To be fair, he's trying to kill someone who basically started the entire apocalypse the game is set in Also the lean in he does when he talks about his scheme to you is hilarious, cool, and really fucking creepy
Haha exactly the point I was making. He's definitely a creep. But he's likable and if it wasn't for his creepiness, his actions would be seen as completely reasonable given the circumstances he's in
ranni was the straw that broke the camel's back. I dont get why everyone always says only ranni caused the shattering when it's pretty implied not only Rykard took part but Marika is also implied to have helped cause it as well. (you know the person who actually shattered the ring and directly caused the shattering?)
Literally no she didn’t? She killed herself, and it’s not clear how responsible or if she chose Godwyn to be killed as well. Marika shattered the Elden Ring. And stop treating the Golden Order as some utopia. It was built on blood just like any kingdom. They genocided the giants and other races to have to establish the order. The misgotten are enslaved, and the undead and omen are hunted for no better reason other than being what they are. Ranni, though her motives are somewhat selfish, has the solution of removing her order from the world so that the beings of the world can forge their fate by their own will and not by the coercion of the gods.
Rykard helping is quite literally just that. Helping. He didn't orchestrate. Plus he helped ranni as insurance against Marika and maliketh I believe ranni gave the claw to rykard because when she caused the the night of black knives she got godwyn killed to which whether it was rannis intention or not, it Definitely wasn't wasn't part of Marika plan, which is why ranni gave rykard the claw so he could protect himself if his involvement was ever discovered, Marika on the other hand, now out of options as her plot with ranni blew up in her face, shatters the elden ring to send the world into chaos. I think it's still rannis fault. Obviously Marika isn't blameless, she shattered the ring, but only because she was out of options
I think the reason that Pidia recognizes you is because before you can reach him, you have to pass through the first floor of the church he resides in. He also seems immediately afraid of the player. I think this is because he's probably aware of many of the Manor's defences, and you just murder your way through a bunch of Raya Lucarian soldier puppet spirits, a Cuckoo Troll, and spirit Loretta, and you probably scared off Adula, one of the strongest fucking dragons in the game the second time you fight it. So he knew you had to fight through all of that and now you're right there next to him in his little hidey hole. I bet he sells you stuff as a way to disincentivize you killing him too, because after you buy everything, all he does is apologize and beg forgiveness for not having anything else to give.
Out of many of the npcs, Ranni's entire band is memorable to be sure. Selivus was on the bottom, and I loved Iji more than wolf boy, however Selivus is that evil npc that gives you unique rewards for horrible actions.
the fact you can get a dung eater pupper through using Seluvis' twisted means to your own ends is pretty dope and probably one of my favorite things in the game
@@TheHonoredMadman doing this to the poor dungeater sounds even more evil than giving it to the other one, also his summon is strong as fuck and i can understand why you did it.
@@thanquolrattenherz9665 To be fair, Dung Eater kinda deserves the puppet thing because he pulls out peoples souls through the anus and then eats them. A bit of an eccentric one he is
@@rikkhanny867 its not a crime to eat stuff from other peoples anuses but its loathsome and in america some students got corona from these kinds of acts but i think in their case it was alcohol and not souls.
@@thanquolrattenherz9665 they don’t call him the “dung-eater” in as much of a literal sense.. it’s more of just a “what is the nastiest insulting name for the nastiest person we’ve ever known to have lived?”
yeah when it comes down to it i prefer him over gideon but not over the dung eater. the dung eater may have killed boggart but i like that he spites the erdtree
@@TheHonoredMadman I make sure to kill Dung Eater as soon as possible, make him regret giving me that key lol. Save both Boggart and the purity of my Shirikodama every playthrough. Nobody touches my anus soulsphere.
14:56 "Indicating that he tried on his own and failed in the same way". It could just be that Ranni was done with him and thought him as creepy as everyone else.
One weird thing I noticed is that the inactive puppets in his hidden basement can get the same golden eyes effect that makes enemies drop extra runes. I specifically saw it on the swordstress puppet. I have no idea what it means, probably just that those puppet npcs are considered valid entities to gain golden eyes, even though you can't kill them. Just weird.
@@FunkyDeleriousPriest Different golden eye. The frenzy one has wisps of red and a flame-like graphic. The golden eyes of increased rune drops look like little golden orbs, with less of a trail left behind while moving than the frenzy eyes.
23:43 I like the Selevus puppet theory because I imagine Pidia, due to his experiences with being looked down upon by nobles, treating other people in the same condescending manner once he finally acquires power over others
Seluvis is like the mean impatient schoolteacher, He's spiteful and venomous, and outright just doesn't give a shit. Though i can't help but like him. Seluvis also gradually becomes more respectful to you if you help him with the potion quest. Also, i'm not so certain he's actually dead by the end of ranni's questline, You're still able to learn sorcery and get puppets from him. He's probably simply in a bizarre dormant state much like Serren's puppet was.
