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I never thought that Rusell was a HOF'er to begin with. He's like Phillip Rivers, Tony Romo, etc, but with a ring won by his defense...

Russ was a scrambling Quarterback but he and the Broncos thought he had the talent to be a pocket passer and play till 40 like Brady and Rodgers. He's having the reality check of his life this year.

The question is "Given Geno Smith's rise following RW's departure from Seattle, was Russell Wilson a HOF QB or was his success due to the system?".

Pete Carroll protected RW for 10 years. Pete knew his limits. That’s why the last few years in Seattle people were saying let “RUSS COOK” but Pete wouldn’t let him. Russ wanted out cuz he felt like Pete was holding him back. Now he goes to the broncos and they’re letting him do what he wants. And look how that’s turning out. 🤷🏽‍♂️ everyone was saying it was all Pete’s fault when clearly RW was the problem

He can't have back to back bad seasons. He has to show improvement.

He needs an MVP and a super bowl. He is currently in the hall of very good!

Broncos country, russ lied

This show badly needs Wiley to reign Acho in.

Its also the system he walked into. Tom was able to leave on his own and had plenty of time to study other systems.

I think the Seattle Seahawks look very intelligent in getting rid of him

All you all need to look at is every sack wilson has taken since 2015 and compare year to year just how much escapability he has and what kind of sacks he takes. What you'll find is that all those sacks where defenders used to get contact but he'd slip out, or they'd just get a finger tip on him, have become straight up sacks. You'll find his spin move that used to frustrate defenders, have more and more become 10-20 yard sacks. You'll find that sometimes he has a perfect pocket, but can't see over it, and as it slowly closes in as the defenders get push, he just realizes he has no out, and falls to the ground maybe 1-2 seconds before a taller QB might give up on the play. You've simply got a guy that used to scramble to enable his explosive plays, that can no longer elude defenders nearly as much, so he can't get to the explosive plays as much. He has no pocket nuance. Some try to blame Ciara, that's of course silly, but it is looking more and more that he is "like a boy" instead of like an elite QB.

Also Acho is so good and controlling the pace of the conversation

These pundits just can't over the fact that they were wrong about Russell Wilson. Now they want to put the bandwagon in reverse and hope that no one notices. 🤣

Russ needs to come down from the mountain and EARN this teams respect by playing well AND bonding with his team. Give up your OFFICE…. Allow the guys to know YOU for real .

shoutout to the production guy who removes the overlay when Jay speaks. you deserve a raise

So Kurt Warner played 10 years & is in the HOF but Russ isn’t a HOFer??? Russ has been to more super bowls then Rodgers & Brees & has the same amount of rings & has finished top 2 in MVP voting as well(you don’t get an MVP look if you aren’t good cut it out) so how is he not a HOFer

Once Russ lost his legs, and being elusive, his high level ability went south.

He threw his teammates under the bus on his “4 hrs of high knees on the plane while my teammates slept”. Not cool to say about your self even if true.

I love Acho and Joy

Acho is killing this show

AB played himself out of the HOF. When he ran off the field.

Russ needs at least 1 regular season MVP to go to the HoF.

It’s crazy he was considered being in it, his defense and run game got him some hardware. Rivers, Russ, and Matt Ryan are gonna tarnish the award

The answer is YES SADLY. Hopefully he can get back on track.

LETS RIDE!

Yes!

Matt Ryan has had one good year (MattVP) year but we never talk about him.. Stat Ryan deserves this conversation he has two franchises in bad situation.

Joy 😍 talk that talk. Beautiful and logical

Let's ride 🐎

I see that C on Russells chest. It means something in the locker room.

I was a Seahawks fan during all Russ's good years but I don't consider him a HOF'er. He got close, but in my eyes that INT to lose that 2nd SB kicked shut the door of the HOF. Thats how close he got.

I believe that Russ is not totally done. I said from the beginning of the season that it takes a full season to get acquainted. Russ is not the only new member. The entire coaching staff is new. They need time.

Last season in Seattle . They said the coach was washed and holding Russell back . Now Russ on a new team . And we are saying the same thing over Russ coach …. This is on Russ . Pete was covering /protecting Russ for 10years

This when we need wiley ..Ocho on this tear down rant

Why was he even considered being in the Hall of Fame?

My question is: Will his "Dangerwich" sandwich make the Subway Sandwich Hall of Fame?

This is Acho vs the world. I agree with the rest of the crew here

How did Joy low key become one of the best sports commentators on that whole network? Her takes be on point.

They need coaching that can max his style.

This is crazy I never expected him to be this bad tbh bt I also gotta be honest and say I think every QBS first year with a new team unless there pretty much on the verge of retirement has been lack luster to say the least unless your name was Peyton Manning who took the Broncos to the Super Bowl his first season and got demolished by just a great defense that just so happened to have Russ leading the Charge on offense I think he needs a new coach and he’ll be fine and if your not going to change the Coach then Change the offense at least and we’re also forgetting that there’s a lot of injuries within this offense as well

You have to create throwing lanes for a short qb. Its all about scheme. Sean Payton would create throwing lanes for Drew Brees while protecting him. Denver was hoodwinked, bamboozled, and led astray by Aaron Rodgers.

