It’s no that sniping is too overpowered. It’s the fact that kar98k is pretty good. If I see a good sniper with the M1903 or the Lee Enfield I have mad respect for them.
The real issue may be skill based matchmaking, I know quickscoping was very strong in bo2, but most of the quickscopers I went against were pretty bad and were essentially free kills. There's also the fact that quickscopers rush, which is better to play against then some people who are camping with the overpowered guns in the game.
chrisOncrak I definitely get more kill rushing or camping with my Garand than I do the kar. My kill chain is higher and I can react and engage at basically any distance
This vid was PERFECT! It's not that quickscoping doesn't take skill, it's not that snipers are the best path to good kd or score, it's the fact that my input in the gunfight doesn't matter at all. He either misses or he doesn't. That's it. Thanks Ace for being absolutely spot on once again!
Well let's be honest if you were a pro sniper during the advance movement system that had little aim assist escpcially bo3 no aim assist, then u will dominate people that are running and not boost jumping. Yea slow down the ads on snipers because it's a long range weapon. Besides why would u bring a sniper into a really really cramped area and be able to kill 2 guys. Yea slow that crap down
Wes Hale another thing to consider is the fact that a good amount of people left after the advance movement started, so that could mean that the people who left from the jetpacks are now back and ready to kill after playing boots on the ground for like 3-ish years
The issue with snipers is mobility. They shouldn't have the mobility of a SMG. If you're up close, a SMG should win unless you're just terrible and not hitting your shots. A sniper shouldn't be able to quickscope you up close while getting hit in the face with bullets. COD has always been ass backwards though.
Marco Szopieray not gonna lie at first I felt like shotguns were so good just bc I always got killed by it no matter what, but then I tried using it myself for a contract and it was so ass
Shotguns are fun to use sometimes but insanely annoying when shotties are powerful and you die nonstop by someone using one. I'd be ok if they removed shotguns completely
Definitely agree. They need to be 1-shot kills from within 5 feet. I've won so many gunfights in this game against a shotgun player because he got a hit-marker on me at point blank range, and it's complete BS, IMO. He should've killed me.
Quickscoping shouldn't even be a thing. It's completely unrealistic. In ww2 you don't have to wait until you've zoomed all the way in. Snipers are supposed to be in the back of the map taking long shots and not able to rush in and clear rooms.
major masingil first off lets address the realism argument, and by address it I mean throw it out the fucking window. Cod is so unrealistic in almost every aspect its like they are trying to do so. And second of all I assume you're one of the players who have never sniped and base their entire argument off killcams which are innaccurate, check out 9lives he has multiple videos on the matter.
william.gets.bwuckets First off...Whatever man. It takes about an hour to learn to be a decent quickscoper on this version of the game. It's broken. I know how kill cams work. Go bully some kid who gives a faq about what you say.
william.gets.bwuckets well it’s true, other guns are used like they are in real life right? Why not snipers? There’s a reason why snipers in real life don’t run on the front lines. One of the reasons being weapon weight
I honestly think QS in this game is the same as MW1, MW2, and BO2. People who started playing COD in AW, BO3, and IW, are just having trouble adapting to a boots on ground type COD. Snipers were apparently better than because they were more avoidable with double jump and running off walls. Advance movement made it faster for players to avoid getting away from snipers. Mind you that the maps in WWII are small are mostly linear with lots of lines of sights. The last think you want to do is run straight at a sniper and with maps being rather straight foward than complex design, it makes it easier to Snipe. Almost every map has a center line, right line or left line to reach the other end of the map. Sniping seems fine to be, players just need to learn how to flank, jump shot, drop shot or use tactical equipment, hell even head glitching.
UyemaHD yes but the problem is that if u are an average player u don't so snipers destroy u also why do u have to do all this when the gun you have should be better at those ranges
Sniping is quite hard and that’s why I didn’t snipe much in the jet packing games (except AW) but I started on bo1 and kept playing boots on the ground and I was destroying at the start of ww2. It’s a skill thing on both the Sniper and the rifle player. I loose a lot of gunfights to rifles due to pre fire and it’s just as annoying as getting quickscoped I think people just want something to complain about
Odd question: Did the cod community complain and moan so much about shotguns? Because it would explain why quickscoping at close range would be, at times, easier than getting a kill at close range with a shotgun. Edit: What I'm trying to say is that shotguns are weak in the game right now, and that snipers could win more often than shotguns at close range.