To me it's more likely the finger maiden puppet wasn't the players but just some random tarnished. I only say this because I think it's heavily implied varre kills your maiden because he knows immediately your maidenless and is waiting for you right out the gate with this knowledge. Its just would make a lot more sense in my mind for varre to have done it
I’m convinced that Varre intended to make the player Tarnished a Bloody Finger from the get go, murdering your maiden to make you aimless and lost, offering the path to Mohg if you survived in the Lands Between(which is exactly what happens)
@@williamhanna9718 I believe pretty much the same although like pretty much everyone else in game he underestimates you and your ability to actually kill mogh
Yknow with the whole Demigods constantly battling each other for their great runes to restore the elden ring and shit. It's kinda weird how Nepheli Loux isn't considered to be an contender of being Elden Lord. You would think being the daughter of Godfrey/Hoarah Loux she would be acknowledged as an rival for the Demigods. Also I'm surprised she didn't inherit Godfrey's inhuman strength.
@@TheHonoredMadman yes you must be born of at least one god to be a demi god, and in Miquella and Malenia case they were born of the same body, resulting in them both being able to ascend to full godhood at some point, hence Malenia becoming "the goddess of rot"
@@juliannagk9079 the Elden Lord can be anyone. Being the God chosen by the GW requires being an Empyrian. Nepheli just doesn't have the ambition to like the player character.
9:25 "She's very likely the player's original maiden". I'm pretty sure the dead maiden in the starting room in the Chapel of Anticipation was your maiden.
Can you do a video on the Two Fingers? Like, what the hell are they? They're pretty significant things in the lore of Elden Ring, but why do they exist? Why are they fingers? How do they tie to the Greater Will? Why are so many of them dead? Why is Ranni's in that underground chamber area? Why do the dead ones look like they're made from wood? Why is the Great Will associated with Fingers at all?
it seems at the very least every demigod had their own set of fingers at one time butwhen the shattering happened the greater will abandoned them and im guessing thats why theyre all dead, but i think they jus serve as vassal or like emissary for the greater will to guide the offspring of marika to do the greater wills bidding. but then ranni killed hers and all that. i dont have a clear answer but thats a great suggestion ill definitely look into it i appreciate that
@@TheHonoredMadman I don’t know that all the demigods had Fingers, as the game goes out of its way to explain to you that Empyreans had Fingers, having Fingers is a sign of an Empyrean. And the other demigods are not Empyreans. I think the fingers on top of the divine towers are simply representatives of those holy places, kind of like the one is at the roundtable hold. Now why are they dead? No idea
They Fingers are only called fingers because that's the best way the primitives of the Lands Between can rationalize their being. Being vassals of outer gods, the Fingers morphology is likely natural to their species, and it just so happens that their form they present to the characters just happens to resemble fingers.
@@anders6326 I agree with this due to how Ranni's slain fingers look so strangely by comparison and due to the fact we never quite see what's below the "palm" of any of the fingers, not really anyway so who knows what they look like in their totality.
This game has the best evil options since New Vegas and Mass Effect 2. If you do the order right you can pretty much do every evil quest and then burn it all as the Lord of Chaos.
The fact that you called Gideon a witch king of the Angmar cosplay made me so happy because I’m made a cosplay of the witch king of Angmar using his helmet
People underestimate preceptors when they think Pidia is a master-mind behind Seluvis. You have to actually kill the preceptor in the Tower with Ranni's real body twice, and she isn't a pushover, I believe Miriam has several puppets of herself to fight you. Seluvis is probably a match to her or even superior. The creep has the confidence to make such schemes as to enslave great heroes and a freaking demigod. I bet he has several bodies as well and after the scheme didn't work out as intended, he just left his own puppet in the Tower and commanded carian soldiers' puppets to kill Pidia to hide all the possible tracks. The preceptors themselves are there to carry Radagon's will, and Radagon wanted to preserve the Golden Order, so no wonder preceptors would be interested in stopping Ranni's grand betrayal. So that's why I don’t believe that Pidia could be the ultimate puppeteer. It's also interesting to note that Gideon wants to root for Marika, and Seluvis for Radagon, further strengthening the concept of opposites.
