And here we have it, ladies and gentlemen. Scratch beneath the surface of an apparent liberal, and there is retribution, revenge, and malice lurking there somewhere. People who believe people should be held accountable for the entirely unconnected actions of people hundreds of years ago. I understand why you think like that. But it's not rational. It's an emotive argument, and, ironically given the despicable behaviour we're seeing on the streets at the minute having been whipped up by various bad actors, the product of someone else's ideology.
It's not alone. The Jeremy Vine show is like an audition for GB news. The latest target group of paracites are pensioners, you know? The ones who look after your kids while you're at work.
LibDems boycotting them full on, SNP for obvious reasons, Nobody from Labour available for Tominey. Wonder if she will return after the Summer/Xmas break ?
And all of the others and newspapers, there is but one place where we get the truth, online, unfortunately it's buried under lots of lies, but it's easy to find the truth if you know how to look.
I'm wondering who arranged and underwrote the public liability insurance etc. for those Trafalgar Square EDL rallies. Not Tommeh Mortgage-Fraudster, nor Paul 'Luxury Watches and Guard Dogs' Thorpe, his 'moderate' deputy. Just the sort of thing that a private company like Reform might oblige with, however.....
I'm a migrant, from Germany and Christian. I am one of those millions who came here. Most of us are fully integrated (apart from the accent I will always have a German accent on top of my Scottish one.) It's people like them who then tell me "oh you don't count you are German" So if I don't count what is it then - skin colour and that makes them plain and simple racists.
A Christian country according to this man? Well, where are those “Christian” values of charity, kindness, generosity of spirit? The way he was speaking certainly didn’t demonstrate any of those values.
@PortilloMoment Slip of the tongue - 'acceptable' face of white supremacy co-opting the church. So yes, blasphemous if you believe God and Jesus are one, and hypocritical even if you don't.
@@petermoxham2625 According to Justin Welby, speaking in the Lords, the old testament also records God commanding people to care for the alien and stranger. I would think he's a fairly important authority on how you should think if you consider this a Christian country, as he sits in the lords by virtue of holding a pretty high office in the Church of England. The opening of The Archbishop's speech on the Safety of Rwanda Bill, 29/01/2024: My Lords, in almost every tradition of global faith and of humanism around the world the dignity of the individual is at the heart of what is believed. In the Christian tradition we are told to welcome the stranger. Jesus said “I was a stranger and you invited me in”. In numerous places in the Old Testament and New, the commands of God are to care for alien and stranger. My Lords, it has already been said, and I agree with it, that the way this bill and its cousin, that we debated in the summer works is to obscure the truth that all people, asylum seekers included, are of great value. We can, as a nation, do better than this bill.
And Farage on GB News on Thursday. I have written to my MP asking that he be censored by the Commons for his clear incitement of violence in that statement.
@@christown2827 Here's the thing, the way I see it; If he says something in Parliament then he is protected by Privilege from prosecution. However, he refuses to spout his bile there because he can be confronted, questioned, even debated. Also, he doesn't like being in Parliament or Clacton. He prefers social media and posing like a frog-mouthed version of Big Brother, speaking only to the rabble who follows him.
We have the king as the head of the Church of England, so technically we live in a Christian country but not many go to church or practice Christian values 😢
@@californiadreamin8423 1600 years at most if you're counting from around 400; which is when Britain first had contact with Christians from Rome. You can't just count from the supposed birth of Christ.
There are people who sit in the house of lords by vitue of being Christian. I wonder what they have said... In the Christian tradition we are told to welcome the stranger. Jesus said “I was a stranger and you invited me in”. In numerous places in the Old Testament and New, the commands of God are to care for alien and stranger. Justin Welby, 29/01/2024, The Archbishop's speech on the Safety of Rwanda Bill
If we were truly a Christian country we would welcome the stranger among us and care for them. True Christianity is about loving your neighbour as yourself and not defining who your neighbour is, it is not about saying I am white and born in the UK so therefore I have the christian badge.
Well, it seems you agree with what some Christian leader from a place called Canterbury said in the house of lords: In the Christian tradition we are told to welcome the stranger. Jesus said “I was a stranger and you invited me in”. Justin Welby, January 2024 If you're going to say we're a christian country, you should probably have a very good reason to completely disagree with a leader in the established church.
