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That was 2009🤦♂️ And that's not entirely true either because many players received hefty bonuses on top of the min salary, which factors in after the season, counting against the following year's cap
@shaggyfrankdizzl close, but wrong. While performance bonuses count against the salary cap, teams are permitted to exceed the salary cap due to performance bonuses, to a maximum of 7.5% of the Salary Cap. If a team exceeds the Salary Cap due to performance bonuses, then any amount over the Salary Cap is considered a Bonus Carryover, and counts against the cap in the next season. Signing bonuses are paid up front or on July 1 of a contract year.
If the Toronto Maple Leafs do not win during the Matthews-Marner-Tavares-Nylander era, this can be looked at as a cautionary tale of why you shouldn’t ruin your chances by signing the most expensive FA to make a splash
It should be seen as a cautionary tale that you can’t win in the playoffs with a soft skill laden top 6. Your top 6 has to have tough skill. Marchand, Tkachuk, Bertuzzi, etc.
Life long Leafs fan here. And I agree with what you’re saying, somewhat. I see the correlation between the deals you’re talking about. But I truly believe Dubas could not do what he really wanted to do in Toronto. I would bet my life savings he did not have the final say in Toronto. That said, I don’t think he’s anywhere near genius, but I don’t think he’s a bad general manager by any stretch. Either way, interesting piece here, Rob.
Adding to this, it's not like this offseason has indicated any change in direction despite the GM change. Not that its been a bad offseason by any stretch, but the makeup of the team itself doesn't really hint at things changing in a major way now that Dubas is in Pittsburgh. Core 4 is still there with seemingly no plans to trade them, Keefe's still in charge despite his record in the playoffs, even the guys they brought in are similar to ones they let go, even if they're improvements on the same tyle. If Dubas was the one in control why would they fire him only to keep taking pages from his playbook? He's far from perfect, I see him in the good-but-not-great category of GMs in the league right now, but as you said I wouldn't be surprised if at least a handful of his more problematic deals weren't necessarily ones he would have made on his own
@@violetbluejayFirstly, the off season moves by tre were marginal at best to laughable at worst. Secondly, we only need to see Dubas' handy work in Pitts to ascertain his skill level as a GM. i've been watching pitts all year, what a MESS.
As much as I hate Pittsburgh as a rival, Dubas did undo most of the damage done by the Hextall-Burke era with the Karlsson trade. To add on, is it really Dubas' fault that Matthews and Marner basically disappear come playoff time?
@@eriklakeland3857 For the reasons stated in the video I am thankful Dubas was finally fired as Leafs' GM. He should've been after the embarrassing loss of a 2020 playoff series to the Blue Jackets as he'd learned NOTHING from the loss by the Leafs of the playoff series before that (an opening-round one to the Bruins).
@@TotalCruiserBabe What about Dubas, or even President Shanahan? Yes Shanny overall earned on average over ½ point per non-preseason NHL game during his career as a winger but as an exec with the Leafs has overseen so many players who haven't reached the level of achievement that he did. With Dubas gone, Keefe is indeed on a short leash although whether that means Keefe will have to find a new job in the hockey world at some point during or before July 2024 remains TBD. Who's to say that the hire by Raps' Prez Ujiri of Darko Rajaković to replace Nick Nurse as head coach will do wonders to improve team culture? Sure Sid Seixeiro, on a mid-April episode of City-TV Toronto a.m. show Breakfast TV (video titled "'Embarrassing' - Sid shares his thoughts on this Raptors season," posted on the Breakfast TV RU-vid channel), claimed Nick Nurse had been part of what'd ailed the Raps last NBA-NHL season but problems with that team, evidenced by a blown lead in a play-in game to the Chicago Bulls (the Raps and Bulls having respectively finished 9th and 10th in the East on winning %, thus needing to win 2 straight games just to get to finish, for playoff-qualifying purposes, 8th and thus qualify for the final playoff spot in that conference), are on the team that Bob Webster (GM) and Masai Ujiri (Prez) assembled. It was thus no surprise Seixeiro claimed that the Raps' having last season had "no bench" had rested at Ujiri's and Webster's feet. The above leads me to the title of a recent episode of Locked On Raptors (part of the Locked On Sports' pod network) titled "What should Toronto Raptors head coach Darko Rajakovic's top priority be to open the 2023-24 season?" That question is interesting because the Raps' team that only in June hired him looks quite different than the one that'd lost that April play-in game. That includes the departure of point guard Fred VanVleet, something I hope Leafs' GM Treliving will learn from by trading AM34 or Nylander to get something for either forward, but ideally both.
