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The MASSIVE Problem In Canadian Hockey 

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@RobTalksHockey
@RobTalksHockey 11 месяцев назад
Guaranteed McDavid Pack 👀 therthcompany.com/collections/all When will we see a Canadian team lift a cup? What Is the Solution?
@jakearsenta2144
@jakearsenta2144 11 месяцев назад
Never 😂 the solution is to move all the Canadian teams down to the USA
@CrazyKamloopsian
@CrazyKamloopsian 11 месяцев назад
The Nhl would collapse with out the Canadian teams. When the Canadian teams head south they bring the Canadian fans south to watch the games to fill the stands. This is why there is so many back to back games through the Western US swing for the Canadian teams, its keeping these markets alive. @@jakearsenta2144
@StellosArtois
@StellosArtois 11 месяцев назад
canadian dollar too weak for Canadian Team to with the cup, so never.
@dshoti_tv
@dshoti_tv 11 месяцев назад
Sens or the habs seem the closet, there teams after rebuild are looking stacked
@FischerFan
@FischerFan 11 месяцев назад
Contraction: Gary Bettman's worst nightmare and THE word no owner can mention at meetings in Bettman's presence.
@MaybeMintz
@MaybeMintz 11 месяцев назад
Not only have Canadian teams won an MLS title, NBA title, and MLB title more recently than Canadian teams have won an NHL title, American teams have won CFL titles more recently than Canadian teams have won NHL titles. American teams haven't played in the CFL since the mid-90s
@trevorquinton5393
@trevorquinton5393 11 месяцев назад
Oh man! I forgot about the CFL expanding into the states for a bit!
@christenandersen65
@christenandersen65 11 месяцев назад
Has there been another win in MLB since 1992 that I'm unaware of? The last Canadian team to win the Stanley Cup was the 1993 Canadiens.
@mattm8108
@mattm8108 11 месяцев назад
@@christenandersen65Blue Jays were 1993 World Series champions as well
@letstrythisagain5096
@letstrythisagain5096 11 месяцев назад
Just Toronto has own that stuff 😂
@christenandersen65
@christenandersen65 11 месяцев назад
@@mattm8108 you're right, I was wrong, sorry.
@mr.bloodvessel260
@mr.bloodvessel260 11 месяцев назад
It’s beyond absurd that Bettman has been Commissioner for 30 years😮
@terryc.3624
@terryc.3624 11 месяцев назад
He must be doing something right--30 years a good record and hockey is thriving in all markets, don't hate Americans so much - look at yourself?????
@Deabeatdad
@Deabeatdad 11 месяцев назад
​@@terryc.3624profit for owners. That's all that matters as a business. As a fan, there's more important things
@PGar58
@PGar58 10 месяцев назад
Devils advocate: he’s done as much to make hockey matter here in the states and internationally. Yes he is a nebbish with a bad rug. Yes he oversaw the cancellation of one season and truncation of two others. The concussion issues aren’t going away. And his quixotic pursuit of Phoenix looks to be foolishness. But unlike MLB he worked closely with Don Fehr to come up with a CBA that both the players and owners could live with. The league has expanded in Vegas and Seattle giving them a huge head start over the NBA. The latest TV contracts are a far cry from 1992 when the NHL had to sign a deal with SCA for $5 million the day before the season started. Thats $5 million for all rights. The game is fun to watch, fans are coming out…. As to Canada, why would he have punted on a market like Atlanta to allow Winnipeg back in the game? Another franchise who is thriving.
@mr.bloodvessel260
@mr.bloodvessel260 10 месяцев назад
@@PGar58 and Quebec wouldn’t thrive?
@ElmerFudd16
@ElmerFudd16 10 месяцев назад
@@terryc.3624 "All markets" Have you seen Arizona's situation?
@mattwilliams7454
@mattwilliams7454 11 месяцев назад
It would be great if the NHL cared about current fans, just a little bit, and not just imaginary new fans
@neilsunstrum933
@neilsunstrum933 11 месяцев назад
So why give them your money and time? The on ice product amounts to glorified shinny played by millionaires. I can't even watch a game anymore and I grew up at the arena obsessed with the game. It's not the same game I grew up loving. Hockey died a long time ago when they Americanized it imo
@sampicano
@sampicano 11 месяцев назад
3 on 3 is literal garbage Bettman needs to dig a hole and get inside.
@chrisd4112
@chrisd4112 11 месяцев назад
I always say this to people as well and they usually agree but still watch every game. I have kind of given up on the game and it's fans. You can't cure stupid.
@TheFatGandalf
@TheFatGandalf 11 месяцев назад
Yup, if only the league had 6 teams again so that Canada, specifically the Canadians, could win more often. The good news is that either way, Toronto, and their grammatically incorrect team (plural of leaf is leaves), would still be a non-factor.
@timfronimos459
@timfronimos459 11 месяцев назад
@@TheFatGandalf Agree w most of your sentiments but a Six team NHL would be even more irrelevant than today.
@JeremysPointOfView
@JeremysPointOfView 11 месяцев назад
Sadly for the hurricanes it’s true that success has brought the fans back. But I think the fact that the team was scrapping the bottom barrel for awhile makes it hard to keep hardcore interest. I’m a diehard hurricanes fan and I live nearby and I can say the fan base has really grown and I think it’s here to stay.
@JeremysPointOfView
@JeremysPointOfView 11 месяцев назад
It also helps that our team is run competently now. Not only are we built to win now. But we have a strong prospect pool and truly built this team from the ground up. It’s been an amazing thjng to be apart of
@zachhoward9099
@zachhoward9099 10 месяцев назад
Did the Canes winning a Stanley Cup albeit back in the mid 00’s help cement the team into the community at all?
@daviddavis6975
@daviddavis6975 10 месяцев назад
@@zachhoward9099 It made them popular at the time but they were soon forgotten when the team was bad again. The reason the Canes are so popular is because Raleigh is full of transplants running from the high taxes and cost of living in New York and they have all brought their love of hockey with them. Its the same reason Canada will never be successful in Hockey again. High taxes and government regulation kill all growth and success and force people to get out.
@boomer1049
@boomer1049 10 месяцев назад
​@@daviddavis6975Go woke goes broke 😂
@randyscavage
@randyscavage 10 месяцев назад
​@@zachhoward9099Raleigh low-key has a huge Northern transplant population. Most of my neighbors were rooting against the Canes back then. I think the Canes have found an actual identity now.
@cartoonscollecting1891
@cartoonscollecting1891 11 месяцев назад
I'm starting to think that the day Garry Bettman steps down,, a Canadian franchise team will win the Stanley Cup.
@ciclanociclino266
@ciclanociclino266 11 месяцев назад
how?
@simonmarshall19
@simonmarshall19 11 месяцев назад
@@ciclanociclino266hopfully quits .
@alexschneider8494
@alexschneider8494 11 месяцев назад
How exactly does Bettman prevent Canadian teams from winning? I hear this all the time, but never once hear an actual answer that explains it.
@Tre16
@Tre16 11 месяцев назад
​@@alexschneider8494 all sports are rigged, how is that not obvious
@shabba213
@shabba213 11 месяцев назад
@StuMarston 💯
@vinceslapchopper
@vinceslapchopper 11 месяцев назад
Living in Quebec City and being old enough to have seen the Nordiques play in the early 90s, I wish the Habs well since it is the only game in town right now. But rest assured that my disposable income doesn't go to buying tickets to watch a hockey game 3 hours away from my hometown. Nor do I spend it on any NHL merchandise, whether it is Habs or legacy Nordiques jerseys for example. And nor will I change my spending habits about it as long as that leprechaun at the top keeps laughing at our market, taking it for granted or believing that we all resigned and converted to being docile, frenzy spending Habs fans. This is not cannibalism since the Bell Centre is always full with waiting lists for season ticket holders, getting a team in Quebec City makes just as much sense financially than putting a second team in the Grand Toronto Area.
@K-DUBYA
@K-DUBYA 11 месяцев назад
I’m an Aussie but I also share your distain for the leprechaun. 30 years and it’s time to bugger off
@csharp48
@csharp48 11 месяцев назад
You would still be market sharing. You are still canibalizing from the same market. While *you* arent spending money, plenty of your neighbors are. Any growth in Canada would be instantly dwarfed by growth in a market like Atlanta or Phoenix. You may attract a few more hockey fans by dropping in a new team (or reviving an old team) but most Canadians either watch hockey or don't, and their opinion is unlikely to change. And I realize hes probably been writing this script for a while, but look at what's happening in Winnipeg. Its a smaller Canadian market and they are fed up with losing and current economics and have the smallest NHL arena (obviously not including Arizona's Mullet Arena as it is not an NHL arena) and is now getting barely above 10k ticket sales. But yes 30 years is far too long for one person to be in charge.
