Is Sarah Lynn a Victim? (Bojack Horseman Video Essay) 

I don’t think it’s necessary to pick apart her every action to determine whether or not she’s a victim. Sarah Lynn went through so much in her life. She doesn’t need to be the “perfect victim” to justify her victim hood. She was wronged so much.

She was molested, had her childhood stolen, and driven into a spiral of addiction and self loathing. So yes. She is a victim

The short answer Is an easy "Yes".

I can’t say that she’s entirely lacking in autonomy for everything she did, but ultimately, she was a victim. Her mom was manipulative, her step-dad was, well, intrusive to say the least, and BoJack took advantage of her dwindling will power and, when the time came, chose self preservation over her well being. It’s tragic because while she made choices that brought herself down, she was still exploited by her parental figures and society as a whole.

everyone already said everything that needed to be said except one: saying Sarah lynn would have never became an architect bc she was educationally stunted was a weird take. I'm terrible at science yet I am still a biology major on my way into the dentistry field. everyone can start somewhere and while she most likely would have been in school longer than a usual student she still had every chance to succeed imo

"Is Sarah Lynn a victim?" Is the sky blue?

I think there's some things you're glossing over. Sarah Lynn literally had NO ONE looking out for her in her life, except for Herb, and he was forced away from it early on. Everything she became in her 30s(such as they were) is just the natural conclusion of a lifetime as a pimped out circus monkey. 1. There's no comparison with Downer Ending. BoJack had no concept of a modest family life. His mom was a disgraced heiress trapped in a toxic marriage with his screw-up dad, he alienated every woman he dated and wasn't willing to put in the effort to be a father and break the cycle. Sarah Lynn took architecture as a hobby, she designed her own house after all. It was her passion throughout her life. If it wasn't for being basically uneducated due to the demands of child stardom, she would have likely BEEN an architect, perhaps a minor one. 2. Mara Wilson quit acting because her mom died and she didn't have the energy to keep up her passion while grieving. I saw one of her articles, where she described herself as closer to a very successful drama nerd than cases like Sarah Lynn. 3. The flashbacks sequences completely recontextualize Prickly Muffin. You may think Sarah Lynn was taking advantage of him on the first watch, but revisiting it after having watched S6a, it's too little too late on his part. In fact, she already cracked in 2007, she's been a husk of a person throughout her actual time in the show. The difference between her and BoJack is that he's had some socialization outside Hollywood, she didn't. She's been locked into this life since she was three. 4. Oh no. The seventeen minutes is COMPLETELY in-character for him. Did you forget how he sabotaged Todd's rock opera in S1, just so he wouldn't leave him? How he threatened to KILL HIMSELF to get Wanda to stay in S2? How he pressured Sharona to take the fall for HIS screw-up? He has a pattern of doing whatever it takes to not get in trouble.

I feel like people overlook the fact that Bojack, while not directly responsible for Sarah Lynn's SA, was still a constant adult presence in her life and in the position of taking action had he not been so uncaring and self-absorbed to pick up on the many obvious signs that something weird was going on with Sarah Lynn's step-dad. Oh well just another thing to throw on the pile of bad things he's done to her that range from neglect to, y'know, murder...

short answer - yes, absolutely long answer - yes, absolutely but with extra steps

I worked in an Emergency room and if someone comes in “code blue” (not breathing/heart not beating) they usually try to revive them for a while, especially if they’re young. Even if her heart stopped in the planetarium, time of death probably wouldn’t have been called until the hospital. But this makes it even worse that bojack waited 17 minutes. You can only survive not breathing for like 10 minutes max. Cpr should be started right away and the paramedics would intubate and once at the hospital they could keep a person alive with machines long enough to give them a chance. I’m not an expert on this, but these are my thoughts. My personal theory is that the reporters only got the police records that found a 17 minute gap between the phone calls and the time of death. They wouldn’t have gotten actual medical records because that’s illegal. So they filled in the blanks with limited medical knowledge. If bojack did call right away he probably would have been protected by a Good Samaritan law which I just looked up that California has. They often specifically protect people who report drug overdoses from getting arrested for having drugs.