In general, no. I think that you notice being killed by quickscopers because for the last 4 years the sniping community didn't have a solid game that most of the community likes. Now that we have WW2 and most of the snipers like that game more of them are playing so you notice being killed by them more often. Also getting your centering on really isn't that easy.
Fa Mulan if you are hardscoping and camping yes, I understand why you are emptying lobbies but if you are specificly quickscoping, what this video is about, then I have a hard time believing you
+Sean Sharif Whenever I view the kill cam, either they kill me by hip firing the sniper or they will quickscope at close range. When they quickscope the cross hairs aren't even pointed at me but they still get the kill.
The reason why it's annoying is because stopping power and juggernaut aren't in the game anymore. You wanna counter a sniper throw on juggs and your problems are gone. Would like to see the ADS to go up or at least give snipers more flinch when getting hit
Did Juggernaut take 2 sniper shots in COD 4 MW? i don't remember, here is how it works now, if you're too close, you get no scoped, you are at close range? you get quickscoped, you are far away? you still get sniped, a sniper rifle is clearly dominant at any range no matter what
You might need to go back and check because that it entierly untrue. MW2 had barely any flinch, especially compared to this game and the sway is just about the same. (the Springfeild has way more) The KAR scopes in way too fast, thats the only problem with sniping in this game.
While I think it takes a decent amount of skill to quickscope well and consistently, I still think it gives them too much of an advantage. It eliminates the role of shotguns; why use a weapon class that requires you to get up close and 3/4 of them still can't even OHK consistently when there's an option that is usable at every range?
i'm a traditional hardscoper and i suck at quickscoping. with that being said, i have quickscoped a lot in this game. it's definitely too easy and very OP
He said "i have quickscoped a lot in this game". Yeah he said he sucks at quickscoping, but if he's doing it "a lot in this game", that would mean that it doesn't necessarily take a lot of skill to do it (no offense to Jason). So if it's that easy to kill someone with a powerful weapon such as a sniper rifle, from ANY range, it should be nerfed. tl;dr snipers are OP, especially at close range.
a rifle is 3-5 shot at medium to long range. it can excel but it's not a one shot like a sniper. a sniper can be used at all ranges effectively. yeah, it might not be ideal at very close range, but you can get off one shot and then switch to a secondary if it doesnt connect.
CoCoPuffsOnDeck Yeah it's annoying i almost broke my controller today i was 1 off my paratroopers and got quick scoped after shooting a dude 4 times with the ppsh again. I just hope the kar98 and m1903 get nerfed. If not well i guess we can hope black ops 4 will be better.
They won't nerf it to any significance that makes quickscoping difficult. Quickscopers are a minority, but a VERY vocal one and VERY immature. Every time a dev tries to nerf quickscoping a legion of 12 year olds start throwing temper tantrums and sending them death threats and shit. So they just let the dumb kiddies have their fun so they don't have to deal with it.
I feel like an interesting nerf would be to have the sniper rifles have more flinch, atleast at close range. Since rifles and smg's have faster ADS the player would be able to throw the sniper off his shot easier aslong as they get the first shot on the sniper. This would give the upperhand to the smg/riffle users at those close range. However, it would not make quickscoping useless.
At least u have to hit two different buttons for snipers shotguns u just shoot so the comparison doesn't work shotguns in there 1 hit kill range would win up close
I find quick scoping to be exceptionally easy in WW2. And I don’t even like doing it. It is pretty normal to see about 50% of the players in a match to be quick scoping. And at least to me, that is a sign that it is too easy.
EJL not here! I am bad at it. Yet I find it to be very easy to do in ww2. As I said in my post. When around 50% or more of the people in a match are doing it, it is too easy.
IMO quick-scoping is completely ridiculous. It's beyond unrealistic. When I run around a corner and come face to face with an enemy that can raise a big ol sniper gun and get a shot off before I can hip spray with an SMG there is something wrong.
when your assaulting an objective, such as domination, with a sniper rifle, something is wrong. One shot kill that you can quick scope from 2 meters to 200 meters, something is wrong.