@alltheworldsastage.
@alltheworldsastage. 11 месяцев назад
Quebec should of never lost the team they set it up for Colorado. It was a scam. Wheres Quebec today. You know they want a third team in Atlanta, again. That's three and no Quebec. I'm all for a Quebec hockey team. When they talk about having a team in Quebec and another in toronto all they are doing is playing the part.
@Spartan086
@Spartan086 11 месяцев назад
I don't think the problem is the fanbase, I think the problem is finding the 700 million required for an expansion team. Bettman hasn't relocated many teams and the league makes way more from expansion than it does relocate
@sampicano
@sampicano 11 месяцев назад
Quebec City is larger than Winnipeg. And despite recent attendance troubles the Jets sold out EVERY game between 2010 and 2020. Ten years straight. And Quebec City is LARGER than Winnipeg...
@tdfmtig
@tdfmtig 11 месяцев назад
Also most Canadian teams have been horrible managed over the last 20 years and whiffing on a lot of draft picks
@codybromley6906
@codybromley6906 11 месяцев назад
Poor drafting (yakupov, virtanen, juolevi) and godawful management (the Oilers (late 2000s to mid 2010s), Leafs (mid 2000s to mid 2010s) and Canucks (early 2010s to early 2020s) Dark ages for example. And it looks like the Oilers might head back to the basement if they cant improve enough to convince McDavid and Drai to stay. Canucks need a miracle to become a contender after benning truely screwed us. And flames are looking like their future is bad as well. Even though Canadian teams didnt win in the 2000s. It was a golden age of (semi competitiveness) sorts with Oilers, Flames, Canucks and Sens all making the finals.
@ctaylor8003
@ctaylor8003 11 месяцев назад
@@codybromley6906 IDK about horrible Canucks management in the 2010's. They did win more games than any other team in the league.
@GR-bn3xj
@GR-bn3xj 10 месяцев назад
​@@codybromley6906The run that the Canucks had in 2020 in the playoffs was pretty magical, but it may have been the worst thing in hindsight. It made us fans think we had a shot and stopped any potential rebuild. Those contracts Benning did were do bad. It's crazy the Canucks have gotten off to such a good start this year. I hope they are not just teasing us
10 месяцев назад
That sums it up pretty darn good. Imagine the Leaf's getting Mathews then turning around and wasting 10 million on a geriatric from the Islander (Tavares) and trading a 2 million dollar player who walked away with a cup (Kadri).
@Thechezbailey
@Thechezbailey 10 месяцев назад
Not like it matters. Even if you do draft well they will eventually walk, since they only care about money. Look at Gaudreau and Tkachuk.
@Landis_Grant
@Landis_Grant 10 месяцев назад
Most Canadians with a home hockey team didn’t see Gary Bettman’s memo that read: As of 1994, there will be no more Canadian clubs winning the Stanley Cup. I mentioned this to some Winnipeggers and their reply “I still rather have a team than no team.”
@CougarTownGaming
@CougarTownGaming 11 месяцев назад
I can guarantee ya that toxic media and environment makes things worse. Ryan oreilly and Luke schenn signing in Nashville says it all. I actually spoke recently to schenn and asked him what he thinks of the media here in Nashville vs Toronto. “Night and day” was his response. The people of Nashville love bottom feeder players and embrace em like top 6 players all the time. All players want is to be loved just a bit with the media and fans.
@ShakepearesDaughter
@ShakepearesDaughter 11 месяцев назад
I'm thinking that it's because USA identity does not hinge on hockey, but in Canada it really does... as in, if a player in Canada is not overall terrific, or plays disappointingly, it would, to Canadian hockey fans, reflect poorly on Canada and national morale of Canadian fans as a whole, whereas in the USA, they're still major league players and their success or failure does not cause nationalistic distress. The individual player is just a ripple in the pond here, not a national icon. As in, "this guy has a cool job! Let's take a picture with him! I wish I knew how to skate"
@troymachine
@troymachine 11 месяцев назад
Can confirm on the leafs fan base. As a devils fan living in WNY, it's shocking to see so many leafs jerseys at nj vs. Buf games just to root against the sabres
@seanstoica6301
@seanstoica6301 11 месяцев назад
You seen the waiting lists for Toronto games? It's the only way most of them can see games
@gazbleu3440
@gazbleu3440 11 месяцев назад
They are a virus….
@99problemsbutafishaintone35
@99problemsbutafishaintone35 11 месяцев назад
The Devils are crazy good.
@krob5375
@krob5375 10 месяцев назад
​@@seanstoica6301not to mention tickets are half as much and you can probably get a way better seat than you could in TO. TO also needs to get rid of the majority of the corporate owned seats and make them available to general public. You watch a Leafs game, look in the stands. Half the people are wearing suits and looking at their phones I swear.
@NoLanConnection
@NoLanConnection 10 месяцев назад
Makes sense tbh Toronto is super close to Buffalo and leafs games are way more expensive also those Canadians who live closer to Buffalo than Toronto are gonna go to there
@colebevans8939
@colebevans8939 11 месяцев назад
An interesting thing to note. Last years cup finals saw the lowest TV viewership by far in over 10 years. Canadian fans are loosing interest in watching the playoffs when every year we only see one or two Canadian teams in the playoffs and they all seem to be eliminated in the first or second round. The lack of Canadian viewership in the playoffs in starting to eat away at profits. Canadian fans cant be ignored forever. Add to that (as a an oilers fan) it seems the one thing all Canadian teams can agree on is that we seem to get the short end of the stick when it comes to officiating in the post season versus American teams. The Leaf's and Oilers both seem to have far more questionable calls and decisions go against them than for them in the post season to the point where its hard not to have a bit of a tinfoil hat. It makes watching American teams win a cup far less enjoyable. At some point things will have to change because Betman is slowly loosing Canadian fans, which are still the largest source of revenue for the league.
@SnowmanTF2
@SnowmanTF2 11 месяцев назад
While both the TV deal and average ticket prices are clearly better in Canada. What I found online places that estimate closer to 1/3rd, and this was from a Canadian source arguing for more teams in Canada.
@-Subtle-
@-Subtle- 11 месяцев назад
I wish you'd all get the espn coverage there. It's hilarious to hear them openly bash the crappy Toronto hockey media.
@SquatLight55
@SquatLight55 11 месяцев назад
“Rig it for the Canadian teams please”
@adjepson
@adjepson 11 месяцев назад
Haven't watched a game since the '04 lockout. My wallet has been happier ever since.
@luigivincenz3843
@luigivincenz3843 10 месяцев назад
@@SnowmanTF2 "While both the TV deal and average ticket prices are clearly better in Canada." Hey genius didn't you pay attention POINT 5 at 12:40 death and taxes?? I'm a working canuck in South Florida. I watch Panthers games the glass 10 FEET from me and I pay $45. I go home to Vancouver, I have to pay $300 CDN for Canucks tix at rinkside. Explain to me again, how is that "better in prices"?
@samkohen4589
@samkohen4589 10 месяцев назад
A bit of history is necessary here. In 1966 the NHL went from the original 6 to 12 teams. it was assumed that one of the new teams would be in Vancouver. It was therefore a real shock when all 6 new teams were in the United States. In 1968 when it became clear that the Oakland-California Seals, LaBatt Brewery offered to buy the team and move it to Vancouver. That resulted in a firestorm lead by the Toronto Maple Leafs using all sorts of dumb excuses to prevent this action. The real reason was the CTV-CBC television rights. Toronto wanted it all for themselves. However Vancouver finally got their team in 1970 and the NHL along with 5 other teams, all US. The to Canada was, no need to apply. In March 1979 the NHL set a vote on admitting Winnipeg, Edmonton, Quebec (and Hartford). Once again the Toronto Maple Leafs led the opposition to this. In the vote that followed the vote was defeated by just one vote. In a press conference held right afterwards then NHL President mentioned his surprise that while almost all the US teams vote for their admission, all three CANADIAN TEAMS VOTED NO. That included the Montreal Canadians who had thought that this would be a secret ballot with no one knowing how they would vote. In a massive show of national unity, people in Alberta, Manitoba and Quebec started a massive boycott of Molsons Brewery, the owner of the Montreal Canadians who had never thought that their vote would be against their admission. THE VERY NEXT DAY facing crippling massive losses Molsons pleaded with John Ziegler for a new vote. Toronto threatened legal action to prevent such a vote, but John Ziegler was able to get one done anyway and that is how Winnipeg, Edmonton and Quebec got in. The point is the teams in Canada are the major reason why so few teams from Canada are in the NHL
@jbp4.0
@jbp4.0 10 месяцев назад
3 of the 4 teams in the Semi-finals in 2023 were teams that operate in States that do not collect State income Tax. Quebec is the highest taxed jurisdiction in North America. The Habs try to work with this by offering contracts that are heavily biased towards bonuses as opposed to salary, to reduce the tax payable for the Player. However, this comes back to bite them if the player does not live up to expectations or is on permanent LTIR and then they have very unfavourable terms to buy out the contract. Canuck fans will be reminded of this for several years to come with the Ehkman-Larsson buyout, now that they have just recently gotten over paying Loungo's salary retention. With an uneven playing field like this, could the solution be to allow Canadian Teams a higher Salary Cap? What a tangled web that creates... Add to the tax imbalance other attractions to play in the States, such as anonymity away from the rink, driving a Porsche/Lambo/Ferrari to work in 70 degree weather, dating Cali/Texas/FLA Girls...I don't see a Stanley Cup parade on St. Catherines, Young St, Robson St, etc, in the foreseeable future.