I dont think Letang is very comparable to Burns in this example. He'll be 37 by next postseason, and lowering his TOI I believe was part of the Penguins plan anyways. Will be better suited in a 2nd pair/PP2 rule as time goes on. I'm very excited going into this season for the Pens
This goes to show how horrible his contract is going to be if true. He is just starting year two of a six (!) year contract where he eats up 6.1 millions of cap space. That's a lot of money for a 2nd pairing defenseman, and given his age, it will only get worse
@@estellegrignon doesn't matter, it's all context, in 3-4 years Penguins will be tanking for first overall. Having veterans on high salaries just make the rebuild faster. But the time Penguins is ready to compete again all those players will be gone/retired.
@@jonah.donohuewhy blame Shanahan? Because he should kept Lou but gave the keys to the castle to wonder boy Dubas? It’s hilarious how many Dubas defenders there are and yet he did absolutely nothing to get the team under the cap (that was LL) the drafting were slam dunks and all he really had to do was fill a roster and not get run over in his young stars initial contracts. He spends like a drunk cashing their paycheck at the bar on pay day. He’s been horrible.
He was gifted a promising young roster rimming with high end talent and just entering their prime. The Leafs had Blue Chip prospects and Draft picks. In Pittsburgh it's the opposite. He's saddled by a aging roster who's best years are far behind them. I think committing to the current core (Crosby,Malkin,Letang) played a role in him getting the GM position in Pitt. Pitt has not much as far as draft picks and prospects right now. I think Dubas is set up to fail in Pitt. They will be good and maybe contend for a season or two still, but that means trading away more assets. in a few seasons it's gonna get ugly.
As a Sens fan, the Toronto moto is to try to win now, they don't seem to have any interest in developing anyone else at the moment which seems to fit with the number of trades they have made in the last few years or loss of youngsters to free agency. Going to be interesting this one with Dubas as I think that he's signed up for more of a project with the Penguins in the next 3 years when all the stars retire, going to be interesting to see how this plays out. Great video as always bud.
Nice video. There are a lot of prospect and prediction videos in the summer so It's nice to see something deeper like this that lays out an interesting opinion for a hockey discussion. With Dubas I like to think about what position the Leafs would be in if he didn't trade picks and just kept most of the young(when he became GM) guys on the team together. They probably would be better off in a sense without a GM and instead just had a contract negotiator. That's a bit of an exaggeration but you get the point that the talent pool he had when he came on to the team was what carried Toronto much more so then his impact on the team.
Great analysis. You hit the nail on the head! Dubas is a fraud. The MapleLeafs will never win the cup, because it is a team effort. Three players who hold 40,2% of the cap cannot be successful. Toronto has no quality on the bottom six, this might suffice to gain a playoff spot, but among the top 16 teams you need four quality lines, a decent defence and a reliable goalie. Many games have been decided by third line, fourth line players, because the top lines neutralize themselves. Vegas has shown it twice (managed to reach the finals to loose against an even deeper Capitals team and now got the cup).
I'm very grateful for having Moritz Seider on my team. Probably one of the few defenseman who can do both roles as an quarterback and as a pure defenseman.
There is a contingent that absolutely worship him. I have no clue why. He has been there for good Toronto teams, but they haven't won in the playoffs. Plus the most important parts on that team weren't drafted by him, and he overpaid them.
Dubas should've been fired the moment he gave Marner $10.9M per year as an RFA, especially when you consider that Rantanen (who had better numbers) signed for $1.5M less a week later. Just an inexcusable overpayment that handicapped the team
A bit of the issue, in Toronto, was that Shanahan held a lot of control over all aspects of the team, even over the GM. With Dubas holding all of that power, in Pittsburgh, now, we'll see what he can do. A big difference between Pittsburgh, and SJ, is that the Pens have the personnel to field lines 1A and 1B, as well as defensive pairings 1A and 1B, thanks to the Karlsson acquisition. I don't see that trade negatively affecting, either, Letang or Karlsson, other than decreasing some ice time, and the likelihood that they get stuck on the ice for far too long.