Sarah Lynn is basically the Bojack equivalent to Marilyn Monroe. An actress with a shitty life who never got rest even in death. There are men who paid to be buried on top of Marilyn's corpse. She's constantly used to make money like Sarah Lynn and both of them never had a support system. 😥😟

The girl didn't have a chance really. She was set up to fail so, yeah, she's a victim. I will say though at the end she threw away her sobriety of her own choice and that's definitely on her to some degree... but when you take into account that she was chasing validation she never had, it seems at least tragically understandable.

Before watching, I want to say it’s not the matter of if she’s a victim but more what or who she’s a victim of? You can say she’s a victim of Hollywoo, Bojack, her mother, etc, or a combination of everything and one.

"Is sarah lynn a victim?" Yes. *rolls credits*

Damn, who needs 45 mins to say "Yes, Sarah Lynn was a victim."

It’s unfair to call out Kristen Schaal out for using her natural voice over multiple series it seems very few female voice actors are cast for their variety of voices or pitch range except for a few like Tress MacNeil and Pamela Aldon. She has a distinct voice that is perfect for animation it’s never bothered me they are all different characters and have nuances that make her deliveries distinct enough not to worry too much 😊

Sarah Lynn reminds me of Miley Cyrus without the recovery she's gone through in recent years. Both womens' lives as a whole can be described as a child star having major growing pains from not being able to grow up, having most of their early adult careers being oversexualized, thereby losing the substance in the art that they do, and even before that being sexually assaulted from a young age. There's also a hint of Jenette McCurdy's story with the mom counting her carbs every day and the p3dophillia she was subjected to by higher ups and fans.

Sarah Lynn was manipulated by everyone around her and while she made many bad decisions as an adult, these decisions come from never being given a good childhood

That segment with Penny broke my heart. It is still my biggest fear that my emotionally abuse ex will come to find me. I'm horrified at the idea of me being alone with him. I feel for Penny

Not enough people mention that Bojack and even Sharona heard Sarah Lynn talk about her stepfather and just ignored it

she’s definitely a victim. given everything she was exposed to as a child, it’s not surprising what happened. she was 3 when her life was not her own. she turned to drugs, sex, and alcohol at a young age to cope. everything that happened to her as an adult, is a result of her losing her sense of choice as a child. she couldn’t chose her career, but she could choose how she destroyed herself.

I still feel bad for Sarah Lynn and seeing how her life has been in constant turmoil it just can't help but feel for her. Yes she made a lot of mistakes but considering all the things that went on in her life, as well as how little she got help, except ofcoarse with Bojack on occasions, you can't help but shed a tear for her.

Yes.....I don't think this was even up for discussion. It's talked about in depth in the show. Even Sarah Lynn speaks on it in the Afterworld, that she was a SACRIFICE that didn't amount to anything, she sacrificed her childhood and entire life, never actually experienced "life", and died dreaming of a life she never came close to having..... She just wanted to be an architect 🥺

For the drugs, alcohol, and having sex with Bojack? No. The bad advices, manipulation, and abuse she experienced her entire life? Yes.

Yes she’s a victim! She was heavily implied to be molested by her step dad, had her dreams of being an architect crushed by her shitty mom, got drunk at a young age because of Bojack, and she surrounded herself with people who did not want to help her get better.

ok while i definitely do understand most of the points, and i do agree she certainly had levels of autonomy as an adult, as a struggling junkie myself, to reduce her choices (concerning drugs) as just being dumb choices that she "easily" could've not made is rather dismissive and further shows that people do not understand the psychology or mindset of drug abusers and what leads them to do the things they do. yes, she could have said "no, i dont wanna party" when bojack called and yes, she could've chosen to go to rehab and stick with it early on, but it rings very similarly to how people say "just stop being depressed" "just get out of bed" "just think happier thoughts" when talking about depression or other disorders. yes, you can do those things sure, but it's not that simple. i think she did the best she could with the way she was raised and lived, and while she has made mistakes and definitely is responsible for the actions she takes, it doesn't make sense to talk about her and her choices as if she was just as mentally stable and well off as any other adult her age. she was dealt a shitty hand of cards from a very young age, which permanently shaped her future, including her adulthood, and she deserves empathy and sympathy, even for her shitty choices later in life. It would be different if she had made such choices without her previous history, but that's not what happened, and to talk about her as if she wasn't still a victim later in life when you understand her background doesn't make much sense to me /no hate just personal thoughts