Who underestimates preceptors? I haven't seen anyone underestimate them. They are powerful inner circle aids to the Carian Royalty. That said Pidia is the real puppet master. Explain why Pidia has the map for the Amber starlight that Seluvis asks you to find? Explain why when Pidia dies you can pick up Seluvis's favorite doll Dolores from his corpse. If you've given Nepheli the potion to turn her into a puppet you can Instead find her puppet on Pidia. How are the Seluvis questline puppets found on Pidia's corpse? Hmmm big think. I could go on and on and I have in other comments in this thread but the evidence, all of it, EVERY BIT OF IT points to Pidia being the wizard behind the curtain. You know the funny thing is people want it to be Seluvis since he's more snarky and has more attitude but the funny thing is he has no attitude anymore. He's a puppet. All that attitude is Pidia speaking through him. So in reality all that attitude people like is in reality Pidia.
I always figured pidia and Seluvis were literally the same person. Seluvis wasn’t Seluvis until pidia murdered a preceptor (not in a straight fight but from behind or while asleep) and the began to use the body to become Seluvis. Seluvis is essentially an extension of pidia, and not just a pawn
Seluvis is a neat character. Wears a cool mask, medieval fedora hat and is always straight to the point. Sigma grindset+Effectivenes= Seluvis. Most important of all, he takes care of his puppets while giving them tarnished love.
It took me awhile to realize Lobo wasn't actually asleep. I just thought I had to get whatever quest condition that would let me talk to Latenna more and she would ride Lobo off. I was very sad when I showed her the medallion and she said goodbye to her companion
To address the murder of Iji and attempted murder of Blaidd at the hands of the Black Knife assassins, I am very much of the opinion that she is not responsible for them, and if she is, then it is very poorly communicated to the player. After you kill the Baleful Shadow, she asks you to tell Blaidd and Iji that she loves them, and it would be somewhat difficult to carry out that request if she had them killed. I think it is definitely likely that either Marika or maybe the Greater Will itself has command over them now. Blaidd doesn't wear a Mirrorhelm, which would make him an easy target for the Greater Will to track, and Iji takes his off after learning that Blaidd, even in his madness, still wished to serve Ranni, implying that he knew the assassins would be looking for the traitors, and he let himself be killed as a sort of capital punishment to himself for in his eyes betraying an friend. Why I think the Greater Will may have some control over the assassins is kind of pure speculation, but Marika seems to be cut off for the most part, both physically and in spirit, from the rest of the Lands Between. The only connection she seems to have left in the world are her stakes that can make the Tarnished's struggle slightly less agonizing, and the echoes of her words at certain sites of grace. The Greater Will, however, seems powerful enough to psychically interact with a bunch of things, literally guiding Tarnished through the guidance of grace, and can send malformed stars from space to destroy ancient cities. It takes Nox occult practices to fashion a helmet just to stave off the Greater WIll's influence. Though, Marika herself did say she would specifically return the grace of gold to the Tarnished at an appointed time, so she may still be fairly capable of god stuff while impaled in the Erdtree. This is mostly just a (probably wrong) crazy rant at this point, and completely disconnected from the point I was originally making, which is that Ranni (probably) didn't kill giant dad or wolf man.
yeah i dont think ranni had her companions killed i just think she sort of abandoned them to their fates, there wasnt much to be done for blaidd, him going insane was gonna happen if she was to truly achieve her goals, he was always going to be collateral damage despite his devotion to her. and iji had long ago accepted his fate at the hands of the golden order after spending his life in fear of their retaliation for his treachery. but i never meant to imply she had them killed i only meant that her actions led to their deaths. also the tone of this video i was trying to be alittle over the top against ranni and in favor of seluvis, im actually working on a video about rannis story currently
Here's something to consider for your rant: In combat Black Knife assassins use a red and black flame, like Malikath does, both of their blades containing the essence of the rune of death. When we find Iji dead, he is burning with the pure black flame of the godskin apostles. So perhaps black knife assassin's tried him and failed (we see their bodies scattered around) but godskin apostles/nobles joined in to finish him off. On top of this we have to fight a godskin noble trying to get into the divine Tower of Liurnia where Ranni's curse mark of death can be found. Maybe the godskins were after it, it maybe they were guarding it. It seems like it's something that would help them with their god-slaying goals. With Ranni's primary interest being severance from the greater will, maybe both the black knife assassin's consider her a traitor to their cause for not continuing to slay gods. One more point of interest is the Black Knife assassins have only one weakness: Cold. Ranni/Renna is known as the cold witch. It could be the black knife assassins feel increasingly threatened by her as you help her during her quest. There's probably also a connection with ringleader Alecto being imprisoned in an Evergaol on the moonlight altar. Who else could capture a black knife assassin alive? Instead of helping the black knife assassins to topple the golden order, Ranni is working with you as you attempt to become Elden Lord. The black knife assassins, who are women, are very motivated to stop Marika because she persecutes "heretical" births (demi-humans, misbegotten, albinaurics, the nox). My body my choice, right? Then some random tarnished comes along. Tarnished are called back to the lands between by the greater will. Ranni and you working together is treachery in their eyes. Similar motivation for godskins too.