Holy crap, being civil went right out the window on this one, Ace. Good vid bro. Nice to see that someone isn't missing this point. You proved it in the vid and some are just too blind to see it. Keep it up, good job.
Scotty G when i was getting gold i happened to get on a 23 killstreak in war just hardscoping (like a real sniper) and im not even the great with a sniper i agree that sniping feels easier in this game
cant believe in 2017 people still complain about quickscoping...maybe in 2009 you had a valid point, but this is such a dead issue...they should focus on fixing important shit like flinch and server issues and not Quickscoping lmao
JustAcidThings i dont mess with any other modes besides War and Hardcore TDM...in hardcore you dont even have time to flinch so i haven't really noticed it, and in war i only use weapons that arent good in hardcore like snipers and the shovel...i think this game is still on its way to being fixed but im still having fun playing it
I dont think quickscoping should be that good.....sniper rifles should be used on longer ranges, you shouldn't beat shotgun or smg in CQB...that is just wrong
Snipers shouldn't outgun anything at close range. Snipers shouldn't be useless but they shouldn't be better than ARs and SMGs at close range. If a sniper gets in a close range situation they have a pistol or take the death. It's their fault for being at close range against an SMG.
People think quickscoping is OP because of the one shot kill potential of the sniper. But if the sniper misses the first shot, the other player will easily be able to beat him. The only reason people are doing better in this game than in other cods is because there is no vertical movement to worry about. Sledgehammer can't do anything about this because if they nerf sniper rifles, they will become useless. People are just getting good at a skill that can give them an advantage if they are good enough
Volar_Tree they need waaayyyyy more flinch, when they are hard scoping and you start shooting them first and they still manage to aim at you accurately and get the kill.. gets me mad.
adding alot more flinch would probably completely fix this problem. If you are shooting at them with a smg or rifle at the weapons OPTIMAL RANGE AND start firing first..it should be near impossible for them to kill you. Its not the "quick" scoping thats the issue here..its the NON EXISTENT FLINCH!!
Quickscoping is already hard enough. If you’ve ever tried to QS and you run up on a guy with a machine gun you’d realize it’s already hard enough. The flinch already makes in ridiculous to hit shots.
I agree but personally I would like to see quickscoping entirely removed. That bullshit has no place in any game. Make it like BO1. They had it mostly right.
Yo what's up ace, been here since ghosts when you had 15k subs. Love to have seen your channel grow. I remember 3 years ago when you used to have terrible internet but still crush the lobby
The only good thing about snipers is being able to control the gunfight, it is high risk-high reward and since their is no aim-assist it is fairly balanced. People are completely bias to this. They might kill a sniper five times and then get quickscoped twice, thinking that it is OP. People need to stop complaining about snipers and start complaining about other things like the bar, which has hardly been nerfed IMO. Plus then flinch is quite large which makes it hard to hit a medium range shot with a sniper
Patrick Daly the bar needs to have slower ads time and 3shot range reduction.But the snipers are way to op.I don't know if you are one BUT every single sniper protects the snipers that they aren't op etc.Imo they are too good , when I started to get gold for the snipers I needed like 2 hours of getting used to it then I completely destroyed everyone , I got quad feeds , multi kills etc.Snipers need to have slower ads time , bigger idle sway immediatly after scoping in and they should only be able to hold their breath two seconds after ads
therealslimgamey1 the kar and Springfield have no aim assist unless you use sharpshooter. That’s means you’re not quickscoping as you have to hardscope, hence my point.
Part of the reason quickscoping feels so powerful is due to many factors: Sprintout times are fucked up, weapon balance is terrible with many weapons being non-competitive like shotguns, the division system gives you less options overall and really shitty map design that benefits playing a sniper. (ie. Cannon, USS Texas.) SMGs and Shotguns should be the counters to snipers but neither can compete currently. BO2 snipers were way more stronger than WW2's snipers are but overall weapon balance was VASTLY superior in that game and the pick 10 system trumps the shitty division system.