I’m not worried about Karlsson in Pit. Or that Letang won’t be a good top 4 defensemen. However, NHL teams today are heavily restricted from the salary cap, and having 17 million dollars tied into 2 offensive defensemen is a bit of a head scratcher.
I would argue that Shanahan needed to go. Getting rid of Lou for a rookie GM the year of the biggest signing of the team's future makes no sense on or off paper.
I was neutral towards Dubas, but I hated the JT signing. Not the player, just the AAV. Leafs lost too many good depth pieces. Bringing in Kerfoot and Barrie was unnecessary. Trading away Brown was a bad move, the Sandin trade didn’t need to happen. Leafs would have had a really solid group. The team could have had Brown and Hyman in their top 6 forward group still.
@@mitchelsullivan3118Agree or not, it isn't a puzzle. Sandin, as of now, is not a good defensive player. The Leafs needed to slot in more experienced and defensively minded players. Sandin just didn't fit what they needed at the time.
In the last 10 years, no team has won more playoff games than the TB Lightning. No team has appeared in more Stanley Cup finals than TB. This generations standard for winning culture is located in Tampa Florida, and they aren't done yet.
I think its a little far fetched to call Kyle Dubas a fraud, but his time in Toronto can definitely be seen as a failure. Despite the failure I don't think that makes him a phony.
The first round losses make perfect sense. There is no "analytics" that can advance you through the first round. It takes something that can't be measured. HEART, which they are sorely lacking
For the record, 9:45 you said "The Penguins & Boston Bruins have created the best winning culture in this generation." 🤔🤔 I can agree with Pittsburgh, but Boston!?!? I'm fine with you mentioning Boston but not even including Chicago!?! (who took home 3 Cup's IN 2+ less seasons than PITTSBURGH!!!) Chicago; 3 in 6. Pittsburgh; 3 in 8. Like, bruh Tampa fans should be pissed too, they've seen much more playoff success "this era" Than the Bruins! And usually I'm the one sh*ting on Tampa fans who think their team is somehow on the same level as what Chicago & Pittsburgh has done "THIS GENERATION". 😅💀
In all fairness to Dubas, the only reason the cap hasn't jumped significantly was due to Covid. There's no possible way anyone could have predicted. Which had a huge impact on Toronto's ability to retain depth. With that said, he absolutely overpaid for Tavaras and probably should have been more firm with Matthews and Marner. Granted, I don't think he was getting either to take much less considering their respective seasons when their contracts were up. Not to mention, both knew how important they were to the Leafs. I also think blame needs to be shared between Dubas and the players. Toronto had no business whatsoever losing to Montreal. And I say that as a Habs fan. Even the Boston series, they more or less choked at the last minute. So I think a consideration of blame needs to go around. Pittsburgh, in my opinion, will be the real tell of Dubas' career. If they crash and burn, he'll go down with them.
I agree not seeing enough people mention how much the pandemic made those contracts look even worse than what they were when he signed them. Very interested to see how he does with Pittsburgh this year
Nobody can predict the future which, is why you should never put your team in a position like Dubas put the Leafs. His tenure in Toronto was a case study in arrogance and hubris.
What's this nonsense about the cap not rising? The cap rises and falls for all teams. If a team has 40million dollars in 4 players then that team's ability to pay for depth is reduced regardless of the cap. BECAUSE THE CAP RISES AND FALLS FOR EVERY TEAM!
Hockey is a TEAM sport first and foremost... yes it is nice to have star players, but if you don't have the right people around them it doesn't matter. Toronto and Edmonton have both demonstrated this in recent years. It's not about having two guys or even two lines that can score goals, you also need a solid 3rd and 4th line, solid defense and a good goaltender. If anything, it seems every team making a cup run in recent years has had a goalie who catches fire at just the right time to help carry them... but even a good goalie can't do their job if the defense isn't there to help them out.
