I think we're out of the woods and in the clear on this now. I knew it was trouble when I made a video like this, but this subject would either last forever or go down in flames. Hopefully this doesn't cause any bad blood, but if it does, I'm just gonna shake it, sh sh sh shake it off. Eruption.
Eruption was, what, the second track off the first Van Halen album and guitarist are still obsessed with it and trying to figure it out forty years later? I see that Taylor has got that D chord just about mastered. Anybody inspired by Taylor can actually buy a guitar, go home, and be playing like her by dinner time. Maybe that’s the attraction.
I'm no Taylor swift fan whatsoever. But according to your logic, advanced technical ability and speed is what makes a good guitarist? Vai, Satriani and Malsteem are virtuosos, but have they ever created an album or songs that were REALLY GOOD songs, that other "simpler" artists have?
@@stupidazzo5404 Why people are just talking about technique or speed? Those things are not what virtuosos are 'only' focusing. And just because you can play very emotional and bluesy or jazzy song-so called good song that people are eagerly claiming*but don't get me wrong I love blues and jazz guitarists-, that doesn't make you a good guitarist. And if you search for those guitarists then you would find their amazing albums. Don't underrate them. Yngwie got his classical view on playing. Listen to Rising Force. It is very enormous and neo classical metal style. And Vai, he can make very progressive sound. Passion and Warfare, it is masterpiece. Satriani to me he is a very fresh and inspiring guitarist, he made great album too. Like Surfing With The Alien.
Dude, I seriously doubt Van Halen got so big merely on the merit of the quality of the composition... rock music was topping charts, they had the visual flair for MTV, which dictated trends... if Eruption was composed today, unfortunately, it would get lost in the shuffle. Unless it was Taylor Swift playing it.
She has a performance of “I almost do” on the RED tour where she plays multiple barre chords. I’m sure she can play better than she does on stage, she just keeps it simple so that she doesn’t have to look down at the guitar (focus on the audience) and so there’s a lower chance of messing up. She’s a pop artist who prides herself on her songwriting first and foremost. She’s not an expert, either, but she’s definitely not the beginner/poser people make her out to be.
The Dawguns bruh I know a couple of days after I bought my first guitar the shitty strap I had broke while I was walking back from my friends house and my hands were full so I couldn't catch it... right onto concrete, got a giant chip and a few minor ones... nothing else but yeah my heart sank a bit
Hey... stupid... nobody said she could "beat" him. It's not about comparing talent. Fuck, you people are dumb. They just said that they both inspire people to pick up a guitar. That's it. How is so much of this comment section too stupid to understand such a simple fucking premise?
Taylor Swift's influence on guitarists: Has one signature baby Taylor guitar model. -_- Eddie Van Halen's influence: killer licks, amazing grasp on pentatonics, unreal improvisation skills, tunes to remember, each show was art and entertaining, the passion he demonstrated through his guitar playing, is probably in the top 5 for any aspiring guitarist of the last few decades.
Taylor Swift is just wrong. If I had a daughter and she wanted to see kickass women playing guitar I'd show her Nancy Wilson of Heart or Orianthi ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-G7b-_YcACuQ.html
Maybe I can say: After I see Taylor, I wanna buy a guitar cause it seems easy. After I see Van Halen, I just wanna throw my guitar cause he's actually playing the GUITAR while I'm playing the broom
In Swift's case, she is a rather good guitar player, but it's just not central to her music in the way that it is for rock. The guy that gave her lessons was apparently hired for multiple hours a week, for a significant amount of time. That's pretty intense, and she is an accomplished musician. But as a general statement I'd agree.
ryebread 07 Prince was a Pop (More of an R&B, but still Pop) artist, and he was a guitarist. So, I don't think Swift was the first Pop star to play guitar.
Remember that Eddie Van Halen to blossomed into a confident musician. He began as an insecure child who refused to share a stage with Steve Lynch or anyone else doing the “tapping thing” Barrios was doing tapping and Harp harmonics in the 20s. Eddies genius was not his technical guitar virtuosity, but rather and amalgamation of his understanding of electronics, production and showmanship. Taylor Swift has break up songs… Anything can be framed in a bad light, however, in an age where are the guitar is pushed further and further out of the main stream, any ability to bring it back on stage is praiseworthy.
Clearly this video is angled to make T.Swift look bad. This doesn’t show any of her accomplishments as a guitarist. Including when she wrote Eruption for Eddie, found David Lee Roth herself, and even bought Eddie his first guitar...she is clearly a guitar god
I respect her as an artist. She's done well for herself and can write a catchy tune.... but fuck no, she cannot play guitar anywhere near as good as Eddie Van Halen. Its a silly comparison.
she does! back in her first few albums when her music was still nice at least!! her old songs had that country music feel to it unlike the new ones T.T
This showing up in my recommended in 2021 and me rolling my eyes at the way the media has *always* and still sets her up for this shit. Yes she inspires young people to learn guitar, and not as a pop star even in my experience/opinion, but as a SINGER SONG WRITER and *not* as an out of this world guitarist that she never claimed to be. So your comments are valid, and I get that you're being sarcastic but I also get why some(wild swifties) would come for you because I don't feel she deserves even ironic criticism for something she's never claimed or tried to be? It would be more accurate to say "who tf compared her to VAN HALEN? She's a great accompaniment guitarist."
