Is SeaWorld's New Coaster a Mistake? | Pipeline: The Surf Coaster 

Yeah, but that's a lot of thoosies and passholders. I'm still interested in the general reaction.

@Poseidon Entertainment That's true but sometimes pass holders and die hard fans are the hardest to please. Most park guests don't think too much about it all.

Because thats far too obvious for corporate execs to think of.

It's wierd because they name their rides after water based things and then don't really incorporate the theme into the ride at all. Ice breaker has no ice themed supports or rockwork, and this one has only loose water elements. If they actually had more water involvement it would really make their park standout as a water-ride park chain.

@@thedigiseviper1330 They proved they can nail theming too. Look at Wild Arctic or the Penguin area as examples. Both some of the best areas in the park theming wise. But the new ones are just plain. Makes me sad.

What ride of theirs isn't aquatic themed?

​@@verios44Its true. Castaway Cove in SD has excellent theming as well. The rapids ride goes through a shipwreck and passes live sea turtles. Its a great experience and a shame Sea World doesn't attempt theming like that anymore.

I didn't find the restraint to be particularly comfortable either, though I do understand why it exists.

@@PoseidonEntertainment The Actual Bicycle Seat didn’t hurt my….well….you know. But the Vest Restraint did dig into my traps and it hurt a bit, but I would rather have kinda bruised Traps.

The vests need time to be broken in and then they will be more comfortable. This should be escalated in the Florida heat

@@bitcoin-investment The Vest Restraints can do that??

@@kyogresfunchannel yes that’s what happened to mantas as well

It will be interesting to see how the general public takes to it

dark rides arent popular BGW proved it and they just turned BGW dark ride into a coaster

coasters is making seaworld alot of money right now

@@NickyD True, but I do see at least a small demand for indoor attractions, at least Seaworld has water rides though.

I agree that they should add dark rides, even if it's just a few. They would need to be better than Empire of the Penguin though. I considered that to generally be a waste of time.

I think that seaworld is doing a great job carving out a niche for themselves in orlando right now with the whole "coaster capital" angle. They simply cant compete with universal or disney when it comes to dark rides

I agree, but I'm surprised that we got as much as we did.

San Antonio is even worse lol

@@PoseidonEntertainment I’m just glad my sea world had money in the budget to build an immersive station for Leviathan, makes up for a lac lustre ride, don’t get me wrong it’s great to have a wooden coaster in Australia and it has airtime but that’s about all.

SD is second to Orlando despite being the first park. We joked when I worked there about it being the stereotyped step child.

Have you seen Darkoaster!!!!

SeaWorld definitely does not focus on capacity. They unfortunately have some of the slowest ops I've ever seen in a park. The Pipeline team was moving quickly but I doubt it will be for very long.

Everyone who works the attraction is wearing something on their wrist that they scan on the side of the arm rest. Don’t know the purpose but it wouldn’t be possible with 4 across seating.

not a rsik for B&M when they make the reaible coasters in the industry for seawrold it is

@@NickyD it is when they are trying to bring back a controversial model that hasn’t been popular for over 20 years

This video is why I hate GP acting like they know things 😅 Pipeline is a vast improvement for standups

I can't say that it was different enough from Riddler's Revenge for me to really consider it anything other than a modified stand-up. It's kind of like comparing Kraken's floorless trains to Kumba and Hulk. Yeah they may technically be different, but not enough that I consider them different types of coasters.

@@PoseidonEntertainment interesting that you had such a different experience. To me this was nothing like Georgia Scorcher or Vortex. If you don’t mind me asking, how tall are you? I’m wondering if height played a factor here.

I do actually hate Premier trains but for whatever reason, Icebreaker is a stand-out to me.

The coaster going through Antarctica will likely fit that category.

I agree, but coasters are so cheap. A dark ride would likely be an additional $60 million and even then wouldn't compare with Disney or Universal.

@Poseidon Entertainment but they dont need to compare to disney or universal. If anything do 2 small screen rides. They dont need to recreate technology. Use a cheap one and give guests and families more to do. Like the wild artic ride, they closed it and that's it. Even the penguin ride. I know they sre doing a new coaster there but still couldve small attractions to keep people busy.