Dubas shouldnt get as much credit as some give him for their regular season success or as much blame as he gets for their failures Shanny is still in charge and clearly limiting what he allows hid GMs to do. Dubas isnt a top tier GM or a bottom one. We wont really get to see what he actually is until the Pittsburgh stars retire and he builds his team from the ground up. He needs to stop having a hilarious bias to former Soo Greyhounds though
Great comment! Shanny spoon fed him, built him up, and...he had to check with his wife, and his options. Options? Like you don't owe Shanny? Omg. Not a leafs fan, but wow.
There are a few really fuckin cold takes here. 1 - there has never been a cup winner without at least a few decent stars on it. So no, depth alone does not win cups. You need depth to compliment stars and good goal tending. End of story. 2. You can not blame Dubas or any other GM for not being able to predict a once in a hundred years pandemic would come along and put a full stop on the salary cap for going on 3 years. This is all just criticizing from a historical view point with the advantage of seeing how things turned out. Every single trade or signing or draft pick in the history of sports is just rolling the dice to hope things turn out right. Toronto was a major bust but I can't place that blame on Dubas at all.
Tampa, Colorado and specifically Vegas, have proved that smart hockey minds can construct well balanced championship caliber teams. This formula has been proven, of course you need stars, Vegas also proved that when they acquired Eichel and signed Petro. But they were the missing pieces. If a guy is being paid millions to roll the dice, then man sports has a way to go
yes its 100% a roll of the dice. The Bruins just had the best regular season in history and lost to the number 8 seed. This is literally what makes hockey so great. You don't win the games on paper, you have to actually go out on the ice. Once its on the ice, even the best team can lose to the worst team. Not sure what else to tell ya here. @@RobTalksHockey
Bottom line is everyone knows what the Pens have needed for years now is A)Better Defense B) Steadier Goaltending and C) More Depth. Karlsson offers them none of those and he ensures they won't be able to acquire A, B or C in the near future. So I guess they are going with "Scoring Wins Championships". We shall see.
Can't judge him on players like McCann. He wouldn't be the player he is today if he stayed in Toronto or even Pittsburgh. He would have been buried in the depth chart, a good player, a decent value, but not a first line player getting fifteen points a year on the power play. Had he gone to another team that put him in a third line center role with zero power play time very few people would miss him.
I highly doubt the decision to sign Tavares and resign Matthews and Marner were Dubas' alone. You don't give away that much money without ownership involvement. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he was told to get those guys at any cost. They're marketable superstars in the biggest hockey market. I suspect Dubas' hands were tied
I don’t fault him for signing JT. Tavares was one of the top centers in the game at the time and before signing him our top center was Bozak. Tavares has produced at a point per game every year, so I don’t get why his contract is seen an an albatross.
The guy made Toronto a "not shitty" team and that's an achievement in itself. Mistakes were made of course but it's not his fault the leafs won't win a cup for 10+ still. As for the Karlsson move, he solved a fair bit of problems the previous pens had with that trade. With such an aging roster it's now or never if they want to win. But they need to stay healthy and Letang for all his awesomeness isn't exactly a paragon of health anymore so it makes sense to limit his play time and Karlsson is no stranger to lots of minutes... but not a paragon of health himself. Pens will be dangerous this season and this feels like a hail mary from Dubas. Let's see if injuries breaks it or the fact they don't have a decent goaltender anywhere to be found. As for Dubas, he's active but not more than average. But he surely isn't a fraud.
Monday morning coaching on Vegas, saying they did it right because they were successful. Mark Stone could just as easily not been able to play at all this season, jack Eichel might have never recovered from his neck surgery, the wheels might have fallen off Pietrangelo. Well constructed team, sure, in hindsight and only for now as some of those contracts are scary. But this is also a team that won a cup with exactly 1 [ONE!] player that they drafted themselves in the regular lineup. That has NOT been the way in the cap era. Need to see a bit more proof that the Vegas system of ruthless roster change (so long Reilly Smith) sustains a contender better than a blackhawks/lightning/penguins model of solid drafting (and a sprinkle of superstar). Dubas just didn't build a good enough team outside his lottery picks, especially on D where Morgan Reilly is way over-leveraged as top D.
