Is Making Money Bad as a Spiritual Person? 

“Seek divine wealth, not the paltry tinsel of earth. After acquiring inward treasure, you will find that outward supply is always forthcoming.” - Paramahansa Yogananda, Autobiography of a Yogi 

My thing I most love to do is nothing, it doesn't pay will as of yet. Always hopefull.

To me this answer of Rupert is helpful. It is as always to look at our intention if it comes from love or from fear. Thanks for sharing.

"Money is the currency of love" That explains much!! Love is the money, the value, the very source, the very presence that seems missing yet is not.

The message that I have been getting a lot is that we still need to do the footwork. We are a partner with our Higher Power.

Money is the currency of control, not "love". Love doesn't have or need a "currency".

Beautiful 😍 so good to be clear about this.

Thank you for that explanation. I have struggled with the very same feelings surrounding money

Wonderful !!

Thank you! Greetings from Vienna

Nothing is good or bad unto itself, expansion of consciousness expresses itself differently to different people. As a man living in the deep 3rd world , I have a relationship with money unintelligible to western individuals tragically.

After self realization i stumbled upon "ask and it is given" works too effortlessly from ones heart. Like an innocent child ones heart manifests things onto the world canvas as Brahman itself 🦚 This type of ease is counterintuitive to the linear thinker to whom every choice has an opposite potential and its a never-ending calculation of right and wrong... Exhausting 🥺. I am finding cultivation of bhakti 💌 to be best addition to life post realization. If "no thing ultimately has meaning" why not spend life in the quality of joy? I have deep gratitude and appreciation for Rupert and this particular transmission 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 Life just reminded me that good things are ok ❤️ Thats a huge one!!!! All of us deserve to ride out the love of God. And this love can be invoked from the Self in the same way we reach into the heart of Self for peace or neutrality and wisdom. World did stop existing at zero point but it also keeps spinning at the same time & it is best to enjoy it. ❤️🙏🏽 Stay hydrated on the carousel 🎠🎠🎠🎠🎠🎠 one love 🙏🏽

Well said Rupert...Money is energy too. There is nothing less spiritual about it...only what ones does with it and how they use it. Money by itself has no real power. Its our ideas around it that lends it power...ofcourse talking abt it in the 'how much to earn n how to spend' context. When we understand 'living in abundance' and live that way at our thought n action lvl...then money is never an issue. What you need will come to you the moment you want but... one must think, feel n act like a millionaire who never for a moment doubts if they can afford an object worth a dime....even the thought must not arise. Similarly, shunning it and never wanting to do anything with it is a fear based mentality of not fammiling in the money trap.. n generally keeps one poor n bioused. Resistance never goes well with abundance.

Money doesn't matter, but understanding do... so, life gets simple with or without money.

That’s why I love Rupert❤️

Thank you 🙏🙂

How beautiful. :) 🙏🏽

Money is the currency of Love. That’s so beautiful.

There exist no “spiritual persons”. Only awareness is. Abiding in pure consciousness has nothing to do with making or not making money. Furthermore, there are no persons. The Self always is and yet people get wrapped up in spiritual jargon and the promise of a future enlightenment. That’s still mind games.. Self is found in silence anytime. Thoughts and mind chattering including any sort of questions to teachers come and go. What remains? There are no spiritual teachers either in fact.