@Jet-ij9zc
@Jet-ij9zc 7 месяцев назад
Salary caps should be based on net salary (post taxes) not rough salary (pre taxes)
@jbp4.0
@jbp4.0 6 месяцев назад
Good suggestion, however...that would involve access to personal information, so the NHLPA and other privacy concerns would nix that. Leveling the playing field has always been a challenge in life as well as sport.@@Jet-ij9zc
@Jammer2001
@Jammer2001 11 месяцев назад
Another factor you missed was the value of the dollar. Also a couple of corrections, the Nordiques didn't move because they weren't successful, they moved because the league (among other parties) were having problems with the owner and Bell doesn't own the Habs the Molson family does.
@mikecolangelo4895
@mikecolangelo4895 11 месяцев назад
Gary Bettman is the WORST thing that EVER happened to the NHL and Hockey in general .
@matthewgregory8218
@matthewgregory8218 11 месяцев назад
And he is not well.
@Bushman9
@Bushman9 11 месяцев назад
There are a lot of 4rth liners making a million bucks that would disagree with you. Bettman is doing what the owners wanted him to. That’s why he is still there. It’s our 75 cent dollar that is our biggest problem.
@eagledriver5546
@eagledriver5546 11 месяцев назад
From a canadians point of view thats true, but the NHL owners love him and it wont change anytime soon as long as fans fill the arenas and more teams pop up in the US
@mikecolangelo4895
@mikecolangelo4895 11 месяцев назад
@@eagledriver5546 Most of those fans are there on corporate giveaway tickets . The real fans have been priced out and the game has been taken away from them .
@truenorth1355
@truenorth1355 11 месяцев назад
@@Bushman9there paid in American Einstein.
@bencarter8423
@bencarter8423 9 месяцев назад
As a Chicago Cubs fan, I can tell ya that a media company owning the Habs is a big reason why they’ve struggled the last ten years. The tribune owned the Cubs for decades. It took until they sold the team to actually win something.
@tudormiller887
@tudormiller887 3 месяца назад
Go Cubs Go! ❤🐻⚾
@JudyPitcher
@JudyPitcher 3 месяца назад
Molson's own the HABS Bell sponsors as does Air Canada.
@trevorquinton5393
@trevorquinton5393 11 месяцев назад
Would you ever do a deep dive on goaltending in Canada and why we don't produce top tier goalies anymore?
@IHateMyAccountName
@IHateMyAccountName 11 месяцев назад
Strangely enough, Finland produces lots of goalies, even though their population is only 5 million.
@bradybeijes3232
@bradybeijes3232 11 месяцев назад
Price, Fleury, Hart, Levi, just cause the game has grown internationally doesn't men we don't still have elite players too, just Like the NFL and NBA, Used to be very few or no colored quarterbacks and the best NBA player is Serbian
@benoitrobitaille5235
@benoitrobitaille5235 11 месяцев назад
Id argue that Price and Fleury are from a different era the other two are still unproven, from Quebec alone we had Brodeur, Roy, Luongo, Turco, Thibault, Theodore, Biron, Potvin, Giguere, Crawford, Lalime, Bernier, Fiset and Garon, probably dozens of others i forgot in the late 80’s to around 2010. Then the legends started to retire little by little with barely any new comers picking up the torch. Now whats Quebec top 2 goalies Fleury thats a few months from retiring and Montembeault ? That’s only 1 province.
@bradybeijes3232
@bradybeijes3232 11 месяцев назад
@@benoitrobitaille5235 Kuemper, Binnington, Reimer, Skinner, Ingram, Murray, some are on bad teams but the 3 have won a cup and they are all extremely talented, also Sebastian Cossa is a beast at 20, Matthew Kieper is 19, Hunter Jones 23, Nico Daws 22, Tyler Brennan 20, Carson Bjarnason 18, Ty Levy 17, Luke Cavallin 22, Marco Costantini 21, there's still lots of young talent coming up
@bradybeijes3232
@bradybeijes3232 11 месяцев назад
@@benoitrobitaille5235 Levi is from Quebec and better then Montembault
@sangfroideur
@sangfroideur 11 месяцев назад
I envision that within five years, the Flames will be back in Atlanta. In Canada, hockey is becoming unaffordable for mid-size markets, especially where the corporate clientelle is negligible.
@Itshadow306
@Itshadow306 7 месяцев назад
I agree 100% Jets back to Atlanta as the Thrashers and Flames to Portland.
@Sacto1654
@Sacto1654 10 месяцев назад
I think a symptom of the NHL problems in Canada is the situation at Scotiabank Area, the home of the Toronto Maple Leafs. The *VERY* high price of the lower section seats in hockey configuration has (according to many people) priced out the more serious fans of the Maple Leafs and it has become the province of corporate _bigwigs_ and their clients, which are using those lower section seats more to conduct business than to cheer on the Maple Leafs. As such, the home environment for the Maple Leafs are *NOT* conducive for the Maple Leafs to play hard. Maybe it's time to reconfigure Scotiabank Arena for more corporate suites so the more passionate fans of the team can seat in the lower section seats for a change.
@benoitrobitaille5235
@benoitrobitaille5235 11 месяцев назад
People underestimate greatly the effects in the NHL of local taxes, weak Canadian dollar, the capped era, Canadian city size, the constant media and fan attention or in some cases the death of pre-junior/junior hockey, among other things. No way in hell, that a Canadian team can compete with states like Florida for a player without overpaying them unless they are a local kids.That reality normally wouldn’t bother big Canadian markets but there is a cap, so by over paying they screw themselves no matter what. When it comes to new teams in Canada, a 2nd in Toronto, or London/Hamilton or St-John or Quebec city … the cities sizes are a potential problem, not a problem to full an arena but for TV rights, because they mostly already are NHL products consumers since they are obviously all already sharing a market unlike the Jets or potentially St-John which is obviously too small. Small markets also means not a lot of extremely wealthy people to throw money at a project, the weak Canadian dollar also heavily diminishes that list to probably a few names, because everything in the NHL is in USD. Finally a little rant about my province Quebec in hockey development, where is all the players we used to create/develop ? Not so long ago we could hypothetically of created teams that could rival the ROC, the USA or Russia, with historically top goaltenders, goal scorers and defensemen, what the fuck happened ?
@JUVI9596
@JUVI9596 11 месяцев назад
What is this St John you keep speaking of.
@benoitrobitaille5235
@benoitrobitaille5235 11 месяцев назад
I meant Halifax, my poutine filled french canadian brain somehow mixed the two together ! Ahahaha To be fair, the people from Saint-John’s, Newfoundland and Saint-John New-Brunswick would probably be fans to an Halifax team over Montreal any day of the week. Thanks for point it out !
@kiroolioneaver8532
@kiroolioneaver8532 11 месяцев назад
A second team (even second and third team) in the GTHA/KW area is probably the only expansion into Canada that would carry no risk for the NHL.
@cariopuppetmaster
@cariopuppetmaster 11 месяцев назад
Then why does florida suck for most of its history if canadian teams can compete with them????
@RandallK1968NS
@RandallK1968NS 11 месяцев назад
You're on glue ffs
@ScentsofStyle99
@ScentsofStyle99 11 месяцев назад
The NHL might kill the Golden Goose. The Golden Goose is the Canadian hockey culture which ultimately leads to elite Canadian players. It has already destroyed the world's biggest elite hockey player pipeline - Quebecois players.