Here's my issue with quickscoping... yes, I acknowledge that it takes skill via a lot of practice and play. The problem is, when players get good at it, they dominate matches because it's a one shot kill. COD goes through multiple weapon balancing patches to level the playing the field. And skill also comes into play here. Let's say there's a one shot rifle. The player with more skill will prevail against the lesser skilled player with that same weapon. So if COD goes through all this trouble to balance weapons, why do they continue to leave quick scoping alone? I think quick scoping with potential one shot snipers should be outright removed. Snipers like the Karabin should be left alone so you can quickscope the first shot and follow up immediately with a second like with any other gun in the game. With that said, I'm starting to become competent with quickscoping. In my PC days, I was really good at quickscoping in CS. So I'm not saying this just from pure hate. It's there, so I'm learning it. But I'd rather have it not be a thing.
Megaton Aaron that’s a lot of salt not saying it to be a dick but that right there is like years of pent up frustration on this subject lol and part of me feels the pain but it’s not for those reasons they leave it in the game it’s because in games that do it right (which takes time of adjusting) it’s really well balanced like if you get quickscoped in BO3 chances are that player was better than you anyway and this goes for everyone it takes a lot of skill to do it in BO3 especially with the vertical movement that makes it even harder it doesn’t take no skill or whatever chances are they are either an all round better player than you or you were off your game and in WW2 it’s getting to the point with the balance that it’s going to be back to that skill level hopefully
iz2sicc but with the skill it takes it balances it out and if there were no oneshot kill snipers what would be the point of them being in the game and also by that logic does the Barret 50 need taken out of any future games because it can oneshot with it and make the spam follow up shots and also like in my other comment here chances are they are better than you or you weren’t playing as well as you thought like if I’m one off a V2 and I get quickscoped and there is no difference in my playing versus him or anyone else on his team then chances are I was smacking people around that I was better than and he would have played a better game the only game in the CoD series that had OP snipers was BO2 and after that game quickscoping became really big and very hated
Jared the All Out Gamer I never said snipers shouldn't be one shot. I said they shouldn't allow quick scoping with them. And I already acknowledged that it takes skill. But that's no different from any other gun. Look at the pros wanting guns nerfed for being OP and getting their wishes. They are the 1%. They are currently calling for an M1 Garand nerf. That gun also takes skill to use. In the hands of a skilled player, it's real deadly. Just like quickscoping.
That’s really not fair because as of now it’s not super easy to quickscope it’s definitely balanced you must not know how easy it is to run around with a bar or any other gun in this game. I have no choice but to make sure I hit you with that once shot I get because if I miss you’re spraying he whole map up with that fucking bar and that’s balanced we need to be compensated for even being able to hit a guy using a regular gun and that compensation is the kill
That is the most spot on assessment of quickscoping I’ve heard yet, great video. You are absolutely correct when you say that the up close gunfight is in the hands of sniper even when going up against SMG players. @TheXclusiveAce Recently discovered your channel after COD WW2 released, really enjoying the videos, keep it up sir. Subbed.
TheXclusiveAce I understand the argument that you are trying to state but a lot of it is based off of your own personal experience. The first point you bring up is that anyone that takes a little bit of practice can get a hold of quickscoping, this is 100% true but that is only due to the fact that quickscoping isn't new to a large amount of players the people that can pick up a sniper and dominate have had past experience sniping in games probably such as bo2. The second thing you say is that the snipers are too accurate and go back to the way they were in bo1. This is a controversial topic because the bo1 sniping mechanics made snipers useful and it was fustrating when you could ADS and adjust your shot perfectly but you wouldn't get the kill because of the mechanincs for sniping so that would be unfair to change them in ww2. Another thing u claim is that they are overpowered in CQB and have an edge over other players. This is only true if the other player stands still. what really happens in this situation is that most players will drop/jump shot throwing off your aim (not to mention that the flinch already does that) and at least 6 or 7 out of 10 times the smg/rifle user will get the kill. I believe sniping is perfect in this game because it is satisfying for the sniping comunity but requires skill and practice to even get the hang of. If you compare a player who has 10 hours of sniping to a smg or rifle player that has the same amount, the machine gun user has the upper hand. like if u agree and also because I lowkey just typed an essay lol
Nah man, I have a high kd and from skill based matchmaking when I run into quickscopers...EVEN WITH FIRST SECOND OR EVEN 3RD SHOT they still kill me even if I ADS before them its FUCKING BULLSHIT
Finally someone who actually gets it and can verbalize it, IMO most of the mechanics need a rework. Snipers close range should have alot larger miss potential, same goes for medium range. They already rule the long range.
