Is Otis the Villain of SEX EDUCATION Season 3? | Explained 

The real villain is poop sock

Blame the rushed writing, and the juggling of too many characters.

Agreed

indubitably

"The grow up moment" when you realize that fictional characters are not real and that they are controled by writers.

Agreed, I was pleased that Maeve didn't give up a massive opportunity just for Otis. The girl deserves so much happiness, and hopefully she and Otis will ACTUALLY get together in Season 4!

same

Maeve x good laptop ftw

i want her to have everything she wants tbf: be with otis, continue writing so she can go to uni, be with her family, continue her strong friendship with aimee

But sadly thats not how drama shows work 😭😭

as they should!

@@faaye8504 Why?

they did Eric so dirty

No I would say that Maeve and Otis are still main characters but Eric definitely had a lot of story lines replaced by Adam. They’re just adding so many new characters and focusing on side characters like Adam, Jackson, Mr. Groff, and Aimee that it just feels that the main characters aren’t as important to the story as they actually are.

a good ensemble grows beyond the main characters.

Preach, Adam Groff must be protected at all costs!

??? he got out of a relationship with somebody who didnt want to be with him Id say thats winning

@@LordOfDhara ... but he got cheated on before that, that's not cool

@@VictoriaClerici Also it was made to seem like the breakup/cheating was his fault rather than Eric's which he definitely didn't deserve

@@rebeccadodd1394 Exactly. Like he's still trying to understand himself. He's so behind, because he didn't know himself much like his father, Michael Groff who figured himself out much later. Eric knows himself, so if he wasn't comfortable with Adam or something, he should've ended it earlier.

right 💀

Lol for a long time when my boyfriend said I love you I literally used to reply with that’s nice 😂 some people just suck verbally expressing things

Ola laughed at him. I rather a thats nice than sm1 laughing in my face

He couldn't have insisted on making their relationship more and more serious when he was in love with Maeve

Yea, I don't know what some fans expect. They would rather have Otis lied to her and say I love you too to avoid hurting her? That would hurt her more once she knows he is lying. Also, I don't understand why they want Otis and Ruby together after all that happened, like I wouldn't like to be with someone who didn't chose me.

@@roycema he was trying to move on from mauve a poor attempt might I add but you see that Otis does care for ruby enough to want to date/care for her. If he and mauve had their feeling sorted out sooner then no one would been hurt.

I mean, he could not have kissed Meave like days after they broke up (when she said i love you) thats the part that sucks for me

@@martinacosta3821 common now he was waiting for god knows how many month's 🤷 For me Ruby was just there till thus season so I didn't really care for her

This!!! I don't understand why there are so many people getting mad at Otis for not reciprocating Ruby's feeling as much as she did! It's not always 50-50 in a relationship, sometimes one loves the other more and sometimes it's the other way around. And it takes time to develop feelings, especially intense feelings like love. I know it sucks when someone you love don't love you as much (or worse, at all) but it's a bitter pill you have to swallow in life. You can't force feelings on people. If Ruby had been more understanding and given Otis more time, their relationship might have developed further. This goes to show that SexEd stands out in a way that there's no real "heroes" or "villains", there are just people who make mistakes and mess up like every human being does.

Totally agree. None of us are perfect and as we develop as human beings we make mistakes along the way.

"Thank you" is actually a more appropriate response to a declaration of love than "I love you too". It's the love you are grateful for, the other person isn't (or at least shouldn't be) asking you for a declaration of love in return. Just declare your own love when you are ready and don't pressure someone into saying something they aren't feeling or aren't ready to say. I'm not saying this is always an easy thing to do. It requires honesty, humility and possibly a whole lot of patience. Still, I believe it's the right way to act.

@@jessicavermeer7811 ....yeah I feel somehow had Otis said "thank you" instead, it would've been better.

lmao you're basically Friends' Emily

Same, so.many feelings!!! ❤❤😭😭

Yeah, I don't like Isaac as a character, but I loved that scene with him and Maeve.

I also loved Issac telling Mauve he deserves to be with someone who is 100% sure of their feelings for him. Such great representation! ❤️

Oh my god I saw the scenes and I thought "I've never seen anything like this!" I am not visibly disabled but I was on the verge of tears. Yes! We need more of this!

