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Is Montreal's REM light-rail really faster than driving?

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Montreal's new REM light-rail is poised to forever change commuting, but we wanted to know if it's really a more efficient way to get into town. CBC reporters Kwabena Oduro and Matt Lapierre took the same route on a direct bus, the light-rail train and a car to see which one would actually get you to work in less time.
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@amswitzer Год назад

As others have pointed out, this test was done during the summer construction holiday when a lot of businesses give their staff vacation on top of the construction industry workers. Also, schools are on summer vacation. Try this again in mid-September. Even better -- wait for the first snowstorm and try then. More importantly, there are two factors that are not included in this test: Cost and Stress-level.

@LoveTransit Год назад

and CO2

@vkobevk 11 месяцев назад

from my experience it took cote vertu to brossard 50 minutes in car it is possible, but it depend of time and if governement doesnt try to shut down highway

@Hemant.s 9 месяцев назад

End of the video

@stephenspackman5573 3 месяца назад

There's also the question of whether the availability of the REM reduces congestion and artificially improves the car time…!

@ShadowVipers 2 месяца назад

@@stephenspackman5573 I would suspect yes, but only once phase 2 is made available to the public sometime in 2025.

@mirrenbodanis5224 Год назад

So excited for the way our slow abandonment of cars is making a better future! Even with the few issues we've seen the rem is faster, safer, and more comfortable than driving! big slay!!!

@OdinWannaBe Год назад

fewer cars is the future of any big city,

@nasreddineel-dahabi9167 7 месяцев назад

Yo doppelganger

@kevinlavigne7308 Год назад

Montreal, doing urbanism right. Now if only the rest of the country would take note.

@jeanbolduc5818 Год назад

The rest of the country meaning english provinces are at least 10 years behind Quebec for green energy , transportation, , sustainability, Montreal ranked # 1 in the world . Montreal is unique and cannot be compared to any other city in North america . Toronto has a USA car culture and people are living around concrete buildings and in ghettos ... Montreal is like New York and europe for culture , arts , architecture and a city alive

@o67_ant Год назад

@@jeanbolduc5818 Montreal wasn't amalgamated as rest of canadian cities

@benvad9010 Год назад

It was and the powerful municipalities rejected it.

@Toronto_Luddite Год назад

@@jeanbolduc5818 Meh, visiting from Vancouver I wasn't so impressed. It is pretty great; the subway, the mid-rise apartments everywhere, smaller streets etc.. and in that sense it's unique and appealing, but I wouldn't say that it's necessarily more compelling. It's a neat city that I'd like to visit again, but despite Vancouver's somewhat homogeneous aesthetic, extreme cost, generally larger roads, and bimodal housing distribution, the transit system as a whole is more usable and imo has less of a car culture than Montreal, but that's just a brief impression. The food is hyped pretty hard in Montreal, and the place is kind of assumed to have more "culture" whatever that means, but it took a surprisingly long amount of time to find anything that wasn't likely to just be average while walking around. Many of the same chains as any other city, and fairly predictable touristy areas. It was quite pretty in late Dec though and I'd be happy to return to explore what I'm sure is a hell of a lot that I wasn't able to see. If I knew French, I'd probably pick it over Toronto, Edmonton, Winnipeg, and Calgary. Vancouver could really take a few pages out of Montreal's book in terms of embracing public art, but Montreal could take a lesson from SkyTrain and figure out a better payment system

@shauncameron8390 Год назад

@@o67_ant Thanks to the Anglo-majority on-island suburbs fighting for and winning their independence from the central city.

@rlwelch Год назад

Not only is it faster, you get to do something with the time - you can read, text, have a snack, and do literally anything else other than stare over a steering wheel.

@shauncameron8390 Год назад

That's because driving requires you to pay attention at all times.

@rlwelch Год назад

@@shauncameron8390 It is wild we just accept the idea that we need to personally do all the work to get us from A to B. The amount of time and energy we spend focusing on steering and accelerating a car is incredible ... when actually, we can just have a bus driver, train driver, or autonomous train to it for us. We don't need to accept that

@vkobevk 11 месяцев назад

the true test it is from cote vertu to brossard or montmonrency to brossard for me it took 50 minutes can a car laval to brossard is faster ?

@bobbyrabbit9650 4 месяца назад

underrated point

@libshastra Год назад

REM is running at slower speed and frequency. Despite that it was still faster.