Pretty much agree with you on all points. My number one issue with QS'ing in WW2 (and pretty much all COD's) is that snipers essentially get no flinch. If I am shooting you first your scope should in no way go exactly to center. It should have the same flinch mechanic and be off center same as everybody else. However the game mechanic only says flinch is a thing once you are aiming. Sure if you are hard scoping you will have flinch, same as everybody else, but that doesn't apply to the QS. Fix that and implement a similar "randomness" to the ADS spot like BO1 had and QS'ing would go back to something that takes a high level of skill where the shooter actually has to potentially adjust there aim within the first couple of frames.
But you guys can spray a thousand bullets with a machine gun, which by the way takes no skill lol I quickscope and whenever I use machine guns I own the lobbies lol
Usually agree with Ace but I have to disagree here. I'd like to point out that he chose the highest ttk assault rifle for the test, and also didn't include sprintout times which is a very common factor. The black ops 1 adjustment doesn't make sense because there is no AA for snipers in this game, so they would be even worse than blops 1 which was the worst sniping game in cod. That doesn't raise the skill floor for quickscoping it only makes it more random.The ads change is more reasonable and would work if sniping is an issue but I really don't run into too many quickscopers and haven't seen a lot of complaining.
My biggest issue is that it went from being a talent to being something anyone can do. Not everyone could stop lobbies with an Intervention in MW2, or the M40 in CoD4, but after a few games with the K98, anyone can hit fairly easy feeds.
Snipers are broke as shit. Already got a V2 rocket with it. KAR and Springfield are pretty 1 shots at almost any part of the body. I should not be able to get a nuke and get diamond on snipers in just 1 day of playing. BO3 was a bit harder but still pretty easy. If you know how to center shots, then congrats you’re pamaj. Shit is broke. Lemme see these new gens try this sniping play style in Battlefield, then we’ll see how good they are. 👍🏾
Mat Cherrie aim assist doesnt really matter at close ranges At least to me Ive had it turned off and i must say only at long distances does it cause me an issue
Mat Cherrie That's great and all, except they do. The Karabin and Lee Enfield do when ADS. Worse still, if running the Mountain perk, then ALL sniper rifles gain aim assist whilst holding breath. Factor in modded pads that will scope, hold breath, and fire with just by pressing a single trigger, and you basically have an aimbot.
The one thing about sniping is that if you plan on running around while sniping, you’re screwed. But when you have a rifle or an smg, you can run around all you want
I completely agree, Ace. I'm usually a terrible sniper and I've found it so easy to consistently hit my quick scopes in this game. My snipers were the first thing I got diamond this time around and that never happens.
Another option, is having the damage ramp up over range. For example, at 0-15 feet have it do 50% or 60% of nominal damage output. Then have the damage ramp up to 100% at the ranges intended for the weapon class.
Very good points made. I have always used a rushing play style in Cod, favoring a shotgun or smg, With COD WW2 I am now using rifles and Lmgs and in the last few weeks using the Kar and actually sniping. As someone who in 20 years of playing FPS's has actively avoided using snipers, this game makes it far to easy to pick one up and be proficient.On the other hand it is the first COD I have played where I am sniping and enjoying it.
When I first got the game I found sniping so difficult I assumed they were going to buff them 😂, I say leave them alone, if someone can quick scope me, good on them, they deserve the kill
No... That's not how balance works. Taking skill to use doesn't mean jack shit if they're completely unbalanced! If you can counter them without using a sniper yourself then sure, they're balanced. And just because YOU can't get the hang of it doesn't mean it's all that difficult either. I am constantly in groups with people who quickscope like a pro. Almost as if... in this iteration of COD it's not that difficult to quickscope.
It actually does take skill to quickscope in this game since there's a huge majority of people that don't know how to quickscope and if its soooo unbalanced why doesn't everyone run around with a sniper instead of the bar. Exactly cuz its easier to just spray around a corner with a ray gun instead of having only one shot to kill a guy and if they miss they die most of the time if not then its on that trash player that couldnt simply just spray bullets in him and get this WHILE MOVING(basics that every lame ray gunner forgets when facing a sniper). Ur friends that "snipe like a pro" guess what they have a party together that makes it easier to communicate, grab players that they actully know can carry themself and im sure they played previous cods while sniping if not then guess what its "easier" in this game to quickscope cuz no one can just fly/dodge in mid air so just get over it and adapt to killing snipers(meaning go to back tocombat training).