The problem with your analysis is that you don't control for anything. Was San Jose bad because they had 2 offensive defensemen, or were they bad in spite of them? Prove that, and it will take more than a comment to my post or a 13 minute video just to accomplish that because your video doesn't go anywhere unless you isolate for that. And your argument also fails because Karlsson was likely recovering from injuries during the last few years - something your very video ignores completely. It's not like Karlsson's power play minutes were low - he had as many as many top players when burns was there and when he wasn't. Even in Karlsson's lowest point total seasons, he still played more than say Mitch Marner and others. That's not exactly warming the bench. He had more than enough opportunities to get Norris consideration/trophies - his injuries were likely the much more limiting factor here, not Burns. This is a fact. Also, San Jose's rebuild state of not making the playoffs probably allowed him to be more risky with his plays as well - the coach likely didn't care anymore and gave him the green light. Also, there are advantages to having multiple offensive defensemen on your team, especially if injuries and age are a concern. Toronto got destroyed by Florida because they lacked more offensive puck moving defensemen, which is why they got Klingberg and were in on the Karlsson rumours as well. Dubas would also be well-aware of this as this was a major criticism from top coaches around the league. I think it's fair to say that a lot of the bad decisions Dubas made were probably not made by Dubas alone and Shannahan had a lot to do with it. It's important not just to put sole blame on a GM when you know that organization doesn't give full control to the GM anyway. Toronto hasn't give full control to a GM in quite some time. Also, shame on you for expecting GMs around the league to predict a global pandemic that usurped cap growth expectations given by the league the year before. Shame on you. That is so dishonest. Overall, your video is poorly researched and is just click bait, intended to be taken in by the masses who don't think about this that much. But you and I know the truth - this is a poorly researched video and is probably dishonest just to create clicks.
Tavares and Matthew's are two entirely different players And yes the cap would have gone up, once in a 100 year event... guess everyone should bet on that happening again
Man the irony in what you just said. It was almost exactly 100 years after the Spanish flu, so yeah it was literally a 100 year event conisiding with the Tavares signing. But the point of this video is that it is absurd to bet your teams future on an external factor you have no control over, and I'm dying on this hill haha
The cap would only go up for the Leafs or for every other team too? Tampa would've swept the Leafs this year if they didn't lose half of their team because of the cap.
@@RG-lr4pk Exactly, I'm a Leafs fan but the argument of "well the cap would've gone up without COVID" - yes it would've for all the other teams too. Other teams would've still out competed the Leafs for depth
The reason it didn’t work out in Toronto is because the core players are so greedy and the salary cap being flat screwed things up big time. Pittsburg has better core players at much lower cap hits and the cap will start going up lots more next year
Thank you Rob, you really don't accept BS and it's a rare thing. Given the extremism in that fanbase lately, to the point of going into the defense of a failed GM that doesn't even work for their team anymore, not many other prominent NHL creators would have the guts to do this video. Maybe it will help some of the insane cult of personality worship fans to gain a bit of self awareness...
You can spin this story anyway you want, but the bottom line is when you give most of your money to 4 players, you arent really getting that much with what you have left. Every team needs a couple of big time goal scorers, but the rest of the roster needs ro be good defensemen and 200 foot players if you want the cup
Not saying I agree with everything Dubas did in Toronto, but trying to judge his time with the Leafs will always have a massive asterisk due to the fact that the current salary cap is just missing a minimum of $6 million extra dollars that should've been there if it wasn't for Covid... And that's the bare minimum, in reality the number would probably closer to $15m of extra cap.
I respect the Pens for giving it once last charge up the hill. I really do, sadly it will be the charge of the light brigade. Toronto should have traded Marner, now they are stuck. Not many teams want to pay Willy, 10 million. They can wait till the trade deadline. Dubas was hamstrung by the cap, he brought in good players. He wanted to win, that is not a bad thing.
Biggest problem with Dubas when he has draft picks he gets long shots vs a guy who could be a plug-in bottom 6D who will be cheap young and defensively responsible.
Look spending entirely HALF of the cap on 4 guys is going to leave you with holes. It isnt rocket science. A smart FO comes at their guys and says "Look, we want to put the best team out there, we will spend every dollar allowed, but if you want solid teammates, we need you to take ($8.75m instead of $10.5, for example)". Its called The Tom Brady Strategy, and it leads to unparalleled success (for anyone not paying attention the last 20+ years) But hey..Dubas gonna Dubas. Im sure his Jerry Jones "Just Buy" style will continue to work wonders.