As someone who struggles with many addictions i can tell u that getting sober just so u can get better highs is a very real thing. At somepoint u become so dependend on drugs that the only thing u realy look forward to or how u can enjoy stuff is when ur high. Somewere u know that ur only damaging urself more by doing that so when u are alone u manage to stay sober for a while but deep down ur only waiting for a reason to get high again. So while I can't judge if the depictionin the show is good or bad, I can tell u that it is very close to reality.

In californa if youre high and someone OD'ed around ya. Ya will not get arrested for drug usage or possession if ya call 911 for an ambulance to avoid the very situation that caused Sarah Lynn to die.

I loved her sacrifice speech. It wasn’t about her sacrificing her life by dying It was about her sacrificing her whole life by becoming a famous icon at the age of 3-4. She sacrificed her opportunity to have a normal life or a good life. That was how she sacrificed her life. Not by death. But by never living.

“When people say something is clean as a whistle, they forget that a whistle is full of spit.” - George Carlin

Is it just me or Sarah Lynn's mother looks quite similar to Honey Boo Boo's mother?

after watching "in defence of sarah lynn" i do believe she is a victim of abuse from the people who only wanted to use her for their own gain. She was young when it all happened, that was what she grew up believing and thats why shes so willing to break her progress and go back to old habits that end up harming her but benefiting others. sarah lynn is a victim.

The reason for the "17 minutes" being retconned into existence was to get shock value from the audience. The show wanted the audience to ponder whether or not Bojack deserved his cancellation, but during this time, Bojack was way too sympathetic and his worst deeds were already known to the audience. Sure revealing Bojack's wrong doings in-universe was enough to cancel him, but not enough to do anything to the audience. Thus, the show needed Bojack to reveal something awful about himself that the audience didn't already know. They do the same thing in Mr. Peanutbutter's Boos, which is why I absolutely hate that episode. There's a lot I don't like about Bojack's cancellation and the 17 minutes is definitely one of them. Obviously the show was strapped for time, so it's very possible they had a long term plan to reveal this detail in a more organic way, but what we got was very manipulative.

I disagree with the idea that the reveal about Bojack killing her was forced. The interview called to elements of the situation that were very specifically not shown in the Planetarium scene, and that the viewers should have been asking about from the start (Did Bojack call 911? What did the EMTs/police have to say?). The whole point of the framing it gets in the interview is to put the viewer on the same level as the in-world audience; taken aback by details not directly shown to us, but that should have been far more obvious from the start. Because really, that's how these situations occur in the real world, too.

I still assert that while BoJack is an awful and selfish person, the real monster in Sarah Lynn's life was her step-father.

Answer Yes Definitely Absolutely Buuuuuut she's also partly responsible for herself

37:09 to be clear, this would count as neglect homicide as the only reason she died was because she was neglected care by the person who was with her.

@KittyMonk I would say Bo Jack was an enabler for her to drink but it was her own fault and choices even if bo Jack was there or not so shouldn’t Saran Lynn be held responsible and accountable for letting her self get that bad in the first place so it’s her own fault even though Bo Jack didn’t help her at all either as Bo Jack encourage and enabled her to drink and do Drugs witch ended her life but it was her own choices that let her down that path to begin with.

5:28 The difference is when Bojack turned down his life with deer girl, (can't remember her name,) he was in his 20s, Sara Lynn was made in an actor when she was 7, children have less control than adults.

Kitty, I just gotta say, good video! I love watching your videos, it is very interesting to see a deep dive into characters I like! Please keep doing what your doing!