15:00 why does anyone do something dangerous. The adrenaline of doing something that could possibly get you killed is exciting when you walk away unharmed. Assuming you did give him Nepheli Loux that's not a light crime. I'm sure he's done alot that could have got him a execution date. Ranni is almost a "I have one chance. If I fail I'm dead forsure" Look how tempting having a demi God as a puppet. Would easily put his entire collection to shame. 21:00 I think Seluvis had him killed before attempting the Ranni puppet mission. He simply knew too much and he looked like he was covering his ground. In case he failed didn't want anyone to talk.
It's cool you liked my random thought about Ensha perhaps being a puppet enough to repeat. If eventually this is definitively ruled out I apologize in advance. But I appreciate you pointing out why Pidia and Seluvis are likely NOT the same person, even if Seluvis' mind is in a doll after transferring bodies at least once. This would need an accomplice, as with us and Sellen, which explains Pidia's involvement. Seluvis even assumes the inert doll pose after his death. Also, when Pidia reacts to you like he knows you the first time, this is a result of mistranslation. In Japanese Pidia's line is more just surprise to see anyone at all.
i honestly think its the only reasonable explanation of ensha to me, hes super vague so it fits. and yeah i should have put more emphasis on the fact he would need a henchmen to pull off what hes doing
18:20 Yeah, I mean the fingermaiden in darkroot depths does mention that Godwyn was supposed to die, but prolly fully die and not become an undead fish-monster
@@TheHonoredMadman I think it's pretty safe to assume that the Queen had some "ceremonial slaying" in mind for Godwyn. The fingermaiden's usage of "martyr" might hint at it being some veiled machination to kill and resurrect Godwyn, pinning the blame on the blackknifes I guess and further deifying him as a result. Ranny probably muscled in on the deal or something to that extend, I'm not sure, but I find it very weird how many hoops do you have to jump through in order to unlock Ranny's full potential so to speak. It's almost like Astel is a sort of jailer of hers.
Your comparison is very wrong I kinda thought the same thing but the more I learn about the lore the more ranni’s actions as fucked up as they were isn’t evil and Sulivis is pretty fucking evil
You really didn't understand the lore did you? Is Seluvis trying to liberate the world from the Outer Gods? Also is it Ranni's fault the demigods went insane with power? That's a pretty horrible take I'll be honest
@@blizzardgaming7070 In Ranni's defense, all you mentioned was what we knew about Godwyn, which is precious little. For all we know he could've been Joffrey Baratheon behind the scenes.
Yo not to simp but I’ve been playing your videos on repeat, you got the meat of the lore but you still talk like an actual person and not some imperial scholar of the fuck-off dimension so thank you and cheers
you make several good points but leave a lot out. 1. Selivus is a puppet, with no other body in game unlike sellen. but like sellen still sells afterwords. meaning that is the ending body. and both being trapped in husks. 2. If you kill Selivus by attacking him, he will come back with the church of absolution. You cannot bring back "dead" characters like this only reset "faction" points or whatever with him 3. Pidia is an albenoric, there is no way to where he is, there are no bars but it's a prison, he can't go anywhere. 4. Pidia has a map to all the ingredients to make the starlight amber draught. Which is strong enough to take over demo gods inhabiting puppets, but allows to take control of already made puppets. 5. Selivus most Likely made Ranni's body in the first place 6. Selivus is able to not age becuase he turned himself into a puppet as the ultimate expression of puppet making in japanese mythology. Even naruto does it. 7. Selivus and Pidia's death are not connected. Pidia's is trigger by the finger slayer blade. Maybe I tried on a different patch but Selivus was dead and Pidia didn't die till after I gave her the finger slayer blade which "is" the trigger for Pidia's event not selivus's death. 8. Pidia has the map for the potion to not only take over ranni but Selivus being a living puppet. The knights don't go haywire, it's insurance. Who is the only person Selivus apprenticed besides you? Pidia, Who can has the map and knowledge to take over puppet bodies? If Selivus died inside his puppet he didn't want pidia bringing him back and controlling him as he's trapped inside his puppet body just like ranni would have been. Would Ranni care if she could just have any other puppet made and be happy. The Tiny Ranni is a disguise but its a toy she needs a real vessel. The Mask, I honestly have no idea why they did it like this. But it could be more possible he'd tried to make a puppet out of someone with blaids head as a fake blaidd for further schemes if needed. He is a shadow and there for has to be half wolf according to lore. So yeah good job or bring quite a few things up but while some of this needs connected with hard evidence the connections are all there and while some may say this is all just theory the whole game is so. But I think the night of black knives was messed up because Merica was in Radagon form and Godwyn was in female form [like miquella can] and they were trying to concieve children in another way to get around the curses. So while Merica was the target of the night of black knives to kill her soul trapping the elden beast in a souless husk so it was trapped, but they mistook Godwyn in female form as merica and by the time they realize they had to go through or ranni would die completely also screwing the entire plan up. Merica was Radagon at this time because it was planned to get merica while radagon was away when they didn't know they were one in the same. So take it all with what you want. But I've been going through his quest multiple times just because I love the idea he made Ranni's puppet body and then made himself into a puppet possibly by the same glinstone essence trick sellen uses. They have a past, they have a shared up bringing and education system. Why would Selivus not know things like removing his own primal glinstone and putting it into a puppet being the puppet master of raya lucaria so high up that he was a preceptor. It only makes me sad that you can't keep the poption finish ranni's quest line and then give the potion to the slumped over selivus puppet to get a selivus puppet for yourself. That seems liek that would have been the optimal ending for the quest from soft really missed out on.
