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It’s time for some Harry Potter fan theory! In this episode, Mike explores the possibility that Ron and Dumbledore are the same person. J.K. Rowling has stated that this is not true, but should that even matter? Do you think that Ron and Dumbledore are one and the same? Let us know what you think in the comments!
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@lyadmilo
@lyadmilo 8 лет назад
Ron is Dumbledore is a much more boring theory than Ron is secretly an amazing seer. Almost all of the random stuff he makes up for divination homework turns out to be true. And it could actually be true, if he either never realises it or comes into this full power as Seer after the timeline of the series (like during Auror training maybe).
@ricois3
@ricois3 8 лет назад
+lyadmilo I always thought that Ron had subconscious seeing habilities. Maybe the third eye has to be subconscious... Trelawney didn't remember when she did an actual prediction.
@dwood2001
@dwood2001 8 лет назад
+lyadmilo Knowing what Jo is like, that might be more of a product of her sense of humour than anything. :p
@QuinnSquared
@QuinnSquared 8 лет назад
+lyadmilo Funny enough, almost all "fake" predictions in the series end up coming true in some form or another. Including Harry's and Ron's divination homework, which they collaborated on. It's likely that either one or both of them is a seer, or alternatively, the predictions were general enough (or as a product of intent to make a prediction) that they came true regardless. It seems like prophecies in the Potterverse are almost always self-fulfilling, so through the act of making the prediction one might guarantee that it happens, especially if the prediction itself is vague enough that it could apply itself to many situations and thus become more likely to occur.
@nathaliehc9694
@nathaliehc9694 8 лет назад
+QuinnSquared I suppose that if little wizards can perform magic before learning how to control it, probably all wizards can see the future, but only few learn how to control it, as it happens with any other magic subject. So, whenever they are making stuff up, playing around with "predictons" some real magic is bound to happen.
@elderscrollsswimmer4833
@elderscrollsswimmer4833 7 лет назад
Well, divination i's probably bound to uncertainty principle. That is, from the beginning: "Fred was going on about having to wrestle a troll" -- Ron did, during his first year; just not at the sorting. That is, somewhat accurate event, vague timing. Or from third book by Trelawney: "That thing you are dreading - it will happen - on Friday the 16th of October." We get the when, but the what is vague. Probably "receiving bad news" because everyone else had been -- come 16th October, she receives a letter about her pet dying; And then you have the /prophecies/: You have somewhat accurate timing and somewhat accurate description of what will happen; but the /wording/ is ambiguous. It's /rarely/ understood until it is fulfilled unless the recipient causes it to happen.
@alangebhardt8286
@alangebhardt8286 8 лет назад
I think the importance of authorial intent matters only as much as you are concerned with the theory being correct. For some theories, the intent is to find the truth or hidden message/idea in a work, and for others it's a fun thought exercise. If the truth is what you seek, then authorial intent is paramount. But if you only want to mess around with the ideas of the universe and see if you can have a theory make sense by the end of it, then authorial intent is irrelevant. For example, in regards to the Darth Jar Jar theory, if George Lucas himself were to come out and say that the theory was wrong my response would be a resounding DON'T CARE. It's just so fun to think about and it actually improves the first movie in my mind, the truth is less important than enjoying the experience of believing that we were all deceived by an author who did his job too well, in creating a character who fooled not only those around him but us the viewers into believing he was a harmless bumbling fool.
@rmsgrey
@rmsgrey 8 лет назад
+Alan Gebhardt Ever since Greedo shot first (and missed for no good reason), I've found it hard to care what George Lucas thinks...
@CageNightwind
@CageNightwind 8 лет назад
+Alan Gebhardt I agree. For example, The Pokemon War theory helps explain things and could make sense but if it were confirmed or denied, people would still be attracted to the theory but accept the truth... On the other hand, the theory that Rugrats was the result of Angelica's paranoid and depressed schizophrenia, was made just for the sake of being creepy and nonsensical.
@JohnOhno
@JohnOhno 8 лет назад
+Alan Gebhardt But, by definition, a theory about a fictional work can't be correct. It can only either agree or disagree with the author's mental model. And, we know that plenty of authors have mental models of their works that are far less interesting than even the mental model held by a typical consumer of their work, let alone a fan.
@rmsgrey
@rmsgrey 8 лет назад
John Ohno If I have a theory that the character generally regarded as the central character of A New Hope is called Keyser Soze, then that's incorrect; if my theory is that he's called Luke Skywalker, then that's correct. Okay, "theory" may not be the best word for it, but beliefs about fictional works can also be supported or unsupported by the facts provided by the works themselves, independently of their agreement with the author's mental model.
@JohnOhno
@JohnOhno 8 лет назад
It's not that it's not a theory. It's just that it's a dumb theory with no justification for its existence -- one that would gain no traction because it doesn't add anything interesting to the mix. By making a statement that trivially contradicts canon, you've produced a fan theory with no draw; however, any statement about any canon can be justified with sufficient effort on the part of the creator, and so if you made your theory about Luke Skywalker being Kyser Soze interesting (say, by suggesting that Soze posed as Skywalker from the beginning of the film in order to trick Obi Wan into trusting him for the express reason of getting the Rebel Alliance to help him advance into Vader's position of power over the empire, and that his whole innocent-farm-boy act was a con and his aunt and uncle were actors) then you could find a reason to justify it.
@0Fyrebrand0
@0Fyrebrand0 8 лет назад
If you rearrange the letters in Albus Dumbledore, it spells "I am Ron Weasley."
@judyhatem892
@judyhatem892 8 лет назад
there is no n in dumbledore or albus
@CaptainSweatpants90
@CaptainSweatpants90 8 лет назад
+Living Myth Good one! :)
@needsnaming
@needsnaming 8 лет назад
+Judy Hatem There is if you use polyjuice potion.
@elderscrollsswimmer4833
@elderscrollsswimmer4833 7 лет назад
Not a W either.
@juliat.2172
@juliat.2172 7 лет назад
Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore - I am Ron Bilius Weasley
@ArturoStojanoff
@ArturoStojanoff 8 лет назад
What... what about Dumbledore's entire past and family???
@Snes_Controller
@Snes_Controller 8 лет назад
+Arturo Stojanoff As Mike said, this theory is from back in 2004, before we had all that info on Dumbledore's past.
@Satisfyedeyes
@Satisfyedeyes 8 лет назад
+Arturo Stojanoff Yeah, I don't know how anyone could argue that since the 7th book came out. I agree that authorial intent pretty much doesn't matter but you can't ignore things that happen in the canon. I mean, I know this was from 2004 when it could have been valid but with the later knowledge about Dumbledore's youth you'd think this theory would become irrelevant. I'm not sure why he chose to talk about it. He suggests that fan theories don't have to be true, they just have to reexamine the text in an insightful way..and I completely agree but this theory has lost its relevancy with the information from the 7th book so it is now ignoring instead of reexamining the text.
@grex2595
@grex2595 8 лет назад
+Satisfyedeyes +Josh Petticrew It doesn't really matter if it was before the 5th and 6th books because of the OWL examinations in book 4. The transfiguration examiner mentions how she saw Dumbledore do transfigurations that she'd never seen before. That means that he had a past, and that he is significantly better at transfiguration than we ever see Ron to be.
@nathanieldaiken1064
@nathanieldaiken1064 7 лет назад
But, who is still alive after 100 years to dispute DumbleRon's history? A senile Bathilda Bagshot?? Wizards have computer record that go back 200 years? Or a a family of record keeping owls? IDK
@NerdSyncProductions
@NerdSyncProductions 8 лет назад
There's that John Green quote about books belonging to the readers that I like a lot. I personally don't need or want confirmation by a kind of authority figure that labels fan theories as either true or false. I've made a few of my own fan theories regarding comic book characters that I think are pretty convincing, and the last thing I want is to have Marvel or DC tell me that the thing I spent countless hours researching and writing out is just plain false. And if they confirm it as true, then it takes all the fun out of explaining my logic and reasoning to my friends. Instead of saying "This story and this event and this line of dialogue all point to the idea that this theory is true," I instead only need to say "It's true because the writer said so."
@motest08
@motest08 8 лет назад
+NerdSync I was just mentioning this quote to my friend when he refuted that Ron could not be Dumbledore because Ron is not gay. I have started to think of JK Rowlings comments about the world that are not in the book as her own fan theories. I appreciate that she had a whole world in her head when she was writing the book but at some point she has to let the fans have their own world too. That is the best part about reading is imaging the world the characters are in as it looks in your imagination. I feel like JK actually does a disservice to her readers by putting these fan theories out. its sort of like author fanfiction but we are supposed to take it as truth. I think the biggest problem with this fan theory is book 7. Without it im all for the theory. But how to we explain Grindelwald and Abelforth?