@@Ass_of_Amalek she is inspiring millions to play guitar. She's the second most used artist to learn how to play guitar (just after the beatles). That's what the comparison was about, she's *as inspiring*, not as good as Van Halen
@@Ass_of_Amalek even if she is not good at it. She still use that limited skill to sell hundred millions of albums from the song she wrote with the guitar. While you? Self-acclaimed accomplished guitarist with no shit to your name and only go online baiting women?
Logan Sigler Wow I envious of you. Metallica is great. Taylor is, well funny thing is i have not told story that country singer can't play guitar, just decent guitar player. She is not great guitar technician, but people compare her to great rock guitar musician, poor Eddie. I think that is very ridiculous.
I will say this. I teach guitar, bass, and piano at Guitar Center, and I've seen more and more girls come in who want to learn guitar who were inspired by Taylor Swift, but I've exposed them to classic rock, blues, and jazz players which has kept them wanting to pursue guitar more. I'm not stating that she is better than Eddie, that's obviously not true, but if she's encouraging more people to play the guitar than that's okay in my book.
??? You seriously compair those with Eddie Van Halen??? In 50 years noone will remember any of those 2, but Eddie will still be remembered, just like Jimi Hendrix
so you started playing GUITAR for girls who'd publish TRASH in YOUR name whenever you face a misunderstanding? and knowing that the race of this trash admirers are increasing everyday? play careful in life, bruh :/
The First time I saw Van Halen do Eruption live in 79 ,I did`t know who he was . I was like who is this guy , Holy Shit . I was hooked . Taylor Swift , not so much .
I think they’re both very talented in their own right. Van Halen is a personal favourite of mine, and to be completely fair they’re incomparable, both being _very_ different genres. Either way it doesn’t matter. What matters is that both of them have inspired new generations to pick up guitars. I got inspired by Johnny Marr, another god of guitar from the 80s. Met him once, too. My point here is that music is very much alive.
You’re the only person watching this video with a brain. God forbid people acknowledge both artists for their capabilities. Thank you sir. We need more people like you in the music community
i recently discovered your channel...when i read the title i thought this was gonna be the perfect way to asses you...at first i thought, you'd just go easy on taylor or even praise her "skills" since they're way too many taylor fans...but you did an awesome job of exposing the dirt of today's music from the real deal (van halen). kudos to you man! you got another subscriber.
I’d argue that post Malone is doing more for the guitar than her. Yes he’s a rapper but he can actually play the guitar fairly well and he regularly plays and sings in front of audiences.
I think Malone is pretty much the same case as Taylor, definitely not more though lol. In any live set she's played for over a decade she plays all or at least a few of her songs acoustic. By her third album she became pretty great as a live accompaniment guitarist, and Malone is cool for playing live when he can too, but that's not the same category as Van Halen which is FINE! It's a different kind of inspiring.
In all seriousness I actually did pick up the guitar when I was 13 because of Taylor Swift. However a different musician made me pick up an electric guitar, and that's John Frusciante after hearing RHCP songs from my dad.
There's nothing wrong with liking her music. She seems like a nice person and she seems very talented. It's just that guitar doesn't seem to be her forte.
Idk how to process this.. i think we need to seriously revive rock ballads so little boys dont have to watch pussy guitar to be introduced to the instrument.. its a crisis
@@freeyoutube8298 i mean i agree reviving rock ballads is never abad idea but any source that inspires anyone to pick up a creative outlet, such as instruments or art or writing is fine?, maybe if more people are inspired by their own respective idols to pick up instuments, more bands will be formed to create rock ballads...
Actually, my nieces wanted to learn how to play guitar because of pop artists like Taylor Swift and Ed Sheeran. Even Sheeran's stuff is a little complicated for them at the moment. It's just easily digestible pop music. Simply chords. Not really many lead parts. But, the kids love Taylor. They're young so they may grow out of it eventually. At the moment, I'm just glad someone caught their attention even if it isn't someone with amazing, flashy guitar skills like Van Halen. I mean, think about it. Who would you relate to more if you were a 10-year-old girl? Some guy that shreds all day every day, or a young woman that you can kind of identify with? I'm not a fan of Taylor's music, but she reaches the kids. We older guitar players don't have to understand it.
oppositeofme1 To be fair, Sheeran is a talented singer and songwriter. You should let them learn acoustic with the prompt "if you want to get as good as Ed is you've got to practice a lot, cause that's why he's so good"
To be fair, Ed Sheeran's guitar pieces are a lot more complex than Taylor Swift's, I feel as though she has basically just chords where as Ed has different techniques of playing rather than just strumming..