thanks dude. i originally was just going to rant about how gideon and seluvis were bffs and list off all of their respective crimes but when i was researching it i started to see like a whole other side of the commonly accepted narrative that surrounds seluvis
Oh, Seluvis is far worse than most people think. He literally turns people into his puppets, and even descendants of demigods like Nephali Loux are able to have this happen to them. Reminds me of a villian from Naruto, Sasori of the Red Sands.
So I don't think therolina was the tarnisheds original finger maiden but what I think is that she could've been out substitute one as she didn't have her own tarnished and we didn't have a maiden
Best part of the video is gideon killing the wolf and you saying, as a husky owner that pissed me off lol i do enjoy a lot your videos, nice explanation.
Thanks for another Elden Ring lore installment, man! To me, your vids are some of the most enjoyable lore vids out there! And I agree, Gideon is a bonafide SOB for puttin' that beautiful Lobo to the sword. That's when I decided the old coot had "to go". Lol
Bruv people be hating on Gideon, Seluvis, etc... when Ranni and other Demigods are literally trying to overthrow the world. But at least they cool right? Also look at what you do ingame xd.
Everybody uses the look at what you do excuse when you can be the entire game without starting any fights. Every single boss aggressive to you. Malenia could talk and was coherent but she just attacks you for no reason. For example lol. I got no love for the demigods, they're a bunch of spoiled kids fighting over power for the most part. I don't like gideon because he's duplicitous and condescending
@@TheHonoredMadman Yea i mean it is kinda annoying how you cant talk back. However you still commit some atrocities, for example most ppl genocide that neutral madness village.
kinda random but could anyone explain why blaidd isnt already insane when we meet him? His whole thing is being a fail safe should ranni ever try and defy the greater will but for some reason it's no big deal ranni killed her own empyrean flesh which removes her from the influence of the two fingers? why does he wait YEARS until she murders her two fingers when shes supposedly already disconnected from their wifi and shouldnt be influenced anymore? shouldnt he have tried to kill her way back when?
Honestly he should've turned on her during the black knives night either thay or he's bad programming or perhaps her doll body through his programming off until she quite literally killed the fingers that gave blaidd to her maybe? Idk but I agree it's weird he waited so long to go berserk
It could be that Blaidd was always feeling the resist the urge to turn on Ranni ever since she killed her own body, but was able to ignore or resist it. However, the more anti-Golden Order actions she took, the harder it was for Blaidd to resist until he finally succumbed to his "programming".
Less than clinical explanation. I understand the sentiment. I dislike the sick monster shambling about that is Seluvis. But dropping explitives as a person dissecting the personality and habits of an NPC in a video game is my personal view on entertainment. That being said here's a like and a comment. Hope you do well on this platform.