@mrxman581 Год назад

And it will probably get faster with time as they fine tune the system.

@mrxman581 Год назад

The Montreal transit agency should use this video as a promo.

@jeanbaptist6255 Год назад

Ram stayed the same speed. Regardless of is the road is open or busy. So tie or win.

@williamharris6301 Год назад

You should also take into consideration the cost of the Rem and the cost of gas and wear on your car. How many tons of co2 will this eliminate.

@Gwenpool2369 Год назад

Don't forget insurance and property tax on your car

@gerard5705 Год назад

Another thing to consider, when i was commuting by train (in Dublin, Ireland 30 years ago). A collegue and I set out at about the same time to work, we lived near each other. He maintained that his (slightly longer) journey was a few minutes faster than my train ride. And when we go to the office he would read his morning news paper. But i had read the paper on the train, so my journey (though longer) was mor eefficient...

@louisjohnson3755 3 дня назад

Taking the REM doesn’t make you pay 30000 every 5 years. REM doesn’t make you find parking. REM doesn’t make you pay for parking. REM doesn’t make you get car insurance.

@szeloklau7380 Год назад

yall should have tested my bestie, the bus 90, to compare when yall had the chance. it used to take me 35mins max during rush hour on school days and legit 15mins during non-peak hours. it never let me down 😢 i miss the fast commute so much

@BearVibes Год назад

Station to station, it will be faster. Home to exact work location, not so sure as you'll probably end up using 2 or 3 different method of transport. This said, I'd still take the REM over any transport mode.

@josephmaxwellpo1157 6 месяцев назад

If I could contribute in the comments, it's this: Years before the construction of the REM, the only public transportation travel routes between the city/island of Montreal and the South Shore were some of the RTL buses, the STM's Yellow Line and The AMT (currently called EXO) commuter train lines: Mont Sainte-Hilaire and Candiac, except that both the Candiac and the Mont Sainte-Hilaire Train Lines operate on the weekdays only.

@murdechoc 7 месяцев назад

You should also compare it to somebody going in other parts of Montreal and having to transfer to other metro / bus lines and the walks between them. And also, it's not everybody who lives near to the REM station. That's what happens often: the metro or bus can be fast during rush hours, but if you have 2 transfers in your route, that's gonna be a very long trip. And because the REM can't be directly connected to the metro, it adds even more transfer problems. Another huge problem is the fact there are no really good prices of tickets for people owing cars. I remember having a job where I could use the metro to get, but because I had a car, it made no sense to pay for both car fuel and a metro pass. But if I could buy a bunch of tickets for a decent price, it would make me take the metro more often.

@StefanBracher 4 месяца назад

Another question that could be asked: How much faster and more comfortable is the transit with the REM compared to the express busses (South Shore) and the electric train (Deux-Montagnes) it replaces. - Maybe a video idea for when the next branch goes into service?

@rogerbelanger6712 Год назад

You used the construction vacation to do your test. Do it again in september.

8 месяцев назад

So many things can differ, how long you wait for the bus, mal functions on the train, works on the streets, where in Montreal you want to end, from where in Brossard you want to start… etc

@myledang Год назад

Is Ottawa's LRT train really faster than... walking? NO

@sylviard1191 Год назад

Going station to station is not a fair comparison. I don't think Gare Centrale is most people's final destination. For me, my work is 30 minutes from Gare Centrale by public transit, whereas the same distance gets done in 10 minutes by car.

@jeanbolduc5818 8 месяцев назад

Of course the REM is faster and better for the planet .. cbc should spend money on real cultural news Since a lot of Canadians do not know anything about Canada

@ajjeff1033 Год назад

Do it second week of September and get back to us.

@willgart1 8 месяцев назад

the biggest problem of your demonstration: nobody is going to the gare central by car. next time try to go somewhere else in the city, like going to the mc gill university, or Olympic stade or the different hospitals. or more to the east or west. anywhere which is away from a 10 minutes walk from the gare centrale. in this case, the car wins, because the public transport in montreal is not designed to support the city but only the buildings around the gare centrale.

@thomascorner3009 Год назад

I don't understand people judging new public transports only on whether they are fast or not. First because the most important factor is the level of CO2 emission: if we do not cut down on emissions quickly, Humans will go extinct. Second, we spend more time in recreational screen watching each day than commuting. So how about cutting down a few minutes on that pleasure time to help the next generation having a future worth living.... Let's stop being so spoiled and selfish.

