Is Lilith in Episode 8 an Imposter in Hazbin Hotel? 

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@@ayylmaotv it’s probably a redesign or maybe she just changes jewel

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​@@ayylmaotv Maybe this Lilith is actually Eve

This sounds more believable

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Yeah

I was gonna say, the theory that this isn't Lewis would be interesting, if there was any evidence to support it. Simply saying that this isn't low because she decided for a new necklace doesn't seem plausible

Could be. Maybe Lillith and Eve look the same like twins. Lucifer did mention that he took both of Adam's wives away from him during their fight. Perhaps Charlie is actually Eve's daughter and not Lillith's. Maybe that's why she left Lucifer. She could stand raising a child that wasn't hers anymore.

@@elgigante2001daaaaaaaamnnnnnn 🤯🤯 that’s the best theory I’ve heard about this show, been watching viziepop for almost 10 years and she’s def add drama like that in

@@elgigante2001did lucifer give birth to charlie? 😭 Im sorry if that sounded mean but did that just?? Im confused

​@@elgigante2001I'm pretty sure Lucifer says he only takes Lilith "adam's first wife"??

@serenacastro7204 I rewatched the scene. Adam insults Lucifer by saying he is the most hated being in all of creation. Then Lucifer says his first wife didn't hate what he was offering, nor his second. The proceeds to go bow chica bow bow and hump the air.

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literally what I'm thinking

I read that as bread

Might be a reason he didn't call it a Pearl Necklace (Google it...pearl necklace sexual meaning)

Nah it's called the Lisa necklace

Don't expect a Hazbin fan to be any smarter than a dog

Still upset about that that lucifer and lilth Split and that she child while her daughter is in danger lucifer can handle himself

Dude wtf does this say​@jasminkrieger8464

⁠@@jasminkrieger8464and uh did she betray them to become greater than them? Idk it seems odd cause she took her away from Lucifer and ended up being greater than both of them

@@chucanhoang7882 hmm we will see season 2

@@chucanhoang7882 lilith was a complicate being not only in hazbin in diablo ,supernatural ,lucifer series,sabrina teenage witch netflix she was complicated lilith i mean

Not really? Lucifer still wears his wedding ring so they had that already. Vivzie said a couple times before that she likes to design the characters with things in their necks because she’s fond of chokers or other neck accessories, so you can trust this is not a simple design choice, it definitely has a meaning, whether means she’s not the real Lilith or just that she moved on to another phase in her life. This would be the equivalent of changing Alastor’s microphone to a sword or Angel’s pink clothes for blue, for example, you know that this is a design choice that represents the character somehow.

Problem is she's wearing her ring in every photo she's in, smiling and Lucifer still wears the ring yet in the photo of "Lilith" not only is she not wearing the ring, she's also got her face obscured and has a smile just like Eve along with the same hairstyle as Eve was depicted having. It's literally just paying attention to ques left behind.

yeah this was a really bad theory. its like saying in the final fight, the characters werent actually the og characters cause they had different outfits.

@@vSickx different outfit ≠ different design pattern. Lilith wears pearls in EVERY. Single. Picture she is in, even using different outfits in each picture, and for some reason she does not whenever her face is removed. It’s not a bad theory at all. They got different outfits in the finale for the fight however you didn’t see Charlie wearing blue or Angel wearing black.

@@asafin100dude it is kinda a goofy theory. She could have gotten it from Lucifer and stopped wearing it when things got sour. It’s not that hard to comprehend. But what’s hard to get behind is the clone theory.

Or hatred. Black being the opposite of white. It could be a sign that she despises lucifer.

Continuity is for nerds lol

You gonna make the lore whores angry with this one, I am a lore whore but although I can kinda see this happening (think of the MLP clips where things weren't drawn properly or were forgotten) but I think the hair is more important to focus on. But the necklace? That could 100% be them forgetting and when they remembered they drew the wrong one

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I would’ve thought that it was eve because why would an angel ask 𝐋𝐢𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐡, the 𝐪𝐮𝐞𝐞𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐡𝐞𝐥𝐥 for help.

she also doesn’t have her horns

​@@donni1863 none of the portraits show Lilith with horns, like Charlie, they might only come out when she's angry or she might not have them at all (unlikely, but it's most likely that she only has them when she's in a more demonic form) Sorry accidentally made a new comment when I meant to edit this one, she has horns in only one portrait

​@Absolutely_not_an_alien actually lilth has the ability to change her horns. She can hide them away and change their size or shape.