I thought it said in the Nox puppets text that they had volunteered to become puppets? Not a big issue either way, just remembered reading it. Good discussion on a devious NPC with dubious motives. 👏
Yeah they volunteered but it also says that the puppets were made in the eternal cities although I still can't find any proof that the nox invented the puppeteers but it seems likely. Possibly they planned to turn a demigod into a puppet like seluvis did later on
You find the Selivus' puppet that shows that Selivus ain't actually a thing. You can interact with it. Selivus is a puppet. Pidea being an albernaric and have limited life spans is far, but magic exists.
oh shit yeah you right. i mix up the three names alot too but you right thats another male puppet. im actually working on a nox video currently and recently realized the monks were male, i had previously thought they were an all female race lol untill i looked at a couple of the dead bodies closely
By the way the finger maiden puppet isn’t ur maiden. Ur maiden is at the beginning of the game where u get the purple finger before facing the grafted scion. She most likely got killed trying to escape the grafted scion or someone else tried to kill her but from most investigation it’s most likely she was killed by a grafted Scion or by one of godrick’s men some say it was a bloody finger but the only bloody finger or close by is mask varre but the thing is mask varre is in the first step there’s no way for him to have killed ur maiden unless he drops a imbued sword key upon death which he doesn’t.
Gideon is one of my favorite characters in the series due to his asshole nature. Such a manipulative and cunning bastard but at the same time hypocritical as hell. I love it😂
i thought selvius is actually pidias puppet. if you listen closely they sound very similar. also when selvius "dies" hes situated in the same way as all thenother puppets.
I'm honestly not sure about this one way or the other. I screened the maiden you find at the Chapel of Anticipation and the Therolina puppet who shows up at the festival or is found in Seluvis's cellar. They both seem identical albeit wearing different clothes. They both have the same hair style and colour plus eye colour. Face structure looks the same. The Chapel maiden is wearing a regular Finger Maiden set while Therolina wears a Travelling Maiden set. The clothing difference could have the simple explanation that Therolina was redressed in different clothing, but that would involve the assumption that what you see in the basement is a created copy of the Chapel maiden. Like how we see a copy of Sellen while her real body resides in the Witchbane Ruins. Plus the Therolina puppet description states she never met her Tarnished. You certainly fit that description. One detail supporting these maidens not being related though, is the Chapel maiden appears to be laying in a pool of her own blood. At least whatever process Seluvis uses to make puppets doesn't involve bloodshed of the victim. So again I'm not really sure one way or the other.
Basically Seluvis didn’t like what dolores said about his man and thought it would be totally funny if he made her in to a puppet and leave her in his sex dungeon to catch a bit of dust before selling her uses to you.😺
Maybe ranni made herself into a puppet in the first place. That's why she gets to live inside a doll. But because she is her own slave I guess she keeps her ability to do what she wants.
Well no, Ranni used the rune of death to kill her body, freeing herself from the ties of the parent/s, she is literally a free spirit. The death of Godfrey's body was a mistake but his soul was returned to the erdtree, when the rune of death is returned to the erdtree(after killing Maliketh) Godfrey is given a new body? What happened to his prince of death body? Fia's quest can still be completed. Even Godfreys dragon bro couldnt save him, the rune of death is some OP shit. Godfrey makes less sense the more sense we make of other characters,
the death of pidia and seluvis arent at the same time, in my playthrough i found seluvis dead in that puppet position and pidia was crying for mercy. maybe seluvis just leg it and killed pidia for loose ends
I believe there's a difference between the puppet body and the puppet spirit. I don't know how useful that information is, but the body of an imbiber of star shard potions remains seemingly comatose, while their spirit, and indeed whatever might have otherwise been a normal Spirit Ash becomes a bound spirit, summonable in the same fashion as Erdtree Spirit Ashes. So if Seluvis was controlling a puppet body to begin with, he would appear as a bound puppet spirit. The only possible exception is the Maiden who shows up at Radahn's festival. That seems to throw the idea into disarray as I believe it's possible to encounter the silent festival Maiden after gaining said Maiden's bound spirit. There's also Sellen maybe? She mentions that she's appearing as a projection (if I recall correct) but her third body in Seluvis's basement would seem to imply that one can both both a bound spirit AND a conscious being, although Seluvis doesn't have a puppet spirit of Sellen available so she might have escaped the whole process via her usual methods. Edit: I forgot about Pidia's killers. lol
Got a theory about the Ranni & Marika thing. So, with Godwyn, he has no soul, aight. That’s understood. Though he wasn’t the only demigod to die on the Black Knife plot. In accordance to the number of mausoleums, as well as vague dialogue from the old trailer as well as from a ghost in-game and item descriptions - it’s implied that at least seven other demigods, of whom were unwanted bastards of Marika, were also killed that night. Perhaps she wanted them dead, but this plot resulted in Godwyn and then them. Oh, and they all soulless too. They suffer from an improper death but are also kinda headless hence why their devoted warriors are headless.