I wish I could hear Pete talk about Russ more extensively

Russell Wilson has been selected to 7 Pro Bowls... That factors into HOF candidacy too

I feel like he’s “off the field”-ing his way out of the HoF.

Man as a Seahawks fan it’s sad to see my dude go through this but then You remember he’s the one that said we should see other ppl 🤭

why is suit so tight? Straight up, Bamma!

The biggest knock against Russ is getting paid then turning into Goat Peterman 😂😂😂

I say give it some time they gon get adjusted out there in denver im a cowboys fan but they can ball out there in denver

Cortland Sutton is their best skill player by far and hes only a sometimes pro bowler at best. Hes actually getting decent numbers with nearly 700 yrds rec so far. Judy is really a 3rd option at best on a good team. Traditionally the broncos have always drafted running backs very well. But its a sad day when the best you can do is Melvin Gordon and Latavius Murray. Those two havent been effective for several years. Gordon was never the super rb he was drafted to be with the chargers. They could really use a solid TE as well. Doesnt have to be a travis kelce but at least somone better than average. So its really unfair to plop all of this on Russell Wilson.

I like Acho but not every segment needs to be like a sermon

Let's rideeeeeeeeeeee

Seattle years made him a celebrity as he had the legs, an enthusiastic coach, good defense, and a great supporting fan base in the majority of his years there. I believe he was taking everything for granted because of the success of Seattle, as he was the MAN. Maybe this next statement is a stretch, but what suddenly happened in the NFL? QBs, mainly Mahomes could now name his price of $450m+, and suddenly Wilson starts thinking why not me? So he starts shopping "himself" to other teams to force Seahawks hand, they responded and tried to make things a bit better for another year for him to calm the waters, but it was too late as the damage was done. So others teams thinking he was still the Wilson that every team and every NFL knew, got all excited! Denver took the bait, touting their new found SB team, paid a zillion dollars for years to come, isn't working out this year, and here they sit in a bottleneck.

Simplicity is so sweet coach change playbook to cater to Russell strengths coach .pow wow with Russell couple weeks offence itl be rolling and the players on offence will be happy

Y’all nailed it in the end! Being on schedule, hitting the open receiver or throwing guys open underneath has not been Wilson’s strength. Teams started to figure that out with their coverage, along with their contain, and his numbers have dipped steadily these past several years.

The hof is a body work achievement russ is 34 and had 8 great years and is a superbowl champ 34 is a typical age when players start to decline plus russ was a running qb at one point which tears the body faster, he is just declining atm

Imagine having to work with Acho everyday. I’d forever sleep myself.

i agree with shady

I've never watched this show before, but the 4 of them seem to work well together and play off each other pretty well. As far as Russ goes, he has the talent to be great again. However, he has not been the same person since the hand injury that caused him to miss games. I think that injury hurt him not only physically, but mentally. Prior to that, I don't think he'd missed a start really. The idea that maybe he's not invincible coupled with all the off field distractions (i.e. commercials, Ciara, Team 3) seems to have really messed with his on field performance. As a lifelong Seahawks fan, I, along with many others, have been saying for a couple years now that the off field distractions seem to be impacting his play. The more he fed into his image, the less productive he seemed to be on field. In his first season or two I wasn't sold on Russ, but he made us believe in him and I definitely bought into it. He seems like a genuinely nice guy, maybe a little dorky, but he spent every Tuesday at Seattle Children's visiting with sick kids even before he became "Mr. Unlimited". Either that's a genuine guy or he has been playing this character for a very long time. Now you really don't hear about that stuff. Maybe he's continuing that practice in Denver? Instead, you hear about the commercials, the parties, the red carpet appearances with Ciara, the crazy truck, etc. All that hype seems to be taking a toll on his football performance. Robot or not, he can't keep the Bruce Wayne off field persona separated from the Batman on field persona without the two eventually impacting one another. I agree with Joy, I'm completely fascinated by what is happening in Denver. I, too, assumed he was a hall of fame quarterback and am baffled by him missing simple reads. In Seattle, he got used to running for his life whether it was necessary or not, but his teammates knew what to do when that happened. Perhaps his true strength was/is being able to make something out of chaos and that reading defenses and seeing plays develop as designed is foreign to him because they were less relevant in Seattle? I'll admit that initially I was bitter about him requesting/forcing a trade out of Seattle and relished the struggle, but this has gone well beyond enjoyable to just plain shocking. As an armchair quarterback, I have no answers as to what will fix this. The only thing I do know is that he is a talented football player, the Pro Bowl skills competitions prove some of that out, and the current performance does not make any sense.

I remember when this show was great.

He’s a 9time pro bowl how does he not make the Super Bowl

he will get in the HOF

How can you play yourself out that's nuts either you have the numbers or you dont

If that’s the case brees should’ve played himself out the HOF too considering the last 3-4 years of his career where he fizzled out pretty bad in the playoffs

It's never been done. But it would be hilarious

Joy always brings it and Helmand (sp) does too

❤️Joy is so Beautiful ❤️ ❤️All the ladies in Sports❤️

Love the show and the new line up. The Denver years of Russ's career will be what prevents him from making it in. I was really expecting more from Denver this year.