I also love how he broke things off with Maeve after finding out she kissed Otis. Unfortunately a lot of people think that if you're disabled, you should "take what you can get" and therefore disabled people should continue to be with someone even if that person hurt them or is a terrible person. I love how they didn't push that bullshit narrative by having Isaac and Maeve go back into a romantic relationship. He knows he deserves better and won't take anything less just because he's disabled.

Yeah, some good faith critique is my plus.

TALK YOUR SHIT KENZA👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

I blame the trend for hot takes, which incentivises people to say something surprising that *sounds* smart over something obvious but true. (Btw your English is excellent.)

I think people should always be called out for shitty behaviour. Whether they they are the protagonist or the antagonist.

@@funpolice5821 Well I definitely agree with you here ! But that’s not really my point, I’m not saying that we shouldn’t call out some characters’ shitty actions because they aren’t the main villains, but that by saying these characters are actually the "true" villains, I feel like it undermines the actions of the antagonists that the show runners intended and it's gravity. Like sure, Otis and Eric (and many others) have been acting like dickheads during this season and I’m all for calling them out, I’m invested in their character arcs and I want to see them grow out of their flaws, but personally I don’t believe that teenagers cheating on their boyfriend or being a jerk to their loved ones sometimes is worse than a school principal using their authority to bully and/or shame their students into submission. It’s the lack of nuance that tends to bother me I guess, hope I made myself clear !

It would be so interesting exploring polyamorous relationships throug Eric, it would give him a great character developement. I would love it!

Fr this motis/rotis debate is getting old. Maeve is better off without otis anyway

@@misssteak1290 how better off without him care to explain? 😂

@@JaySewani maeve just has a lot going on her plate, with studying abroad and getting good grades and all, the last thing she needs rn is a relationship

​@@misssteak1290 I love Meave, but honestly she has also broken Jackson and Isaac's hearts, which people just conveniently forget about. This became apparent to me when she chose Isaac after Motis first kiss scene

Honestly, hope they don't make another season. This open ending is perfect.

YES IT WAS SO GOOD also it was shot beautifully, and the swelling piano in the bg genuinely made me emotional

exactly! that scene made me want to fall in love again and i cried

Maeve and Isaac just work better together overall tbh. He's not perfect but definitely better than Otis. They work much better as friends than any romance involved.

Finallyyy someone said it!!!!🙌

it wasnt hot at all lmao

It lives in my head

Ditto, Eric has cheated on both of his boyfriends now, and Adam definitely deserved so much better!

Y e s

@@astrident8055 Nigeria wasn't his home country, he was from the uk lol.

@@astrident8055 It is not about the fact that he wanted to be with more than one person a a time That is completely fine and great for him. But he shows a pattern of lying, being unfaithful and not caring about other person's feeling. Polygamy is all about openess and honesty. Eric has NONE of it!!! Also please stop saying that cheating is fine... and then saying that cheating is somehow related to the queer community. It is not any more related to the queer community, than it is to the straight people

@@khailils446 English is not my first language. Country of origins ? Where his family comes from. My point stands. He even says it himself : « take me to me my people »

Agreed!

Like every other character in the show too. You get it, why don’t these writers get it

Hopes introduction was a whole red flag xD I cant believe the students fell for the "cool teacher"-behaiviour

My thoughts exactly.

Yes, exactly, repeated bad behaviours made sense to me because they're teenagers.

Amok amok amok! But yes, I agree

Yes, all this discourse is so reductive. People complain all the time, they want real three-dimensional characters, but the second a storyline is not perfectly done with all characters good and moral, then it's actually bad tv. And they stay there, condemning a 16y/o for cheating, like that's not actual real life. Instead of noticing the messages, the themes, the development of the characters for "good and evil" (can a teenager really be evil tho?) I know Aimee going to therapy and understanding her trauma is not as clickbaity as "this is the true villain of sex education" but this type of bad-faith review on something for being different is what keeps uninspired tv on the air. (btw this is not about this video in particular, more like all the main critics of the show go in the same direction. For example, people barely talk about Hope more than to say she's horrible, when clearly she's the nuanced comentary on the education system that Groff couldn't be)

Yes ive been telling people this!! Not only with Otis but also with Eric.

I just finished today too aha

Lmao me and my wife literally just finished and this pops up….my phone was definitely listening

Perhaps because the season aired recently? And Amanda is always making videos abnout recent stuff?