It's because SeaWorld, despite their years spent charading as a theme park, literally don't know how to design or maintain something like a dark ride. Just look at the sad state Journey to Atlantis's show scenes are in. They probably removed the show scenes from the later versions of the ride because they knew they were too inept to do it correctly, so they just went with the bare bones experiences you see in San Diego & elsewhere. Their only attempt at a proper dark ride, Antarctica, was universally panned and is already closed despite being one of the park's youngest attractions. If they tried doing a simulator, it would just be Wild Arctic 2.0. Pretty basic stuff, nothing innovative.

Yeah, which I think is a mistake for SeaWorld. They have the chance to distinguish themselves and they're just not doing it.

I agree. The area is under-developed and the coaster doesn't change that.

I haven't been to BGW in quite a while, but I've heard that particular section of the park feels very off-putting with how unthemed it is compared to the rest.

It's not even open yet. We'll have to see how general park goers react.

@@PoseidonEntertainment I mean yes, but with passholders having ridden it, much of the population craving for another not so scary but still thrilling ride, it really is a knock out of the park. Also the best standup coaster in the world is enough clout to get people to spend a day at the park.

When you return back to the block zone, it's not particularly fun just standing there in the sun. This team was moving remarkably fast for SeaWorld ops but even then you're still sitting there for a good 2 minutes. Once the ride loses fast ops, you're probably going to be standing there for 5.

There's not really much to say on it that I haven't said already. I think it's an interesting experience but wasn't sustainable.

While not extreme, I do think it alienates a lot of families because the height requirement is still too high for a lot of kids. At least the new coaster going in Antarctica seems more family friendly.

@@PoseidonEntertainment yea it does, but SWO loves their B&Ms, and B&M loves SWO😄. Next thing you know all the coasters are 54" or taller for the most part. Pipeline just happens to be more approachable than the other B&Ms if you are tall enough...but not too tall since there's also a height limit 🙄. Yea the next coaster should be fun for the whole family. They want to be the coaster capital of Orlando so it should be interesting in the coming years, the things they build I mean.

Great job on the artwork though. It definitely adds a lot and I'm glad that SeaWorld saw its importance.

It does certainly give off a California vibe which is weird for SeaWorld, but it's not out of place either. I'll take what I can get in terms of theming.

I agree. They have the chance to stand out among CF and Six Flags and they just choose not to.

I agree. It seems like a family coaster in terms of intensity like Cheetah Hunt but that height requirement is holding too many people back.

I think SeaWorld knows that it can capture thrill seekers, but I agree that the park needs to be more family oriented. It needs a few shows and calm dark rides.

I've heard it's a really solid dive coaster which is why it's so disappointing. Seems like an easy win, but I think SeaWorld only cares about its Florida parks and Williamsburg.

I actually think that 1 day is more than enough if you go when it's not busy. If you go during a weekday on the off-season, you can pretty much walk onto everything.