@shuki1
@shuki1 11 месяцев назад
Have we already reached the point of no return? Explicit stats of the annual draft shows less and less Canadian players in higher and lower rounds.
@JoeBine77
@JoeBine77 11 месяцев назад
Everyone in quebec is disinterested in hockey because of the last few mediocre years. It is under Martin Saint-Louis that things will change
@neilsunstrum933
@neilsunstrum933 11 месяцев назад
Bahahha Quebec sucks! None of the best players come from there. Get a grip
@ScentsofStyle99
@ScentsofStyle99 11 месяцев назад
​@@shuki1It's an inevitable takeover. I have been talking about this for over 20 years but the biggest problem by far is the complete indifference by Canadians. Canadians are an incredibly passive people whose game has been taken away from them right before their eyes. Where is the concern in the Canadian media? Everyone just wants to keep their jobs so they stay quiet and don't criticize Bettman or the NHL.
@philoneussquire3877
@philoneussquire3877 11 месяцев назад
​@@ScentsofStyle99tell me you don't live in Canada without telling me you don't live in Canada
@TheZombiemofo
@TheZombiemofo 11 месяцев назад
I think it would be interesting if the league could figure out a way to get around the issue of tax variance between countries and states to mitigate that issue for players' desire to play in Canada. But i do think that the increased spotlight and pressure from the media and fans on players of Canadian teams is always going to be a factor for players preferring to play in the US.
@xAnAngelOfDeathx
@xAnAngelOfDeathx 11 месяцев назад
The salary cap should allow for the difference in tax and should adjust with the CDN $ versus the US $. That would be fair.
@wihamaki
@wihamaki 11 месяцев назад
The salary cap was by design, as well as bias referees, to make profits in the U.S. Even if a Canadian team does well in the playoffs, they know bad officiating will take them out. And the Canadian team players? Know they'll make more money losing as success in the U.S. will raise the Cap, which will lead to bigger profits than if they won.
@samalexander5236
@samalexander5236 11 месяцев назад
It’s actually not as big of a deal as you think. There is a thing called a retirement compensation arrangement that any decent tax planner can set up to help players walk around that issue in Canada.
@shuki1
@shuki1 11 месяцев назад
@@samalexander5236the players should not need to deal with that, the main issue is the salary cap.
@freakinoldguy
@freakinoldguy 10 месяцев назад
It's actually quite simple. They balance team incomes with transfer payments so they could apply the same methodology to salaries. Have a higher salary cap for Canadian team to cover the extra cost of our devalued dollar and tax burden. But you'll never see that happen so long as Canadian teams remain profitable. Because any team money spent on a higher salary cap for Canadian teams to level the playing field would take away from Bettman's give away's to unprofitable teams in the US. So don't expect a Canadian team to be able to keep it's talent and win a cup under the current system. Also, so long as the poorer owners keep receiving handouts from the league to the detriment of the more profitable teams (see Canadian and Original 6) they'll keep Bettman in power.
@SpartacusColo
@SpartacusColo 10 месяцев назад
Great overview. Coloradoan who liked hockey before the Nords came to town, here. I quit watching NHL not long after the TV timeout became a thing: money is the driver to the sport. I never liked sports because of money and fanfare. Money is the driver to all the big leagues. I quit on the Broncos when they stole the stadium from the community. It's all about The Benjamins now. Eff them.
@bmunson4920
@bmunson4920 10 месяцев назад
1. Geoff Molson is the owner of record of the Montreal Canadiens. 2. The taxes assume that players are regular employees like someone punching a time card. They are contract entertainers who probably get compensated by their own overseas registered private corporations. We have no idea what their effective tax rate is.
@sirstewartwallace3917
@sirstewartwallace3917 11 месяцев назад
I'd be surprised if the NHL returned to Atlanta. It would be like the failure of the NBA returning to Charlotte: general apathy and ownership that has no idea what they're doing.
@davidbrown386
@davidbrown386 11 месяцев назад
I am an American hockey fan ( NY Islanders), who favors putting an expansion team in QC or Hamilton, Ontario.Why? They will support a team unlike Atlanta ( who one year did not sell out World Series games). Houston or Salt Lake City are places that make sense however. One problem going forward for Canada and hockey are the demographic changes. Soccer and basketball are more popular sports for kids in areas like Toronto ( not to mention the inexpensive cost to play those sports ( particularly compared to hockey when rents are high in places like Toronto). Throw in immigration to areas like Vancouver ( along with the rents) and you have a problem. Is all lost? No not at all. Lots of players still love playing in Canada. Look at Austin Matthews. He is an American, yet he signed for 4 more years in Toronto. Domi took LESS money to go to Toronto when he was a free agent.
@davismavis2834
@davismavis2834 10 месяцев назад
Garys big concern for growth is within the television viewing market. When it comes time to put broadcasting rights up for bid, adding Quebec City to the current market pool doesn't add near as much viewing power than Atlanta
@geraldmeehan8942
@geraldmeehan8942 10 месяцев назад
Luckily the NBA is looking into Montreal and Vancouver
@nutronik9
@nutronik9 10 месяцев назад
I'm some areas in and around Atlanta, the NHL blackouts games from Nashville Carolina and Florida....., make that make sense to grow a game. Also you can't access two of those teams on any cable packages
@kierisylph686
@kierisylph686 10 месяцев назад
Up until this year, VGK games were only accessible on a channel you had to have DirectTV to get. As a result I didn't get to watch my local team for all that time without going to a casino's sportsbook. Thankfully this year, they got a new deal with an air channel. Streaming through the app is $70/season since like most people we don't use air channels, but at least I can finally watch the games. Seats all throughout have had big price tags too. Terrible way to grow a fan base. But I was a fan of the sport for 25 years when the team started out so I was gonna watch anyway as long as there was a way.
@mikanaveenmajumder711
@mikanaveenmajumder711 11 месяцев назад
We really need to manage the tax situation, why would a player want to play in Canada and give up a large chunk of their salary. We are constantly going to lose generational players the longer this continues
@yungraptor9864
@yungraptor9864 11 месяцев назад
So true
@SGBassplayer
@SGBassplayer 11 месяцев назад
And yet AustOn and Connor McJesus continue to stick around with the teams that drafted them.
@yungraptor9864
@yungraptor9864 11 месяцев назад
Alberta taxes are solid and auston is loyal to the team like kobe I guess. his contract is up there not like mcdavid but getting paid good @@SGBassplayer
@otaviofrn_adv
@otaviofrn_adv 10 месяцев назад
here's the thing: this is not up to the NHL to fix
@paulmckinney1672
@paulmckinney1672 10 месяцев назад
Why would a player not chase the money in the US then live like a king back in Canada
@huebdoo
@huebdoo 11 месяцев назад
I moved down for work to Silicon Valley from BC a few years back ... Sharks scores come on the news channel down here after highschool football numbers ... and normally are the last thing mentioned before a happy story of a goat in pajamas. Thing is the weather is great, nobody will harass you on the street, AM radio doesn't care, there is absolutely no pressure to perform and you are paid serious bank. Why the hell would you want to play in a place where you are yelled at when at the Safeway or have 24/7 radio calling for your trade if you have an off game. As Rob said, the owners don't care about the product, because win or lose Canadian fans will show up. So if owners don't care, and players like it down south, what can be done to make a Canadian Stanley Cup Team?
@reeddixon5758
@reeddixon5758 11 месяцев назад
I agree with your point but people would love to watch the habs and nordiques play again. Even if there isn’t 100% attendance, it could open up “battle of Alberta” style marketing for the nhl and people will watch that. For the Atlanta team, nobody will really be too invested early on, and people won’t be as excited to watch them. But I agree with the other issues you raised.
@flerglnergl
@flerglnergl 11 месяцев назад
True. I didn't follow the Nordiques-Habs rivalry too closely but I heard it was pretty intense back in the day, akin to Edmonton-Calgary. The Frenchies can be pretty emotional at times. 🙂
@ManAcadie
@ManAcadie 11 месяцев назад
The point is that fans would be a fan of either of those teams if the other didnt exist. They are not new customers...they go to one subway or the other no matter what. The analogy is that a new subway in a new town brings new customers so the market cap is higher
@juliansmith4295
@juliansmith4295 11 месяцев назад
@@flerglnergl The "Frenchies?" Jeeezus.
@geoff3103
@geoff3103 10 месяцев назад
not enough fans in Quebec City
@flerglnergl
@flerglnergl 10 месяцев назад
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@uttermanbo
@uttermanbo 4 месяца назад
Taxes, weather, and quality of life. Millions of Cansdiens live in places like Texas, Florida or Arizona half of the year . You don't see millions of Americans moving to Canada during the Summer months. That's the truth. So maybe don't judge the players or Bettman for wanting to be in Vegas, Texas, or Florida.
