better numbers than Shaq in that game too. So had Kobe not showed up for game 7 in the WCF’S we would not have seen the Lakers in the NBA Finals in 2000. At the end of the day Kobe won more chips without Shaq than Shaq won chips with Kobe and Shaq was lucky to get that last one. He got traded to a good team who had Wade County while Kobe had to start at the bottom to get to the top. Like Kobe said I got one more than Shaq and you can take that to the bank.
"would've been tied 2-2" doesn't mean it would've been over...and Kobe got traded to the lakers lmfaoo ...and "numbers don't always tell the whole story" but you would use numbers for your argument to prove Kobe taking over game 4 in 2000 finals which is contradictory
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ESPN NEVER SHOWED KOBE LOVE, ESPN IS WORSE MSNBC. They love LeBron though because he’s always made them a part of his career. The Decision really sealed their relationship.
To me Kobe was the best from 2001-2012 until he tore his Achilles and the way he walked off that court still sinking 2 free throws is immortal like. The GOATs will always be debated otherwise we’d all have nothing to talk about right? I saw Jordan play , I saw Kobe play and I see Lebron play. Those are the 3 greatest right there. The media never liked Kobe. He wasn’t warm and fuzzy , wasn’t a goofball, didn’t have a nice guy kinda face and wasn’t very charismatic, he just busted his ass for his entire career not caring what people thought of him. He’ll always be my favorite player. RIP Kobe.
@@cesarcastrojr4903LOL that's what happens when you've been dominating the ball running your own offense throughout your entire career. And what have those "overall stats" produced, 4 chips in 20 years??? 😂
@@cesarcastrojr4903😂😂😂😂 BRON shoots BELOW 36% from the field on ALL shots outside of 3 feet from the rim. Atrocious. And it got exposed in ALL his Finals losses. Lebron for the FINALS shoots 30% in the 4th quarter when he cant get bailed out by refs on bully ball drives to the rim. 😂😂😂 Why doesn't he have more rings? LeExcuses in 3...2...1. And dont be dumb and bring up Robert Horry 😂😂😂
If Kobe not in your top 5 sorry I cannot take you seriously on anything basketball. This man won not 1 but two rings without a top 75er. The Spurs never repeated thanks to one man. Kobe Bean Lebron needed 3 HOFers to beat the Spurs. Kobe only needed Pau
Kobe was the very best at creating shots for himself and was one of the best defenders of his era, but his field goal percentage was bad and he hogged the ball. He relied almost entirely on iso play and took lots of ill-advised, low-percentage shots. But he was fearless, and his championship victories speak for themselves.
All you have to do is listen to players talk about Kobe and they sound like children in awe. Guys that played with him. Guys that thought they could hang with him all sound the same.
The clowns that be dissing kobe never played a game in their lives ..and we all can see that they are doing it because they are getting paid to say what they're saying cause it sells
First ring stats dont tell whole story as game 7 vs blazers kobe had 25 11 7 and 4 blocks 4 steals while shaq had 18 and 9!!it was kobe who lead game 7 comeback vs blazers which who knows what happens if they lose??no dynasty??game 2 vs pacers kobe goes down early with ankle injury and he only had 2 points that game so that killed his stats for series.. he also missed the next game which lakers lost without him!!his numbers look bad because you have a game registering only 2 points..in a 4 game series will make ya numbers look worse..Also game 4 lakers lose without kobe when shaq fouls out and kobe takes over in overtime!!!!game winner with 1.7 left!!Kobe was best player on both ends of floor in nba from 2001-2011 and that 1 season he missed playoffs in 2005 they forget he only played 41 games!!he was injured most that year but played thru it but nobody was scoring like that and making all nba defense teams and kobe early 2000 defense is so underated he was a menace!!