Correction, Pete Caroll took us to the play offs all those times, while he catered to Wilson's every need and the rest of the team make him look good. Facts.

Russell Wilson was a MVP candidate just 2 years ago. Now everybody saying he's not a hall of famer?

If they let Eli in, Russ is a lock.

Shady always bringing up eagles is legit annoying.

He playing himself into the Hall of Shame.

Never thought he was a HOF but he'll get in, not first ballet though

Wait, doesn’t Russ have input on the Broncos offense? Wasn’t it part of the “Let Russ cook” aka “Broncos County… Let’s ride.” Lol.

What we are seeing is that it was a lot of the defense in Seattle success

Is it all on Wilson why they are having a bad season? Why is Russell going through this? Isn’t there suppose to be coaches and leaders to connect with their players and get him mentally back into the game of football and leadership.

its not just about how russ is doing, its about how geno smith, a qb with about 1000 yards thrown in the last 6 season, and a td-int ratio before getting to Seattle of 30-37 might take Seattle a team that most thought was a 3 win team without russ to the playoffs? geno smith is 24/6 td to interception filling in for russ. When you take a supposed HOF player out of a team they are supposed to get worse. as great as brady is, what would we say if when he went to tampa, belly brought in geno smith and they ended up with a better record than they had with brady? or if brady had gone to tampa and the offense avg 14 pts a game? the question about russ was always, is he a result of the system a great running game and even better defense, brady had similar questions. one guy answered them one guy has not.

There is hope broncos he might grow 6 inches and then he won't miss those wide open receivers over the middle!

Dumpster County...let's ride

Richard greatest DB of the decade? Strong statement

Michael Jordan was balling with the wizards 🤔

I Love Joy .Joy looks great man

I remember hof used to mean something

they letting folks in the HoF like it’s a participation certificate lol. He is not a HoF, period. He is a bus rider and the legion of boom was the bus driver and he just rode along.

If Russell can recover from this awful season and can be a winning quarterback again, it locks him as a HOF player in my mind

Russ’ season proves, again, what has been said countless times before about the NFL: no one player can “put the team on his shoulders”. It literally takes a team effort (offense, defense, special teams), coaching and limited injuries for elite players/teams to have success. Denver improved at QB getting Russ, but the team did nothing to improve any other part of the offense. This opined by a lifelong Cowboys fan.

“ obviously they’re going to play out this contract because they don’t have a choice “ Uh - they do. And made that choice

Russ wanted play like this. He thought Carroll was limiting him, when Pete knew what he was.

If we had a debate of Eli Manning being a HoFer, Russ is a no-brainer. I mean it shouldn't even be a conversation. It's disrespectful to even think about if Eli Manning is the standard

Ain't no taking away from what's been done, and one year of bad play on a new team definitely doesn't take away from that. His career ain't over. Media gotta have something to talk about especially a minority qb who been on top, and now seems to be falling.

Kurt Warner disappeared in the middle of his career had 2 great years at the end and got in. Sooo

This is a legitimate question 🤔

0:16 Peyton's already in. The only question about Tommy Boy is if his ticket will be punched "posthumously" because we'll have to pry his (deflated) football from his cold, dead hands. Drew will definitely get in. Ben was kinda shaky at the end (not a concussion joke), but I think he'll eventually make the cut. Eli...has two rings like his brother and Ben, but his body of work's even shakier than Ben's, and that's throughout his whole career; not just the end. That leaves the only two actives: both Russ and A-A-Ron have a ring; and both have stunk up the joint this season. Russ, of course, is in a brighter spotlight because he took $245M from Denver he clearly hasn't earned (yet). But I think both can redeem themselves next season (Rodgers may have to do what he threatened last season and leave Green Bay in order to rebound his legacy).

He needs to run that rock it will open up then but sitting back not working

Im a seahawks fan and its disrespectful to say he is not hall of fame worthy

Seattle Russ was good but we forget he had an all time great defense and probably a hall of fame running back carry him a lot

Them saying that what needs to happen is Russ needs to get back to rollouts and moving the pocket and all that... but they seem to be ignoring the elephant in the room. Do you honestly think Hackett is that totally clueless that he is forcing Russ to sit in the pocket? Hackett is NOT an NFL head coach and has made bonehead situational mistakes but his offense is fine. Russ forced his way out of Seattle so "he could cook" and he has major say in what goes on here in Denver so obviously he is the one choosing to not run and be a pocket passer. I said at the beginning of the year there was 1 very stand-out moment in like game 2 where Russ flinched on a throw thinking he was gonna take a hit and I thought right there that it could be over. It seemed to happen to Cam after 2015 and once you lose that edge of being able to play fearless it is nearly impossible to get it back.

I hope Dr. Joy Taylor PhD going through the proper channels & this is also stipulated on the money being right, does a 1on1Russell Wilson Interview sometime between now & just after the last game of the season because Players open up to her. Also it might just be the altitude adjustment.

Bro, you stole Stugotz idea. 🤨