@CptRennier
@CptRennier 8 лет назад
In my opinion, I think this whole subject really comes down to personal interpretation, very similar to the concept of 'head-canon' as discussed on Nerd-Sync, but still different, and i define the terms in a couple different ways. I think that 'head-canon' is the private interpretation of a reader that is immutable by all outside that singular reader, this interpretation of the work does not necessitate confirmation of, or reconciliation with the intent, or plan of author, estate, or legal owner of the intellectual property. A fan theory on the other hand, is defined by me, as an attempt to culminate a more complete understanding, or derive some hitherto hidden purposeful meaning or intent of the author, estate, or I.P. owner, and therefore requires the coherence mentioned in the video, in absence of official word or approval from the appe source of authority. Fan theories are also one method by which to communicate a personal head-canon to other prospective readers, by offering coherence and rationale for why they may wish to accept the concept into their own head-canon.
@miguelrealp
@miguelrealp 8 лет назад
+NerdSync Doesn't matter author opinion. If she already finished her work and didn't think about that option, then it may be possible because I said so and because it makes sense to me. Therefore, that's the truth in this fictional magic world. Scientists can tell me about true facts in the real world we live in, but I decide in my imagination , even when the fictional worlds where originally created by others
@shygirl2927
@shygirl2927 8 лет назад
I love hearing about the author's input but if idc then I'll just say so and move on but there are times when I want to know that they are true.
@Max-Blast_Media
@Max-Blast_Media 8 лет назад
+NerdSync I would say, your theory would be well-researched fan fiction in that case but since it's about comic books it hardly matters. Marvel and DC have had so many ret-cons and retellings that it makes no difference. In fact, the fact that they are Marvel and DC fan theories makes them true in some universe. The many worlds theory is canon in both franchises I think. While I have come up with a fan theory or two, I haven't done any research so maybe the comparison falls flat, but I would be excited to learn my theory was true. Of course, considering they were mostly Legend of Zelda theories it hardly matters, as that series hardly has a canon. As a pre-split timeline Zelda fan, I was forced to come to terms with the fact that canon can be disappointing. Now my philosophy is simply to write my own stories, if I don't like them I can change them. :P
@FabbrizioPlays
@FabbrizioPlays 8 лет назад
I think it's very easy to muddy the issue when a symbolic or metaphorical arc is taken in the most literal possible sense. Once you find a simpler explanation for Dumbledore's foresight (for example, that he's simply an exceptional magician - we already knew that he's one of the best), the hypothesis falls apart, and leaves nothing but correlations and speculations. And those correlations are more easily explained by the arc. The conclusion, I think, is spurious. It's not that "Ron and Dumbledore are similar, therefore Ron is Dumbledore", but perhaps "Ron reminds Dumbledore of himself", which would explain things like giving Ron the deluminator. It's a symbolic element. It gives depth to our understanding of the characters, and I think taking it in a literal manner trivializes that depth.
@mattjohnston2
@mattjohnston2 8 лет назад
+Fabbrizio Plays Thank you, I agree with you completely on this.
@jakejutras2733
@jakejutras2733 8 лет назад
^^ all of my yes.
@Meliasaurus
@Meliasaurus 8 лет назад
+Fabbrizio Plays Or even Ron is Harry's friend and Dumbledore wants Harry to succeed so he gives Ron the delluminator.
@SmearedBlackInk2003
@SmearedBlackInk2003 8 лет назад
+Fabbrizio Plays Very well put.
@theuniversalscholar2362
@theuniversalscholar2362 8 лет назад
People don't want a European white guy to be more than a 2D fool and so willfully ignore any internal emotions or thoughts. I have seen this guy before flailing about some woman's issue or another in the past so wouldn't surprise me if he was somewhat closed-minded. but such things also happen when people only see the films, they don't get the emotional readout that writing can give
@fixamo768
@fixamo768 8 лет назад
Here's what I think: PLEASE DON'T STOP THE THEORY VIDEOS
@sh10vf5472
@sh10vf5472 8 лет назад
+Samuel Lemmon I Second that!
@burningflurber
@burningflurber 8 лет назад
I was just thinking how unusual the timing is with these, i want a Darth Darth binks episode
@Theraot
@Theraot 8 лет назад
+Samuel Lemmon This is the last one. It is the 5th out of the 5 anounced.
@Bunnychan69
@Bunnychan69 8 лет назад
+Alfonso J. Ramos (theraot) doesnt mean there wont be more if the fans like them enough :D
@Theraot
@Theraot 8 лет назад
Bunny Chan Of course, Also, for those who don't like them, we can move on to other things. At least, for a little while.
@SchizoSchematic
@SchizoSchematic 8 лет назад
I think Ron is definitely meant to *parallel* Dumbledore; the little things like their shared love of sweets and their similar appearance are a nice little nod to the larger comparisons between their narratives- the family grievances, the friend digging themselves into deeper and deeper trouble, etc. I think Ron is supposed to be what Dumbledore wishes he could have been at his age.
@Nulono
@Nulono 8 лет назад
Here's a fan theory: Ms. Frizzle is a time lord.
@jellevm
@jellevm 8 лет назад
I'm following a course on literature and my professor believes authors have no authority over the meaning of their works. Make of that what you will.
@Jasonwolf1495
@Jasonwolf1495 8 лет назад
+Lazhward Kirmist well since he is the author of that thought then I interpret that as false.
@jellevm
@jellevm 8 лет назад
wolflordjsww Oh man, is this a chance to quote one of my favourite philosophers!? "Although everybody started his life by inserting himself into the human world through action and speech, nobody is the author or producer of his own life story. In other words, the stories, the results of action and speech, reveal an agent, but this agent is not an author or producer. Somebody began it and is its subject in the twofold sense of the word, namely, its actor and sufferer, but nobody is its author." Hannah Arendt, _The Human Condition_, 184.
@Jasonwolf1495
@Jasonwolf1495 8 лет назад
Lazhward Kirmist Ok... I think I understand this. probably be better if I ever read that. Never actually heard of it... but there literally is an author in this case. that is a fact, so...
@sh10vf5472
@sh10vf5472 8 лет назад
+Lazhward Kirmist Great quote, THS! It made me think of this Shakespeare quote: O our wills and fates do so contrary run That our devices still are overthrown; Our thoughts are ours, their ends none of our own.
@nachosforeverful
@nachosforeverful 8 лет назад
+Lazhward Kirmist I feel like one can reject authorial intent, but in doing so you also MUST renounce responsibility from the author from the implications that you arrive from that direction. However I think both interpretations are fine when stayed consistent to. I just think pretty often people do the exact opposite of what I just said, and thus shove a whole lot of implications down the authors throat they did not put there. (The curtains being blue because the author liked blue, not necessarily because it reflected the emotional state of the character)
@kraakenhex8459
@kraakenhex8459 8 лет назад
The last video about ad blocker and the presence of ads in online content was not sponsored. This one was. I'm not saying anything other than that I definitely noticed.
@Wizborg
@Wizborg 8 лет назад
+Kraaken Hex Obviously you didn't watch to the end, it was sponsored by Dropbox... :)
@kraakenhex8459
@kraakenhex8459 8 лет назад
Ah, no I didn't then. But this one was right at the beginning.
@IaMSpeaks
@IaMSpeaks 8 лет назад
Dumbledore is Gay, Ron is not. Case closed. 😂😂😂😂
@cmckee42
@cmckee42 8 лет назад
+I aM if you are able to reject JK Rowlings statement that the theory is incorrect, you are similarly able to reject her statement about the headmasters sexuality, so unless you regard every word from the author's lips as Canon, case not closed.
@alangebhardt8286
@alangebhardt8286 8 лет назад
+I aM and apparently bisexuality does not exist in your world
@GilTheDragon
@GilTheDragon 8 лет назад
+I aM Though sexuality can be fluid along an individual's life... Though the theory is (to me) pretty... nope. I mean it doesn't explain Dumbledore's WW2 (mis)adventures and (implied) romance with Grindelwald Maybe Ron acting as test subject for Herm's time turner experiments gets sent back in time and must then preserve history?
@IaMSpeaks
@IaMSpeaks 8 лет назад
Christopher McKee I'm okay with her statement defining the theory as incorrect. 😂😂😂 I didn't say it wasn't.
@IaMSpeaks
@IaMSpeaks 8 лет назад
Alan Gebhardt I don't know where you got that idea from when you don't even know me. I didn't say that bisexuality is non existent. And even if Ron was bisexual he wouldn't be Dumbledore because Dumbledore is GAY. I'm Queer FYI
@things4you540
@things4you540 7 лет назад
But ron marry's hermione... And dumbledore is gay
@ultimate_paradise186
@ultimate_paradise186 7 лет назад
Things4You Ron did sleep with Peter pettigrew for a couple of years
@things4you540
@things4you540 7 лет назад
Ultimate_Paradise good point...