@@Charawashere ah- well, then that still proves my point that she isn't an imposter just because she didn't have horns- if she can control them, then having horns and not having horns can't prove anything about if it's Lilith or someone else

Please listen to me I have a Siri maybe Lucifer give the give her the necklace but since they broke apart she probably stop wearing it or that time where she was holding Charlie she probably didn't have it because she was mad at Lucifer that's my theory 😱😡😨

I think that all the eyes are roo

But you also have to account for the nose. In all the portraits Lilith doesnt have the little black nose like she does now. Im surprised nobody else was talking about it tbh.

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Yeah, she just stopped wearing the necklace

this comment is underrated her parted hair also kinda looks like eve's silhouette

I also thought their was something up with the hairstyle too

Damn your right

Or it can be the light and the fact she has a hat on her head

it's eve (?)

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even though we already know what lillith looks like, people think her facial features are gone because it’s supposed to resemble charlie forgetting what she looks like since she hasnt seen lillith in 7 years. sometimes removing facial features is used to show that the character is being forgotten. i dont know if vivzie ever confirmed that but i think its a cool theory.

They blurred her feature in the card to be cool, but in the show it makes sense. It's not because they want to "hide" what she looks like, it's because it was CHARLIES flashback. That's how she views her mother, she didn't really know her. She said vague yet eerie memory.

​@7ALEKS_ but if you take a look at the foyer of the hotel in episodes early on, there is a family portrait of Lillith, Lucifer and Charlie at the top of the stairs. In the episode where we meet Lucifer for the first time, as Vaggie is coming down the stairs you can see the bottom of the portrait.

@@crybxbyy_that’s actually a really smart theory! Makes sense honestly

@@crybxbyy_ but we literally see family portraits of Lilith so I find that hard to believe Charlie has forgotten her mom after 7 years especially since she's been trying to make contact with her since. If anything Charlie literally says she didn't know Lucifer so the whole obscuring Lilith still makes no sense...

Hi AliceLoverCookies, Yeah I agree with your 1 theorie, I also thought it was suspect the way Lute was talking with “Lilith” , especially when saying her name, it like she was implying to that character TO BE Lilith like when a direct say to a actor TO BE their character on the movie or serie.

I think Lute saying Lilith’s name was her seething, not only did she watch the friend she cared about die, but to her Charlie caused disorder in heaven. By the looks of it she really hates demons. I don’t think they switched places because if they were why wasn’t Eve in contact with either Lucifer or Charlie to keep up appearances. Also in their fight Adam doesn’t react when Lucifer mentions Lilith, as he probably knows where she is, but reacts when he mentions Eve. Meaning that Adam hasn’t seen her but that is a sore subject for him.

Hmmm yeah it’s not you normally say ppls names at them like that

Or it could actually be Lilith and she pretending to be Eve that tone of voice could also mean "I know who you really are remember that" she probably been pretending to be Eve and she said her name to remind her of her deal she had with made "if you want to stay here" meaning it is the real lilith and she been pretending to be Eve The necklace is nothing just look at the hair styles Pay attention to Lilith hair in the pictures with Lucifer Then look at the hair in the scene where she taking Charlie away notice the difference? Go back to the flashback of Lucifer giving Eve the apple look closely to her hair then go back to the scene and you will see they are exact Also Lilith card looks more like Eve in the flashback cause all we get is her smile we already know what Lilith looked like So how come they hid her face in that scene where she taking Charlie? They never once hit her face at all in the show But who do they do hide? Eve they never show her face not once or at least a clear look other then her smile So it is possible they swapped places and that is the real lilith because that tone means she not who she saids she is she made it clear if she wants to stay there proving she doesn't belong They probably got a devorice because she not the real lilith she went from being happy with him to hating him? What if something happened to Lilith and Eve been pretending the whole time? Or what if they both swapped places or what if something happened to Eve? But the difference in the hairs and the way they hid her face makes me believe they swapped places and something probably happened to Eve in hell given we never see her It is possible Lilith did something to Eve so she can take her place in Heaven since they looked alike Adam found out the difference and was going to do something but they had a deal that she can continue pretending to be Eve if he can exterminate the sinners in hell But I really think the woman in the scene who take Charlie away is Eve because she looks a lot like Eve then Lilith it could be the reason why she kept trying to take them apart and why Eve seems so supportive of Charlie's plan of redeeming sinners I don't see Lilith being that way it is possible Eve has something to do with her wanting to redeem sinners and all Like I said it's mostly the hair difference that gets me believe that they had swap places