I think you're right. She was okay with the others dying, maybe the ones with the bells were specifically her and radagons other kids which would explain why you can only duplicate certain remembrances at those mausoleums, but either way she was okay with them dying but I think godwyn dying wasn't part of her plan, and that's where ranni and Marika diverged in their Cooperation
i know right, literally the only explanation would be that he thought it would work anyway or didnt know she was a doll which are both ridiculous reasons
It could work because the potion is working in a magical metaphysical way. Its made of Starlight shards. What do we know about stars in this game? The potion allows someone to sieze control of another person's fate and control them like a puppet. Amber starlight is from amber hued stars. Amber hued stars are said to command the fates of gods. These potions don't work through chemical reactions they are more mystical in nature.
Yeah it's a potion of literal starlight and such, so I agree whos to say that it shouldn't work, and do we know if we actually get her to drink some of it or if she stops us before she ingests any of it. Because I wanna know more about this previous demigod who was turned into a puppet
Selivus having the tarnished's finger maiden maiden makes sense, as carians and the stars are often associated with Fate. And currently the lands between are in arrested state of Fate
naw its not the tarnisheds finger maiden that was a dumb thing for me to have said what i should have said she could have filled that role for the tarnished if seluvis hadnt turned her into a puppet. him having a finger maiden as a puppet isnt that surprising i mean hes a collector of course hed want one of them as like a trophy. i mean cmon turning a fingermaiden into a puppet has to be a big middle finger to the golden order
The frog people also seem to be Albunorics. Could Albunorics possibly be humanoid beings created by the other gods? And Alubnoric is short hand for "beings not of the Greater Will (Golden Order)? And a consequence is they are not quite finished as humanoids and are works in progress?
So wait...one point you're using to say that Pidia isnt the puppet master is that when Seluvis dies it throws off his servant Pidia's ability to control puppets and they kill him? Explain why Seluvis's body stays behind if isnt a puppet. Almost every single character in the game fades away after death and only in extremely rare special story related cases do the bodies stay behind. Id argue that the Seluvis body stays behind because its a puppet. Hell, its even in the same sitting position as all the other "currently not being used" puppets in the game. Explain why there is a spot in the puppet room that shows a Seluvis puppet that isn't there(because it's currently in the tower). Explain why Seluvis dies at the same time Pidia does as soon as Ranni leaves her tower. You said it's hard to believe Ranni doesn't know about Seluvis being a puppet. I'd argue she does know and is using Pidia/Seluvis for as long as they are useful. Just like she is using all the other members if her war council until they arent useful anymore. If you try to poison her with the amber starlight drought Seluvis/Pidia gives you she already knows what you're up to and tells you to fuck off. This is evidence that she knows what Pidia/Seluvis puppet is up to. She sure does makes sure she repays Pidias duplicity on her way out to follow her fate that's for sure.
i never said he wasnt a puppet body i only said i didnt think pidia was pulling any strings. for the characters fading away part sure, except for bernahl whos sword you can barter with after he dies, same with the shrine maiden lady, and sellens ball which i guess is still alive technically, but i said he had a puppet body multiple times in the video, the spot in the puppet ruin has an apostrophe indicating its referring to the jarwight puppet or the ones in the room behind the message or shit any of the puppets in the basement. and technically pidia doesnt die at the same time as seluvis. seluvis is autokilled insantly by either attempting to feed ranni the drought or giving her the fingerslayer, pidia on the other hand only dies when you go near that room. alot of these things im explaining i covered in the video, and i also said it was a theory. im not passing anything off as a fact. and exactly shes using them as pawns to get to wear she needs to be. and id argue she knows what hes up to because hes served her for insanely long and has an obsession with puppets so its obvious when you try togive her the drought that seluvis put you up to it, pidia is an albinauric whos almost dead as his legs dont work and they die soon after. and seluvis dies if you dont help him as well and that just indicates he tried to give it to her himself or maybe even had pidia do it(explaining why he got ripped to shreds) but thats just my take man
@@TheHonoredMadman I hear you. I really do. The Pidia thing just makes a whole lot more sense to me personally. Pidia isn't the most fleshed out character and I think that's why a lot of people would prefer the sarcastic asshole to be the one pulling the strings so to speak. With Pidia being the mastermind I don't have to explain away any loose ends you know? It just fits. There's no why do we never meet the real Seluvis? Why does Seluvis keep a puppet of himself? Why do Seluvis and Pidia die at the same time? Why is there a secret puppet room with a spot for a Seluvis puppet that says "dont touch"? Why is there a 2nd secret puppet master in a secret room directly behind the puppet master Seluvis's tower? Why is the Seluvis body in the exact same position as all the other inanimate puppets in game?
@@letsgitcrackin I mean yea maybe but there is no evidence to suggest that is what happened. What about when we find the Dolores puppet on Pidia's body? The Dolores puppet was Seluvis's favorite puppet. Why would he give it to Pidia? If we gave Nepheli the potion that turns her into a puppet we'll find the Nepheli puppet on Pidia's corpse. Why would Pidia have these two puppets? Well its because Seluvis has been a puppet the whole time and was being controlled by Pidia.