@lizzieelsenpeter7256
@lizzieelsenpeter7256 6 лет назад
Ultimate_paradise another problem with that is he had absolutely no clue he was sleeping with a fully grown man
@beepboop3529
@beepboop3529 6 лет назад
But Ron didn't know he was sleeping with a man, if this theory was true I would guess that Ron is bisexual. Who knows maybe he even had a crush on Krum
@audiotinker
@audiotinker 7 лет назад
Dumbledore is gay. Ron is not. Theory busted lol.
@MagicHamsta
@MagicHamsta 7 лет назад
Well Ron did sleep with Peter Pettigrew for several years...
@ericchips9314
@ericchips9314 5 лет назад
I dunno, the way Ron hugged Slughorn though..... calling him "Darling" LOL
@sdagoth3037
@sdagoth3037 5 лет назад
Dumbledore's sexual orientation is not mentioned in the books or movies, whereas the evidence for the "Ron is Dumbledore" theory does exist in the books, so the evidence is canon in a way Dumbledore being gay is not. If Rowling wanted Dumbledore to be gay, she should have had the guts to include that tidbit in the books, but she didn't. Dumbledore being Ron is more interesting anyway.
@vince1987
@vince1987 5 лет назад
Ron is gay
@edjoultz9678
@edjoultz9678 5 лет назад
@@sdagoth3037 in crimes of grindlewald he is clearly gay.
@suburiboy
@suburiboy 8 лет назад
I don't like the idea of fan theories being used to assume authority over the actual story, like you mention around 7:30. In my experience, the vast majority of fan theories around are not ones that fans want to be "true". Rather, coming up with a theory is a Gedankenexperiment, where the goal is to probe the logics and internal workings of a piece of fiction by inserting a knowingly ridiculous assumption. Fan theories are an act of discovery, not an act of power.
@Noah-fn5jq
@Noah-fn5jq 8 лет назад
+Jacob Mccann I think it's more of an act of ownership and creation than anything. It's evolving a story past the "end point" of the story. In a way they are giving it life again. Sometimes it also adds a bizarre highly thought out dimension to the universe that corrects many of the problems that were created by the author and as such making it more consistent and plausible for the fans.
@suburiboy
@suburiboy 8 лет назад
+noah schaefferkoetter IDK. I mean. I'm not sure that most writers thing that their fan fictions and theories 'correct' the existing narrative. I think there is a difference between wanting to imagine that Ron is Dumbledore and wanting Ron to actually be Dumbledore. but i could be wrong.
@Noah-fn5jq
@Noah-fn5jq 8 лет назад
***** As for the Ron is Dumbledore... this one has been put to bed on the 6th book.. too many contradictions. It was CREATED after the 5th though, and during that time it was pretty good. It was creating (in my mind) a universe that paralleled the source material. If some fan liked that interpretation better than the actual story, they could have chosen to ignore the 6th book as "the artificial story" (although that would be ludicrous). My point is that the audience decides which story they are going to like. This is why so many people hate bad endings... they feel betrayed by the source and they know they cannot create ANY scenario where it can be fixed. That's why so many people jump on fan theories that give a new aspect to the story... it gives hope and meaning to any inconsistencies or straight bad story telling in an otherwise enjoyable work.
@HeatherFeatherASMR
@HeatherFeatherASMR 8 лет назад
MIKE MIKE MIKE you showed The Point at 7:03! I thought I was the only person in the world who knew that movie! I used to watch it all the time when I was little! You just happy nostalgia slapped me in the face!
@WobblyBits_X
@WobblyBits_X 8 лет назад
+Heather Feather ASMR Was also going to say this XD. Grew up with it and I'm only 25.
@Nevir202
@Nevir202 8 лет назад
+Heather Feather ASMR Hahaha what are the odds that I stumble across your comment in this part of RU-vid? BTW I only saw that movie a few times, but it was great. I can't sing it any more but there's the song in it, "Me and my Arrow..." or something like that. :-D
@sevgadagenty9229
@sevgadagenty9229 8 лет назад
You have got to do one on undertale and how it changes people's perspective of killing in video games.
@creepspicious3964
@creepspicious3964 8 лет назад
+Sevga Dagenty YES!
@zorlock6037
@zorlock6037 8 лет назад
+Sevga Dagenty I think that's more of Game/Show's territory.
@Giraffemy
@Giraffemy 8 лет назад
+Sevga Dagenty So action/adventure games carry the assumption: success = killing baddies, but undertale subverts that. So the episodes idea could be: Do some games guide you to a certain insight, and is that manipulation acceptable? I mean in a game you can subject a person to stimulus response conditioning, positive and negative reinforcement. Could that mean that sometimes 'winning the game' means at least temporarily adopting the game-designers world-view.
@Giraffemy
@Giraffemy 8 лет назад
+Zorlock They could do another cross-over episode?
@CaptainMonkeyFez
@CaptainMonkeyFez 8 лет назад
Undertale taught me that killing the characters that I've grown emotionally attached to is heartbreaking at first, but then it's fun. :D
@Chouetterargentee
@Chouetterargentee 8 лет назад
Maybe I'm wrong, but to me, this is the difference between a theory and a headcanon. At least when I use those words, a theory is something that I think is actually true about the canon, while a headcanon is an idea I enjoy pretending is true. Whether or not truth depends on the work by itself or the author's intentions is a seemingly endless debate, but I choose to consider Rowling's comments as part of the canon because for me it's more fun that way. This seems like a debate over semantics more than anything else, really.
@fearus951
@fearus951 8 лет назад
no dumbledore was brilliant in school, we all know ron is not.
@kevinkchao8
@kevinkchao8 7 лет назад
Ron got exceeds expectations in defense against dark arts and outstanding on the others tf you talking about.
@fearus951
@fearus951 7 лет назад
It was all because of hermione and Harry, plus someone who is brilliant doesn't get a second best grade.
@roberterlandson8234
@roberterlandson8234 7 лет назад
kevin niang ron is actually a very good wizard but not the best student
@MetaITurtle
@MetaITurtle 6 лет назад
Wouldn't Rons family still be alive and old if Dumbledore was him? This theory would of been more solid if Dumbledore mentioned his brother was a twin.
@namehere7309
@namehere7309 3 года назад
@@kevinkchao8 He had no outstanding. Proof: The books.
@Genderkaiser
@Genderkaiser 8 лет назад
I'd have thought that everyone had agreed that this fan theory no longer held any water after Dumbledore's childhood was detailed and used as a posthumous character motivation in the final book.
@RACH5188
@RACH5188 8 лет назад
"I'm in a hotel room! Tell us what you think in the comments!" I think it's great that you're in a hotel room. Looks fancy. Are you there for a fun event?
@chesseswar
@chesseswar 8 лет назад
This channel is becoming (Game Theory + Film Theory)/2. Something I am not opposed to.
@Delahunta
@Delahunta 8 лет назад
Does anyone know what the clip of the white boy walking next to a purple thing is at 7:04
@Shidan174
@Shidan174 8 лет назад
Can someone please tell me what the poster on the far left, on the same level as his head, is of? It's familiar, but I can't place it. And I just spent 45 minutes trying decypher the text to no avail.
@heyllo1337
@heyllo1337 8 лет назад
Hermione = McGonagall just to keep dumbleron from mucking things up because timewimey
@DanThePropMan
@DanThePropMan 8 лет назад
I keep coming back to two thoughts about authorial intent. First, I more or less agree with John Green's take on the matter, which is that "books belong to their readers"--BUT it is still entirely possible to interpret a work incorrectly. As he put it, "If you think 'Huckleberry Finn' is a pro-slavery novel, you're wrong.'" Second, am I expected to believe that if J.K. Rowling tweets a fact about the "Harry Potter" universe, it may or may not matter, but if she were to publish a short story about *that very same fact*, suddenly that would be canon? I'm not quite sure how this relates to authors striking down fan theories, nor how I feel about that, but for some reason that dichotomy just doesn't sit right with me.
@FieryPotato
@FieryPotato 8 лет назад
On the subject of an author writing and publishing a short story just to establish a small fact as canon, I think that's completely disingenuous. In a series characterized by having an all-encompassing world described in detail in novels, and thematic reference material, having such a petty work published isn't the kind of thing I or anyone can reasonably expect Rowling to do. If, however, she published a "Collection of Hogwarts Tales" which contained a bunch of short stories about Hogwarts and it included this or that fact, it would change the context of the fact. Instead of being a lone tweet, it's become part of the world of Harry Potter and in so doing make it canon. Tweeting from the position of author to correct an interpretation that you think is wrong without evidence in the canon is as convincing as tweeting from the position of any other person on the internet.
@Noah-fn5jq
@Noah-fn5jq 8 лет назад
+DanThePropMan Consider the following: I get JK's phone and tweet "the prophecy was actually about Draco... who by the way is a vampire." This now has JK's authority because it was sent in her name. Does that make it equivalent to cannon? None of her followers would know it wasn't her. So for at least the moment... by your augment I changed the HP universe for EVERYONE. It makes more sense that if it is not written consistently within the context of the story's universe, it's only a fan theory... even if the author writes it. In fact I would go as far as to say that any additional book would be fan theory that just builds on the original story. We just like it more when it is written by the same author.