@michaelfortunato3117
@michaelfortunato3117 11 месяцев назад
I think there would be plenty of butts in those seats if Quebec came back to the NHL. I'm no market analyst, but I just have a hunch!
@felixvallieres4729
@felixvallieres4729 11 месяцев назад
I live in Quebec and trust me the barn would be packed
@zachhoward9099
@zachhoward9099 10 месяцев назад
It would be packed, QC is three hours from Montreal, not everyone just up and picked up the Habs as their team
@geoff3103
@geoff3103 10 месяцев назад
butts in the seat, but not enough money in the bank
@geoff3103
@geoff3103 10 месяцев назад
@@zachhoward9099 There isn't one Nordiques fan under the age of 34,35 anymore.
@YNWA9930
@YNWA9930 2 месяца назад
​@@geoff3103But there will be if they come back
@paul9745pdb
@paul9745pdb 6 месяцев назад
Winnipeg not selling more than 10k is a bad harbinger. If you want Canadian teams, support them.
@KeoniPhoenix
@KeoniPhoenix 10 месяцев назад
As much as Canada has a hockey problem, it was going to happen no matter what once they expanded the league. When the CFL and NFL were competing for talent in football they were able to maintain parity until suddenly they couldn't and it was sports market shifting from relying on fillings seats and instead filling TV slots and making the money from the broadcast rights. At the same time the ability to leverage those TV rights was heavily influenced by how much larger the US market is compared to Canada's. Its ten times the size and because of that all the contracts shifted to USD and eventually as the 1980s came and the 1990s rolled in the decline in the Canadian dollar hurt so much the profitability of Canadian teams that there was an honest worry that the Canadian teams would have all fold or move to the US. Thankfully a good enough TV deal and some interest in owning the teams in Canada's largest cities ensured they stayed over the smallest, however Winnipeg and Quebec City had to lose out.
@americanexpat8792
@americanexpat8792 10 месяцев назад
Let’s point out the obvious. Bettman isn’t the reason why the Vancouver Canucks lost two Game 7’s in Stanley Cup finals. However, to build on your thoughts, I would add 2 teams in Toronto metro area and 1 more in Montreal. Even though those areas could support more teams, the Maple Leafs and Canadiens would block those ideas. Whether we like it or not, Bettman works for the owners and is doing what they want.
@BunnEFartz
@BunnEFartz 11 месяцев назад
Here's an idea, Give Canadian teams a higher salary cap to compensate for the higher taxes. Level the playing field when it comes to player salaries.
@joseeduardo4327
@joseeduardo4327 11 месяцев назад
There’s no incentive. That’s the point. Canada has higher taxes and their currency is worth less and they generally have smaller fan bases, and yet they still are profitable.
@FS71625
@FS71625 11 месяцев назад
That might be one of the dumbest comments I've read. First of all there are still a number of american states/cities with high taxes ie New York and California. Secondly there is already monetary incentive for players to play in Canada, they get paid in American dollars and spend in Canadian dollars, usually equating to a bump of about 25-35% in actual dollars spent in their day to day lives. Most Canadian cities also have a lower cost of living for players for this reason as well. Thirdly the salary cap is for the owners, not the players. Every single player would be happier without a cap on their earnings so by changing the cap for Canadian teams you'd have to get all the american owners on board. Good luck with that
@BunnEFartz
@BunnEFartz 11 месяцев назад
@@FS71625 First, do you seriously think there are not provincial and cities in Canada where you have to pay taxes as well? Second, do you seriously thing European and American players spend the entire year in Canada? And if you think Canadian cities have a lower cost of living then you are truly deluded. Third, I do realize the salary cap is for the owners, the same Canadian owners who are complaining that they are not competing on a level playing field. Would you like me to give you examples of players wanting to be traded out of Canada? YOU are the last person to be calling anybody stupid.
@shawnanderson6313
@shawnanderson6313 11 месяцев назад
So then do that for state income tax? I mean Florida has zero income tax but California 13.5 income tax?
@patwalsh4406
@patwalsh4406 10 месяцев назад
If you’re fed up with the state of the NHL. Stop watching and buying shit. It’s not hard Canadians.
@JudyPitcher
@JudyPitcher 3 месяца назад
Hockey is OUR game, we eat, drink and breath hockey. Even with our much smaller population we produce more hockey players. The problem is we haven't won a Cup since Buttman became commissioner. With the online and in game gambling brought in by Buttman, the games are being officiated to suit the gamblers NOT the actual hockey fans. Teams will win according to Buttman's plans.
@charlesmaschi3238
@charlesmaschi3238 10 месяцев назад
Great video. I still have my cherished Quebec Nordiques jersey hanging in my closet. I sure miss those old Adams Division games against Boston, Buffalo and Montreal. Lost of great action, end to end.
@dougiep2769
@dougiep2769 10 месяцев назад
NHL is in deep deep trouble. Baby boomers are dying off. Minor hockey numbers are falling . It’s simply to expensive to play or go see a game. I feel sorry for the kids. All greed by various unions and owners.
@disgoyknows88
@disgoyknows88 6 месяцев назад
Lower bowl tickets in Tampa are not $90, they're usually starting at $225
@itinerantpatriot1196
@itinerantpatriot1196 10 месяцев назад
Some good points here. I remember when Gretzky went to L.A. The NHL thought hockey would be the next big thing in the south, but it was Gretzky, not the game, that drew the fans. I lived in Texas for a while and I was able to buy good lower bowl tickets to a Dallas Stars game the day of the game, and it New Years day at that. This was just a couple years before they won the Cup so they had a good team. But Texas is NASCAR and football. That is just the reality for most cities across the southern U.S.
@j.vinton4039
@j.vinton4039 3 месяца назад
Yea that’s a damn shame, it’s mostly due to the media in Dallas. They’ll always cover Cowboys over any other sport regardless of their current record. 2-12 cowboys will get more news coverage than a Stars team lighting up the league. Thankfully the Stars have built a huge following in and around Texas, so they’ve flourished in spite of the media.
@matthewsecord7641
@matthewsecord7641 9 месяцев назад
When I was in Van, I went to see Van play. It was an event. AND I got to watch Pavel Bure play, and he was inexplicable to describe unless you saw him. I gave up beer because two drinks in your brain couldn't handle watching that guy. You would miss it even when you were RIGHT there. And corporate was very kind in Vancouver, you couldn't afford a ticket and get them from time to time.
@amecarethqc6652
@amecarethqc6652 11 месяцев назад
The nordiques (and Habs) do attract fans from everywhere in the province, not just from the city
@LeCommieBoi
@LeCommieBoi 11 месяцев назад
True dat. When you talk hockey in Canada, you gotta look beyond metro areas
@boskey10
@boskey10 10 месяцев назад
1993 was the highest scoring season in NHL history as well. The 94-95 lockout changed the game completely. The trap-era started, thats why from 95-03 the only teams winning was NJ, Colorado, Detroit and Dallas. The teams with best forwards, a top 5 goalie and solid defencemen. Plus these teams could pay the players salaries, Canada had no chance with loonie. Then, 2004 comes around. Calgary makes it! But loses game 7. Right after that, another lockout. How convenient. The game will never be like it was, just like MLB.
@Chris-dz3rs
@Chris-dz3rs 11 месяцев назад
A factor in Gretzky's trade was his wife wanting to act in Hollywood movies. Saw them both.Not sure if I preferred police academy 5 or the 2 min of a league of their own she was in.
@bobbykiriakidis9753
@bobbykiriakidis9753 10 месяцев назад
Janet was a F list actress even in her “prime” in the 80’s.
@carbo3017
@carbo3017 10 месяцев назад
😂😂😂😂
@JensSchraeder
@JensSchraeder 10 месяцев назад
I think we should create a Canadian only professional league. I honestly believe we could pay players good wages. All the American teams are fluffed up due to revenue sharing. Theres a reason why Bettman gets booed at every appearance. He’s taken the game we love and turned it into a business where the true fans get screwed over. Not everything is about money.
@lukeyarasheski5510
@lukeyarasheski5510 11 месяцев назад
The Canes had a lot if success early. If not they wouldn't have worked out. I have gone to at least one game every season since they moved to Raleigh in 2000. They were in the cup in 01 and won in 06. They made the conference finals twice outside of those seasons before your graph started. Without that success (and zero sports competition in Raleigh) they wouldn't have succeeded
@neilsunstrum933
@neilsunstrum933 11 месяцев назад
Gary Bettman takes care of his little American expansion teams. They have every advantage much like Tampa Bay, Vegas and Seattle.