When about 45% of you’re teams salary is going to 4 players it’s gonna be hard to build a nice contender. Dude gave marner 10.9 million when he was a RFA…..like why? The leafs had all the leverage. And he goes to Pitt and don’t get me wrong I love Erik Karlsson but the dude is a mirror image of letang and he’s getting paid over 10 million. The points most likely will come next season but sheesh It’s like Dubas is playing be a GM and forgetting about depth and role players and what not.
You can’t say he’s an amazing gm if at the same time you shit on what HE built in Toronto. He refused to break up the core four, he signed the guys to those contracts everybody loves to shit on, he’s done dick all draft wise, and only made good trades the last like year and and half
Two offensive D means you need two stud Ds to cover them. It's why San Jose failed. Ultimately you could have 2 strong power-play units. How often do you feel like your team wasted their power-play as soon as the first unit leaves the ice?
With the pens it should provide both letang & karrelson with good minutes and especially rest, because of age & injuries. Mike Sullivan with manage the bench with which ever one is hot. The key is who will retrieve the puck for either of them or which one works better on the outlets & PP. Dubas never should of drafted Taveras Hes no fraud The players he has “lost” are not crazy losses except for salary cap issues..✌🏻
Vegas literally did trade for and sign the best players on the market. Petro was the best D-man to hit the market. Eichel and Stone were the best players on the block when they were traded to Vegas. Barbashev was one of the best centers on the trade block last year. These players would fit well on just about any team in any scheme.
Unlike in San Jose, Penguins have the talent to create a 1A, 1B powerplay. Also I think an aging Letang not having to eat up so many minutes each game is a good thing.
I think EK65 will do just fine in Pittsburg. But the issue then shifts to the fact that they have 17.6 million tied into two offensive dmen. In todays game, spending money efficiently has never been more important. Malkin and Crosby taking pay cuts is a massive advantage. That cap advantage is gone with the EK65 acquisition
@RobTalksHockey True, they don't have any room to maneuver, maybe Dubas can pull a move with Carter to shore up that third line. Fingers crossed, spending the extra cash from those sweetheart deals on EK65 was the right move.
I can't understand how anyone would ever think signing the most notable players will win you championships. Building a competitive team has ALWAYS been about finding the RIGHT person for the position.
Pretty obvious the issue is with the way the team was coached. The Leafs needed a respected coach with a winning history, Keefe just cannot get it done.
Getting taveres was the worst decision we me made hey we got a shit ton of offense no defense lets sign more offensive Toronto aint gunna win with any of them no leader no consistency and no grit
I am not sure why you say Dubas' career in Toronto was unsuccessful. His teams were always near the top of the standings during the regular season. Toronto sold out every home game. The fan base was excited willing to purchase merchandise and show up in the thousands to watch a game outside. From the owners' point of view this was success. So much so they offered him a new contract to "run it again". To the people that owned the team he was a genius at making them money.
Good point! But this video was focused on team success. EA Sports and many companies that struggle with corporate greed, make a boatload of money. I personally don't respect that idea of thinking
I’ve played the crap outta ‘be a GM mode’. I just SIM the games and focus on drafting, developing and contracts. I might not be Kyle Dubas but I think I could do a better job than that Chayka guy.
With how much Matthews just signed, it was the only way dubas could keep him and others with them. Nobody really wants to play for the leafs😂 got to get paid to have the stanley cup drought as an extra baggage they barely can take
Shouldn't hurt too bad just yet. Rutherford already pissed away most of our assets recklessly in the last few years of his tenure so Dubas doesn't have many left to work with. So far he's largely focused on undoing things that went wrong in the latter half of the Hextall/Burke regime that were given an almost unworkable task of retooling without spending any of the few assets we had left, and apart from the initial Carter trade (not the extension) or the Rakell trade, not much of it will be remembered fondly.
I remember when they trade Mason Marchment I was commenting on how dumb of a trade it was only for everyone to tell me we traded a all player for a NHL player acting like we won the trade lol. Kyle Dubas certainly does have a lot of boot licker fans.