I like your theory, because first, when lute say that, "Lilith" look upset Maybe Eva is angry about the apple and take the place of Lucifer's love tho make the divorce happend, pull apart charlie from her dad and them leave, so they being sad couldn't concentrate in getting power to defeat the angels exterminators

That‘s because she took Charlie as little child away, the „family“ picture is where Charlie is older, so they was already broken up together, that‘s why she is „disgusted“. But to make an false royality to keep the „minions of hell“ quiet, they playing „happy family“ to show the royals are still „ok“.

As Lilith can change the shape of her horns and lucifer can shapeshift I’m pretty sure she can probably change some of her appearance to

That-that makes no sense

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I personally think Eve is Roo, and that when Eve ate the apple she became the Root of all Evil and is holding Alastors leash and using him to get closer to Charlie, because Charlie is Lilith's daughter and Eve/Roo wants revenge for Lilith ruining her paradise.

​@@Slash_to_your_heartwtf-wtf do you mean

I mean it’s confirmed they’re two different characters

Also heaven probably decided to just make an identical woman for Adam, I dunno but it seems pretty possible. Sadly this theory has tons of holes cause people can literally just change necklaces

There is a theory Eve got turned into Roo (we don't really know a lot about her but she will be a villain in season 2 or 3 and that her name maybe be short for root for all evil) after she eat the apple

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I think you are right. Eve is Charlie's mother. Charlie doesn't know that, and/or has blocked out her memories hence the lack of a face. That will be one of the big reveals of the show and it will ultimately screw Alastor because he doesn't realize that Charlie's real mother is Eve and therefore cannot help free him from Lilith. Lilith probably loathes Charlie, a reminder of Lucifer's betrayal. So she cuts a deal setting forth the extermination in exchange for kicking it in heaven. It also sets up a journey for Charlie to find Eve, who is now the "root of all evil" aka "roo."

I mean…IN the show it’s revealed they had a divorce. That’ll do that.

​@@cryptidnipWhat are you talking about? They are not divorced, just living separate lives, but Lucifer is still waiting for her to call him or something

@@MonsterGulthey are literally divorced, Charlie mentions her parents split up

@@mantelumgamingloilol123 splitting up doesn't neccessarily mean divorcing. they could live in separation and that's also the couple splitting up.

​@@tavprisun That's semantics. The point is that she was unhappy enough in their marriage to leave and take their daughter.

lilithg and eve are the same person. but eve is more commonly used

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@@Big_Boss663 theres a bunch of takes on it according to religion but in some cases lilith is represented as the inner demon of eve that was awakened when she ate the apple that granted her free wil. other times it is just another name for eve. In hazbin hotel, however to the hazbin hotel wiki page lilith is the inner demon of eve. but it hasnt appeared in the show so im not sure if its cannon or not

​@@Lollipophxfdsc the show isn't a 1:1 representation of the original bible stories 😅

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Yeah, Eve=Evil? Seems to be the direction we're headed in. Yeah, Eve's hair is flowing constantly while Lilth's is just constantly swooped back straight.

I just went and watched it and the both have flowing hair. Liliths hair is only still for one scene

we could also mention how the Lilith in the pictures has a normal nose...but the Lilith on the beach in Episode 8 has the same nose with a black spot that Charlie has

I thought it was the apple Lucifer offered and not him taking eve as wife

​@@canyouthefandango3220 Same here! I thought that was the joke? Lol.