Really good video! Its a little bit off topic but I was thinking about the shattering war a bit and my main question for some time has been; "Why did Radahn and Malenia even fight?". There might be some reason that I have missed, but I feel like despite both of them being great warriors they don't come off as very power hungry at all in descriptions of them. I saw a theory that maybe Malenia suspected Radahn of stealing Miquella for some reason, and you COULD always just say "they are both great warriors so they fought to see who is best" or smth. However I think that probably the night of black knives is the reason. We basically have two lineages that are set up to fight; Rennalas Children and Marikas Children (Godrick is basically a lil bitch and people didn't know about Morgott/Mohg most likely). BOTH of these families lost someone to assassination, Ranni and Godfrey. I think the Night of Black Knives was set up so that both sides would have a reason to go to war with eachother. We know that Ranni let Rykard in on the plan at least to some degree (since she gave him the item that would let him fight Maliketh), but there's not indication that Radahn knew about her plans. Hence I think Radahn was made into a pawn that would stalemate/possibly kill Malenia (aka the strongest warrior on the other side). I think there's still some debate on who actually orchestrated the assasinations but I think it kinda fits. Anyway sorry for a long rambly ass comment but your bit about the Shattering War sparked something in my brain lol.
no worries i generally make rambly videos so i feel it, and you can probably rule out her thinking he stole miquella, because i think she didnt find out he was missing until she got brought back to the haligtree but i could be wrong but it is confusing as to why she didnt search for miquella afterwards when shes clearly in fighting shape. and i like the theory but im not too clear on why radahn imprisoned the stars, i assumed it was because his mom needed an edge over the academy after radagon left and they turned on her. as imprisoning the stars had adverse effect on sorcerers. its possible radahn fought her because of how his dad left his mom hanging and went to go have miquella and malenia, and malenia having red hair it could be like you said and they were fighting to see who was the better champion, but malenia repesents the haligtree which was trying to be free from the erdtree and im pretty sure radahn was either repping the erdtree or perhaps something different altogether as he learned from and alabaster lord and studied magic at sellia where nox monks also happened to chill at. i like to think he was loyal to his mom and liurnia but theres not much proof for that. as for malenia perhaps miquella needed radahn removed from play and saw him as a threat, malenia is essentially just miquellas weapon
@@TheHonoredMadman yeah I forgot about the fact that Radahn most likely was repping the Golden Order since he loved Godfrey so much. Maybe that's why Ranni let Rykard in on her plans but not Radahn. Also I'm pretty sure it's mentioned that Malenia was very fucked up the entire time Finlay carried her to the Haligtree from Caelid, most likely she needed those years of sleep until we showed up, or maybe she didn't even notice Miquella being gone, I feel like there's a lot of indication that some of his prescence is still around at the bottom of the tree.
Personally I think the Pi = Sul theory is just as strong as Miq = Trina theory. (Sans cut content as I don't believe that should ever be considered.) Which is to say it's interesting but there isn't enough to confirm its truth.
My least favourite character, together with Gideon. Overcompensating with stupid scheemes and big talk tryina hide how unveliabably mid he actually is. At least Gideon tries to go 1v1 against a demigod slayer. Edit: but having heard your points, I do gotta respect his will to fuck over at least one of the asshole demigods. Of course, the real ones for that are Poopoo man, Hyetta and Goldmask, for tryna topple over the whole pyramid.
A man of culture I prefer the mended rune endings the most as well. Age of stars is too vague for me, frenzied flame is too emo and nihilistic and the basic ending is like linking the fire in any of the ds games which is something I'd never support
@@TheHonoredMadman just a point, after you do the Age of Stars ending you can go back to Ranni's chamber in her rise and talk to miniature Ranni at the grace, there she explains in more details her end goal and plan for the future, which is to basically cockblock any outer gods from influencing the world while staying out of it herself, in short she wants to restore free will devoid of any alien influence, which is honestly what made me choose her ending, even though I hesitated between that one and Goldmask's mending rune one which also promises less influence from the outer gods
i am part of the group that found ur channel and binged the whole shit also idk if i am inebriated or ur jokes come outta no where and kill my laughing box every time
At no point did I allege that. The clip at the end is supposed to be ironic, him saying you'll grow to love any puppet after enough time getting use to it and I put the dung eater clip because I the dung eaters puppet description says it's utter despair invites people to care for it. I never said seluvis loved the dung eater puppet, he doesn't even acknowledge it lol