@DeeLove4ever Год назад

Buses run on water or something?

@ThisWontFly Год назад

@@DeeLove4ever Does the concept of emission per person say something to you or does that surpass your capacity?

@vkobevk 11 месяцев назад

@@DeeLove4ever technically yes with electric bus

@timeimp Год назад

"light-rail" err, idk, that seems like you spelt "metro" wrong 🤣

@SonsOfSevenless Год назад

Azur MPM-10 metro: 1600 passengers REM: 600 REM is light rail, like Calgary or Ottawa.

@binoutech Год назад

@@SonsOfSevenless Rem is designed to have 90s headways unlike most light rail systems, it also has full go4 automation and platform screen doors.

@SonsOfSevenless Год назад

@@binoutech light rail vs heavy rail is about capacity. It's not about headways or automation or platform screen door s

@binoutech Год назад

@@SonsOfSevenless In terms of capacity/hour, the REM beats any "light rail" system by a solid margin. It also shares more common caracteristics with metro systems than "light rail" ones. The system runs Alstom Metropolis trains which are from the same family as the MPM-10 from the Orange and Green lines. Light rails systems tend to use "lighter" vehicles such as Siemens LRV or Alstom Citadis or Flexity which look more like trams. Light rail systems also don't feature GO4 automation. The capacity of each vehicle doesn't really say much about what type of system it is. The Paris metro runs 3, 4 and 5 cars trains and the Montréal metro used to run 3 cars trains on the blue line. So if the deciding factor is vehicle capacity, the REM is still a metro.

@SonsOfSevenless Год назад

@@binoutech in public transportation terms it's a "pre metro" which is a light rail train with metro characteristics. In modern north American terminology this would be called an LRT. Calling it a metro is a misnomer, Montreal has a metro, and it's not the REM. the maximum theoretical capacity/hour is actually lower on the REM than the Deux Montagnes commuter rail line it replaced, because the trains carry 600 passengers instead of 2000. The REM train has nothing to do with the MPM-10 Azur also, what "family"?

@robertskolimowski7049 Год назад

Brilliant👏

@vincentng2392 Год назад

1:34 Why didn't Kwabena use Carte Opus?

@OpCzar Год назад

Because he doesn't actually use public transportation himself.

@pll9000 Год назад

I'm surprised cash is still in use.

@vkobevk 11 месяцев назад

it is only useful if you use often if it is only once it is cheaper to buy ticket from machine

@agagnech Год назад

its vacation time. dont forget.

@Justin10000 Год назад

Not an accurate reflection of how people travel. A commuter will drive from their house, not from Brossard Station. From door to door, the car will always be faster to downtown, but that isnt what attracts riders to transit. What the South shore needs is a efficient and predictable bus network serving the REM, so people will have an option other than the car from their front door that is reliable and predictable. That is what people want.

@kateb2643 Год назад

He took the bus to the station though. It took him 6 minutes

@vkobevk 11 месяцев назад

sorry dude, but the true game over is metro+rem from cote vertu to brossard it took me less of one hour and i am confident it is same time or shorter from any metro station to brossard in car it is only possible without traffic jam and if they dont try to block higway with their damed construction

@raulnino 4 месяца назад

Happy 🌎 Day! REM!! Public transport beats personal autos any day in an urban environment. This news piece never ventures into the cost of “owning” a car. 1. cost of vehicle (almost always borrowed = debt = interest paid on debt) 2. Insurance payments, yearly 3. Municipal taxes, often more than one, paid yearly 4. Maintenance of vehicle, sometimes daily 5. Fueling the vehicle, daily 6. Parking cost, paid multiple times each day (if you’re a renter you’re paying each month meaning each day. Then after just a few short years you have to do it all over again$$$ Cost of public transport: 1. A monthly pass 2. A weekly pass 3. A daily pass 4. A one way ticket No searching for parking. Lots less stress. Time for reading. Time for talking face to face with another human being. Time for a nap, or time to simply think.🌎

@gekogals128 Год назад

This would have been better top gear style.

@solar1913 Год назад

You can go by bike on Champlain so Hammond could have pedaled to Montreal

@take25again Год назад

Hey thats my bus stop 🥲

@marztecheque Год назад

So much elevated above ground open air light rail is a great fair weather solution. I really hope Montreal gets a lot of "fair weather" this winter. And every winter from now on

@jeanbolduc5818 8 месяцев назад

The trains ran last winter and built for ice, snow, cold , wind and the bridge always moving

@Innuya Год назад

Is "the construction holiday" a real thing?