@@caros.6072 it’s just weird when literally right after watching the show i picked up my phone to see this lol….Damn maybe she is a Jedi

I am definitely someone who doesn’t care if there’s a lot going on if it’s done well. It felt like this season was more like giving an episode for all the side characters instead of having them all center around a main plot. Perfect for folks like me who care more about character than plot

The writers forgot Ruby existed after the breakup. Also Otis sucks.

Although I feel like they could have grown a lot together, it makes total sense that Ruby would break up with Otisat that point, because she was still developing emotionally, and still learning how real relashionships work. Otis being honest about not loving her back was the mature thing to do, but she is just not emotionally experienced enough when it comes to relashionships to understand that yet

I know ! I was so exited because I thought I was going to see a show with a romantic plotline that grew in a natural way and DIDNT just regress to the “will they won’t they” completely undermining most of the character development. Maeve and Otis making up as friends, and Otis and ruby being together would have felt like such a natural conclusion to the show and it just felt kinda ruined.

Otis with Ruby, and Maeve with Isaac. There, everyone is happy.

@@WolfQueenLydia tbh I think the writers were definitely setting that up as a possibility, because I honestly don’t think it’s completely insane to say that Maeve was in love with Isaac. The main example where I think this can be seen is when she has to choose between Otis or Isaac after the kiss in France. In the scene before they kiss Otis discovers Isaac deleted the voicemail and Maeve asks Otis what it said. Now at this stage Isaac had already admitted deleting it and told her a fake version of what it said, so the fact that Maeve asked Otis at all shows she already suspected Isaac had lied about what it actually said, if she loved Otis at all why would she choose to not only forgive, but also start a relationship with the guy she believed had lied to her twice about Otis’ feelings for her? When Otis told her what it really said she must have realised then that her suspicions were right and Isaac had lied to her twice about the same thing. She kisses Otis and you think ok so if she kissed Otis and knows Isaac is a lying prick who can’t even tell the truth without telling another lie in the process that should mean she’s going to break up with Isaac right? No. When Otis gives Maeve a lift to Anna’s house in the next episode Isaac is acting all defensive and basically telling Otis to fuck off, again, you would imagine that if Maeve loved him then at this point she would at least defend Otis, but she just lets Isaac verbally abuse him as if he hasn’t done anything wrong. Admittedly that scene kind of makes sense because she had just found out her sister was missing and wouldn’t really be prioritising her relationship but at the same time it would have taken like 5 seconds for her to go Isaac stfu nobody asked for your opinion. The only reason Maeve and Isaac aren’t still together is because Isaac chose to end things with her, I guarantee if he hadn’t done that she never would have left him for Otis and they would still be together now. She never loved Otis anywhere near as much as he loved her, that’s not to say she didn’t have feelings for him because she did, but she chose to be a dick rather than addressing those feelings. You even see when Isaac breaks up with her that she tries to stop him leaving, he even says “we don’t have to talk about this when you have other stuff to worry about” and she still tries to stop him leaving because she wants to talk to him and be able to get through the ‘rough patch’ (for lack of a better phrase) of her kissing Otis. And as for Otis and Ruby it was so obvious that Ruby still loved him even after the breakup, from a writing standpoint why would you spend so much of episode 5 proving that if you didn’t plan for it to carry over into season 4, and tbh I think Otis did love Ruby but couldn’t see it because he was blinded by his love for Maeve. Notice how he keeps telling Maeve about Ruby when she didn’t even ask “Ruby picked this out for me” “oh and me and Ruby aren’t casual anymore, we’re official” exactly the same way Ruby’s dad said she talked about Otis “always going on about you, Otis this and Otis that”.

he's inlike the last 15 mins of the season wydm???

Ditto, and Isaac also has the NERVE to think solely about him and Maeve's relationship when her little sister goes missing. The dude NEEDS to think more about his priorities!

@@trinaq That actually pissed me off so much too, it was horrendous! Maeve should have never spoken to him OR Otis ever again tbh

So true and also in the past season he already knew that Maeve had feelings for Otis and he still was trying to do anything to be with her, he even deleted the voice message. And in this season when he finds out about Otis and Maeve he says that he deserves more than that etc. I mean, I’m not saying that he was wrong but I don’t understand in what moment he stopped being obsessed with her. I feel like this season was kinda weird because they were trying to make a lot of things and that resulted in the actions of some characters not feeling natural. Still, it’s far from being bad

Isaac is very selfish and i don't understand why Maeve wants to still be friends with him, and even apologizes to him in the last ep as if she's somehow in the wrong? Someone needs to tell Maeve she deserves better, because she clearly doesn't realize it.