It's a fun theory but the woman in the flashback is definitely Lilith confirmed by her being the same in her trading card

It's insinuated that not everybody knows the true story, and that if something happened, it was definitely an affair and not actually being married. He gave her the apple, but he's hiding something that happened after and the world believes Charlie is Lillith's and not Eve's, and only Lucifer and Lilith know and have kept it from Charlie. @@canyouthefandango3220

... *slinks back into the vent with narrowed eyes* damn

When the Hazbin Hotel character is Sus

If its red...

@@Periwinklelove *That is everyone in the cast...*

Kinda sus ngl

That would be awesome

Eve had children with Adam abel, cain and seth

Cain murdered abel out of jelousy through and well After that seth was born

@@jasminkrieger8464 I haven’t heard those names in the show? Maybe they don’t exist in hazbin hotel? ( I could b wrong 😭 )

Where do you get that trading card?

@@aztecwarlord1277 huh?

And strangely enough, based one of 2 images ever drawn of the character, Roo (an upcoming villian that Vivziepop had been teasing since 2019) looks pretty darn similar to Carmen herself. I think there’s more to that character design than just being a simple “design choice”.

EXACTLY LIKE WHAT

EXACTLYYY. The theorists are reeeaching now.

Dude this is madness. People can't spontaneously remove clothes or jewelry.

Every single detail could mean something, it was not like the creators forgot to put the necklace

@@dariyanstefanov8314the animators put characters in different outfits all throughout the series but you draw the line with Lilith?

It's also interesting that Charlie hasn't heard from her mom in 7 years, which is also the amount of time Alastor was gone.

Whose to say Alastor isn't working for the Lilith Imposter? What if he got tricked into thinking he was working for Lilith, but it was really the Imposter! That would be cool as it shows how dangerous the Imposter is if it can trick Alastor of all people.

Omg she did!!! This is such an underrated comment

@@christinabryant9225 I noticed the second I saw her

Lute looks like a Butch Hartman character.

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Rosie is Lilith in disguise confirmed!

For me a good pointer is that through EP5 you see Lilith in the background pictures all the time, hell one even has focus on it. But the actualy woman is shown with as little details as possible. And in EP8 her hair and eyes are also covered. The outlines of both Lilith and Eve are very similair in EP1, only the hair seems a bit different. And Lilith's card looks a lot like Eve

She wore the pearl one once. She's wearing a different necklace every time she has a necklace.

@@MlDDlFF Well you can go find me some canon instances where she wears a necklace which isn't pearl, nothing or her new emo looking one in her less than one minute of screen time because this is the first time I'm hearing about her other elusive necklaces. Also you are literally just wrong lmao, watch the video again and there are at least 3 times she wears a pearl necklace even though her outfit and the time/day changes. 💀

​@@dominiklange8382 Lilith has swept back hair, Eve's is wavy!

with the speculations eve is rue/roo (i.. dont know how to spell her name) that isnt too farfetched of an idea

Or Roo is what Eve turned into after eating the apple and unleashing evil on the world. Roo is canonically short for "the root of all evil". I'm really into the "Eve replaced Lilith and that's why she went missing for 7yrs" theory.

@@alexn5257 Idk, that theory is too common. That would basically be me spraying the ocean. So, I like the uncommon theories even if it sounds insane

Who is roo? I swear they've been mentioned liek, 5 times to me and no one has explained who tf they are

@@thesupernaturalhouse As we said, Vivziepop (the creator of Hazbin) made a tweet showcasing a character she was excited to introduce into the show. It was Roo

@thesupernaturalhouse Roo is a major antagonist confirmed by Vizie to be part of the main series later on. The only description given was "Roo, as in, the root of all evil."

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Its so fucking out there as a theory. At least the vaggie one was based on her having a holy spear. "She changed her necklace on the shot." Alright. Leaving behind the fact that it has been more than 7 years since she last popped up,that would be eauivalent to saying cherry bomb was corrupted by angel miasma and that is why she was so happy about the hotel in the final song

@@Slash_to_your_heart Yeah, completely agreed. This entire theory is based solely on assumptions and speculation. And yet, in less than a week, we will see this crap all over social media, like Reddit forums and the goddamn Twitter. This is just starting to get annoying.