One thing I learned about BoJack Horseman was that if they wanted someone to make a guest appearance, but the real person refused to voice themselves, they would have something comedically tragic happen to their animated counterpart. Hence why ‘Andrew Garfield’ falls into the hole in the floor when he walks into the Halloween In January store.

Her wanting to be an architect to me just means that she wanted something more out of her life.. that she wanted to be something she admired

I really believe Sarah Lynn wanting to be an architect was genuine. Like, she was forced into acting by her mother effectively and of course as a child she couldn't argue so she made the most of it (think jenette mccurdy) but it's entirely believable that she was also very adept at maths, even if she never got the proper tutoring. She might have a natural ability for it and aspired to be an engineer because she liked the puzzle and challenge aspects of it, meanwhile lacking the passion and specific kind of imagination required for acting and performing.

it is extremely common for addicts in recovery to keep their vices around and hidden "just in case". recovering isn't linear, and it often is a lifelong struggle. bojack inviting her to break her sobriety and go back into hard drugs is shown to be the only reason she broke her sobriety. while i can't blame bojack solely for her overdose, he is very much the reason she is dead now BECAUSE of the fact he didn't call anyone for her sarah lynn lived and died a victim that's part of her place in the story. she will always be a victim of someone - her stepdad, her mother, hollywoo(d), bojack. even in death, she can't escape being portrayed as a victim. celebrities who die as young as her, in similar ways to her, are forever a victim. their legacy becomes how they were victimized and failed by everyone in their lives. doubly so for women, triply so for child stars (of any gender) as young as her. i've always viewed sarah lynn as a portrayal of how hollywood will chew up, spit out, and eventually kill dozens of people every year, especially child stars. debating whether she's a victim or not is exactly what the writers seemed to be intending with her, because that's what society does. look at any celebrity that died young from drugs or suicide. marilyn monroe, kurt cobain, chester bennington. so much of their legacy is defined amongst everyone by their childhoods or how they died, the things that happened to them bojack horseman is a show about how your childhood can change you or shape you, but eventually you have to take accountability and fix things yourself. sarah lynn never got to do that, she never will, and her legacy is the exact opposite of the show's ultimate "lesson", and in itself, is part of the lesson. it's just as common for hurt people to burn out like her as it is for them to be like bojack. sarah lynn was part of the reason i wanted to get as sober as possible from alcoholism, and she continues to be the reason i keep trying every time i backslide. she is forever a victim and a warning sign for anyone like me that doesn't want to end up with their legacies in a similar state, even if we aren't all celebrities like her

I honestly don't mind if Kristen Schaal's voice sounds the same on multiple characters. I love recognizing voice actors. When I heard Beatrice I thought I was tripping until eventually realized that she's literally Eda from TOH. pretty sure this essay was unnecessary though, but eh, it's been a year

i love this show so much for how well the pieces in this episode fit together; she got sober under the excuse of a tolerance break like so many addicts do, and she was clean for 9 MONTHS! she was choosing to stay clean! your tolerance will drastically decrease after a number of days-weeks without her drugs of choice, but she went PAST withdrawal and stayed sober! if bojack had never invited her, she may have had even more time to commit to a clean lifestyle, but this is exactly how a deadly relapse tends to happen!!!

I went to architecture school for a year and you can do it without too much math tbh, it's the cad programs and 3D drawing classes that are the most impossible. staying up all night to draw stairs...don't miss those days. I switched majors p fast.

To Quote Mr Bison from the Street Fighter live action movie: "OF COURSE!"