Dubas or his reading of analytics just doesn't put any $$$ or priority into his support players or even 'glue' guys. It's all 'external analysis.' He is very good at what he does but it does Not translate into 16 wins.
Anybody could have Drafted Auston Matthews and Marner and if Tavares wanted to come home to Toronto that bad anybody could have done that too lol he walked on to a team that set up for future success lol or some what success anyway.
Am I missing something, or is the thought of having 2 PP QB's attractive to anyone else? Why not just use them on different lines and different PP units? It seems to me that having two stalwarts to put one on each PP line is only a good thing.
It's most effective to have a single player or mind, orchestrating the play, especially for puck-dominant defensemen like Erik Karlsson. The second line unit plays in scrap time. You are taking away a significant role from your #2 guy and making that player's game less effective. At that point teams who have focused on defense first d-men like Vegas, have a far more well-rounded lineup.
And the leafs now have Klingberg and Reilly which neither are great on the defensive side (not the same reilly is better on back end but still).....Makes me nervous as a leaf fan
Great video. The idea of the negative effect of having two similar D's is valid. You would think it's a plus but you would be wrong. I never had faith in Young Sheldon.
Dubas is as any other GM in the league. He has his own brand of hockey he likes to implement - that mostly centered around skill and puck possession ... and that's mostly it. He seems to downplay or not cared at all about the physicality or smash mouth brand of hockey. Which can be ideal, but not practical. Nice regular records, terrible playoff. Neither a fraud nor a hockey genius, just your regular GM.
Dubas has been very successful at every level before the NHL. But at the top level, he was late to the party. Seemingly trusting in pure analytical aspects. Unfortunately, it only created flashes here and there, and never ever close to the ultimate goal. The A's didn't win fk all in moneyball, and the leafs won't win fk all now or in these next few years. Aside from the required skill level, the "intangibles" are what they are and truly separate success from failure at the top level.
If i would have been a mapleleafs fan during Dubas i wouldnt have supported most of is decisions... oreillt pick playoffs was a good one but the list strong players that left to keep 4 is a bit too big in my mind... u could arguably have a contender with thaT list and u would have draft picks and lot of salary cap room😂
yeah okay Dubas made a lot of bad signings always hopeful for the Leafs. don't think it was the players individual. its the wrong group built around the core . the Vegas analogy is correct. not a fan of Vegas but you have to recognize the brilliance of who ever put that team together every player complementing each other . to me Vegas is what a championship team looks like
I have a hard time grasping how legitimate some of these arguments are because of the very light if non-existent comparison with league average. This isn't to say the arguments are wrong but I think the point being made would gain from showing a comparison with other gms around the league, how many other GMs have "negative trade/sign" records? Is there a way we can make the counting of such records less subjective with stats? You mention the culture in certain teams but then disregard it right away, why can't we claim that a team that's always juggled many superstars won't be able to do so in the scenario, could coaching have had an impact on someone like Dubas' or even the Sharks' Burns/Karlsson statline? Again, I don't have an opinion on Dubas but it seems like a shaky platform to stand up on to yell he's definitively bad... Maybe I just watch too many sports analytics channels though.
Fair, referencing league averages in that context is something I will do in the future. I have covered many GM track records over the years, and yes, the good GM's have great track records. Every GM will make mistakes, but when those mistakes compound over 5 years, like Dubas, it becomes a problem. I tried my best to make an argument for Dubas and couldn't. The best opportunity he had during his tenure was to lock up Matthews and Marner to fair contracts. The man couldn't even do that, on top of getting less than max term.
@@RobTalksHockey That's fair, more direct statistical comparisons would be a big plus for me in the future for sure. Though I'm a PIT fan, I don't actually have a dog in the metaphorical race, except maybe stats content ^^'
..seems Shanahan was calling the shots and would not break up the soft core ensuring mediocrity....Dubas has made interesting moves in Pittsburg...so..lets see..?
Matthews, Nylander and Tavares are all the same kind of player. They are all scorers. You can't win with little talent around one skill set of players. Yes of course Marner is a Playmaker. Too much money invested in too few players. Dubas has emptied the cupboards and now Treliving will have to pick up the pieces.