I LIKE Butts maybe if we played a game more realistic but guess what we don't so u know get good or get over it all u ray gunners just complain instead of reflected how u lost like sore losers
They took aim assist off of the last two snipers because people were complaining about quickscoping, But there is no aim assist involved in quickscoping with those two now and people still complain. For what? You didn’t even know what you were complaining about at first. And now they nerfed something they did not have to. Face it. You just don’t like getting quickscoped. And there’s nothing you can do about it.
A lot of people are saying make it aim slower but what about increasing the sprint out time instead. If they run around a lot they need to break out of sprint by aiming to quick scope so that sprint out time could be made longer. It won't effect the ttk of the sniper but it will change the practical ttk.
They need to nerf the ads time it is to quick for the kar98k it could ads quicker than ar's and smg's and they need to add more flinch when your getting shot at when holding a sniper
Don't change the snipers at all. This is a game which is supposed to be enjoyed. I probably use Sniper rifles 30% of the time and most times I have an absolute blast. I watch all your vids and enjoy your content but on this point I think your wrong.
KY73 Longer time to ADS? It's not like a sniper rifle can hip fire like all the other weapons. Say you're going against a sniper. Strafe hip fire and bam done. This sniper rifle overpowered thing is just people being upset that they aren't that good.
GAMING_4 U when im putting bullets in to a sniper guy seconds before he even scopes in and then he quickly kills me is just bullshit sniping is to easy in this game simple as its not even all the sniper rifles its just the kar98k way to quick ads i dont know what game you are playing
Tbh, it depends on if you can hit a shot. If you consistently hit them, you got skill. Snipers aren't op, it just depends on the player and who he's against.
No, it depends on who the (fill in the blanks) are that can put a red dot in the center of their screen so they don't even have to guess because *the gun centers perfectly so there is no skill requirement besides having thumbs and an index finger*
What you might say might be true Ace, but you have to take into account just how fun it is quickscope in a boots on the ground game. And, nobody is stopping the whole CoD population from using the Kar98k.
BTW- I'm loving how Xclusive Ace includes video evidence supporting what he is saying, as opposed to just saying "it's unfair". The TTK clip in this video was a great example.
Well presented video ace. You've hit the nail on the head completely. It doesn't need to be removed from the game but a slight tweak to make it that little bit harder would be welcomed by most of the community.
I'm a SMG user on cod ww2. I'm also proficient with a sniper. And I do have to say that I happen to think that the trade offs are about equal. They took aim assist almost completely away from the Springfield and the kar98k so it does make quick scoping more of a skilled based play style. I do happen to think that some of the SMG recoil factors and kill ranges make their usefulness very limited. I tend to think that a gun that kicks up 6 feet off target shouldn't take 5 bullets to kill a man at 40 feet. You'd think with that type of recoil, that there would be more effective killing power behind that kick. All in all I happen to think that the playing field is roughly even, that is if you tend to consider that any gun in the hands of a strategic and skilled player can be devastating. Head glitching, dolphin diving, corner peeking, drop shotting, hip firing, are all necessary skills to make the game in your favor among others like spawn knowledge and lines of sight. Play hard and push strategically if you are an SMG player. Sprint out even with quick draw is a joke, so run to a spot and walk from there. This is nothing like black ops 2.
I think it’s balanced this year Like a lot of people have said the vertical movement is nonexistent in this one so it makes it easier to hit your shots without anyone jump in 10 feet in the air or 10 feet laterally
In battlefield there's no such thing as quick-scoping, in Halo people snap shot or no scope, COD is in the middle so choose your game and stop complaining =l
Idk what your on battlefield one is all quick scoping I did it with ease and I don’t think I was top 500 and my friend for months after launch was in the top 5 best snipers in the world on Xbox and I believe PC (because he played PC as well) his gamer tag was something along the lines of XtimesxDicemanX or something like that also BF4 it’s super easy to quick scope if you take time to learn and the snipers feel amazing while doing it I did it and again my friend did you just had a large learning curve for it and I would do it within the capture zone of a conquest flag
I would really like to see them fix the sprint out speeds before they make any other changes. Just having the ability to run and not lose every firefight would be a huge help. The reason snipers seem so op is the targets are simply moving slower due to such bad sprint out time.