I do enjoy the perspective more that Sarah Lynn wasn't entirely a victim in her own death. While a lot of horrible awful things happened to Sarah Lynn as a child, it's not easy to argue whether her, or Bojack's homelife were worse, both of their childhoods were terrible and filled with little-autonomy and abusive or neglectful parents. It's a double standard to apply the logic to Bojack that despite his upbringing he is responsible for every mistake he made, while also washing Sarah Lynn clean of her wrongdoings because of her parents. Considering Sarah Lynn's personality, I'm inclined to believe she would've taken the Overdose lightly if she had survived, and would've likely OD'ed herself to death at some point anyway. To be clear, with the events of the show we got, Bojack is Morally, although not legally, responsible for Sarah Lynn's death. Sarah Lynn is a really sad commentary on how fucked Child Actors are a lot of the time, and honestly her parents are among the most despicable people in the show, because unlike Beatrice we never get to see their own stories for why they are like this, and I highly doubt they were anything close to what happened to Beatrice considering the people they're based on. Ultimately Bojack ends up suffering a lot more as a result of the guilt he feels after Sarah Lynns death than any prison sentence, since the absolute worst he could've gotten would probably be reckless endangerment. Bojack is not responsible for Sarah Lynn's death because he had the Heroin which took her life, she knew full well what it was and agreed to snort it of her own accord, she was never coerced into doing so and there's not evidence to say she was. This is a purely legal perspective by the way, like I said above, Bojack is Morally responsible for Sarah Lynn's death as a result of not calling the ambulance immdieatly, though honestly considering all the other drugs they were on I'm not optimistic Sarah Lynn would've lived regardless, Mixing dangerous drugs is unsurprisingly exponentially more dangerous. I'll be honest and say I have a serious bias for Bojack, because he's the main character and ultimately doesn't commit much in the way of crimes, just a hell of a lot of stupid things he doesn't stop to think about how they could affect other people. I am by no means saying Bojack isn't guilty of a lot of hineous stuff, he is objectively a really fucked up person who needs help desperately before ever returning to normal life but it's that anti-hero quality that a lot of people myself included love about him. What was I talking about? Oh right Sarah Lynn. Just as a last thought I want to once again re-iterate that point of Sarah Lynn in no way being a saint, martyr or exclusively a victim. Yes she is a victim, but it's not like Bojack is not a victim of a similar kind of awful parenting, and through season 6 we know it's possible for people even as messed up as Bojack to change, though it's hard to see it that way for Sarah Lynn since we never got to see her go through the same thing as a result of Bojack's actions. And yeah I'd agree with Kitty that the 17 Minutes thing feels kind of contrived for the sake of extra drama. Also the Lawsuit coming from the Xerox corporation and not Sarah Lynn's family lawsuit is honestly fucking infuriating, probably the one detail in the whole show I actively despise. It's played off a throwaway joke and commentary on how big businesses can destroy someone for talking about them wrong but this is just so fucking dumb.

I absolutely see Sarah-Lynn as a victim. I even see Bojack as a victim. But being a victim of something or even multiple things doesn't excuse behaving badly and not making an effort to improve It's def possible to be both a victim and responsible for your own bad choices at the same time

Sarah Lynn always struck me as a victim of a tragic life.

This video is an L take. Not every victim is perfect and passive in their victimhood.

I think sara lynn wanting to be an architect was more about her wanting a normal life with a normal job and less about her wanting to be an architect. She just wanted to be a normal person and an architect probably seemed like a normal job to child her and she lached onto the idea of it. And never grew out of the idea since she was so traumatized during the early stages of her life. She was a victim

I like the bellhop Kristen Schaal voices in Amphibia. It was a nice change of pace for her.

she like everyone is the show is a victim in some way or form. she just wasn't able to recover. she was stuck and instead of trying to grow she did what bojack did and do whatever was fun and could numb the pain. and she always made a way to have an excuse just to fall back on. like she tried to get clean but she made sure she had an out to the first person who wanted to party with her. and the childhood actor thing is a crazey thing to look into. it shocker and scary just what these kids were boot through .

What people forget is that while Sarah Lynn was waiting for the excuse to relaspe, BoJack was completely aware of it and asked her to do drugs knowing full well she would say yes.