“What is money and why are most people deeply uncomfortable about it in one way or another?” “It is a touchy question because money is not what it appears to be. Money is more deep-rooted. Money is not just there outside in currency notes, it is something to do with your inner, your mind and attitudes. Money is your love of things; money is your escape from people; money is your security against death; money is your effort to control life; money is a thousand and one things. Money is not just concerned with currency notes; otherwise, things would have been very easy. Money Is Your Love - Love of Things, Not of People. “The most comfortable love is of things, and because things are dead, you can possess them easily. You can possess a big house, a palace - you can possess the greatest palace easily - but you cannot possess even the smallest baby. Even babies reject, even babies fight for their freedom. A small baby, however small, is dangerous for the man who wants to possess him. He will become rebellious and he will rebel, but he will not allow anybody to possess him. People who cannot love other people, start loving money because money is a means to possess things. “The more money you have, the more things you can possess; the more things you can possess, the more you can forget about people. You will have many things, but you will not have any contentment because deep contentment comes only when you love a person. The money will not revolt, but it will not respond either, that’s the trouble. “That’s why miserly people become very ugly (nobody has ever responded to their love. How can you be beautiful without love falling on you, without love showering on you like flowers - how can you be beautiful? You become ugly. You become closed. A man who possesses money, or tries to possess money, is miserly and will always be afraid of people because if they are allowed to come close to him, they may start sharing. If you allow someone to come close you, you also have to allow some sharing. People who love things become like things - dead, closed. Nothing vibrates in them, nothing dances and sings in them; their hearts have lost the beat. “They live a mechanical life. They drag, burdened, burdened with many things. They don’t have any freedom because only love can give you freedom, and love can give you freedom only if you give freedom to love. Money is good - money can be used “People who are afraid of love become possessive about money. People who love become non-possessive, money doesn’t matter so much. If it is there, it is okay, it can be used. If it is not there, that too is okay because love is such a kingdom that no money can purchase it. Love is such a deep fulfillment, you can be a beggar on the street and you can sing if you have love in your heart. If you have loved and you have been loved, love crowns you, make a king of you. Money simply makes you ugly. I am not against money. I am not saying to go and throw it away because that is another extreme. It is also the last step of the miserly mind. A man who has suffered too much because of money, who has clung to money and has not loved anybody or become open, in the end, becomes so frustrated that he throws away the money, renounces and goes to the Himalayas, enters a Tibetan monastery and becomes a lama. This man has not understood. If you understand, money can be used. People who don’t understand are either misers - they don’t use the money - or they renounce the money because in renouncing it they are also saving the same mind. Now there will be no difficulty in using it; you renounce it all and escape. But they cannot use the money, they are afraid of using it.”

It is not really self protection, it is self care. This struck home for me how vested I have been in not being loving or caring with myself. Care equal loving equals money. I find I see not enough money and suffer in that place aa familiar as it is, as habituated as it is. I find a hanging on to the concept of feeling unworthy of love, my love. Do I care enough, that I I speak of an ego I an I defined in separation defined in not enough, defined in protecting its life of separation. A deeper I is where I must go, I see this intellectually yet my heart seems disengaged from it.

"Money is a fact of your life; you cannot escape it. You will have to contend with it at least to some degree, even if you assume a very ascetic existence. It is a practical necessity in your life. It presents its own problems, many of which you can avoid and some of which are unavoidable. Money is a resource to which people give great meaning and significance. Money, then, is not the problem. It is the use of money. Here you must look at your motives, your nature and your preparation. Your motives with money will determine how you perceive it, what qualities you attribute to it, how you arrange it in the priorities of your life and what you attempt to do with it. Your nature will determine your predispositions and will color to a very great degree how you perceive money and what role you feel it will play and should play in your life. Your preparation is very important because this will determine how mature you are in your dealing with this resource and how and for what purpose you attempt to use it. Therefore, there is your motive, there is your nature and there is your preparation. The more prepared you are and the further advanced you are in The Way of Knowledge, the more you will use money as a resource and not attempt to use it to build your survival or well-being, your position in society or any advantages you are seeking to claim over others." A quote from *Wisdom from the Greater Community, Book 2* - Chapter 22: Money, a free book by Marshall Vian Summers.

I'm afraid a lot of money hording people will take this advice as excuse to hord and spend even more money because they have so much love for themselves. The question is ... How much is really necessary to take care of your needs?

I don’t know The combined average salary (my wife and I) as an in-migrant who worked for 28 as a High school teacher in Puerto Rico was no greater than $60 000 a year And yet We were able to educate our children (graduated both from Harvard and MIT) and now We are retired happily living in a working class neighborhood and owning a toyota yaris and living from the social security check I don’t think that any body needs $500 000 a year to be happy

Fiat money also happens to be the most pervasive and harmful scam of all time.

People may say this wonderful or useful but another things here that is not to taken lightly not mentioned by the speaker is about "attachment", to think or to wish something with such spans of goal always create attachment and the way Rupert says that to comfort the woman of having that thought is good but he also should elaborate on not getting into attachment, especially if one want to really walk in this path of spiritual growth, so one can be always free, no "hidden" motive and have the desire as a positive things but as we know the egoic nature of human would be at its best when it has its place during the years of acquiring money, i believe personally if one really want to grow spiritually, another thing to consider is to not have a prolonged sense of attachment of this kind energy which we called MONEy

Rupert's answer to this question reminds me of that famous quote from the Buddha: Screw spirituality, I'm going to be KING!