@@colinreed5135 Christianity is a buffet where the practitioner can pick and choose the good, or the bad. A good Christian just knows, using secular morality, to ignore the bad bits. Nothing inherently in Christianity makes a person good.
I wonder if Reform UK think that British immigrants living in other countries should 'integrate' and 'blend in', such as the 60,000 living on the Costa Del Sol.
@@lynholness5177what makes you think immigrants scrounge off the country? The 700k that were allowed in to work here in the last year or so are paying taxes. They're not scrounging.
@@lynholness5177 Seriously? They take advantage of a comparatively lower cost of living - that's mainly why they go there. And so, the logic is the same - scrounging from a different country!
Those moaning about immigrants not integrating are the same people on the costa del sol pointing at a picture of a full English brekky and pint of john smiths to the waiter.🤔
@bm1617 Yes. They're fed up with those same 'English' thugs who are on our 'English' streets now. "English" thuggery on holiday; 'English" is becoming a pejorative adjective.
Starmer puts Davos first, than England. Starmer lets pedophiles off. First, Jimmy Saville . Now, gangs. Starmer grants asylum to illegals immediately they arrived. Starmer building for them houses. Starmer does not protect our boarders. Every single day he destroys the uk.
He has to go because he is a puppet, every speech he makes he can't speak more than a few words without looking at his notes to see what his masters want him to say. He already said he prefers DAVOS to parliament but he has do more work for them first before they will let him into the magic circle.
It really annoys me when these people talk like this. The irony is British immigrants to other European countries are the worst when it comes to integration, they often don't learn the language and live apart in their own separate communities. I hope Reform are not trying to emulate their friend Trump after he lost an election.
As Fart-age is an acolyte of the Great Orange Felon, it is natural for Reform to use the MAGA playbook. So far Fart-age has voted only twice in the House - he's spent more time trying to kiss Trump's arse,. So much for his concern for his constituents. News for Reform, the attacker was a Christian British national - now shut the hell up and let the police do the work!
Just take a look at France and Spain...you will find entire villages full of Brits living there with no desire to learn French or Spanish....but you will find fish and chip shops.
That's exactly what they're doing - trying to usurp the democratic process - just like Trump and HIS nutters. We just had a GE - Reform plc got 14% of the vote. They lost and they need to get over it.. now where have I heard that before..
Wow. I always despised the British National Party and fascism in general. Christian values? I have no words, except that I live abroad and am seeing the country I love go down the rabbit hole. 😢
Freedom of movement worked what the Tories have done in desperation to replace the lost eu workforce has compounded the Issue with millions being invited here from x commonwealth countries unbalanced net migration Let them come he said check the last Tory conference he took part in when still PM!
I'm a devout atheist, born and bred in this country from English and Welsh stock, I don't like what Mr Lowe "stands for", he does not speak for me with his vacuous Christian rhetoric etc...
Actually, Andy, you and I would stand together - an atheist and a Christian believer. Lowe and his dubiously racist party certainly don't speak for me - I'll say no more than that.
The trouble with 'Christians' is they're usually trying to convert people to their faith, whether or not the people in question want to be 'converted'. I gave up on the Catholic Faith in 1971, aged 18, and have rarely visited a church ever since.
As a saints fan, I have so many stories about Rupert Lowe and his time as Southampton chairman. There’s a reason why he didn’t stand in a constituency near Southampton
People taking to the streets and setting fire to buildings and rioting saying we want to make our streets safer while not making our streets safer can someone make it make sense please as they want our streets to be safe while making it not safe for people to go out or go to work
It doesn't make sense because it literally *can't* make sense. To the people doing this, "making the streets safer" is a euphemism that means one thing and one thing only: get rid of everyone who isn't "fully integrated into British society" (i.e. white or at least pale enough to pass). This has got nothing whatsoever to do with desiring actual safety measures in the wake of the murder of three children (like, say, petitioning for a total ban on the casual-carry of knives and bladed weapons in the same manner as our measures on handguns, or some such); this is a tragedy that's been successfully hijacked by out-and-proud bigots and racists for the sole purpose of causing enough chaos and destruction that when it's finally over, those responsible for the hijacking can just shrug and further blame migrants and asylum seekers for somehow making the "native" (again, white) British population feel unsafe enough to be forced to violent rioting and thus try and destabilise the existing democratically elected government to (very likely undemocratically) instil themselves in its place. Those responsible for and participating in these riots may not like having their actions compared to 1930s' Germany (to which the only response is "stop emulating it, then") but seriously, the events of Kristallnacht (and the build-up to it) bear more than a passing resemblance to the behaviour being displayed here. To the point where if you don't know what Kristallnacht was or only vaguely remember it from school, it's well worth reading up on at this point, if only to be prepared for the potential next moves.