I honestly bothers the way that the story unintentionally strips women of their agency at the end by framing so many women as Bojack’s victims. Like, is Bojack a piece of shit? Yeah. Did he victimize women? Oh, yeah. But he victimized just about everyone he met. But plenty of the women made their own choices, bad ones, but still their choices. So when the story ends with Bojack taking the brunt of the blame for Sara Lynn, it just… skeezs me out that her Family get off clean and nobody at any point brings up the fact that she chose to go with Bojack, or that her home was literally packed to the brim with drugs and alcohol. Like, fuck what Bojack did, but she was a victim of more than just Bojack. The same can be said of many of his other victims. It’s what makes things like this so messy in real life, and the story just strips that complexity away and it doing so makes it feel like the women had no agency of their own when they did. Maybe I just got too attached to the character. Maybe rape-culture, something something, conditioning something. Eternalized something something.

Sara Lynn was a victim first You can say she did some pretty shitty things and was a victim its never a clear cut answer with people with trauma. But shes a victim first.

Sarah seems to be a good example of how a victim can turn in a to a "bad"/shitty person if not treated/recovered from thier trauma.

That's a whole lot of victim blaming, and attributing things to Sarah Lynn that there's not even any proof for. She did bad things, and her being a victim doesn't justify them, but most of her behavior is easy to understand after all the abuse and bad influence she received. She is undoubtedly a victim.

There was a BIG victimization that people gloss over completely: look at the last episode of "Horsin' Around." Even though Sarah Lynn's character is technically an adolescent, they still had her in those stupid pink overalls. That's the production team desperate to keep her cute and childlike for as long as possible. Like so many child actors who are female, if they're kept a kid too long, they are desperate to prove their adulthood and usually go the overly-sexualized route, which has its own problems. Maybe if they'd let her grow as a person she wouldn't have taken the other route, one that she seemed to regret/not like in later episodes.

If you ever redraw your avatar, I would recommend shading with other colors rather than adding black to the base colors! For example, using a purple for the pink or a light blue for the white. I think it would help make the character look a lot more alive! Edit: the youtuber GingerPale does this for their videos a lot!

Seeing your videos makes me feel safe and you're one of my favorite creators

Brittany Spears went through hell and she cried for help for years finally someone along with the free Brittany movement is really good I hope she gets the peace she deserves

Ok the Andrew Garfield being "in the MCU" made me laugh because it's technically true now but he was a separate universe

sarah lynn is like bojack in many ways. They both reflect a toxic enviroment that cursed their lives,, and they reproduce the behavior that was thought to then. The only difference, is that while bojack was trapped in his glory days, sarah lynn made her own carrer, but cust her happinness.

I binge watched this show for the first time when I was going through some serious back issues and it’s say I can see how people see this show as therapeutic but at the same time if you identify yourself as Bojack and don’t see you need therapy just as bad as he did, you can fuck right off to stage left.

37:19 Couldn't it be Criminally Negligent Homicide?

Sarah Lynn is a victim of circumstances and the toxic people in her life. It’s implied that her step-father s*xually abused her, Bojack was a terrible person who took advantage of her as both a child and when she was at her lowest, and she never had anyone to actually count on or to be there for her. One thing, her drug-filled romps and destruction are her fault. She is, at least as an adult, in charge of her own actions and can make her own decisions. What happened to her explains it but doesn’t excuse it. She was a victim simply because people used her for their own selfish reasons. Be it Bojack for wanting to party, wanting to be a father figure, or wanting someone to sleep with. Or be it, her step-father for reasons already explained. Or be it, the media birds who are constantly invading her privacy. She never got to live the life she wanted, being an architect, but instead she got emotional, mentally, and physically pushed into being a star and an addict.

Bojack may have been her last lifeline but he should’ve never been one in the first place So many more people failed her before it even got to the point that he had to be the last one left.

I love the look of horror on young Sarah-Lynne'e face when Bojack gives her the "don't stop dancing" speech!

I don't think you can assume because she was homeschooled that she wouldn't end up enjoying going to school. You can't really say all you can say is she never really got the chance.

What most people do when making amens just send letters it’s way easier than the letters really sincere because you’re going through the trouble of the Postal Service and spending money. Do you know show that you are forgiving this person also, you’re not making the person uncomfortable but your presence being there.