I agree, I’m so tired of shows and movies where we wait for the main couple or ship or whatever to get together and then the second they do, the movie ends and we don’t get to see them actually together

There's plenty of drama to be had with people in a relationship, especially in a fucking high school. Like, Brooklyn 99 had Peraltiago hook up at the end of season 2 and the show went on for another 6 years.

The fact you didn't make a pun about goat being the GOAT...

I don't think most people are being critical of Otis for not saying "I love you" to Ruby. More so the fact that he was the one who expressed he wanted a deeper relationship with Ruby knowing full well he loves Maeve.

@@orangesky8864 YES! You said it so well.

I honestly don't think he is mature at all, he just pretend to be mature but childish in heart, when he is with his mom he can be awfully childish at time

@@orangesky8864 Well, he knew he loved Maeve when he left her the voicemail, but she never answered, thus giving Otis the impression she didn't reciprocate his feelings. I think Otis was actively trying to get over Maeve and while he did want a real (non-secret) relationship with Ruby, he didn't quite expect for things to move as fast for her as they did. Her confession took him off-guard. Maeve was not really a big factor in their relationship until right after, when they had the conversation at the gas station in France.

@@user-mm3dy6sj6w i mean he's 17, "pretending to be mature while being childish" is the very definition of a teenager.

no hes shown dealing with pressure in all aspects of her life. From the school board to her attempts at pregnancy.

I think being shitty to your mom is part of being a teenager sometimes, he clearly does care for her and he is a good son when it matters Not proud to say it, but I've snapped at my mom growing up sometimes in ways she did not deserve It just makes the character more realistic, he isn't perfect, he's a teenager

Also, Ruby friends were comically annoying, but not in the fact that they were funny, but the fact that it was almost unreal how annoying they were. Like, I understand sticking up for your friend, but they are such cunts.

I mean everyone has done that in real life sometimes we can't control our anger but than we say sorry so he did the same 😂 🤷

racially motivated

I agree with you that Otis wasn't the villain but I don't think Eric was either. I think we have to remember these characters are teenagers and yes, they do a lot of stupid things. We don't have to demonize them for making mistakes, that's why this show it's so much better that literally every other teen show out there, they're real, bad and all. Otherwise Adam would still be a one note bully, Meave a one note bad girl, Ruby a one note mean princess and so on right?

same!!!

when she said it it totally clicked haha

Yes, seven years later, and we're STILL mega salty about the lacklustre conclusion!

So salty!

Barney and Robin were perfect

They built up the mother to such high standards, surprisingly managed to actually meet them with the short time we spent with her character and then threw that all away to shoe horn in a 10 year old plot plan that didn't fit anymore. The thing is I feel like it actually could've been a really great and poignant ending if it had been well done/they had managed to keep a thread of why Ted and Robin *could* still work over the years but the fact that it was all so rushed (especially the Robin and Barney break up) meant there wasn't time to establish a good reason for the audience to want them to be together again. Sorry for the rant, I guess I am also salty 😂

@Rita 25 y.o - check my vidéó This bugged me too, from the word go. I don't care how much he was "trying to change" he was still very abusive.

exactly, Ruby unapologetically and *soberly* bullies everyone everyday, yet no one ever bats an eye, Otis drunkenly made an asshole speech, has apologized profusely again and again now, and everyone still treats him like he's scum

@@williambuttlicker5654 Right! I know that Ruby was a bit more vulnerable this season which was nice to see, but it doesn't make her a good person suddenly. Otis isn't perfect but he has tried every season to make up for his mistakes and become better

So how would you propose hope was written to make her a better character? I really want to know what you think. Personally, i liked how they portrayed hope in the show. Everyone has their own "seemingly random" struggles that other people don't know about, and that's about the same as real life. Plus, she was also under a lot of pressure by the school board to salvage moordale's reputation, so i guess it explains why she made her choices, although it doesn't excuse them.

