Is Retouching Cheating?? 

Thanks! Yes any artist can create as much as they want :-)

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Many unknown or worldwide wellknown photographers before the digital tools did some retouching works, yes it's true, BUT the tools were a less powerfull than nowadays computers, the possibilities were limited compare to Lr or Ps or any other modern software. THIS IS NO LONGER "PHOTOGRAPHY"

Simple question; simple answer. If you change what is captured by the camera, after the shooting then you cheat.

Yes that makes sens, I get that!

Absolutely I agree! Glad it makes sense ;-)

Oh nice! So glad you like it! ;-) yeah I think it is part of the creative process ;-)

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I bet! That must have been interesting to go from an extreme to the other! Well have fun creating! :-)

I bet! That must have been interesting to go from an extreme to the other! Well have fun creating! :-)

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Not as far and deep than with modern nowadays softwares. (see my separate comment).

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Today everybody is able to press a camera button, with "Auto" or "P" modes and use Lightroom or Photoshop to produce an IMAGE, even a beautifull IMAGE. Are they "photographers" ? Is it still "Photography" ? To me IT'S NOT. I'm tired to see many and many over saturated colors, gradiant or radial filters and so on basicly and badly used for post production. The public is no longer able to say what a PHOTOGRAPHY is !

@@iannisanarys6887 What makes someone a photographer ? I am curious to know.

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Great viewpoint im more about creating an effect then represeting a truth, i like to communicate a feeling

Same thoughts here Retouching to make it appear like what the eyes saw . ✨✨

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Thanks! No I didn’t yet but I am planning on doing that ;-)

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@@SergeRamelliPhotography on the other hand, it is more pleasing for the photographer to achieve the perfect shot without retouching. If I can catch the perfect sunset with the perfect clouds, becouse I was good at predicting the timing and the day, and waited for the right situation, I may get frustrated if someone else achieve the same result without effort by compositing tihngs in photoshop. Probably it is what thought photographers that used to shot on film. Today it may seems to easy to get great photos, if you are not afraid to cheat a lot in photoshop.

Cool i can understand that!

I agree! We have the easy solution now a days but I did that process too it is quite something! But I agree some people can go overboard!

Wow haha! I did receive a lot of those comments, and I can understand but I really appreciate you mentioning that you changed your mind, that is just my viewpoint and I am glad that I can open others to see it as well!

I will have to check it out and let you know!

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That’s a great comparaison you are right! I like it :-)

@@SergeRamelliPhotography Hi Serge thank you for taking the time to reply to my comment and I am glad you like my comparison. I have been a professional musician for many years and a photography enthusiast even longer (My very first camera was a Lubitel 2). Both music and photography (when I am talking about photography I mean photography as an art through which you express your emotions and not photo-journalism) have a common main point: Composition! As with every composition some will love it and some will disapprove it. The 99% of modern musical compositions include electronic sounds (midi). Have you ever heard anybody saying : " I don´t like this piece of music because the composer is cheating on the instruments that he is using because they are synthesizers and not real? No ! Nobody ever said that! The same happens with singers. No singer sounds the same in real life as they sound on recordings. Yet nobody is accusing them for cheating because they use studio equipment to improve the sound of their voice. What matters is the final sound or to put it better the final composition! I consider photography to be exactly the same thing. Everything has got to do with composition. As a photographer you are the composer. There are plenty of tools in your disposal to express you feelings and your emotions. Some will love your composition and some will disapprove it. As long as the understanding is that you are dealing with art and not journalism to my opinion there are NO LIMITS! Nobody has to like my composition! Everybody is free to like it or to disapprove it. At the end of the day it is My art, My time My composition! I am not cheating to nobody! I am just expressing my views and my feelings using light and all the equipment that are available to me to do so. THERE IS NO CHEATING IN ART! Thank you again for your video Serge and for taking the time to read my comment ! You have done an excellent job!

I am glad! Yeah that makes sense to me ;-)

Haha yes! That can happen for sure :-)

I have noticed that often, those who criticize fine art photographers are those who do not know the historical and meanings of the words "Photography" and "Cheating" we use. A cheat is a cheat ! even though about changing an image captured before with a camera with post production softwares. LANGUAGE is the key to understand things we're talking about.

Haha thanks! I do agree it is an artistic decision! :-)

Sure! Exactly:-)

True! It is an artistic decision ;-)

yes

it depends on what cheating means and what is "photography", since 1826 ! It all depends what is the meaning and definition of the words we use.

Maybe U're tired , but the question is from serge and about cheating, then people come to talk about, It's logical Captain Kirk.

I couldn’t agree more ;-) haha

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Sure it can be.. but I can understand :-) that’s just my viewpoint :-)

Absolutely and the eye knows the correct colors when the camera well is just a camera ;-)

For sure! That makes sense! :-)

Haha true!

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Haha i guess it’s a little bit of both? I love doing photography because I bring emotions to others but I enjoy the process myself :-)

Thanks! Happy you like it :-)

Sure any artist can express themselves the way they want!

Here is a video on how to make fine art: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uxgOKPj9HQ8.html

Haha that’s very funny! You are welcome ;-)

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Well I’ve had a lot of comments throughout the years and I wanted to explain my viewpoint and I also want to help people so that they can create the way they want :-)

Sure!

Haha :-) well don’t fight with your girlfriend haha that’s just my viewpoint ;-)

Sure it really depend from one person to another :-)

Sure! Whatever works for you, at the end of the day that is all that matters ;-)

I think exactly the same!!! Because you can definitely make a "photomontage" and present it as ART, but you can't go around saying that you "took that photograph" because it's NOT like you CAPTURED that moment. Those are 2 different categories and it seems like some people are trying to mix them. Plus, just "retouching" is not the same as "making substantial changes".

And what do you thimk about the ‘reality’ created. by lens and filter?

@@SergeRamelliPhotography To me it's the same as the paint or maybe the canvas that the painter uses.Did Monet paint the same shade of green in his garden painting?

@@SergeRamelliPhotography Well I think because you sell packages of filters or plugins or scripts that obvsiouly your answer is ... your answer ;-) But I'm sure in your deep mind and your own knowledge you know what a cheat is and anything about this subject. But we could discuss hundreds of hours about this case.

Merci! ;-)

Sure!

Absolutely yes!! :-)

Haha i know people can have their viewpoints, I don’t mind, I just wanted to share mine :-)

Thanks! I think so too ;-)

Nope! I agree! :-)

Serge Ramelli Photography I still have the filters stashed away somewhere.I might even have some of the paper.

very true

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@@SergeRamelliPhotography on a abordé ce point ensemble à Paris l'an dernier, brièvement ,vers le pont des arts ^^