Her licking the bear fur and knowing what it is..

She was very much a victim but as far as her death goes- As a former junkie and abuser of prescription opiates i think she kinda brought it upon herself _to a degree._ She got sober and clean but she absolutely did not learn from the experience. Typically a junkie doesn't start pulling themselves out of addiction until they see just how much the addiction has changed who they are as a person and how much of their life it has destroyed. That's the wakeup moment that makes you decide to quit. Sera Lynn didn't have that. She basically quit because it was a thing to do and she was like "yeah okay, why the heck not?". A typical junkie will fight to keep their vice as far away from them as possible for a number of reasons. Maybe they don't trust themselves or maybe they just don't want the reminder or maybe they just don't want the possibility of temptation. Sarah Lynn though had the stuff stashed all over her house ready to go at a moment's notice. I personally think that if BoJack hadn't called her up she'd have cracked.

saying she didnt actually want to be an architect when its literally her last words verbatim just because "you have to be good at math" is such a weird take

the idea that just because Sarah Lynn had drugs ready to go and because she initially started her sobriety as a tolerance break doesn't mean that she was going to do drugs again by herself. She was sober, and probably just kept the drugs "just in case", for a sense of safety so that if things get tough she can use again. But even if things got tough she wouldn't have, not by herself. Things are easier to sort out when you're not high constantly

another kitty monk video is a good day

Today my brother and I had a little arguing about Penny. For me Penny is not 100% innocent, 17 years old is not a child and she WANTED him. I'll say she has her part of the fault. So, here in Europe at least, we can't see somebody arriving to the adulthood as a "child" ... Basically, my brother defended a bit more Penny but also he isn't saying she was fully free of that. Also something I think is forced and not realistic is Penny acting like if BoJack was a rapist, you are not the victim of the Accused, lady. But the fact that he stalked her ...😅 Was a bad move. 🎉

Short answer yes Long answer yes but with more nuance I don't feel like typing right now

I think it's a really good question whether she was a victim. she absolutely was, and she absolutely did have some responsibility to what happened to her too. I really like the question about whether bojack has any responsibility in her death as well. I think they were both responsible, and I believe that doesn't mean they share a percentage of the blame, but rather the blame and level of responsibility with each person is nuanced. I do think it makes sense to include that Sarah Lynn wanted to do drugs again after being sober. I remember my alcohol tolerance got so high at one point I specifically went on a tolerance break. drinking heavily again was my goal. I'm forever grateful that the people around me never encouraged that in me despite me wanting to. now, I don't want to anymore. Bojack initially recognised the importance of Sarah Lynn staying sober. even several months into sobriety, that addiction still holds power over you. "we are powerless to our addiction" he later said. For him to encourage Sarah Lynn to use again, despite believing she should stay sober, I do think he took advantage of that addiction still active in her

This is some "perfect victim" bullshit mentality. Theres no perfect victim and her having bad qualities doesnt change that she was a victim.

Speaking of voice actors that use the same voice. The viz media voice cast are guilty of this.

It is sad. Good work on the video.

The short answer to this essay is Yes. Sarah Lynn served as a example of how toxic the entertainment industry is and we’ve seen this kind of stuff with children star’s who worked in Disney Channel and Nickelodeon and for example who worked in 90’s sitcoms like Sarah Lynn. Her mother forced her to work at the entertainment industry at such a young age and looked up to Bojack as sort of a father figure which was a bad idea since the guy himself isn’t a good role model. An plus this was theorized by Johnny 2 Cellos an I agreed with him on this but in some moments where Sarah Lynn mentions her stepdad who was a bear and that he was a “photographer” mostly in the flashback moments in certain episode proven this theory that he was doing….not so nice things to her. An we see this heavy weight that she carried in the Season 3 episode 11 That’s Too Much Man where she literally has an emotional breakdown after she an Bojack go on a drugged fueled bender and this was after going sober for 9 months. It took one phone call from Bojack to break her sobriety streak which is just tragic after well everything.