@@misssteak1290 I'll start by saying I'm in no way an author of fiction but I'll give it a shot. I think the issues with Hope stem from the overarching issue with the season, that being they are trying to do too much. Hope’s character arc is so rushed, and ham fisted that she is forced into actions that no one in her position would do. We learn that she is an amazing woman with previous achievements and a strong work ethic. She is many things but bad at her job is not one of them, at least, there is no reason she should be. She goes from a motivated authority figure to a weekly villain without us seeing any real justification for it. I know Maeve’s actor Emma Mackey once said she felt Miss Sands was Maeve’s Miss Honey, so I’ll steal her analogy and say they basically turn Hope into Miss Trunchbull. If they slow this decline down over the course of 2 seasons, showing how she feels she was losing grip, showed her own personal struggles then I might believe her being driven to some extremes, but public shaming is just ridiculous. They hint at such depth to Hope, the parallels she sees in Viv and then turn her into big brother over text. They hint that she has made personal sacrifices to achieve the career she has, but we never see her personal life beyond reading a newspaper. And for a show that does well at discussing reproduction, they make a complete hatchet job of female fertility. They open all these doors, and then nothing happens because they insist on having too many plot lines for 1 season.

@@Dustbinlid1 I agree with the majority of your points and I do think Hope feels kind of rushed - they probably should have given her arc a full 2 seasons, but I guess they wanted to set up the school closing for next season (and really, the most unrealistic part of this season was all the students actually thinking her dancing in ep 1 was cool lmao). That said, I honestly thought the way Hope's character talks about fertility tracks with the way she treats the trans/nonbinary students in a very TERF-y way. Ex. she claims to want to empower women and multiple times says stuff about being supportive of feminism etc, but then turns her feminism into a way to attack students like Cal who don't feel comfortable in uniforms and sex ed classes that are divided into two neat little 'boy' and 'girl' gender groups with no place for nonbinary people. During the finale, she tells Otis her body "isn't doing the one thing it's meant to do," which also tracks with the kind of gender essentialism popular in a lot of TERF circles where womanhood is (at least in part) defined by reproduction. The fact that she couldn't have a biological child was driving her frustration with what she perceives as a failure of her own womanhood, which I think contributed to a lot of other decisions she makes throughout the season. I guess this TERF angle might have felt a little more well-rounded if they'd had a line or two refuting this idea, but tbh maybe they just didn't think Otis should be the one saying it, or maybe they didn't have the time to fit it in this season given just how many other plotlines they were juggling.

@@Dustbinlid1 The "they crammed 2 seasons worth of content into one season" thing is probably the biggest downfall of this season. Why does it feel like some characters are pushed into the background? Because they have too little time to put in everything. Why do some plotlines feel rushed? Because they have too little time to put in everything. Why does some stuff feel tacked-on or an afterthought? Because they have too little time to put in everything and had to probably scrap stuff that had made it better implemented.

@@Flameclaw123 I actually got such TERF-y vibes from Hope from the start, and now that you mention it even the sex shaming (publicly in this case) can be a very radfem thing. I truly wish this got delved into more, because unless you're really searching for it these things do come across very random and extreme. For someone who is into data and TED talks etc abstinence only sex ed and public shaming are... an odd choice. Given more time there's definitely a way to do this more insidiously, like how she treats the girls when she calls them to her office. Personally as a woman around Hope's age I wasn't able to relate to her at all. I guess we can hope she'll do a Mr Groff next season and we'll get to really delve into her psyche?

I agree i agree I AGREE!! Im all for poly rep!!

That is definitely something they're missing on show. Maybe we'll get some polyamorous representation next season!

If they do that people will just complain that they are making out poly people to be cheaters

It would be amazing

@@whatcanidooo noo, that would give Eric character growth and tools to use comunication and consent to handle lust. It would be perfect for Eric!

Well, maybe in other show, I understand that a show that centers in sex, has to explore more dynamics around sex rather than focusing in the absence of sex (i would be interesting) . I would be interested in seeing a show that explore in ace characters, though, because it is a perspective that I don't fully understand.

We definitely need more ace representation :)! I'd also love to see some aromantic representation but I haven't seen any yet, sadly.

At first I was fine with the relationship but Adam ACTIVELY trying to be a better person but the fact that everyone thought that Adam would hurt Eric little did they know that it would be Eric that would hurt Adam.

I think the point is that people make mistakes, and these characters are written as flawed. Because people are flawed. And it is a trope because it happens in nature, thus it makes sense that Eric would get into this relationship. You are right that it wasn't going to last, but it is realistic. They also subverted it by making Eric the villain in the end. Which i hated for him but again-- they're flawed for a reason.

On the contrary I think Adam and Eric were handled pretty well post the first initial season. Adam did try incredibly hard to be better and Eric was a huge part of his growth and character arc as a whole. They were never going to last, but they were incredibly important to each other’s individual journeys. That’s why Adam thanks Eric in his poem, for showing him how to deal with his feelings in a rational way and giving him the chance to open up and explore his sexuality. Not everything has to boil down to a toxic trope. There are many terrible executions of the bully x bullied trope, I believe this isn’t one of them.