@matthewdo7947 Год назад

I've been trying to get hold of a plumber and all are on construction holidays.

@jasonlabrecque8852 Год назад

Yep. Two weeks here in Quebec where most construction workers and contractor work shuts down.

@Innuya Год назад

@@jasonlabrecque8852 is it a union/"union" thing? I reckon a contractor could make a killing if they worked those two weeks if everyone else is off

@felixhurteau2630 Год назад

@@InnuyaIt's not legal to work those two weeks in the construction industry, unless it's emergency construction but then you need to pay all your employees twice their salaries.

@ionutp11 5 месяцев назад

No offense but the REM is not a good thing it is not reliable it keeps having problems car's dont buses are sometimes late

@soton5teve Год назад

Why isnt there a city which is just all forest and grassland with the odd skyscraper dotted around and a monorail connecting them

@TheRandCrews Год назад

Literally Vancouver???

@srmjo 6 месяцев назад

Speed, duh. There is so much more hanging on the choice than time. So what if driving an expensive wasteful polluting SUV gets you there a few minutes sooner?

@maphouse Год назад

lol

@DeeLove4ever Год назад

I live in this area. No way your getting in town faster by public transportation especially with the new bridge. Not to mention, why didnt the test end when the car is parked?

@dylanc9174 Год назад

If they built it right it should always be faster.

@jeanbaptist6255 Год назад

They were against open mid day roads. Beats case for the car. Rem is still running at low frequency and slow speeds. It's only up from here

@vkobevk 11 месяцев назад

i tested i can tell you metro+rem is faster, in car you are often stuck in traffic jam so from green line or orange line to brossard you can go to brossard in less of one hour

@rogerbelanger6712 Год назад

It is NOT a light rail, nobody calls it LRT. It is a Métro like Toronto

@jonathandpg6115 11 месяцев назад

its a light rail actually

@rogerbelanger6712 11 месяцев назад

@jonathandpg6115 lis sur ce lien la réponse et il faut cesser de toujours utiliser des termes anglais car ils ne sont pas aussi précis que le terme français fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_m%C3%A9tros_l%C3%A9gers_du_monde

@robelanger4242 4 месяца назад

this is the most useless comparaison

@coco_k Год назад

Vancouver has Skytrain, and it takes about the same time as the cars as well. I think they do it on purpose because if the train is too fast, everyone will be using the train and it will be too busy.

@Toronto_Luddite Год назад

Usually faster and cheaper on the train. Haven't considered buying another car in a long time.

@Ruzzky_Bly4t 7 месяцев назад

Interesting conspiracy theory, but it makes no sense. The Skytrain already operates at great frequencies, it's not artificially limited to not be as good as a car.

@OpCzar Год назад

Short answer? No. Long answer? Nooooo.

@shauncameron8390 Год назад

The REM is no more faster than the Metro on an average weekend.

@danboy3818 Год назад

Does our tax really pay for that kind of stuff ? 😂😂😂

@mikeamber2528 9 месяцев назад

Yes, because that's the future of cities. Not cars.

@kevinimp8217 Год назад

only if its during traffic otherwise just drive thats faster

@cvetlanasvet1107 Год назад

I hate your REM. You ruined life on Ile des sœurs. Now I need a car even to make groceries on Ile des sœur. When I am returning home from McGill metro at 5-6 pm There’s a huge line of people waiting to go back to Ile des sœur. Before it was every 10 minutes bus. Now it’s 30 minutes…. Same in the morning. I need to go to the down town or green line metro McGill. I don’t want to take bus, then REM, then go 10 minutes to get the green line. Before I just used 168 bus.

@booketoiles1600 Год назад

Good thing there will be a rem station right at McGill then, that will be a pretty fast commute for you once it's fully opened

@cvetlanasvet1107 Год назад

@@booketoiles1600 in 2 years ?!!! Return my bus schedule until you will be open.

@jaymzb3574 Год назад

propaganda news metwork pushing what they push best

@930Tony Год назад

Can't catch covid in my car - or a knife.

@JermaniBurroughs 7 месяцев назад

Bro too scared Fr

@jasperli 7 месяцев назад

But you could easily catch a T-Bone. The likely hood of you being involved in a collision is FAR higher than anyone being mugged or shanked on Transit.