She is obviously a victim

disliked less than 5min in for not realizing the true talent of kristen schaal creating a character trope of (usually animated) unhinged manic pixie nightmare girl on their voice alone and turning themselves instantly recognizable on the level of patrick warburton

Of course Sarah Lynn is a victim. She was robbed of her childhood when her mom forced her to be come a child actress. She was molested by her stepdad. Her father figure Bojack was an asshole to her. Not to mention he got her into drinking at a very young age. When she became a pop star, Sarah descended into alcoholism and drugs. Andrew Garfield broke up with her in public. Bojack had sex with her multiple times. He was the one who gave her the heroin that killed her. Sarah Lynn had a s**tty childhood similar to Naruto, Sasuke, Sai and Gaara, Inuyasha and Miroku, Raiden, Snake and Otacon from Metal Gear, Kratos from God of War, Tidus and Clive from Final Fantasy, half of the cast of Fire Emblem Three Houses, half of the cast of the Dragon Age series, half of the cast of the Witcher series, every protagonist in the Assassin’s Creed series, half of the cast of Attack on Titan, Kaneki, Touka and Nishiki from Tokyo Ghoul, Denji, Kobeni and Reze from Chainsaw Man, Shizuka from Zom 100 Bucket list of the dead, Miyo from My Happy Marriage, half of the cast of Game of Thrones and Harry Potter himself.

I can explain Mara Wilson dropping out of acting but it ain't pretty. her mother died during the filming of Matilda and it dropped her acting spirit entirely. Danny DeVito who was both directing and playing the role of her father spared no expense to help her grieve. she has a dedication at the end credits "for Suzie Wilson"

AHHH, Kitty Monk with another Bojack video? I'm actually so happy I think Sarah Lynn has done some crappy things, yes, she's a victim but also it's good to acknowledge she wasn't the best herself (although she wasn't as bad as Bojack)

short answer: yes

10:32 it took me way too long to get this joke, but once I did it got a laugh out of me

EDP wants a Cupcake

Fascinating take! I never thought SL was a VICTIM. I just thought she needed a better friend than bojack

I think the 17 minutes reveal works because one, it makes it harder to deny that what happened was Bojack’s fault, and two, it makes it so he did something bad that we didn’t know about until the interview (watch Schaffrillas production’s video on season 6, it goes more in depth about this point)

Unambiguously yes

As someone who has dealt with addiction for quite some time, i have gotten sober for a time specifically to get a better high when i got back into it because the drugs stopped working. Shes absolutely a victim though and Bojack is so responsible for her death imo. He could have gotten her help during her OD. That doesnt mean shes blameless in her death. We take our own lives into our hands when we do heavy drugs like that. But he knew better and knew what to do and he was right. There. Manslaughter possibly, negligent homicide maybe? Criminal negligence maybe? Since he gave her the heroin it might be negligent homicide. This all being said. Carry Narcan. You can often get it free from your doctors office, pharmacies, community health centers, and some private agencies. Get more than one dose. The shit thats out there is strong and if you Narcan someone CALL THE PARAMEDICS. Narcan can wear off and then they OD later. Also Good Samaritan laws protect you even if youre also high. The law has decided theyd rather let another drug user go if theyre calling for help than dealing with a dead body because people are too scared to call. Anyway. Stay safe out there.

I love Kristen's voice

I mean, I have no connection to the characters so I have no bias. But objectively both Jack and Sarah were abused as children and it fucked them up into adulthood. It’s just really weird how everyone hates Jack yet give grace to her. People say she was pushed by the adults in her life but isn’t that what happened to Bo Jack? He became a shit person because he had a shit childhood with no one to help him. Sarah also had a shit childhood but how tf would BoJack supposed to help her? He’s fucked up and never learn proper healthy behaviors. If anything the people around her who weren’t mentally ill should have helped her.

By the time of her final appearance, I'd say it's almost a clean 50/50. I lean more towards her being a victim personally, but more a victim of herself than the people around her. Between the drugs and the way she was raised, it was always going to be an uphill battle for her to regain control of herself.