It’s sad really, how you have bron as a top 5 important laker and leave shaq out? It just goes to show you how bad things are and they continue to force feed us nonsense but the fact is Lebron is a top 5 player but by no means is he in the top 3 with the kind of help he’s had over his career and basically having a player agency to choose who he wants on his team
I feel like I’m one of the only people who’s notice that all lebron fans used to at one point be die hard Kobe fans, but because they bandwagon they all just left him behind.
2:01 what source did you use to get these stats? How did you calculate them? It looks like you took the season stats and the playoff stats and got your results but I wasn’t able to duplicate them so I just wanted to ask.
The proof is in the pudding. Any team LeBron ever had, Kobe and Jordan would have excelled to even higher levels than they did in their own careers with. The difference is in skill. The ability to take someone off the dribble with handles or quickness and still have the ability to stop on a dime and hit a pull up or a spin back jumper, that is something LeBron does not possess. LeBron has never had the ability to consistently get and hit his own pull up jumper especially from midrange. He also doesn't have a dependable low post game that he can go to in the clutch or to control tempo. Kobe, Jordan, even Westbrook all have great post games and average to above average pull up jumpers and they've all had multiple seasons of higher points seasons. Durant, Karl Malone, Dominique Wilkins, KD, of course Jordan had like 6 seasons where he scored more than LeBrons career high. LeBron played the long game with all his stats and now he's doing it with his season averages by load managing and stat padding, staying in games down by 20p, slacking on defense and collecting garbage buckets. Now he only has to score 1,695 points a season and it looks like he averaged 30ppg cuz he misses like 20 games a season lol
in the 09-10 season kobe hit 10 game winning shots in the season... without these they'd be an 8 seed with no homecourt in the playoffs. Yet he "isn't clutch". smfh.
he hit 10 game winning shots in the season because he was the only one shooting them lmaoo...he missed the overwhelming majority of them...he was 7-28 in game winning or tying shots with 24 sec or less left
Lebron is 4-6 in the finals, 22-33 overall record Kobe is 5-2 and 23-14 overall MJ is 6-0 and 24-11 Lebron had Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, Davis, and a host of other decent to good players AND still lost Nothing else needs to be said about where the SELF proclaimed “king” ranks on the list of all time greats
your talking about team accomplishment and the highlights only. if you want to uuse that as a metric the goat conversation should include more Russell, Tim, and magic what's about those 5x the Lakers missed the playoffs on kobe watch? I know he was hurt for 1 but the others?? what about mj teams not being over .500 5x? I know he was hurt 1x but the others?? LeBron's missed playoffs and .500 3x. 1x as a rookie and 2x injury.
Kobe won the most all nba def and offense and scored rhe most points from 2000-2010 over duncan dirk shaq iverson lebron and for lebron from 2004-2014 kobe still scored more .
Since 1979 Introducing the modern era with the 3 point line Kobe Bryant is the only NBA Superstar to win the NBA finals in Game 4 02' Game 5 01' 09' Game 6 00' & Game 7 10' Fun Fact LeBron James has the most loses in the nba Finals since 1979 with 33 out of 55 games played so 22/55 wins -33 loses= 40% what else is 40%??? His Finals series record 4-6!
@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270The difference is Lebron is 4th in assists and 1st in turnovers whereas Kobe is 1st in missed shots yet is only 7th in made shots. Lebron has a higher assist to turnover ratio than Kobe so your argument doesn’t work
There was a time after Shaq left that it was Kobe against the entire NBA. That's how good he was. Constant MVP chants in other teams arenas. But the reason these sports analysts started to down grade Kobes accolades was so they could prop up Lebron. I remember when the NBA was trying to hype up a potential Kobe vs Lebron in the finals with the Puppets. Kobe made it to the finals but LeBron was booted by the Celtics. Now the Celtics did beat the Lakers in the finals too with their big 4 in KG, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, and Rajon Rondo. But the Lakers did come back the following year in 2009 and followed it up with a 2nd championship in 2010. But you can't acknowledge this because it's a mark on lebron who still couldn't make it out the east until he created his own superteam in Miami and then the media expects us to crown lebron as the greatest as if he carried a team all on his own like an alpha. I don't reward guys that look for easy ways to win. I reward guys who never give up and never back down from any challenger and that was Kobe. After Jordan, all people talked about was Kobe. Kobe is the next Jordan or better. Kobe is the best player in the NBA and he was unstoppable. Then all of a sudden it was like ok enough chatter about Kobe. Lets start hyping Lebron. If you keep mentioning Kobe then how are we going to push this weak minded pussy named Lebron who will throw his entire team under the bus when they lose and take all the credit as a solo artist on a team full of stars when they win as the GOAT. These cheerleaders have done such a good job that nthese dumb kids actually bought into it but no. Kobe is and willl forever be better than Lefraud.