​@@PoseidonEntertainment So I recently had family move from across the country to Central Florida, and I was able to go to the park on a free ticket that came with their annual passes, and we were almost able to do everything we could/wanted in 1 day. The rain kind of took an hour out of it, and of course they insisted on eating at a place that took another hour, and they all hated the food while I was still satisfied from my Panini just outside Mako earlier in the day, but it was fun. Speaking of food, Chicken Pesto Panini was phenomenal for what I was expecting for theme park food. Great size for the cost, but even the flavor was great! I'd have ordered that at a traditional restaurant if I had the opportunity. Right when the park opened, we did Pipeline, and the line was so short we did it back to back. Not bad except for the second time through where the second train was having a problem at the station and we sat out in the sun waiting for 15 minutes for them to unload and launch so they could get it out of our way and finally continue the rest of our day. I experienced a bit of what you were saying about slamming down, but I was always able to keep at least one foot in place and I feel like that greatly diminished the discomfort if it ever occurred. I was weirdly concerned at how understaffed the cues were for the coasters though. We never had a good chance to do Ice Breaker, so I don't know if that had a similar staffing issue, but only Manta had someone directing you where to go. Now maybe it was the heat and a bit of dehydration, but Manta kicked my ass. I wouldn't say that I get motion sick either, and the ride itself was actually quite fun except for me almost losing my glasses, but the worst part was leveling back out, that made me nauseous. We did Kraken immediately after and I had no problem, but again, nobody was directing you were to go. On the one hand, every ride seemed to kind of have a dedicated front row line, and since that was never really our priority, it made getting a seat easier and greatly shrank the wait time, almost like the self checkouts at stores, but at the same time, you have people that want to ride together, and can't count. Like, sorry guys, you're holding up the line, you're going to have to break up or get out of the way. At least Kraken has numbers on the floor, I think it wouldn't be as big of an issue if that were common practice at the other rides if you're not going to have someone direct. It's not ideal, but it's better than nothing. Concerning whether or not Pipeline is a great addition to SeaWorld, I can't really say, I'm not a coaster buff, but given its theme and the surrounding area, it didn't feel out of place. If I have any real discrepancy, it has to do more with just the navigation of SeaWorld. It's not exactly a nicely well laid out park when you try cramming in all these coasters. While Pipeline can be seen just outside the entrance of the park, getting to it was a lot more work than seemed necessary. You had to make a series of turns and even go down a few steps or cut through a restaurant to even get there. Made the waiting time shorter, but since they don't have physical maps you can carry around anymore, and I don't have a phone that can download the app (only one person in our group of fie had the app), it's not exactly intuitive how to navigate the park. After Pipeline, we were trying to make our way to Kraken, and wound up all the way out to Mako, which hey, fantastic ride, but whoops! They're not even close to one another when considering their entrances despite how close the rides' tracks run by one another. Not really much you can do about since it's my choice living in the stone age, but even if there was always room to expand from when I was last there in the mid 2000s, the way the park is laid out just isn't as conducive to how much they're putting in it. Pipeline took a portion of road that was once part of the parking lot, and any future expansions are going to have to do the same, only making navigation worse because the park just was never really initially designed for what it is today. But all in all, it was fun day, and I'd do Pipeline again no problem.

I cannot even express how much I hope that since no one really seems to want it to be floorless, that Georgia Scorcher can actually be converted in a sense to have this kind of seating.

@@oneandonlysound3453 Georiga Scorcher is still my favorite stand up!

I have to wonder if the bouncing restraints would work on a different layout though. Would something like RR be too intense and is the layout of Pipeline designed specifically to accommodate movement?

I rode in the front, middle and back and definitely felt that nausea specifically in the back too.

@@PoseidonEntertainment I’m going back and getting a few rides in on different seats

I think what you said nailed it perfectly. Coaster enthusiasts are liking it, as most youtubers are ignoring the negative aspects, but will this ride actually draw non-enthusiasts to the park? I really hope so, because I love Sea World and want them to succeed, but I'm skeptical about this ride being the best choice to draw the non-youtube-enthusiasts. I think their next coaster will.

@@OklahomaCoasterFan same I love Seaworld and enjoy going when I can so let’s hope the future is bright for them! But I agree the new coaster will definitely draw the crowds

I wouldn't describe it as painful or anything, just not very comfortable to stand in.

I don't think there's much to speculate on. The experience just wasn't sustainable for the price and the low volume of people who attended it. Did you watch my actual Starcruiser video from when it opened? I lay out the experience and you can see why it wasn't sustainable.

@@PoseidonEntertainment I just watched ur original starcruiser video again and I do see what you’re saying. I do think that this is fun speculation for a future Disney project , they surely aren’t going to scrap the whole star cruiser so I’m curious how they will integrate it back into the parks once it reopens. I think they should add more “moderate” and less immersive rooms rooms and make this experience larger thus hopefully bringing the price down quite a bit. Also, scrap the shows and missions and just make a unique themed Disney resort. It would be nice to incorporate something into it that only guests of the star cruiser get to enjoy that’s makes it worth wild like perhaps a small immersive character dinner or something unique.