@anthonylacy8374
@anthonylacy8374 10 месяцев назад
Canes were in the 02 Cup final.
@lukeyarasheski5510
@lukeyarasheski5510 10 месяцев назад
@@anthonylacy8374 01-02 season. Yep
@p4277
@p4277 3 месяца назад
This team had a terrible record when they were the Hartford Whalers. In their entire NHL history in Hartford they won only one playoff series. Most years they didn’t even make the playoffs, at a time when there were only 21 teams and 16 advanced to the playoffs. So it’s not surprising that attendance wasn’t good most years. We can only wonder if things would have been different if the team had done as well in Hartford as they have done in Carolina.
@no-no-no718
@no-no-no718 11 месяцев назад
Many agents have come out and said the taxes thing is way overblown. With the numerous tax incentives it's very easy for a player in Canada to come out with similar taxes as one in the US
@horatiohuffnagel7978
@horatiohuffnagel7978 10 месяцев назад
Im 35. Im a Canadian and NFL is my main thing watch every Sunday. I watch the Cfl playoffs too. I watched all the Raptors playoff games and win the NBA title. That was cool. If the Leafs win one more cup before im dead id be surprised. Lol. They dont care about winning just raking in money from all the devoted boneheads in Canada. 300 dollars a seat min to watch them stink half the time. Lol No deal.
@rickmossop3733
@rickmossop3733 9 месяцев назад
The thing is - a long playoff run would rake in lots of money. Players are paid in the playoffs from a playoff pool. A long playoff run gets you a lot of money without paying the huge salaries. The playoffs are where teams REALLY make the money. So it really isn't true that the Canadian teams don't care about winning.
@j.vinton4039
@j.vinton4039 3 месяца назад
As a Cowboys fan, I can understand and sympathize with Leaf’s fans. To watch your once great organization be ran into the ground year after year with poor management and sub par performances. Funny that the Cowboys and Leaf’s are two of the most expensive franchises in their respective leagues.
@adrianpoesiat
@adrianpoesiat 10 месяцев назад
Bettman took over in 1993. Vancouver was in the 1994 cup final against New York . Not to be a homer but the calls were lopsided. I spoke to a prominent player and asked him about it. He had his suspicions. Regardless, Bettman is a New Yorker.
@drews3755
@drews3755 10 месяцев назад
Thanks for this video! When I do my STATE TAXES IN ARIZONA next spring I'll tell them RobTalksHockey told me there's no state tax in Arizona, so I'm not paying😂
@RobTalksHockey
@RobTalksHockey 10 месяцев назад
Lmao fair. To be fair, AZ state tax is peanuts compared to Canada
@azanocegrog748
@azanocegrog748 6 месяцев назад
The thing about Canadian hockey teams is that there are ~12 million Americans per American NHL team. Only 5 million Canadians per Canadian team. That means that per capita Canada has more than 2x the amount of NHL teams as the US. That makes sense as it is their sport, but it makes it really hard to make the case for another Canadian team. In the league. Moving Ottawa to another Canadian city might make the most sense for QC.
@Rich-ey7jv
@Rich-ey7jv 11 месяцев назад
Why don't we ever hear about the horrendous odds of any team winning the Stanley Cup? It's a less than four percent chance that your team will win a Cup in the next 32 years! If one team wins two cup in in a decade, that means your team may win it once in 64 years. With 32 teams, good luck winning anything. Problem in all major sports now with so many teams in a league.
@zachhoward9099
@zachhoward9099 10 месяцев назад
Damn and I thought MLB with their lack of parity was bad
@geoff3103
@geoff3103 10 месяцев назад
@@zachhoward9099 MLB and NFL its tough just to make the playoffs. NBA and NHL half the league makes it. Doesn't matter if you win 8 games or 80. They need 8 teams per conference.
@danstevens6515
@danstevens6515 10 месяцев назад
There are 7 Canadian teams meaning Canada on average should win 22% of the time making the drought a pretty big statistical anomaly over 30 years
@geoff3103
@geoff3103 10 месяцев назад
@@danstevens6515 watch, Ottawa wins it again. Albeit in another 30 years
@Ljberkow
@Ljberkow 11 месяцев назад
Panthers lower bowl $50? Sure, if you want to see a weeknight game against Columbus and during football season. For weekends and half decent teams, lower bowl is around $120. Atlanta needs an arena in the suburbs like the Braves did. They will draw well. You need to put arenas where fans are, not downtown, in places like Atlanta where there is too much traffic and it’s inconvenient.
@martinutr
@martinutr 8 месяцев назад
As Canadians we need Atlanta to keep on getting teams so that they can move to Canada after they fail.
@TheMightymolar
@TheMightymolar 11 месяцев назад
It's criminal Quebec City doesn't have a team, greed be damned.
@summersky77
@summersky77 3 месяца назад
Criminal? The population of Québec City is only like half a million or so. It's a tiny market. I'm not sure the economics would ever work there and It certainly didn't work the first time. But a million times over, it would always make more sense to put a team back in Winnipeg than Quebec City. Which is ultimately what happened.
@Biffysmalls
@Biffysmalls 11 месяцев назад
The tax issue is a bit of a misnomer. Star players on Canadian teams who take a lot of their money in July 1st bonuses, only pay the corp rate on that amount-15% not 53%
@johnlessar9428
@johnlessar9428 10 месяцев назад
I live in the U.S. You smacked it on point by reporting team owners rake it in regardless of team result in Canada. In the U.S. there are baseball, football and basketball owners in the same position. Big money regardless of outcomes. Teams that lose should pay a financial price for losing. That's the solution.
@angelicaflanagan3483
@angelicaflanagan3483 Месяц назад
I wish Canada would have our own hockey league. it would be much richer than the American one, and then obviously, New York Philadelphia, the American team, that can support themself would join our lead. instead of being a poor hockey league.
@davidreichert9392
@davidreichert9392 10 месяцев назад
Repatriate the Cup and have our own league. People can say it would be a bush league all they want, but on average the Canadian clubs are valued higher than the US clubs on average.
@topgun9666
@topgun9666 11 месяцев назад
Vegas took massive risks to reep massive rewards. Trading out the franchise goaltender and the most popular player on the team was rough. No Canadian team would do that with the risk of blowback from the fans. Vegas has looked at the game as a business and treating it that way.
@flerglnergl
@flerglnergl 11 месяцев назад
More like the casinos that populate Vegas - they've gone in every year and while it paid off for them last season, I'd say look for them to fall off the map at some point.
@danolsen7405
@danolsen7405 11 месяцев назад
Every team falls off the map at some point. Not every team has a cup for their efforts. Full marks to Vegas for making their shot count.
@vinceslapchopper
@vinceslapchopper 11 месяцев назад
Pff, Vegas was given every advantage possible and still almost screwed it all up. Many expansion teams in the past were not given a fraction of what the Golden Knights received during the expansion draft and let's be real, many teams panicked and gave Vegas draft picks and prospects to avoid losing veteran players. They also have the massive benefit of playing in a no state income tax, they were able to stack the deck with big star players and circumvent the cap heavily last year by burying Mark Stone contract during the regular season. If American franchises must succeed on the ice to be financially viable, it's not a good market for the sport because there are only so many teams that can make the playoffs every season. The argument to have more canadian franchises is even stronger then.
@haysbrickell9579
@haysbrickell9579 9 месяцев назад
​@@vinceslapchopperI wouldn't say Vegas almost screwed it up. A cup, a cup final, a WCF, and a semi-final in just their first 6 years of existence are my definition of success. There seems to be a lot of jealousy towards Vegas because of their excellent management.
@vinceslapchopper
@vinceslapchopper 9 месяцев назад
@@haysbrickell9579 everything they did before they won the Cup was vindicated but let's be honest, had they failed to win it all last season everybody would have laughed at how management handled their assets. Especially with all the advantages they received during the expansion draft. Because at some point, you run out of draft picks to trade for rental players, your farm system gets bone dry, your core star players age out, your window of opportunity is gone and it's only a matter of time before you have to rebuild. I will give them props on how they handled the Eichel situation though, it was just stupid from the Sabres to not let him get his neck surgery of choice and Las Vegas took a calculated risk that paid off big time.
@haysbrickell9579
@haysbrickell9579 3 месяца назад
Now this is interesting. Canadian teams since the Canadians won the cup in 1993 are a disastrous 0-7 (assuming Florida wins, which is all but certain) in cup finals. In the last 5 years, just 4 teams from Florida, Texas, and Nevada have made the conference finals/semi finals a staggering 11 times. Now compare that to all 7 Canadian teams making it a measley 3 times in the same time period. It really is a statk contrast.