@DanThePropMan
@DanThePropMan 8 лет назад
noah schaefferkoetter That's interesting. I'll point out that I never actually stated a firm position, but that's a very interesting angle and one I hadn't considered.
@Noah-fn5jq
@Noah-fn5jq 8 лет назад
DanThePropMan My apologies... I was a bit to aggressive with my writing. I am glad that I introduce a new idea though :)
@deborahhershey4969
@deborahhershey4969 8 лет назад
Personally, I think one of the best things about fan theories is that in the end, it doesn't truly matter whether or not it's correct. Especially if the series or updates to the canon of the story are done. You see, the magic of making theories about characters in any fandom, is that generally, there is no one to say you're right or wrong. It allows fans to go on diatribes about how Ron is obviously Dumbledore for reasons A-Z and since the only thing that is and can support the theory is the little nuances of canon; it works. Either your post or series of posts about the theory work together to convince people, or it just stays your own head canon. However, in series where the content is being updated, it's fascinating seeing how the authors and writers respond to the fan theories through their updates to canon. Actually, what's even better, is the kind of super vague fore-shadowing on the part of the author that makes the theory seem only semi-plausible, before later being confirmed through an update to canon. Perfect example of this is the fan theory that was developed on Tumblr about the character Stan Pines from the TV show Gravity falls. *MAJOR SPOILERS FROM HERE ON* The theory was, that from background scenes in the early episodes in the cartoon, Stanford Pines had a twin brother named Stanley Pines. The theory was started and developed in the infancy of the cartoon, maybe only a year or less after the start of the 1st season. Time passed an the theory was slowly gaining a following, but overall, was kept on the back burner. Then about 6 months ago or so, Season 2 Episode 11 came out and confirmed the fan theory beyond a shadow of a doubt. However, up until that point, there had been no word confirming, nor denying, that the theory had any merit from the show's creators, despite them keeping up semi-regular dialogue with the fans. *SPOILERS DONE* Anyways, I guess it all just boils down to how you enjoy your theories: Something to speculate on, but no word for or against from the creator of the canon; or something that you want to find out if it's true, and your research is fruitful, or completely null. I personally enjoy the first option myself, but I'm also in canon dead fandoms for the most part; fandoms where the canon has not been updated in awhile nor will it ever be. So active theories that could be proven are for the most part, not even applicable. -probably why I like the gf fandom so much cause it's active and the updates are coming regularly- P.S. Thanks for sticking around for this. I don't comment on these much, but since I like this topic thought I'd get my "thoughts on paper".
@AkujiMalice
@AkujiMalice 8 лет назад
As a writer: The concept of a story branches out significantly from the point of public consumption. As soon as a second person has received an explanation of the story via reading it or being told about its elements, there are now two stories. The "true" or "original" is still very much with the author, but a new story has begun through interpretation. Ron is Dumbledore in the story that exists within the people who buy into that theory. The original which only J.K.R. has, does not involve that fact. The story may change after it's been published. Rowling may one day decide that her preferred couple is how the story really went and then the books themselves are "incorrect" to that, but since we're working with ideas the concept of original and true are very.... very much missing the point. Are you a fan of batman? Do you think he's a selfless hero? Then he is. Batman as told in the story another person has might be that he's a violent psychopath with delusions of grandeur. That's equally valid. Word of God could come out and say it was all in a coma and that would be technically true, but for those who refuse to acknowledge it, their batman remains a deeply troubled man trying to correct the mistakes of his youth by re-imagining his past.
@SweeneySays
@SweeneySays 8 лет назад
"I see them as the audience assuming authority, unconcerned with what the powers that be have to say." YES. The authorial no-explanation assertion that the theory is FALSE does not play within the operating logic of fan theories. It is, of course, her prerogative to assert whatever she likes, but it seems wholly irrelevant to me, because fan theories are about exploring and negotiating the parameters of a fictional universe. If Rowling were to assert that the theory can't be true because of X, Y, and Z examples from canon, that might interest me, but only insofar as those claim would interest me if articulated by anyone. Because navigating the myriad of given and open-ended truths of a fictional universe is what fan theory is. The whole point is to take some measure of intellectual ownership over a sort of thought experiment playground. So authorial intent is great, but mostly irrelevant. In engaging with a Harry Potter fan theory, I am really only interested what Rowling has written in the seven published novels -- less so with what she's posted on Twitter.
@koopakape
@koopakape 8 лет назад
"Authorial intent", or *Word of God* as it's often known in ... well, any conversation about it I've personally ever had, absolutely has to be the pinnacle of canon when it comes to that creator's works. Not only with books and such things created solely by the one party, but even shows, movies and such where the writers or directors have something to say about a theory or expanded canon idea or whatever (so long as two people involved, in such a situation, don't disagree with one another, then I'd say it's a whole different story). Basically, if we, as fans, believe *anything* about the work in question from an in-universe standpoint, then who are we to argue with further information from the very mind that created that work? If you don't believe Rowling saying Ron =/= Dumbledore or that Dumbledore is gay or anything else to that effect, then it seems very odd that you would even believe any other fact or occurrence from the books at all such that you could even form such a theory to begin with. If this one thing Rowling said about the canon isn't true, then who's to say Hogwarts even exists? Who's to say magic as we know it in-universe isn't some kind of weird massive collective hallucination between a bunch of "particularly gifted individuals"? Who's to say Harry isn't actually a 48-year-old Icelandic woman having dreams that she's a young male wizard? Of course, crackpot theories like that and much weirder are certainly free for anyone to come up with and share and have fun with if they'd like to, but basically if you don't believe the author's direct word on any given topic about the canon then why do you believe any of the canon to begin with?
@MarshmallowRadiation
@MarshmallowRadiation 8 лет назад
I think the interplay between fan theories and authorial intent is often interesting. Similar to this is the Blade Runner "Replicant Theory," which states that Harrison Ford's character Deckard was in fact a replicant himself. Ridley Scott said that he intended for Deckard's identity as a replicant to be heavily implied, but Harrison Ford said that he was definitely human. It was also revealed that early drafts of the script originally ended with Deckard discovering that he was a replicant, but those endings were deemed too complex for audiences and were edited out. Also, this strays far from the original work (Phillip K. Dick's "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?"), in which Deckard is almost definitely human, and the movie does not stray too far from the source material in any other [major] way.
@AspelShuyin
@AspelShuyin 8 лет назад
On the subject of explaining magic with magic, that reminds me of Sanderson's First Law: "An author's ability to solve conflict satisfactorily with magic is directly proportional to how well the reader understands said magic."
@roberterlandson8234
@roberterlandson8234 7 лет назад
it upsets me when people act like Ron is dumb & had to rely completely on Harry & Hermione, truth is only Hermione was actually brilliant Harry is only slightly better than Ron when it comes to school & Ron was a lot smarter than we actually get to see because he is so unsure of himself & disinterested in schoolwork
@roberterlandson8234
@roberterlandson8234 7 лет назад
Katie Katie Ron isn't gay that & has a big family that kind of blows a hole in this theory
@bhunigale
@bhunigale 7 лет назад
Robert Erlandson
@nolanthiessen1073
@nolanthiessen1073 8 лет назад
Ron the most lovable ginger? Bah! He's the least lovable of all the Weasleys.
@liljagsa
@liljagsa 8 лет назад
+Nolan Thiessen Um, Percy?
@polyvinylfilmz
@polyvinylfilmz 8 лет назад
+Nolan Thiessen PERCY IGNATIUS WEASLEY
@nolanthiessen1073
@nolanthiessen1073 8 лет назад
+ThatColossalWreck You got me there. I always forget about Percy...
@polyvinylfilmz
@polyvinylfilmz 8 лет назад
Nolan Thiessen As is perfectly right and proper
@McC0n0r
@McC0n0r 8 лет назад
+Polyvinyl Films So in other words, Pat is the most lovable ginger. Even if he's a cheater...
@CasualObsession
@CasualObsession 8 лет назад
As a writer myself, I go much further than many of my colleagues on authorship. I don't believe that there is any gravitas to an author's position on particular readings of a book. Once the work of fiction is complete, the author becomes merely another reader, and the story takes on a life of its own. I've had readers interpret my stories in ways that I never intended, but they were profound in a way that I would never have imagined. Allowing fiction to progress in that way makes it possible for a piece of fiction to become greater than it's author, which is amazing and beautiful.
@TheLukeskywalker2
@TheLukeskywalker2 8 лет назад
John Green also has a good quote on the topic: "Books belong to their readers."