I don't understand this. Every decision or thought comes from the universal self. Obviously non existent illusory separate self can't make any decision. Then what's the problem here?

What if that money is made by killing or exploiting someone or something. What if I love exploiting?

We all have to live and take care of ourselves. Money is the “agreed” form to go around. Some make more money than others, but we can “agree” not to let “others” starve in poverty. In other words a truly social system. Not a system where the philanthropists do their hand-outs. At the same time you can “enjoy” your spirituality diving into the ocean of awareness. When you come up you still have to go to the supermarket to buy stuff for supper. For me spirituality is every day life and that includes money. Having said that I must add that I don't seem to need a 10 million yacht to dive into mentioned ocean 😊.

Whether in Spiritual world or the material world... one needs to make sure that his & family life is comfortable inorder to do the things one loves. Other wise there will more hindrances to achieve the thing you love (e.g God/Self realization in case of spirituality) Balance is the key. Money itself is not bad. It's the selfish desire to earn more than your needs/ comforts that is bad.

Yes it is very bad, spiritual people. You should give all your money to me.

Money is a currency of Love as long as there is no Ego. Good to know for Rupert's egoless audience.

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bling bling rupert.

Can anyone tell me what the lady said at the end? “I have happy joyful tears that….?”

Can barely hear either of them 🙁

And what if you make money by doing what you're good at but not particually love to do?

Rupert, what is divine grace? What do think of Ramakrishna and his experiences and teachings? His experiences with the non-dual teacher Tota Puri? What is it that brings Counciousness back into itself? Why do the great bhaktas experience states of ecstatic bliss? Really, just what is grace? So many self realized brings say that effort is needed at the beginning and then God meets some people half way and graces then with awakening. Gurus can awaken people by their very touch and presence. With Tota Puri the non-dual guru of Ramakrishna, he had an experience where he realizes that Maya, Shakti, divine mother was truly in charge and nothing can happen outside of divine will. What is that which allows people to come to God or keeps them blinded by Maya? I understand that what that is is one with us, it is us, and it's beyond human language and the limited understanding of the finite mind but still there's seems to be an intelligence there directing the lila. Saints like Neem Karoli Baba, Amma, Anandamayi Ma speak as if there's an intelligence as well guiding the play. Even Nisgardatta Maharaj seemed to give great value to his guru as the reason he came to realize the self. Why do that when you have realized the sameness between you and the guru unless their was an understanding of grace? What is grace? When I look it up, this is the definition of Gurus grace-. The Yogic path of guru's grace is known as gurukrupayoga, and it is thought to be the most rapid form of spiritual progress. Devotees can only advance on this path if the guru wills them to do so, and this willingness is also known as the guru's grace. The guru can offer this grace through eye contact, a sacred word, thought or touch of the third eye, but only if the devotee is thought to be karmically ready. This even refers to the will of the guru which is obviously divine will but still it implies an intentionality of God. What is that?

There is the practical individual question of money as a necessity, and there is the question of money in itself and its net effect on the world. It is not correct to say that money is an inert substance that merely reflects the choices of the "free" agent that uses it, just as smart phones are not merely "tools" to streamline our daily lives. Money has a normative effect on the individual and society. If one looks at any problem, any source of conflict in the world and asks "why?" enough times, the answer will always come down to money. One reason this could be is that we have designed money as interest bearing debt. Unlike these enlightened masters living continually in the "moment", money is always in the future and forces us to do the same. Money is an IOU, a promise to pay in the future. This allows and incentivizes a cycle of endless growth and speculation because there is always less money in circulation than there needs to be. This imbalance is necessary to drive the economy "forward" and necessarily results in the commodification of more and more of the world, from raw material into "goods and services" ad nauseum, ad infinitum. It is a mistake to characterize this as a "choice" per se , since most people simply have to adapt to the conditions they find themselves and "provide for their families". The indigenous people in the Amazon who lived for millennia without money suddenly find themselves in a "world economy" which cannot see the rainforest as anything other than "raw material", "potential farm land" , "potential this, or potential that. So they are forced to either fall in line or face extermination. To me this is the antithesis of everything that Rupert seems to be advocating which is to "live and let live".