To me it pandered to the bully might like you trope. And growing up as gay I would hate for other gay kids growing up to fall for their bullies or thinking they could change them

Agreed, that's why i never shipped them and i am glad it ended. I kinda hope Adam will get with Rahim they seem like they would be the "we are different but our differences actually work together" kind of couple.

She didn't exactly know, she actually wanted to leave it as it was in season 1 and Amazon and BBC wanted more but she refused until she got an idea to continue and finish the story, that's why there's a three year gap between season 1 and 2. What creators and producers need is integrity, but I guess money beats that 😐

Disagree. It was important part of him exploring his culture and a perspective Adam just can’t be part of.

@@barboralitvanova5111 he didn’t have to cheat on Adam tho. There’s ZERO excuses for cheating.

@@GabrielisSus he’s 17, he wasn’t happy in the relationship and was discovering a new part of himself. Also if you are planning on breaking up with someone and there is no lying and sneaking around then I’m sorry but I think majority of people wouldn’t even consider it as cheating.

@@barboralitvanova5111 wdym??? He kissed another guy while in a relationship with Adam, that’s cheating even if he was going to break up with the Adam afterwards. He can still discover himself without being unfaithful, if he was unhappy in the relationship he should’ve communicated it or just broken up with Adam instead of cheating. He has cheated on BOTH of his bfs now with zero remorse for it (well he did feel a BIT bad but that’s legit all) They literally ruined his character for me with this season. The fact that you are excusing cheating is v concerning.

@@GabrielisSus no offence, but I think you will change your outlook with age.

Did they miss the over the top bullshit with the new head teacher? What a truly awful person/character.

And?

Otis in season 1 was not good either tho imo

@@MariaFlores-ef1oz lol what else wrong he has done other than shouting on his mom ? 😂 People hate him for no reason common some teenagers do they are going to give you your perfect protagonist he also have some issues 🤷

@@JaySewani The way he’s treated the women in his lives is despicable.

@@desireeloveros1055 lol which women you are talking about? 😂

@@JaySewani Maeve, first and foremost, especially in season two. Let’s see he basically pimped her out to Jackson in season 1 but it was actually all a ploy to ruin their relationship. Mind you this is all without her knowledge. Season 2 ola and Maeve were basically pitted against each other (while unintentionally) by Otis causing both girls but mostly ola to become catty and jealous of each other’s presence In Otis’s life. The entire debacle ended in that disaster of a party where Otis was a complete asshole to both Maeve and Ola. But the entire dynamic with Isaac Season 3 he completely ignored Maeve literal months. He’s entirely self absorbed. He has ZERO understanding of her life. Also the pissing contest with Isaac. They’re both pricks in each interaction. Ola, secondly, also in season 2. See Maeve. But also he just kept fucking up with her. He made her insecure in comparison to Maeve. He was really bad at fingering. Till finally she’s like "fuck you I’m done" Ruby, she didn’t need to hear “I love you” but a conversation was well deserved. She turned from this bitchy mean girl to a more nuanced character and let’s face it Ruby and Otis brought out the best in each other. And yeah his mom deserved more respect from him. He deserves to be single and needs to do some soul searching before he can become a part of a relationship.

Same

You should absolutely watch it before finishing this video because you might be looossstttt

Just letting this play without audio and will come back once I finish the season haha

@@AmandaTheJedi will do!

@@OneTopic hi one topic!

tl;dr, the microwave was the real villain of this season. There. I said it. Come at me, microwave fans.

dude i seriously want trigger warnings for cat deaths, i was literally so shocked i had to stop for a minute

The one thing that pissed me off about Jonathan was that it made an so much effort to humanize me, and somehow rekindling that relationship with his wife, even though I don't want them to be together 'cause it just degrades the character arc of the last season.