Looting and violence is just taking advantage ,they know arrests are unlikely. It has absolutely nothing to do with the three little girls who lost their lives. Certainly not politics, the thugs involved in most cases probably couldn't name a single politician or party. Racial motivation probably ,mainly just getting away with violence and thuggery.
Christian values still underpin our laws and standards of behaviour. Much of this has been eroded by the government we have had for the past 14 years. No Christian country has room for the hate that Reform seems happy to justify.
Interesting fact: I'm christian of mixed British and Asian heritage, cultured only through British education systems, and the only mixed person in my family and I've been told I'm not "integrating" a fair few times. No matter what you say or do they'll never be happy. It's just a sad fact. "Integration" is just a euphemism for racially acceptable.
As an imperial country we were full of foreigners. You would have to go back before we were an empire to find very few. We have no living memory of back then., So what are these people going on about.?
The tories tried, whiled skimming billions off into their own and their mates' pockets, to take Britain back to Victorian days and establish an under class.
This twat's leadership as chairman almost bankrupted our club and the administrators had to come in. If it wasn't for the angel that was Markus Liebherr coming in to save us then there was a serious possibility of going out of business.
If you hate someone because of their race, why are you so concerned about them integrating? Surely you'd want them to keep to themselves rather than invite you to a BBQ.
Superb logic. Of course, the real answer is that those on the right live on hate they are so tribal they begin to hate each other. It's our one saving grace since the 60's one group comes to prominence only for them to fall out with one another. It will happen between Reform & whatever the EDL call themselves now and of course, it happened in Germany when the blackshirts turned on the brownshirts.
@@mrd64 That's not how it works. The 'not integrating' is code for 'you are different and I don't like it, I want to kick you out of the country'. That's how the racist mind works in my experience.
There is no logic in thuggery. It's literally a cult of hate. A few years ago it was the homeless they focused their hate onto - they even burned some on the streets. Lovely folks..
But but but why are they moaning about increased immigration after they voted for Brexit to end immigration and are now blaming everyone else but themselves? What has Brexit done for them other than misery, division, poverty, chaos and higher immigration? These things did not exist prior to the referandum I remember very very well.
Tony Blair, not really more like 14 years of Right wing government has caused the problem. Plus opting out the Dublin Agreement via brexit which stopped the return of failed asylum seekers. Now which government opened the gates, it was Queen Victoria’s government that as empress of India actively encourage people from the empire to come to Britain Yet in papers from 2003, released in 2023, called for ideas to stem the eligibility of people to claim asylum and speed up process and deportation
I'm Yorkshire born and bred and I'm sure like many my age I was raised a Christian, went to a Christian school, and went to church semi-regularly on a Sunday. As I got older, got to be friends with people of other cultures and religions, got to the age where I could question what I heard in school, in church and from family, I came to the conclusion that I'm not a Christian. It felt nice growing up in a world where everyone around me had those same beliefs but ultimately that's not the same world. I don't need a book of stories which may or may not be true to teach me right from wrong. I don't need the threat of punishment or promise of a reward from an imaginary friend to try to be a good person. I am agnostic, I don't know if there's a God or Gods then one of two things is true: 1) They made us all to be equal, they believe in loving everyone regardless of race, origin, gender, sexuality or otherwise. They don't punish people for things they do not choose and they understand that humans aren't perfect and will make mistakes, upset each other, hurt each other unintentionally but that best intentions mean more than anything else and they don't expect our worship. 2) If the above is not the case, they are mean-spirited, self-centred and don't deserve our worship.
There are Christians in the UK, but for the first time in recent history they are a minority, not the majority and that doesn’t have anything to do with immigrants, it’s because the majority are not religious at all.