Money is fuel ⛽

"You do what you love you earn money from it " Is spreading spirituality work? Is love a commodity, in fact is spirituality a commodity to be traded for cash? A friend yrs ago was devoted to a guru in India. He amassed a large following and material assets. He decided to go into deep meditation (near a fire) for months. She and many others waited for him to come back from this state with more spiritual epiphanies . He walked out on stage and said I'm closing the Ashram and using the assets to help the poor. Go back to your country and do good deeds to those who need it

Money is medium for exchange. Focus not on the money but what is being exchanged. The organism needs to survive. It will need to engage in an activity to meet survival needs unless it's being provided by another organism. "Spiritual Person " is a profile/ user interface created by the organism as an identity.

A question Rupert: Ramana Maharshi says in verse 3 of Upadesa Undiyar that "Niskamya Karma" (Totally selfless action of a fruit or benefit) which is one of the most powerful ways for the purification of the mind, i.e., for example transmitting spiritual teachings without expecting a reward of money in return but doing it solely for the love of sharing or spreading them. In this sense, I can put love in what I do by transmitting a teaching but if I did not expect any reward why would I ask for the payment of money in return? Wouldn't it be more coherent to get the money from other work instead of doing it in exchange for transmitting a teaching that should be for everyone without economic conditions?

Eckhart Tolle is worth $70 million. Money doesn't seem to bother him any, so why should it bother us?

Hola ¡ si tot es cuidat per la Vida, que som i ho es tot, tota confiança en això ¡

We only know that the world will be fine one day, and only poverty and starvation will end one day. We can say that once all the politicians die and also the death of the currency, everything is available in nature in fact but they are just trying to prevent Those blessings are from us, and we as human beings must do anything to get food and drink, no matter how bad this thing is...

This topic is far more complex and people want a new age feel good explanation. Ruperts title for this topic does not help or add clarity. New agers will say money is energy))))) uhhhhh sure everything thing can be described as energy: soil, trees, plants, etc. etc. How does the monetary system actually work never enters into the conversation.Which is similar to not knowing how an engine works but calling it energy. Its naive

Those looking for an answer to this title should read, The Science of Getting Rich by Wallace. Money like everything is neutral. We learn through society, music, uneducated people that money is evil. Reality is, money is a tool that's it, simple as that. Money should never be a goal but a tool to navigate this modern age. You have to be realistic and honest with yourself, it's much easier to do what you want when you have money vs being poor and struggling to survive. Also money does not equate happiness but it certainly does help, ask someone in a low income living check to check if they are happy. We give money a meaning, good or bad, if you see it as evil or as some sort of limitation for spiritual advancement then that's what you'll get.

Yes. Everyone who is spiritual knows that all you need is air, sunlight and your law of attraction book. Anything else is just selfish materialism 😂

Overwhelming majority of all spiritual seekers are usually well off without having to have basic existential materialist needs met anyway. Do you really believe an average 9-5 worker can afford to go on retreats and whatnot whenever their heart desires since most of them don’t have anything better to do in their lives 😂

It's not bad to make money. Although money in itself is bad imho. And the people controlling all of our money (and our lives) are even worse. Capitalism is the worst form of 'living together' as humans in my opinion, because it's based on price not love.

We all need money to operate in the physical realm. If one is spiritual therapist of some sort, and that is what you do, you have a living to make, so charging is a no-brainer. The difficulty can come when one faces the temptation to convince clients that they need more therapy or teaching. That's where it can get dodgy. Keeping the karma squeaky clean is a job in itself.

I Love Money

I like Rupert’s teachings and….Sure, money can express Love. I want to understand why some people simply cannot access money through love. The response seems oblivious to systemic issues, power, privilege…group shadows we face like racism, income inequality…I genuinely want to hear more from spiritual teachers taking into account the systemic aspect.

money is as good as the user ;)

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Not if you're Rupert Spira lol

God is money. Actually we are gods. So, at the end of the day it is a cycle. Money matters. The most spiritual people have lots of money. Telling you by experience. Money solve many problems.

money's just a symbol for energy that man created. Energy can't be good or bad; it depends on how it's used. People who chase prestige and admiration scare me a lot more than people who chase money. Donating to charity is an egotistical action; donating *anonymously* is outright narcissism

Money can be the currency of love, if you distribute equally with everyone.