@DrewHeyen
@DrewHeyen 7 лет назад
All fictional narratives are equally valid, as they are equally fictional. There is no point in looking for some corporeal truth in something which is not corporeal. Thus all fan theories are equally valid. Even equal to the original work, itself, or any beliefs which the original author has concerning them. This, OF COURSE, does not address the very real world subjects of Copyright, Intellectual Property, and Plagiarism. Those are a very different subject, entirely. People seek, in general, authorial validation for the same reasons that people ever seek validation. We are hard wired to want validation and support.
@vakusdrake3224
@vakusdrake3224 8 лет назад
+1 for Primer reference, also if you did primer in a video, I would be just so thrilled.
@sharondarrow5053
@sharondarrow5053 8 лет назад
Part of Fan theories is that authors tend to write things that can be subliminally explained by plots they wrote, even if they believe they have other reasons. Take the Dursleys for example. Rowling has said on record she hates them, and more specifically Lilly, but to be honest I have a hard time believing Lily would abuse her nephew if she loved her sister. I believe the theory that Harry being a Horcrux left the Dursleys defenseless and overly aggressive and angry toward Harry. Plus Harry is a character that Rowling loves, so she will take his side in hating them. As for Ron being Dumbledore, I believe Dumbledore sees a lot of himself in Ron. Harry Potter can be pretty dense sometimes, and doesn't notice things he should. Ron on the other hand tended to be slightly more intuitive when something actually caught his interest. He wasn't book smart, but definitely more practical.
@Seomus
@Seomus 8 лет назад
+Sharon Darrow I think you should read the first chapter of book 1 again. It's almost entirely from Mr. Weasly's point of view and shows that they were that unplesant before Harry arrived. Bitter jealousy can destroy love. That's the explanation of what happened with Petunia (I think that's who you meant when you wrote Lily)
@Repicheep22
@Repicheep22 8 лет назад
One interesting example of this comes from the first run of Lego's BIONICLE toy line, but sort of the inverse of the Rowling example in the episode, with a fan suggesting something and the author replying, "Sure, why not?" Short background: BIONICLE featured several teams of heroes called Toa, each sporting different elemental powers and wearing Masks that granted them other minor powers, while fighting various evil creatures and searching for ways to revive their dead deity, Mata Nui. A previously unnamed team of heroes, with mostly unnamed members, was used to explain a bizarre similarity in names. A volcano that housed the fire village and the Big Bad's lair were called Mangai and Mangaia, respectively. A fan had the idea that the aforementioned team be called the Toa Mangai, Mangai meaning protector, with the volcano being named after them. Mangaia would then be an archaic version of the same word, the lair being named that before the Big Bad's Face-Heel Turn. This in turn led to many of the main island's locations being retconned into the names of fallen friends of the village leaders. Another example would be a group of villains called the Piraka used turrets called Nektann, and when another member of their race showed up in a story, a fan suggested "Hey, maybe the turrets were named after him?" The writer was like, "Okay", and wrote the newly-christened Nektann into a web story to make it official. A couple years later, it was promoted to the toyline when Lego made a new Piraka toy that didn't match any of the existing characters, so it was decided that it would be Nektann.
@Bunnychan69
@Bunnychan69 8 лет назад
if the author doesnt have final say on what is true then no one should
@lewisgrace3596
@lewisgrace3596 8 лет назад
As much as fan theories are interesting...fancy tackling something a bit bigger?
@lewisgrace3596
@lewisgrace3596 8 лет назад
+Lewis Grace This just seems like a video to create nerdgasm, rather than thoughts/ideas.
@003dylan
@003dylan 8 лет назад
+Lewis Grace An authors authority to make claims after the fact when discussing fan theories regarding their work is very thought provoking, but I guess not everyone will get it.
@Satisfyedeyes
@Satisfyedeyes 8 лет назад
+Lewis Grace I think the first part (the Dumbledore-Ron theory) is a bit that way but if you watch til the end it becomes an interesting discussion about authorial intent, which is a discussion that has been going on for years, of course. But he brings up a new idea (relatively speaking) of authors' ability to comment on their work after its publication. This is an incredibly new phenomenon with the introduction of new media and it raises tons of interesting questions. It allows authors to potentially add to the canon after their work is published (which seems to change the meaning of canon). Not only can they state their intent (which has been done occasionally pre-new media) but they can rewrite, confirm, deny, add-on. Is Dumbledore gay because Rowling said so or because there is subtext in the book that suggests this? Is the relationship between Hermione and Ron invalid now that Rowling has stated she didn't want them to end up together? She even seems to take fan theories that were not originally hers perhaps (Dumbledore being death) and claims them as canon. This is interesting and important! This is a huge part of interpreting literature and reading critically!
@lewisgrace3596
@lewisgrace3596 8 лет назад
003dylan Yeah I know just similar things have been tackled by previous videos, and most fan theory is bs anyway.
@RobertPendell
@RobertPendell 7 лет назад
3:12 Where is the source?
@ChaosWolf1982
@ChaosWolf1982 8 лет назад
Ronbledore?
@VampireAvianhybrid1
@VampireAvianhybrid1 8 лет назад
dumbleon
@remyllebeau77
@remyllebeau77 8 лет назад
+ChaosWolf1982 Romblesedore
@Satisfyedeyes
@Satisfyedeyes 8 лет назад
+ChaosWolf1982 Rumbleroar
@GuilhermeCarvalhoComposer
@GuilhermeCarvalhoComposer 8 лет назад
+ChaosWolf1982 Ronbus Weasleydore. And his bro, Albon Dumbley.
@kimvance7817
@kimvance7817 8 лет назад
In regards to authorial power, I think it tends to be disregarded that authors create the worlds in which they write, and that as one of the best world-builders in fantasy, I think Jo should be allowed to say no to the more ridiculous fan theories like this one
@Noah-fn5jq
@Noah-fn5jq 8 лет назад
+Kim Vance She did by writing the 6th and 7th book, there are too many inconsistencies. Her tweets didn't put it to bed... the books did.
@kimvance7817
@kimvance7817 8 лет назад
noah schaefferkoetter also very true
@MariChambers
@MariChambers 8 лет назад
Ron being Dumbledore would create a time loop
@mattwallace9779
@mattwallace9779 7 лет назад
Dumbledore hates pussy though
@LucianoThePig
@LucianoThePig 8 лет назад
are we ever gonna get get ideas instead of fan theories ever again?
@Maxusxavier
@Maxusxavier 8 лет назад
+LucianoThePig fan theories are ideas and this video was not specifically a fan theory but an idea on the nature of fan theories
@seanrea550
@seanrea550 8 лет назад
+MaxusXavier it was also on the concept of an authors authority and where it applies to a fan theory.
@Maxusxavier
@Maxusxavier 8 лет назад
i was responding to a single sentence of thde video i guess i should have stated that
@Maxusxavier
@Maxusxavier 8 лет назад
+MaxusXavier nvmd thought this was a response to a different comment nvmd
@Sussy_Bottom_Boys
@Sussy_Bottom_Boys 8 лет назад
It feels like disrespect, making a theory about a story, or world, and then disregarding an author's comment. It's their world, they are the sole arbiter of what is correct in their world, that's why THEY wrote it. Of course that all changes with stories written by multiple people, but that's a different story all together.
@Satisfyedeyes
@Satisfyedeyes 8 лет назад
+Jeffrey Ambs Yeah, but in the world of literary criticism it is usually argued that a literary text takes on a life of its own, that a more valuable and useful reading arises not by trying to guess what the author was thinking but by instead creating an interpretation. Hemingway once said "books should be judged by those who read them - not explained by the writer." And John Green puts it "books belong to their readers." We are creating the story and we, the audience, give it salience. Also if we're going to romanticize it and say this world actually exists then it can easily be argued that the author doesn't always know what is correct. Just because they created the world doesn't mean they know everything that happens in it. Many fantasy writers would say the world takes on a life of its own and characters continue even when the book stops. Everything they think happens after a novel ends is just as much speculation as the audience.
@Sussy_Bottom_Boys
@Sussy_Bottom_Boys 8 лет назад
Satisfyedeyes I see what your saying, however I feel that creating the world in the first place does give the author the final say. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's probably best if authors don't comment on fan theories one way or the other. Fan theories are fine, you can imagine whatever you want about a pre-existing literary world, connect whatever dots you want. But when an author comments on it, it's final, because these places and people originated from the mind of the author, they understand them the best, and they have the last word on what goes on in their world. The audience is the audience, not the creator. They can speculate and create their own thing, but what they create is theirs. To me, if I wrote a story and a group of people after reading it started coming to their own conclusions and saying that my input didn't matter, I'd feel robbed.
@89taklung
@89taklung 8 лет назад
+Jeffrey Ambs yes and no. While the authors innitially created the world it does need the reader to be realized. without the audiences reading and imagination the word will have no meaning at all so stating that the author has the sole right to define the world is ridiculous. After all for every reader the characters will look different, the rooms will look and feel differently and of course everyone fills the blanks and thus add to the world the author offers. Thus fan theories enrich the given univers (to use some other word than world) and make it their own.