NO FORREAL THOUGH I was so scared that he was going to get beat up again??? Teenagers really have no self preservation instincts 😭🖐🏽

He literally told her he likes her not love her but in time he was sure he would that's how relationships work u don't instantly love someone it takes time

You Ruby fans are too much now There was no deep connection between Otis and Ruby yet 🤷

@@DevinSpeaks Yeah but he should have worded it better, maybe an "I'm not ready yet" would have suffice, idk if Ruby could be mature enough to handle it

@@JaySewani Maybe not for Otis, but Ruby trusted Otis more than her literal friends She opened up to him like she never did with anyone, she said she's never invited anyone else to her house or introduced them to her dad (later in the episode she finally invites her friends over) Otis pushed her to do that, unknowingly he asked her to reveal her biggest secret, she did, and he didn't understand how much that meant

@@Sabrina-sc1db sorry but I really don't care for Ruby's character

Yep

Agreed. I think that was the very thing that caused her to break up with him, not necessarily the fact that he wasn't in love with her yet

Likewise, I don't know why the writers had Eric act so out of character, and not care about cheating on Adam.

@@trinaq he was absolutely not out of character

@@astrident8055 the forcing his boyfriend to be ready to have s3x was not in character for someone who is best friends with a "sex therapist"

Trina Q not super out of character seeing as how he got w adam by cheating on rahim

@@trinaq Being gay, selfish, extra and a cheater is exactly his character. It's terrible how negatively stereotypical Eric is written imo, like to a concerning degree, and he's easily one of the, if not my least favourite character of the show aside from characters meant to be piece of shit villains like Groff's brother, Hope or Groff. Heck, after having explored Groff's trauma, his own psychological issues, him slowly finding his will to live again, i probably am rooting for fucking *Groff* more than Eric atm.

lol Otis deserves Eric

But the ralatioship with Rahim had this weird doomed aura because Eric's family didn't like him and made such a big show of telling him Adam is better for him, so either Rahim and Eric would not have lasted as well, or Eric's family kind of pressured him to break up with Rahim

Eric is likely poly and discovering that. Adam bullied him so I don’t feel bad. Karma

@@witchplease9695 lol, I like you

@@elecrom_9757 Yeah, Rahim and Eric seemed a bit weird. Honestly, Rahim is a bit off. Interesting, we didnt get a little back story or home life to Rahim. He is just: Gay French boy who likes poemsand threw his shit out a bus.

True, I felt so bad for Jakob, the fact that he's been through so much regarding loss and betrayal and still trying to do his best only to be forced to raise a child with a woman who cheated on him is really painful

I see your point, however, I think that there is a difference between trying to get or know someone better to build your relationship them, and saying 'I love you'. In general, I think it's fair that Otis wanted to form a more meaningful relationship with Ruby, instead of getting treated like literal dirt in public. But I also get why Ruby acted the way she did. They just weren't meant for each other, in my opinion.

@@juliasyk3121 see I disagree. What he doing wasnt just getting to know her, he wanted to break her walls down and wasn’t ready to accept the consequences of those actions. Again, for someone like ruby who keeps things under tight wraps to just let Otis see behind that mask was him building more than just a connection and he should’ve understood his place and either leave the sneaky link alone or just respect her emotional boundaries cause he obviously wasn’t ready to handle her full emotions. Also, he could’ve asked to not be treated like trash, totally acceptable. But he totally crossed the line of their arrangement but wanting a connection, that’s not how sneaky links work ( and he knows this and should’ve ended it ) it’s like he wanted his cake and ate it too ( kinda selfish) again considering what yee of character ruby was. I think if he were over Maeve they could’ve been good because you can’t deny she had positive change with him and they were genuinely building a connection. I personally feel like Otis needs to not be in a relationship till he can figure what he wants before he hurts people

@Jane 24 y.o - check my vidéó and u really didn’t read the whole comment. I explicitly stated the I love you part was like the only thing he did right in that situation. I’m talking about him breaking her walls down to satisfy his own needs for emotional intimacy which ended up being toxic for ruby. He crossed lines that he shouldn’t have

Likewise. Much like Ross and Rachel, they were cute at first, but now their "Will They/Won't They" arc is more annoying than charming now.

I generally don't ship Hetero pairings, but I'm miraculously not at that point yet there the will-they-won't-they makes me hate the characters involved.

Same! But besides that, why don't they just put them together ( if that's the plan all along ) and spend all the will-they-won't-they-time with actually writing them in a relationship? I always think it's sad when a show puts so much time into "teasing" a relationship but ending it with a big kiss and never actually writing the damn thing :'D

I love them you guys clearly never shipped slow burn ships before

Their relationship feels forced at this point. I think Otis x Ruby were great, and that Maeve needs to be independent for awhile

or the other way around only loving an actor and treating them for the character they play like what happened with emma and mimi