Locking them in hotels with no prospect of time for there claims to be processed then refusing then the chance to work and contribute also does not help. We took Ukraine Hong-Kong Afghans in because we had to that was not there fault but even they were left in limbo
We have more atheists than Christians. I bet good money none of these people in church have been in a church since being baptized. No head of the church would sanction if his flock was part of these riots.
No, Jan 6th for all its stupidity had a plan to stop the peaceful transfer of power and was supported by one of the two main parties. This is the party of 5 trying to depose a PM with the largest majority either major party has ever had.
@@gillianslater9227what's your problem, we have just had a general election and the party with the most votes won ,that was Labour, that believe it or not is democracy, the majority of people in this country are not behind the thugs that have taken to the streets, with have had 14 years of torys running this country into the ground while helping thereselves to as much as possible, we needed change and Labour was the only option
UK, a Christian country? I don't think so, weddings, that's it with me and millions of others. Funerals? the last five I went to were religion free. Time for Reform to keep up.
Starmar and Labour party is doing that vary well, thank you! A good leader nether divides he unites! Starmar's last statements have pured oil on hot ashes, and will the British people even more! What Farage is doing is talking to the people and listening to the people's concerns which what Labour should be doing! I am NO fan of Farage! But we must admire him! In the same way you can admire a Tiger, but would not wish to be in the same cage as one!
Starmer is doing great for the majority of the people, it’s just thugs and farage useless lot , that need to be curtailed, stop giving farage air time, it will then quieten down .
The presenter accepts his numbers with no pushback. This country has a population of about 60 million people with around 50 million of these people (~three quarters) being white (although being white doesn't necessarily mean you are Christian), 46% being Christian, 37% being non religious, 6.5% being Muslim, 1.7% Hindu, 0.9% Sikh, 0.5% Jewish, and 0.5% Buddhist. 50 million people in the census count were born in the UK as well. So where are these 13 million people (almost a quarter of the whole population) who are immigrants and haven't integrated? This makes no sense. This Is the question that should have been raised with this man not blindly accepting he says. This man is dog whistling to his far right supporters and violence for his own political gain. The sooner the media realises this and doesn't invite these people onto their programmes whilst rioting is going on the better. I'm all for free speech but this means having reasoned debate and being probed on what they claim as truth and not just being allowed to spew hatred and raise tensions that end up in violence.
Reform MPs have been schooled in the Trump playbook- tell any lies you like on compliant media, others repeat them, you then produce them as "Everyone knows" facts. Truth has ceased to have any existence or value for these people. The similarity between Reform"s, Trump's and Hitler's ploys is frightening.
I was born here, as were my parents and their parents before them, and I am *not* a Christian, nor do I adhere to the Christian "values" of burning "other Christians" at the stake for heresy. Nor do I try to impose my beliefs (or lack of them) on to other people "because god"
@@gillianslater9227Farage is distracter. Brexit creator . Together with Boris " sing " many wonders if we will leave EU. But, we don't have any alternative.
Just realised thanks to this huge intellect guy that, as an atheist, I shouldn't be here as I'm not a Christian. Oh, half Irish as well. Where do I go Rupe?
I'm not a Christian, you have to be Christened and confirmed a Christian by the church I believe. I was never Christened. Does that make me un-British? In fact my genetic make up is German and Scandinavian and the largest concentration of people with my surname still occupy the River Humber region to this today. You might even argue that I'm more British than a lot of British people today, what with ancestry stretching back a thousand or more years.
I would go as far as to say that Reform needs to have the same legal status as the BNP as they share the same values and promote hatred. As Reform is a business and not a true party it would be hard to gag. This is what must happen to deal with the cancer that has been infected society since 2016. The referendum fuelled what had been lying under the surface for decades and as a result an uglier side of society has surfaced.
These people are why I left the Tory Party in the 1980s. Only then they used to skulk around on the fringes of Conference. But they had a plan. A plan to take over British politics and to subjugate the country for their own ends. Step one was to take control of the money. Make the party beholden to them. Step two was to control the media. Step three was to grow their number within the party. Step four leave the EU. And the rest is history. The 2016 result has surely emboldened them to leave the swamp and step into the light.
@@gillianslater9227 Okay, breaking my own rules here but I'll jump right in to this troll trap, I realize that like spaghetti or jello even your upper case i-net noise doesn't stick very well to the proverbial social networks whiteboard. Have a nice rest of your day, and thank you for your concerns.