Everyone knows lebron was ducking Kobe in 2009 so his image as the next great wouldn’t get ruined. He knew Kobe would’ve beaten and exposed him as the incomplete inferior player in comparison to him. So lebron gave up and got smoked by the Magics. Then Kobe beat that same team in the next round without a superteam or top 75 player…
In my opinion from 05/06-09/10 Kobe was the unquestioned best player in the league And even the most completely brainded Kobe hater has to admit that from 07/08-09/10 Kobe was the best He won the MVP 2x Fmvps 3 straight finals (in a tougher conference) So why will anyone who's not obtuse question Kobe's #1 status
Kobe was the best from 2001 to 2013, according to NBA GMS who were polled during that period. On the annual "Which Player in the NBA Do You Fear The Most?" Kobe was the #1 choice amongst 32 GMs from 2001 to 2013! FACT.
@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270 I'm not completely in disagreement I'm just showing you the years where to me he was the unquestioned best player. No doubts and no contest
Kobe argument to be the GOAT, is stronger than LBJs. Kobe was a better shooter, better defender…actually all the arguments as to why MJ is better than Lebron. Kobe was great in an incredibly difficult west coast conference when all the MVPs played for his opposition(when he didn’t win).
@@BlackPanther-nv2dy45% is the field goal percentage not shooting percentage. Field goals include dunks and layups which is not shooting. Kobe was a better midrange shooter He shot 43% from 10-16 feet and 40.2% from 16 feet-3pt line. Lebron shot 36.7% from 10-16 feet and 38.6% from 16 feet-3pt line. Kobe was also a much better free throw shooter. Kobe shot 84%from the free throw line, while Lebron only 73.5%. From the 3pt line their shooting percentage is the same in the playoffs so overall Kobe was a better shooter
@@BlackPanther-nv2dyAndre Drummond(54%) has a HIGHER CAREER FG% than Lebron James (50%). So by your logic he's a better scorer and shooter than Lebron? 😂😂😂😂😂 Therefore, according to psuedointellectuals who say silly things like "stats don't lie," Andre Drummon is a more EFFICIENT player and scorer than Lebron James. See, Bronsexuals, anybody can use stats to create, within reason, ANY narrative they want. Andre Drummond > Lebron because he shoots a higher Career FG%. See how DUMB you pseudointellectual clowns look when you deploy statistical reductionism without ANY consideration for the various strengths and weaknesses of the very stats you call to your aid? Do you understand the strengths and weaknesses of various algorithms like VORP, Box +/-, PER, or even basic rate stats like Defensive Rebounds (which tell you nothing about what percentage of them were contested defensive rebounds vs UNCONTESTED defensive rebounds)? 😂😂😂 Kobe > Lebron
@@BlackPanther-nv2dyAndre Drummond ACCORDING TO YOUR LOGIC is a better scorer than LEBRON James because Drummond shoots 54% to Brons 50%. Got it. 😂😂😂😂 Bronsexuals cant use logic. Oh and let's not talk about the NBA LEADER in TURNOVERS 😂😂😂😂, way worse than a missed shot.