There is an attachment that pretty much makes a sniper rifle "quickscope" compatible: the ironsights, and I have yet to find somebody play them. So if someone really wants to have that one shot kill over all ranges, go for ironsights. Then the traditional snipers could be limited to the more traditional sniper role (.5s ADS time seems reasonable to me). On the other hand, a Kar98 with an Ironsight is not really a sniper rifle anymore, so it should get the benefits of a regular rifle as well, namely a bayonett when used with the infantry division. Tl;dr: - Increase ADS time of sniper rifles to .5s - Add Ironsights+Bayonett to all sniper rifles
I'm not a fan of quickscoping, but I think a lot of people get upset by how the killcam shows a quickscope, and they think the killcam is an instant replay. I never see a quickscoper death where the crosshairs for a millisecond. That doesn't mean that is how it happened in the quickscoper's end.
In COD modern warfare 2, I quick scoped all the time. Stopped for all other COD's game's. I'm thinking about getting back into it. Thank you for making this video.
Love your point of view here, backed up by logical points and reasonable arguments. I also agree that quickscoping is too powerful at present in this particular game. The ADS time is too quick and always on center as you said and basically gives every quickscoping a huge advantage at ranges they shouldn't have advantages at. A simple fix would be to slow down ads time and side to side/up down movement (not to the point of LMGS, but somewhere between LMGs and ARs, but closer to LMGs) and introducing a bit more randomness with the centering would probably be all that's needed. Granted, you'll never hear this from any competent quickscoper, because why would anyone want their advantage taken away? Just like if there was 0 quickscoping, you'd get nothing but tears from all the quickscopers complaining they can't do it. I'll finish by saying I get how hard it is to try to make everything balanced in a video game shooter with varying map sizes and guns without giving 1 setup a massive advantage over another. But when it's easily identifiable that something is OP, it should get nerfed, just like the BAR and Primed have seen already. And quickscoping is currently OP and should be in line for a nerf.
I agree with what you're saying with the close quarters part, but, if quick scoping can be picked up so easily it shouldn't need a nerf. Everybody IS on an even playing ground with quickscoping BECAUSE of how easily it can be learnt. I think they did great with sniping in this game, as it allows people who normally aren't great at it to pick it up (after all, sniping has its own 1 of only 5 divisions).
Quick scoping is Brocken as fuck and should be 100% eliminated. They need revers damage models, no scope mechanics for snipers while in the action of ads at all times, just like BF. Fuck cod already rips off every FPS out there but not with snipers. Take the fucking aim assist off snipers and make flinch actually matter. The amount of times I’m shooting and a snipers scope is bobbing crazy but I still get headshoted is pathetic. Also need a suppression mechanic, just like BF. Fuck I might just go back to bf the seem to have it right.
When you take in these things into account it makes quick scoping not so OP. 1. You said it yourself, a sniper has to stop moving to shoot when a reg gun player can strafe side to side to avoid being shot. 2. There is no aim assist to help snipers stick on target when the target is strafing. 3. The flinch in this game is pretty sever so most of the time you get shot before you can get a shot off with a sniper and miss the shot altogether and die. 3. The constant grenades and stuns make it nearly impossible to hit a sniper shot where you can just spray and pray with a reg gun.
Great video. One thing I will say, sniper in this game dont have AA(aim axist) and you have to stay stationary to hit the shot compare to rifle smg where you strafe left and right. Additionally, quickscoping take skill and practice, ik a lot of people who think qs is easy, pick up the sniper and do really bad. Its all down to practice practice and practice. Just like, if you want to be great at cod, it takes time to practice. Also, the ads for riffle and smg are quicker than sniper(less than .3) compare to sniper( >.3) so i dont see the point of explaining qs
I completely agree Ace. We'll said. The quickscoper has all of the advantage in most scenarios. ALSO, now that the new DLC is out, it's almost the same with the throwing knife. You can get a 1 hit kill in the arm or leg with a knife in a gunfight with a better weapon.