It's not a pelvic nightmare. I don't know what Poseidon Entertainment is talking about.

I love that leg-crushing feeling of the old stand-ups. It's such a fun sensation to feel positive forces through the legs, at least for me, as long as I got that perch low, and the perch locks in place.

Wasn't it discovered that the figure is just clip art? I thought I recalled something like that when it was first revealed.

@@PoseidonEntertainment did not know that lol

I felt that soreness as well, it reminded me of riding Manta on repeat. Granted, I think it's more comfortable than Manta at least.

It may just be me then, but everyone experiencing it has either been a thoosie, passholder or media. I'm not surprised that it's getting good reviews. I'm curious to see how it will do within its first year.

Someone who hates the stand-up model. Not much you can do about that, just his opinion. I was happy to see it revitalized personally but that’s just me. I’m excited to see how it may have been improved as it was somewhat uncomfortable, especially for men.

the seat moves up and down so not only are your feet going down but sometimes the seat moves up, you can imagine how that feels I’m sure

You don't necessarily land on your feet before hitting the seat

I'm 6' 3" 🤷‍♂

I think a stand-up coaster might be too inaccessible for Universal's more family oriented crowd. A standing Velocicoaster would be interesting, but I think it would turn off too many park goers.

@@PoseidonEntertainment What do you mean by "inaccessible?" Because I can tell just by looking at them that Universal's coasters are already more intense than this, so that must not be what you mean. Or are you referring to the actual accessibility of the ride, ie the fact that disabled people & guests over a certain height cannot ride? Because a park like SeaWorld having such a ride, with no alternative accommodations, is still very much a problem, there's just no one talking about it. I don't think I've ever seen an Orlando park open a major attraction with such strict limitations on who can ride and who cannot, but no one is discussing it from that angle. Despite its ongoing identity crisis and trying to market itself as "the Six Flags of Orlando," I'm sorry, "the coaster capital of Orlando", SeaWorld still attracts much the same family demographic as the other Orlando parks. It's always been a family-oriented park. They should still be casting a wide net instead of trying to appeal only to able-bodied coaster enthusiasts, but they aren't, because they were an animal park that chose to grovel to ignorant activists who ruined their public image, and now they don't have the budget or know-how needed to reinvent themselves as anything more than just another coaster park. It's a sad state of affairs, and one they should not be settling for.

Manta may not be the best flying coaster, but it's such a good experience because of how it's integrated into the park.

It's a fun time if the park isn't busy and you can walk on to all of the rides. As long as you avoid weekends, it's not likely to be busy.

@@PoseidonEntertainment Thanks! Unfortunately it'd be a Saturday due to the structure of the Disney trip...but it'd be in September.

I have to wonder how much theming their Antarctica coaster will have. I'm hoping that it lets out into the penguin exhibit.

I do enjoy the theming, but I’m also mainly going for the coasters and then going to universal for the good theming

A lot of people were speculating that you might be standing sideways before it was revealed. That definitely could be interesting.

Riddler's Revenge is a traditional B&M standup coaster. It happens to be my favorite one. But Pipeline does have a major difference. Your restraint does not lock in place to fix your standing height so your torso actually moves with the forces of the coaster. That means you have more freedom of movement and can even be lifted up from the platform. It is a much more comfortable approach. Furthermore, the layout of pipeline is less focused on positive G forces that shove your body into the little crotch harness and instead is more graceful and even emphasized airtime which is not typical of the traditional B&M standup coaster.

Ah, so I found RR to be the more comfortable experience. I don't know why but it was the most casual B&M I've ever been on.

They do have more aquariums than ever though. They absolutely have some of the best in the world.

It isn't breaking, they've been having various issues with the ride since day one. But with SeaWorld's poor ops and maintenance, I certainly wouldn't expect anything to improve.

Shockwave? The layout does not look fun

At least the new Antarctica coaster is likely to be family oriented. I'm extremely curious to see what they do with it.

Always appreciated lol