@carsonarnegard6255
@carsonarnegard6255 4 года назад
Does this theory even simple graze the realm of possibility. I would say not, in truth it goes leagues beyond just a possibility. I have found through my doctorate degree in Potterology from the Vanlooten institute at Munster, is that this is no theory, but the only logical way to understand the happenings of Harry Potter. If you disagree then you are a fake fan, and not a very educated one at that. I give Rowling's moronic comments no credence here, as she clearly has no idea what she is talking about, the way she that she does not acknowledge the FACT the Ron is Dumbledore proves what I have long suspected through my studies: that she has in fact never read any books in the Harry Potter series. So why any of us still listen to her is well beyond me.
@maddiedresen720
@maddiedresen720 4 года назад
Wow! I had never even considered the possibility that Ron is Dumbledore. I, like all Potterheads, was indeed aware that Joanne Rowling has never read the Harry Potter series. Therefore I have never considered her comments trustworthy. However, as I have yet to obtain my Potterology degree I do still struggle to understand all of the various dimensions of the Harry Potter universe. Some of my questions about the theory include: how is ron dumbledore if ron is a ginger and dumbledore has grey hair? Also who is this Harry Potter fellow and how does he relate to the series? Just some simple Potterhead in training questions! Thank you, dearly. And as I trust Maggie Atchley with my entire life, I would like to reiterate that Joanne Rowling can suck my dick as well.
@jacksonblackman1452
@jacksonblackman1452 4 года назад
Personally, since I was not accepted into Vanlooten Institute, I have absolutely no knowledge of this ‘Harry Potter’. But, I personally think the Public Broadcasting System has some very poor ideas for an idea channel. This does not make any sense. We all know that Ron Weasley was murdered providing Munchhausen by Proxy to her daughter, Gypsy Rose Blanchard. So there is no way that he is Dumbledore. Feel free to ask my institute of learning, University of Gypsy.
@maddiehammon4263
@maddiehammon4263 4 года назад
I agree with the afore mentioned comments and would also like to address the obvious additional data that supports this "theory"(fact). This being of course the inordinate amount of sexual tension displayed between Hermione and Dumbledore ie Hermione and Ron, which makes sense considering they end up marrying one another and having kids. Where's the proof you ask? Here is a quote I have obtained from one of the books: "Damn, Hermione is hot as shit. Can't believe I get to tap that fine ass."--Dumbledore I would also like to add that Joanne, of course, can suck my dick.
@EliasLopesSalmoria
@EliasLopesSalmoria 8 лет назад
Explaining how Dumbledore seems to know about everything before hand: He lives his life normally, finds out something that would be useful for him to know in advance, uses a Time-Turner to deliver a note to his past self.
@sebastiansantamaria3768
@sebastiansantamaria3768 8 лет назад
Hey! I know this has nothing to do with the content of the video, but could you publish the episode transcriptions? As much as I like the vlogging format, sometimes things slip through the cracks of my ability to concentrate on either the script or the accompanying images and GIFs. Or just to be able to give the ideas themselves a deeper, more comprehensive thought.
@badlydrawnturtle8484
@badlydrawnturtle8484 8 лет назад
Basically, we have three types of canon for a story: Official canon, fanon, and headcanon. Official canon consists of the official works, combined with the amendments, additions, and modifications of the author's word. Headcanon is a personal interpretation of the story which mostly conforms to the official canon but has amendments, additions, and modifications from that reader/watcher/player which can go above and beyond, and even conflict with, the official canon. Fanon is a collective headcanon, where many fans, either through communication or on their own, reach the same interpretation that goes above and beyond, or even conflicts with, the official canon. Some people worship the official canon so much that they cannot enjoy a fan hypothesis (I refuse to misuse the word theory like that) unless it is, or they at least believe it to be, official canon. Those of us who are more comfortable playing around with fanon and headcanon do not strive for the author's grace.
@pugfugly1989
@pugfugly1989 8 лет назад
As far as theories go, I like to consider myself the author at that point, so "because I say so" is basically how the original author made their universe work in the first place.
@frederickrellom9419
@frederickrellom9419 8 лет назад
An audience member can love a song for misheard lyrics. The re-interpretation is still their relationship to the "art", regardless of authorial intent labelling it a "mis-interpretation". But the re-interpretation doesn't mean that the audience member wrote the source either. Nor does that make the artwork communal property and the "artist is dead" by proxy.
@SStyle5
@SStyle5 8 лет назад
Anybody that says that fan theories hold more weight than the author has an ego problem. It's basically saying that, "I know better of the author's works than the author himself." Pure egotism.
@AndrewMeyer
@AndrewMeyer 8 лет назад
One more thought. I think it's important to make a distinction between fan theories, and headcanon. Theories are indeed concerned with being "true", whereas headcanon isn't. Whether a piece of headcanon is "true" or not can influence whether you choose to adopt it as your own, it isn't necessary for a headcanon to be canonically true or not in order for you to adopt it as your own.
@grausammesser
@grausammesser 8 лет назад
I think it's important to note that the HP world gives an example of how time travel works in that time is 100% pre-determined. It contains events where future selves cause past selves to take certain actions. Meaning you are (to borrow QM terminology) temporally-entangled with your future decision - there is no state where you traveled back in time and not end up exactly where you are when you are deciding to go back in time. Paradoxes simply don't exist. Therefore, if Ron were to travel back in time to become Dumbledore, he would have complete knowledge of what he will do (at least in certain events) and has no way of stopping it because by deciding to travel back in time he has locked thing in place - essentially creating (to borrow DW terminology) fixed points in time. It would explain how and why Dumbledore is basically a deity in the HP world. Now as for authorial intent and it's place in fan theories, I personally think it is good for the overall environment of fan theories when an author confirms, denies, or conspicuously does not comment on some theory. I would argue that canon plot is the foundation that all fan theories are built on (whether ignoring it or not is up to one's preference). One of the fun aspects of fan theory is coming up with ideas that fit the canon. When an author rejects a fan theory that based on everything up to that point fits canon, that means you now have new canon for new theories to be based on. Sure the theory now moves on to the non-canon world, but by being wrong it gives more information.
@FlipzMCL
@FlipzMCL 8 лет назад
I think the big key of authorial intent is that any producer of art, whether the original creator or a later interpreter, can only present us with their specific vision of that work of art. We as the audience then form our own vision of that work of art as we observe it, and it's up to us to decide whether or not our vision will align with that of the author. When we create and share fan theories, we're merely expressing our vision of the work of art just as the previous author did before us, and the people we're sharing them with then have the exact same choice we did of deciding whether or not their vision of that work of art aligns with the one we have created. This includes the original creator him/herself, who can then either choose to amend their own vision to include ours or instead reject it. While statistically more people are going to align their visions of the work with that of the original author than with anyone else, that number is in fact determined by who the author is and how much respect the audience has for said author; regardless, the number of people believing in our own fan theories or not is only important insofar as how much of an influence that peer pressure has on whether or not we decide to maintain our own vision of the work in question.
@mr.christophersmiles4703
@mr.christophersmiles4703 8 лет назад
i've discovered this channel last night, and it is now my favorite. i love how it gets my brain thinking and opening my mind to new ideas. thank you thus far.
@imenz93
@imenz93 8 лет назад
I feel like Tolkien's quote fits in here when talking about "author magic" “I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history - true or feigned- with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.”
@Bertisokay
@Bertisokay 8 лет назад
I just want to know how many times Mike said, "Don is Rumbledore" in the out takes.
@BrienMalone
@BrienMalone 8 лет назад
An author is a gardener. They plant seeds that germinate. They cultivate and nurture. They prune. They graft. Once the stories reach maturity, author gardeners sell their plants to readers who take them home and plant them in their own gardens. This metaphor starts well but fails spectacularly at this point... because the plant the reader receives isn't always the exact one the author grew. The author (or copyright holder and keeper of canon) can make reader grafts grow or wither. The reader an grow fruit only they (or a few) can see and enjoy. Are Ron and Dumbledore the same? That wasn't on the plant we received, but grow it in your garden and enjoy!
@jillpigott7959
@jillpigott7959 8 лет назад
I remember one of my professors emphasising the point that art requires an audience. If the author had a clear, singular message that they didn't want mis-interpretted, they shouldn't have written a novel.
@aniksamiurrahman6365
@aniksamiurrahman6365 7 лет назад
You know man, Ron being Dumbledore pushes the limit of HP fan theory. Those two differs in their personality sooo much.
@AkaBigWurm77
@AkaBigWurm77 8 лет назад
I think it makes a difference if the work is still in progress, Its fair for Authors to comment on theories about their work if it is still in progress. It keeps the fans involved and lets them know the author is listing.
@maplebob23
@maplebob23 8 лет назад
I might have never have given this theory a second thought until I saw Interstellar. Now, I not only think that Ron is Dumbledore ( who's name literally means 'I am Ron' backwards) but that Dumbledore is also Matthew McConaughey! And that all three are actually the Big Bang!