@LucasGonzalezA
@LucasGonzalezA 11 месяцев назад
The commissioner is a figure that seems to be universally hated in all of the US pro sports leagues. I wonder who's the most hated: Bettman, or Goodell.
@stevet8551
@stevet8551 10 месяцев назад
Tampa resident. It's highly unlikely to get lower bowl tickets for$90. If they are playing the sharks on a Tuesday night, maybe.
@jcalberta5706
@jcalberta5706 10 месяцев назад
The Canadian rinks are packed. The "Problem" is Americans running the league. The Canadian should break away and start their own league. Plain and simple.
@l-wolverine2211
@l-wolverine2211 10 месяцев назад
Well, the problem is that Hockey has become such a Global Sport that it’s almost Impossible for a Canadian Team to win the Stanley Cup. 30 years since the last time it happened, and it’ll probably continue, since most cities can’t fully support their Francises, their Teams, and especially their Fans. I wouldn’t be surprised if most of them had to Relocate to the USA, and there are some cities that are ready to have an NHL Franchise; - Houston - Kansas City - Portland - Milwaukee - San Antonio - San Diego - Salt Lake City
@geohawk7
@geohawk7 3 месяца назад
Such a shame, wish that Canada’s original teams like the Hamilton Tigers, Montreal Maroons etc stayed around since it would’ve been much harder to relocate a team with a long history
@jacksonng3755
@jacksonng3755 3 месяца назад
Here in QC, we acknowledged that the Nordiques will never return since Vegas got theirs and called us "deferred". They've been simply using us as a bargaining chip. Well, we're fed up. Instead, we commit on other things instead of beating on a dead horse. The NHL would have to work so hard to get a hand in our pockets now.
@CT9905.
@CT9905. 10 месяцев назад
In the US, hockey will always Lag behind the NFL, NBA and MLB!
@p.g.944
@p.g.944 Месяц назад
6:10 In Atlanta, with NBA and NFL teams are huge so the part of the market is negligable whereas Quebec would get 100% of the market
@brexit9279
@brexit9279 10 месяцев назад
There is only ONE answer that would bring the cup back to Canada …. GET RID OF GARY BETMAN!
@ronpeacock9939
@ronpeacock9939 11 месяцев назад
The Quebec problem is much same as the Hamilton problem.. Hamilton being wedged between Buffalo and toronto.. and in reality, people forget that the two markets both overlap in Hamilton and probably each other.. hamilton would have no problem taking from Toronto… but people forget that Buffalo can’t afford to lose many fans.. The Media pressure is real.. I’m a Yankee fan and we see it in Baseball.. and Yogi Berra stated.. winning isn’t everything.. it’s the ONLY thing.. I see the same issues with Canadian teams. Now does Bettman favor one market over another as far as winning a cup? As a Sabres fan.. Yeah.. he does.. just look at the Skate in Crease cup.. all through the regular season that goal is called back.. but hey, gotta give a cup to a southern US team.. a team that never should have been allowed to leave Minnesota.. at the same time.. I don’t see him actively trying to prevent canadian teams from winning a cup.. and the tax situation is not as clear cut as you indicated. Yes, Vegas has no state income taxes.. but many states have “Entertainment” taxes.. so that visiting players get taxed on their earnings for every game they play in that state.. (California is the biggest.. but NY does it to as do many others… including the no-state income tax states).. and, the canadian players still get taxed at home too.. it’s not cut and dried.
@stevemercer6976
@stevemercer6976 11 месяцев назад
Leafs owners MLSE stopped Hamilton from getting a team twice. Bettman didn't stop Balsillie from moving the Coyotes, the Leafs did.
@viperswhip
@viperswhip 11 месяцев назад
I think there is a much higher proportion of Canadian people who watch hockey or go to games than the Americans do. I think Quebec would get more fans than Atlanta will. All fans in Canada would support a rebuild in the proper circumstances. There are also States with NHL teams that have taxes similar to Canada. Also, Swedes are very familiar with how life is better in countries with high taxes versus the shitshow that takes place in States like Florida.
@Cosmicllama64
@Cosmicllama64 11 месяцев назад
At the income level that NHL players make (including the lowest paid) - the standard of living difference literally doesn't matter. If you have money, ANYWHERE in the US is better than the best equipped hospital in Canada. Shockingly, the income boundary here is ~ 150k. If you make that in the US, your standard of living will certainly be higher than in Canada, and it will be cheaper. The difference only matters to those of us making less than that.
@fiverjp
@fiverjp 10 месяцев назад
Corruption destroys everything.🙏🏻🌎
@kennymik1509
@kennymik1509 10 месяцев назад
Freakin' WOW!!!! I may an old dog whose socks can almost never get blown off...you video leaves me barefoot. Excellent! Thank you!
@makewhatyoulike119
@makewhatyoulike119 11 месяцев назад
anyone ever considered weather may affect some players' decisions on where they would prefer to live?
@ctaylor8003
@ctaylor8003 11 месяцев назад
Then why would players play in Boston or Minnesota? Everywhere but Winnipeg has better weather than them
@michaellewter8671
@michaellewter8671 4 месяца назад
Exactly..if you're a player who is say an UFA... Who would you rather sign with. the Winnipeg Jets where it can get down to 40 below during the winter. or the Florida Panthers in South Florida where it's over 80 everyday? A player in Winnipeg goes to practice pretty much bundled up.. while a player down in Florida shows up in shorts and flip flops .. it makes a difference mentally...
@plainbagel9192
@plainbagel9192 10 месяцев назад
a salary cap is what's keeping Canadian teams competitive , rewind to 2006 when the cap was set at 39 million, you had these players that were signing to Canadian clubs that would not have been possible at the turn of the century ....
@TheTempleOfBoom
@TheTempleOfBoom 10 месяцев назад
Another death knell for Canadian teams is the fact that all the owners , especially the Canadian owners , signed thier own death warrants when they took the bribe from Las Vegas , to give Vegas an advantage .no other team enjoys, and thats the huge tax advantages for players...the difference between what a player makes in Canada ,after taxes ,and what a player makes in the US , especially Vegas , is stark.
@jasonfougere3274
@jasonfougere3274 11 месяцев назад
As Ive gotten older, my interest is waning on the modern NHL, especially year after year watching US teams playing for the Stanley Cup. I know my love for hockey hasn't waned because I find myself more interested in the history of the game. I'm sad for my disillusionment and want the game that I love back. Gary Bettman has stolen this game from Canadians imo, though I still remember hockey's rich history in Canada.
@juliansmith4295
@juliansmith4295 11 месяцев назад
I haven't watched the NHL for about...hm...30 years. It seems to me something smelly happened to the NHL about 30 years ago. I still love the World Juniors and Olympic hockey, though.
@tomfilipiak3511
@tomfilipiak3511 10 месяцев назад
I am 75 years old,I played hockey for 20,years,at a ameuter level!I studied the game,it’s history,as a 1950s Chicago Blackhawks fan!I love the Montreal Canadians,and the Toronto Maple leafs!I root for all Canadian teams,because the game was invented by them,and it is the greatest game in the world!The issue about the lack of Canadian teams winning the Stanley Cup,is mostly I think a money issue,taxes in Canada,no state taxes in certain states,warmerclimate,and families of players that do not want to live in the great white north!Also,remember,the players today,make a hell of a lot of money,compared to 20 or 30 years ago!A lot of top,tier players,can basically,call the shots at we’re they play!I think that is a big reason,plusEdmonton,has 2 of the best players in the world,that eat up a lot of money,the whole team then suffers!
@wej4life
@wej4life 10 месяцев назад
This is some next level entitlement/delusions lol "stole the game from canadians" "only US teams playing for the cup" Last I checked the league has always had the majority of teams based in the US basically from the beginning, not Canada. Should be treated as a statistical anomaly when Canadian teams can compete for or win the cup, not some kind of birthright. It was a lot easier decades ago prior to league mergers and expansions for Canadian teams to dominate the league bc they had the upper hand, with less teams and less talent in the league to compete against. Things changed quite a bit once more teams got in the mix and players from outside North America started to win here at the highest levels - I'm sure that last part really stings the national pride. Canada still invented the game, still to this day develops the highest number of top end talent, and still dominates the international game - there is no debate there. Further, Canadian players are all over the league in all markets at a higher percentage than players from every other part of the world. However that shouldn't necessarily dictate which professional markets succeed on the ice. Toronto's best skaters are an American and a Swede - are we keeping that same energy if they win a cup for a beloved Canadian market even when the players themselves are not that? Canadians do still win the cup and bring it home in the summer, they just don't do it anymore for teams in Canada.