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​@@Geno-xj6ri they were joking

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I think the show contradicts it. In their fight Adam doesn’t react when Lucifer bragged about stealing Lilith from him, with the ending giving context, Adam didn’t care because he knew where Lilith is. But he reacted negatively when Lucifer brought up Eve. Adam probably hasn’t seen Eve in years and is a sore subject for him.

Eve ate the apple.

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@@moondivine2288 what if Eve actually slept with Lucifer, the common idea when he says 'Both your wives liked what I had to offer' is that Lucifer gave her the apple but what if that was not the case and he somehow slept with Eve. it would explain Adam's rage and him being a dick and all it would not be strange for Eve to seek it somewhere else. it could also explain why Lilith left

@@velvety2006 I don’t think Eve slept with Lucifer. He only said that to get under Adam’s skin. Though personally I want to see Eve’s side of the story and not just take Lucifer’s word for it. I do find it interesting that Adam didn’t rub it in Lucifer’s face that he knows where Lilith has been in the past 7 years. That guy does have a big mouth. Though I think Adam is mostly meant to be one dimensional I know why he would be angry. Because Lucifer giving Eve the apple it led to her and Adam being kicked out of paradise. Not only did he face hardship for the first time but later his eldest son Cain killed his other son Abel. Idk if that will be in the show. I think Lilith has another reason for leaving though why would probably be revealed later.

Idk is that really that relevant?all the morningstars have horns,Lucifer and Charlie keep them retracted and only draw them out when their mad Lilith just chooses to expose them more often but she could also retract them if she wanted

You also need to remember that there's a ton of different art styles depicting her too

Eve and lilith share a body. At least that hazbin hotel wiki says

So you didn't watch the first episode?

Are you talking about the dialogue in episode 8? Lucifer was referring to Eve taking the apple he offered, making a joke.

Well he did do the thrusting motion when mentioning everything and Lilith, could also be about the apple. Or both

From what I heard, the apple can also mean sex.

I always understood that the second one took what he offered too as he offered HER the APPLE

Imposter is possible

I actually think he has normal feet just when they where making Charlie lucifer accidentally used his shapeshifting powers and then made Charlie have hooves

Exactly!

I agree after doing the dishes on a Monday night

I think with eve he meant the forbidden fruit

@@Ipennien at 15 minutes in he says, "your first wife didn't hate what I had to offer, or the second" and then he makes a pelvic thrusting motion and makes the "bow chica bow wow" noise clearly insinuating he has been intimate with both women.

@@Ipennien At 15 minutes in he taunts Adam by saying that "his first wife didn't hate what I had to offer" and "or the second" after which he pelvic thrusts the air and says "bow chica bow wow." Making it pretty clear that he slept with both of them.

@@clarissa.explains.it.all82 this could be taken in different ways. It’s not overly clear if that is truly what he means. He was taunting Adam while fighting him. He could have been saying this just to piss Adam off. Which it kind did. The reason Lilith ran from Adam was because she did not want to be subservient to him like he wanted. While Eve was. Lucifer tho pulled Eve away and gave her free will.

@@humanoidrkangel I would argue that it is VERY CLEAR what he meant. The question you are actually posing is whether or not the statement was truthful or not. At this point in the show Lucifer has proven himself to only be earnest and honest so I do not see this as likely being untruthful, we are talking about a guy that called out his own depression. Now it could be possible he did it to throw Adam off in battle. But if you watched the same climax as me, it was absolutely unnecessary as Adam stood absolutely no chance in that fight. The most likely answer is that Lucifer at one point in time courted both Lilith and Eve. Likely Lilith first and then Eve as she gained the freedom of free will and then she had the freedom to leave Adam. Ultimately becoming "Roo" also known as "the root of all evil" which is a character vivzie designed years ago and whose symbol has been hinted at throughout the pilot and show. This is what will mess up the B plot with alastor as he is unaware that Lilith is not actually Charlie's mother and won't be able to help free his soul when the time comes and he requests his favor.

Dont tell him that, it will be too simple to believe