@chrisnotaperson8127
@chrisnotaperson8127 8 лет назад
If the time line updates constantly and automatically then Dumbledore would both be learning of altered events as they happen but also have a lifetime to prepare for them. Ron who goes on to become Dumbledore will remember everything that has happened up until he goes back by the time he goes back and so as Dumbledore's influence changes events he will actively have the whole time between his Ron presence and his Dumbledore presence to prepare to encounter those changes as Dumbledore. This means that Ron gets to spend however much time between his Ron state and Dumbledore state as there is between them, thinking and planning in preparation for how his Dumbledore state would best react to these changes. It's like quantum computing because he can react almost instantly while also spending a vast amount of virtual time pondering.
@Trueknightofblades
@Trueknightofblades 8 лет назад
Authorial intent gets shelved in the realm of Fanfiction, which is where fan theories are able to fourish best, because the new author is now the author, and they are the one theorizing a what-if scenario, in a version of that world where they can build the groundwork to make the theory work.
@SSmotzer
@SSmotzer 8 лет назад
What if old Ron used the time tuner, but instead of sending him as a whole, the turner scattered old Ron into pieces, into other people in his past. His memories and some personality quarks to Dumbledore, "luck" to his younger self, love to Herminie, etc. Like the Terminator effect, it had to happen for the story to function, so there is never a time when Ron didn't travel back in time.
@ince55ant
@ince55ant 8 лет назад
I want a magic themed wrestler called Rumbledore
@NerdySatyr
@NerdySatyr 8 лет назад
omg that ProJared gif... I lost it
@lindasek1206
@lindasek1206 8 лет назад
I remember reading years ago fanfiction where Harry was actually Dumbledore - kind of. If memory serves, he traveled backwards to before Riddle's youth, real Dumbledore died of stroke, and he took his place (using magic to make himself look like the old bumblebee), couldn't kill or change anything in the past on the off chance he wouldn't be born (butterfly effect?) and wrote a whole bunch of diaries so the present day (???) Harry would know when to travel into the past (infinite loop?). It made total sense to the teenage me, haha!
@cometmoon4485
@cometmoon4485 8 лет назад
This theory would explain why Dumbledore left Ron the magic Delluminator that leads him back to his friends, because it implies that Dumbledore remembers how rash and stubborn he was when he was younger, and so had to provide a safeguard for when his younger self would eventually abandon the cause.
@randomgirll3123
@randomgirll3123 8 лет назад
I think the wonderful part of fan theories is that it doesn't matter if they are perfectly cannon. People are still going to believe whatever theories they want to. And I feel like it's a branching of a million different paths. Some people see Dumbledore and Ron as the same person. Some don't. Some see Dumbledore as Death. Some don't. Every single person has a different interaction with the cannon and it gives fans a reason to go out and see if other people had the same experience as they did. I hate when creators deny theories because it kills a part of the universe that existed for the people who believed the theory. I feel that once you let your story into the world you have to allow your fans to take it in whatever way they see it. I also find on going fan theories really interesting. So theories that seek to explain what WILL happen in an ongoing series. It's fun to see if you can piece together foreshadowing and clues given by creators. This is especially true for shows like Gravity Falls where there are hidden bits of clue hidden around every corner. Also all the time travel bits hurt my brain...
@CarsonMcNeil
@CarsonMcNeil 8 лет назад
Nitpick to the rant: What would ever make us think that there's only one time turner? If they're handing them out like candy to students, I assume it's probably a pretty common artifact.
@Dubblegayle
@Dubblegayle 8 лет назад
+Carson McNeil I think all of the time turners got smashed in.. book 5? When the Order fought the Death Eaters, someone stumbled into where the time turners were kept. I would have to check, but the Ministry would probably keep pretty close tabs on them as the potential to wreak havoc is so high. It's also mentioned that McGonogall and Dumbledore had to do a lot of arguing with the Ministry to get Hermione her Time Turner. But that's just my vague knowledge, so do with that what you will :p
@MP-wg8pd
@MP-wg8pd 8 лет назад
I don't know anything about the fan-theorist community but the fan-fiction community doesn't worry too much about cannon. Cannon is nice to know, sometimes even if it means we're better prepared to write something exactly opposite cannon. Sometimes things become cannon after we write a fiction, in my particular flavor of fan-fiction that became known as "being jossed" referring to Joss Whedon (Buffy/Angel/Firefly/Dollhouse) universe. It's always assumed that 'being jossed' meant great minds think alike and not that authors are skimming fan-fiction looking for the next big twist. In any case fan-fictions are like playing with action figures, it's our playtime with our toys (even if we didn't design them or manufacture them or get paid to create them) ...at that point author input isn't needed in our sandbox, but is sometimes fun to know how close we came to cannon years ahead of the reveal. My guess is that fan-theorists are driven a little more towards the competitive side of being jossed... and perhaps hope that their ideas might become fannon. At that point author input is actually a problem.
@ConvincingPeople
@ConvincingPeople 8 лет назад
The main problem I see with this theory right away, before any later revelations, is the existence of Aberforth. That we actually meet said brother long before his identity is confirmed-and I admit, I guessed who the innkeeper was waaaay before the books said it outright-only puts more nails in the coffin. That said, clever idea.
@rockerkid106
@rockerkid106 8 лет назад
The fan theories have been some of you best videos. Please do bring these back on occasion.
@cmckee42
@cmckee42 8 лет назад
When considering the role of the "Word of God" in discussing fan theories, I tend to regard comments by the author as secondary canon, falling into the same category of expanded universe works like Star Wars novelizations or Doctor Who radio plays. Such works may add extra insights to the core materials but may not be held to the same level of authority as the source material, and therefore can be set aside in theory crafting, especially where such material conflicts with or has little basis in established canon.
@PatrickHogan
@PatrickHogan 8 лет назад
Can we just get a theory channel?
@LochlynChristante
@LochlynChristante 8 лет назад
as an occasional contributor and long time listener of "The Bible Geek," authors intent is of paramount interest, but how people actually interpret the text is also of paramount interest. Intent is to Interpretation as history is to theology.
@JesterC88
@JesterC88 6 лет назад
Dumbledore asking Harry if he's hooking up with Hermione is all the Ron = Dumbledore convincing I need.
@griffffinn
@griffffinn 8 лет назад
So arguably one of the greatest authors of our time acknowledges that she doesn't have much weight in how readers pronounce her character's name but some engineer can rewrite the rules of English with "gif?"
@CubzZero
@CubzZero 6 лет назад
One thing that I noticed is that at the end of The Deathly Hallows when Harry was going to destroy the elder wand Ron said that they shouldn’t in a way so then when he became Dumbledoor he went back in time and acquired the elder wand i.e. he wanted it then went back in time and acquired it.
@namehere7309
@namehere7309 3 года назад
No.
@Christopherjames86
@Christopherjames86 8 лет назад
It is most definitely possible that Ron is Dumbledore. It is also a very real possibility that J.K. Rowling simply doesn't realize it. Though it may seem an odd place to draw inspiration, this topic reminded me of a fascinating scene from the TV show Supernatural featuring the villain, Metatron. For anyone who doesn't know: Metatron, the scribe of heaven, attempts to usurp God and manipulates the show's protagonists for his own ends. He often refers to himself as a writer and draws analogies between writing and Godhood. One of his henchmen is captured by the protagonists and later asks Metatron if that was also "part of his plan." Metatron responds, "That was a surprise. But, hey, what writer doesn't love a good twist? My job is to set up interesting characters and see where they lead me. The by-product of having well-drawn characters is...They may surprise you." Readers often think that authors have an omniscent understanding of their created universe and all of its characters but this is simply impossible. An author cannot know everything about even one of their own characters for the same reason you couldn't know everything about about your parents, spouse, children or anyone else for that matter: there's simply too much to know, too much of that life which you yourself have not experienced. Instead, writers have to make assumptions about their characters. They make assumptions about their personalities and how they'll react to scenarios they're faced with. They make assumptions about their backstories and even more assumptions about their futures. Writers have to do this or books could never be written. There is an unfathomable amount of space in a character's life that is never experienced and no one, writer or reader, could ever explore it all. Because a writer is always making assumptions, they can occassionally get things wrong. This is why authors are often suprised or frustrated by plausible fan theories. A fan could propose an explanation that fits perfectly with what is known about the characters and fictional universe but because it doesn't align with the author's assumptions, it's categorically rejected as false. It would probably be more accurate to label such situations as improbable, the same way it's improbable that your spouse is a werewolf because you spend so much time together and you would have noticed the claw marks everywhere and why wouldn't she just tell me because she knows I would totally understand and still love her?