Good vid. I’m sooo glad you brought up that most of these maps are TOO small for traditional sniping. And I think that’s where quick scoping evolved from in the first place. People figured out how to make a sniper work on a small azz cod map. ( and I can quick scope on blops 1) and yes it is tough, but possible.
also, the argument stating the gunfight is not in your hands is completely false. when using any gun except for a sniper you can jump, go prone, move left, or move right, or any combination of those to help increase the chances of the sniper missing his first shot.
I think quick-scoping is one of those things that's super satisfying to do to others because you get to feel that awesome payoff for a high-risk maneuver, but it's super frustrating to have done to you because it feels like you're just a bot in someone else's game. That feeling of helplessness when it happens to you over and over is pretty disheartening, and it makes people want to quit when they don't feel like they have any way to counter it. When I'm in a lobby with a dominant quick-scoper, I usually run classes with smoke grenades and a bayonet and I camp corners a lot. I think it's important for snipers to be dominant at those middle/long ranges, but they should be next to useless at close/middle range. I wonder if flipping the damage ranges would work to promote that kind of play, like neck-up-one-shot-kills within 15 meters or something.
smgs and ars dont have to ads in close range they can spray and with steady aim at medium range sometimes meaning before i scope in im already flinching. Most of you are complaining about losing 1 on 1 and in most objective gamemodes this doesn't happen that often. Being a good cod player isn't always about having the faster time to kill. If you see a teammates death icon around a corner, glance at feed , oh he has a sniper, glance at the map, oh he's there seems like he's run n gunnin, wait, then kill. Or even jump around the corner and surprise them. Snipers mostly stand still when they shoot, thats a disadvantage. Personally I think the snipers are fine in this atm and any nerf for them is going to become a slippery slope. The mental attitude of "my gun should kill in 4 shots at this range everytime" is just a crutch, there's so many more factors to consider in every gunfight.
Ace, you said in the video that snipers would do much better with “regular guns” but, they really wouldn’t. Here is why: When sniping you must hit the first shot but, you only need to hit the first shot. This means that quickscopers are ridiculously accurate in their first shot but, what about the rest of the shots that you must hit with other guns? Snipers don’t need to deal with recoil control and tracking after the first shot. An example that completely proves my point is 1v1s between Scumpi and Pamaj. In those 1v1s, sometimes, Scumpi plays a quickscoping 1v1 and it is usually pretty close but, whenever Pamaj picks up a regular gun against Scumpi he gets destroyed. I know that you might be thinking that it is obvious that Pamaj will get destroyed by Scumpi because he is one of the best players in the game but, wouldn’t that mean that Scumpi should be destroyed playing with a sniper as Pamaj is one of the best at that? I have quickscoped before, which means I have been at the other end of the stick too, and I know how satisfying it is to hit those shots and I know that whenever you are doing it you tend to think that it takes a lot of skill but it really doesn’t in this game. This game is a lot like BO2 where sniping takes only the tiniest bit of skill and to me it isn’t half as nice to do than it is in BO1 where every shot you hit feels like an accomplishment. Just my thoughts please don’t kill me :)
Huge and consistent Xace fan here: First off - they have already been nerfed; they do NOT scope in to exact center as they did at launch. Second - I can understand it being frustrating to get killed by a quickscoper, however, I still am not sure what basis of reasoning is being used here. If it’s “when people pick up a sniper rifle they are better,” then we already know that’s not true just from the video. Most quickscopers can actually do better with other guns. However, if the basis is on realism and game dynamics, then that doesn’t make much sense either. In real life a sniper rifle may be heavier to lug around than an AR, but at 10-50 feet, they will have very similar accuracy properties. So if the reasoning for FURTHER nerfing is not for actual performance metrics or realism, then what is it? If it’s just how people think the game’s meta “should” be, then yes you are entitled to that opinion. The most intriguing thing in the video to me though is the thought of ‘control.’ Hit the shot = you always win and it was because you are skilled Miss the shot = you always lose and it’s your own fault. But you always know it was YOUR fault that you missed. YOU have control, you just have to be better. Brilliant deduction that I wholeheartedly agree on. Sniping is about control. It’s like playing 1v1 sports - there’s no one to blame but yourself. I happen to love 1v1 sports and I also happen to love sniping. #AspiringQuickscoper