@juliansmith4295
@juliansmith4295 10 месяцев назад
@@wej4life "Last I checked the league has always had the majority of teams based in the US basically from the beginning, not Canada." All the teams were in Canada when the league started.
@wej4life
@wej4life 10 месяцев назад
@@juliansmith4295 league is over 100 years old now. There's been way more time where the minority of teams were Canadian than the opposite. Even out of the so-called "original 6", 4 teams were based outside of Canada. Canadian players playing on teams != Canadian markets must win. I don't know how to make that any more clear really. You said it yourself elsewhere, you haven't even been watching NHL for the last 30 years. Let's not nitpick or talk about stuff you haven't been paying attention to.
@matthewwilton7778
@matthewwilton7778 10 месяцев назад
Hockey slowly died between 94- 2000. RiP. Even though some of the best hockey was being played in the Era, things had been set in motion
@jayblake682
@jayblake682 11 месяцев назад
With all due respect, the problem with Atlanta had more to do with poor ownership than with poor attendance. The extremely dysfunctional Atlanta Spirit Group (A$G) tried to sell off the team when they first purchased them, the Hawks, and Philips Arena. Their malfeasance was bad enough, but Gary Betman didn’t even lift a finger to try and keep the team in Atlanta. He spent an enormous effort for the Coyotes (and look how that’s turned out), and let True North move the Thrashers to Winnipeg without any issue at all. Now the Jets are struggling with attendance. Everyone outside of Georgia has believed the myth that people in Atlanta didn’t support the Thrashers because it’s lazy and convenient. The truth is a lot different. And let’s not forget that in their 12 seasons, the Thrashers made a single playoff appearance.
@henryca03
@henryca03 11 месяцев назад
Also, then-mayor Kasim Reed did absolutely nothing to help keep the Thrashers in Atlanta, yet he offered tax breaks to now-current Hawks owner Tony Ressler to renovate State Farm Arena.
@jayblake682
@jayblake682 11 месяцев назад
@@henryca03 exactly. The city government and A$G only cared for the Hawks. But it was the fans fault. If and when Atlanta gets a new team, the plan is for the northern suburbs to be their home.
@benblotsky9574
@benblotsky9574 10 месяцев назад
They couldn't keep the team there with ASG still running the arena. I'm sure they would have been forced into an agreement where they got zero suite or parking revenue nor anything from conerts. I wouldn't want ASG as my landlord and that's why no one was going to step up and invest or buy the team. It would have required a whole new arena which they are working on now.
@haysbrickell9579
@haysbrickell9579 3 месяца назад
Now here is an interesting statistic. In the last 5 years, '20-'24, the 4 NHL teams from Florida, Texas, and Nevada made the conference finals ( '21 was actually a semi-final) a staggering 11 times. Now compare that to how all 7 Canadian teams did in the same time period. They succeeded only a measley 3 times making it to the final 4. The 3 states are all low taxes with mild winter weather, and that might have something to do with it.
@Demy1970
@Demy1970 10 месяцев назад
It’s impossible nowadays to try to follow a team without paying money for services and then they blackout the games, forget it, I’ll watch curse of oak island
@therealfanmaster7097
@therealfanmaster7097 11 месяцев назад
Rob: Hockey is becoming less Canadian and the NHL is doing nothing about it! Me: And how is that a bad thing?
@bmac4
@bmac4 10 месяцев назад
Hockey is just a rather variable sport where inferior teams can in fact beat better teams on the day. A better team will win more often, but it's not the same near-guarantee as in a sport like basketball. The Flames, Senators, Canucks, Canadiens, Oilers, and Habs have all been to a Stanley Cup Final in the 21st century, with four of those teams pushing the final to 7 games. As much as we joke about Canada not winning a cup, any of those teams could have won the cup.
@stevenmiller8650
@stevenmiller8650 11 месяцев назад
Great Video Rob, glad to see your channel's success, did not realize you're almost at 100k, I think I still remember your first videos introducing yourself. Keep up the great work man!
@ronmailloux8655
@ronmailloux8655 9 месяцев назад
Hamilton Quebec and even Saskatoon could support an NHL but it will not happen because not only the dollar issue but the promotion of U.S.A. cities. Las Vegas got an unreal draft and head start kind of fishy
@scottprice1626
@scottprice1626 11 месяцев назад
Impeach Trudeau - reason 1,800,000
@JaredtheRabbit
@JaredtheRabbit 11 месяцев назад
What does this have to do with the video?
@deftone330
@deftone330 11 месяцев назад
​@@JaredtheRabbit death by taxes. And you clearly didn't watch part 5 of the video
@mikepurdue7472
@mikepurdue7472 9 месяцев назад
Bettman is pro USA and Anti Canada. He is a biased commissioner. This year, the cup will be won by any American team. But particularly one of these teams: -Seattle Kraken -San Josè Sharks -Columbus Blue Jackets -Minnesota Wild -Florida Panthers These are the American teams who haven't won a cup yet. So of course.. it will be one of these teams. If you are a Canadian over the age of 30, this is so obvious for you to see. We learn how to recognize patterns in grade 2.
@jamespark6416
@jamespark6416 2 месяца назад
Let all the Canadian franchises leave and form an all Canada league instead of 24/7 complaining it’s working out great for the CFL isn’t it?
@mikepurdue7472
@mikepurdue7472 2 месяца назад
@@jamespark6416 I agree at this point. We'll just take the Stanley Cup with us
@vaskoobscura_
@vaskoobscura_ 11 месяцев назад
Awesome video. You make some really good points. Personally I think Hockey in Canada dying. Cost of getting into the game is too high. For players in the game playing in Canada leads to a loss of money through taxes. It's a big mess.
@harlzberg6068
@harlzberg6068 10 месяцев назад
The Canadian Curse theory. Canucks, Flames, Oilers, Senators all made it to the finals even game 7 like the Flames. My cousin worked @ Tavern United in WPG and is by o means a sports follower. I asked her how many people were at the Pub, she said packed but I'm being let go this week along with 15 other girls. I said, how do you know the Jets will lose, they haven't even played yet?
@racingphotographer8251
@racingphotographer8251 9 месяцев назад
TL;DR: Canadian teams in the NHL serve as cannon fodder to prop up the win totals for American based teams
@slayermcrx7519
@slayermcrx7519 9 месяцев назад
there are some trams who could definitely compete for a cup in Canada this season. Winnipeg and Vancouver are some of the top teams in the league right now, and Toronto isn't far behind (if they solve the goalie issue). last I checked, Montreal wasn't playing bad hockey either, and they are the most recent team to have made the cup final. Canada is definitely trying to compete for a cup, and I think they'll get it soon.
@agnethaladuff8559
@agnethaladuff8559 4 месяца назад
You forgot to mention the NHL Officials negligence against the Canadian hockey clubs. There a lot of penalty calls against the Canadian teams and fewer calls agsinst the American teams which determines which team will win the games and it is mostly the American hockey clubs that get special treatment from Gary Bettman and his Referees ever since Gary Bettman became the Commissioner of the NHL.
@alanpaul9481
@alanpaul9481 11 месяцев назад
The NHL could use a tax-adjusted salary cap, allowing teams in higher tax areas to pay the same effective salary as teams in lower tax areas (ie, Teams in Quebec could pay a higher cap number than those in Florida). This would allow players to make decisions on where to play based on equivalent NET salaries, rather than allowing the low tax area players to make more money under the same cap. Also, remedy the East/West issue. There is no reason to keep the inequitable alignment. NHL should readjust conferences to equalize travel requirements, rather than have 1/2 the teams spend 50% more time travelling.
@kennychery9356
@kennychery9356 11 месяцев назад
Great video! Loved the point about the immediate success needed for American teams! The game really is in a bad position in Canada. The Habs has decided to go the way of a rebuild and it looking good. But nothing is garanteed. With the talent that the Leafs have, it's hard to understand how they haven't manage a run at the cup yet (goaltending)! The same could be said of the Oilers! Every hockey fan in Canada should see this video!
@rook1196
@rook1196 10 месяцев назад
Its not all great in america either. Regional sports networks (free money for teams) are going belly up thanks to cord cutting. The licence fee was upwards of $10-14/mo for every customer and you had to take it whether or not you even watched sprots. NBA/baseball are fine w/ seriously reduced local TV money but not the NHL.
@pilar9247
@pilar9247 10 месяцев назад
The team will fail again in Atlanta too. It's just not a hockey market
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