@10dan
@10dan 8 лет назад
I feel that since Rowling invented the universe we enter when reading [or watching] Harry Potter, she has the ultimate say on her intent for the information she included. Intent being whether or not she meant something to be interpreted a certain way. That being said, that is distinctly different from flat out saying it can't be interpreted that way. All Rowling said in regard to the Fan Theory was that it was a "false theory". She did not say that it isn't a "good" way of viewing her creation.
@ehfteepee
@ehfteepee 8 лет назад
'Ride coherent on the Fan-Theory Road.' Perfect.
@Lucarioguild7
@Lucarioguild7 8 лет назад
I like when authors or creators dont shoot down theories and instead just go thats interesting or maybe gives fans the room they want to talk about future events or theories
@somethingmundanethen
@somethingmundanethen 8 лет назад
A fan theory is only a fan theory for as long as it's not canon. The moment it's canon it is no longer a fan theory, but if an author says that it's not canon specifically then it still maintains it's existence as a fan theory because fan theories exist as non-canon explanation of what could be, even if it isn't in the end.
@MCLegoboy
@MCLegoboy 8 лет назад
Having only seen the movies, I naturally only know nothing of the story of Harry Potter, but as I am to understand him , Ron is a bit clumsy. So say he found the time turner, but he accidentally broke it (He dropped it while picking it up; he stepped on it; the point is, the thing is broken.) and in an act of desperation to try to fix it, he was sent far into the past. At some point, he finds a way to fix it after having done a better job at mastering magic and living this new life as Dumbledore, but he decides not to go back because too much time has passed, he doesn't feel the need to use any sort of reverse aging spell; he just wants to be there and exist because he's content. Rather than step too much in the way of the events he remembers, he just lets things happen so as to not ruin everyone's fun and misfortunes as they shape who they will be, but he does know when to step in and have the master plans take place for the destruction of Voldemort. He becomes a paradox while everyone just does what they do. I don't feel like I've trapped myself. Ron/Dumbledore is a paradoxical being, a troll when he wants to be, and a guide when he feels he must. I've never heard of this theory and not being a huge fan of Harry Potter may mean I did this wrong, but I don't feel like I'm using any "because I said so" tactics. I think I'm just trying to find the easiest, and most believable way for this theory to even stand. It was never an intentional act until he decided to stay at the point in time he was at because he liked it; maybe he just wants to relive "the glory days" from a different perspective. I don't really think it matters. I should just let it be all-those-who-care-more-than-I's problem.
@williamwilcox3740
@williamwilcox3740 8 лет назад
Considering how many fan theories openly ignore contradictory details from the source material, you could assume that they have already removed the author as the authority, and instead put themself in that position for the piece in a similar way to fan fiction (but not to the same extreme).
@ivanclark2275
@ivanclark2275 8 лет назад
Ron and Dumbledore both have families and back stories that conflict with each other. I don't see how you can get around that, unless Ron a) transports himself back in time as an adult and either implants himself in the memories of thousands of people or replaces the real Dumbledore, by that time already an amazing wizard, or b) Ron goes back in time as an adult and makes himself look like an eleven year old or less Dumbledore. That actually would explain his wisdom and magical ability if he's already trained to be an aurar on his (Dumbledore's) first day of Hogwarts, but it does require us to believe that during the books he's at least 27 years older than he looks when he dies. Now that I think about it, that would reconcile Rowling's extra textual remarks that he's both 150 and was born in 1881, but those are extra textual and clearly pulled out of nowhere, so they're non cannon anyway.
@GreenLulz
@GreenLulz 6 лет назад
In Prisoner of Azkaban after Harry falls while playing quiditch, as he is waking up one of the twins says "lets throw you off the Astronemy tower Ron, and see what you look like". We all know Rowling loves to foreshadow
@PauLtus_B
@PauLtus_B 8 лет назад
When the writer said a fan theory is not true, well then you have a very interesting case of the "autority fallacy".
@ReikaSensei
@ReikaSensei 8 лет назад
I think authorial intent does matter to a point just because the author is the one who created the universe and introduced it to us. It is their mind that set up the rules for the thing that we enjoy and it's those rules and that framework from which all of us fans understand the world and have an equal way of communicating with each other about the world of Harry Potter. We all speak the same wizarding language, so to speak, because we all reference one original source. It'd be utter chaos if every fan's pet theory was equally valid as the author's because we'd never be able to agree on what the HP universe is. We need one common ground and one foundation and that's the author's words and intent even after the last publish if they still want to offer more insight into the universe they created. Author intent is a form of standardization. Like just going with Harry Potter since that is the subject from which we arrive at this question, we all know that there's certain things about the series like that there are four Hogwarts Houses and each student gets sorted into one of the four by the Sorting Hat even if it takes hours of arguing with the Hat about which House. We all know that YOU DO GET PUT INTO ONE OF THEM. If one fan decides to make an original character that adamantly refuses to be in any of the existing Houses and makes their own, that's their original story and it's a fun idea to play with. But we all understand it's not part of the rules and conventions that Rowling wrote or set up or something that she would agree to and I think it's important. It would also cause utter confusion with trying to talk to other HP fans around the world because you're introducing something that's NOT PART of the canonical universe as anyone else knows it. This isn't to say that each fan's experience of Harry Potter isn't valid though. Everyone experiences the story in a different way, but we communicate what that experience means to us through the framework that the author created so that we can understand each other and share something. The author's word is law in that it is the rules that we all play by and understand by. I know some people got a bit upset about Rowling introducing other kinds of details that weren't originally in the book after publish, but at the same time those details to her probably were never separate from the original version and she's even admitted herself that there were times that she told little tidbits to fans that were never in the books to people at meet and greets and I believe that because I'm a writer that is imagining up my own world as well for a book I'm planning, have started, and am not done with yet. It's tough to explain, but you have every detail in your head about how everything works and key events you want to get to, but you have to fill in the development and everything else in the middle. It's just that explaining every single thing doesn't necessarily translate into good prose into the books or maybe you forget to put something in because you're on a creative roll with how a scene is playing out on paper. When there's so much in your head, it's really easy for one little tidbit of information to be missed that to you was always there or that you always understood, but a reader who is picking it up fresh has no idea about. You live, breathe, and know that world because your mind is the one that created it and it's just when it's so expansive it's hard to remember to describe every detail to tell someone else. It's like you understand things in a certain way and it's so clear to you, but you don't necessarily remember exactly what you wrote. Not to mention that some parts probably ended up being cut out or something in the editing process, but maybe she forgot it didn't make it to the final version. To me, having Rowling explain more of her universe to us is invaluable because her mind is a well of fantastical information. Rather than being critical of her for spoiling our fan head canon dreams, I feel like we should appreciate that we have access to her and the ability to indulge more in her wonderful universe. After she's gone, we won't have that kind of access anymore and even if other people try to do things in her style, it won't necessarily be or feel the same way if someone else picks up the mantle to try to "officially" expand the HP universe. I mean, Star Trek is a great example of this because we lost Gene Rodenberry and then that universe kept going with newer additions to the franchise. It's not that those additions to the franchise weren't loved in themselves, but a lot of the later ones were definitely lacking in some spirit of the ones that Rodenberry personally touched because it's someone imitating his style and not him himself. Loyal fans questioned a lot about execution and diversity and the continuation of the message and those were valid complaints, but they exist because it's an interpretation of the original message and not directly from the source. The source itself cannot be perfectly replicated because everyone else is different.
@abydosianchulac2
@abydosianchulac2 8 лет назад
Except for two things: 1) We know a good deal about Dumbledore's early years, which would have overlapped with Ron in age, so unless Ron goes back in time and alters the memories of many people (frequently for the worse) and fabricates evidence of his youth, they can't coexist in a single timeline. 2) Ron is incredibly close to all his family, he is the last character that might willingly abandon his family for the rest of time knowing he'd never be able to be as close to them as he was.
@burdizdawurd1516Official
@burdizdawurd1516Official 8 лет назад
The paradox is that the author of a story creates their own universe, yet can only reveal so much through the perspective it is told from. This leaves the question: do the readers have the authority to finish the story. This is still about perspective. No two individuals will ever have the same experiences in our lives, and we all have our own opinions and beliefs. To someone, if what the believe works in their own mind and they disregard facts because they do not believe they are true (due to religion, past experiences, prior knowledge, etc.) then they are correct. This is because we as humans know so little about the universe, and since we can never fully comprehend everything and there is always a degree of uncertainty then we can never prove anyone wrong. However, a story is not in our universe, it is in a world created by one author. They know everything, they have the final authority. I recorded a video about this, should post it sometime.
@Nevir202
@Nevir202 8 лет назад
If Ron were Dumbledore he couldn't change the experiences that he found personally traumatizing because it would have lessened his motive to invent long term time travel. This is covered in the book The Time Machine and explored very well IMO in the anime STEINS;GATE.
@rafagd
@rafagd 8 лет назад
If you go by Unicode's specs about how to store text into computers, emojis are glyphs/letters, so maybe they can be considered single-letter words?
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