Taylor's songs are more complex than van halen's, and let's not even get into the lyrics. Eddie would probably respect her as much as he respected mj, probably more.
Man tbh this is why I'm staying away from the guitar community even tho I love guitar and I play it. It's this elitist. "i'm better than everyone", attitude that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It's not just considering a certain genre bad, it's being so arrogant and thinking your favourite genre is the best. I just wanna jam some metal and have a good time without people shitting on pop and country and thinking metal is 10 times better. All genres are equally good, just cause I like chocolate doesn't mean vanilla sucks for example. Too bad how a community turns you away from things your passionate about... Someone, NOT Taylor herself, made an article and wrote a troublesome title to get views. Why should we make fun of TS and thrash her when she had nothing to do with this article? Maybe she's not the best shredder but she's a good musician overall and shitting on her for something someone else wrote is just yikes man.
I love this comment. You hit the nail on the head, why trash Taylor Swift when she had nothing to do with the article? Make fun of the article, point out how ridiculous the comparison is when Taylor is a skilled musician NOT a guitarist the like of Van Halen, but shitting on Taylor feels like giving merit to this clickbait article by someone else who made the claim? And this attention to the media narrative to shit on Taylor is what perpetuates how much hate she's received for years.
Exactly they’re acting like she said that. And they compared vids w her on acoustic. Like what’s she supposed to do you can’t shred on an acoustic lmfao
it's literally impossible for this take right here to come from any kind of musician. any musician can tell that she just plays all instruments really unprofessionally. it's not a matter of genre, it's just normal musical professionalism. you can play what she plays professionally, you can play a one string guitar peofessionally, but she doesn't. 95% of buskers on the street play their instruments much more professionally than taylor swift, including those who only strum a guitar to accompany their singing. she's just not good, she has absolutely no dynamics and frequently noticably sloppy rhythm. and of course a moderately professional singer-songwriter-guitar player would write their accompaniment a good bit less monotonous in the first place, because they'd be able to play a bit more varied.
Taylor is a completely different thing from Eddie, he’s a damn legend and even Taylor has her way to inspire people and the other types of people that prefer pop to rock
to quote Mr Tyler again, "there's a different between a pop star who make you want to PICK UP the guitar because they're famous & popular and someone who really inspire you to PLAY the instrument" (that's mostly the idea, not 100% what he said)
she's not even close to where EVH is at when it comes to guitar skills, that article was stupid as fuck. but what's also pretty dumb it pitting 2 completely different artists together. she is not a guitarist. she is a country/pop/folk singer who has learnt to play since a young age. she probably didn't spend that much time learning picking or legitimate rock music patterns, but she has her own set of skills to offer as well. her songwriting is incredibly good, and if you think that "she only writes about breakups" you would be hilariously wrong. not to mention the number of genres she's dwindled in skillfully. yes, she will never (EVER) be the next EVH but trashing her because of the pop songs you've heard on the radio would be stupid. bet you haven't heard even one non-single off her folklore and evermore albums. or even any non-marketed TS song ever. if you don't like her music, that's fine, but why shit on an artist who is pretty good at what they do?
THIS!! This video pissed me off because his comments are valid but I'm like.... why was the comparison EVER made?! It's literally just to give people an opportunity to shit on her for... not being something she never was? Taylor herself would laugh at the comparison but people give it merit and then use it to trash her and not realise her skills as a lyricist and artist. No wonder people spent so many years hating her when the media was spewing crap to intentionally make her look bad.
he only shit on her guitar playing because her guitar playing is bad. it's acceptable for an amateur, but it's nowhere near professional. not just what she plays, but how she plays it. she has no feel at all and mediocre rhythm. she plays how you'd expect somebody at a random hangout or a bad performer at a pub to play.
I will say a a 17 year old male who loves jazz, funk, rock, and blues that Taylor Swift was absolutely one of the reasons that i picked up a guitar. Not for her superb skills or anything, but more of a realization like "oh if she learn guitar and write these simple hit songs with 4 chords, then i can learn or or write songs with 5 chords, or 6 chords, or a guitar solo, or 7th chords, etc...".
Bold And Brash I'm a 15 year old girl and I actually used to a huge Taylor Swift fan when I was about 9, until I found real music, haha. But, in a way, I definitely was inspired by her to start learning guitar.
As a musician and in a locally famous band myself, i know for a fact, that eddie has a skill level that she would never ever reach. i actually have one of his staged played guitars in my studio, but i needed to have the sound that he had, so, i also bought a EVH overdrive petal, and a EVH 5150 III S amp stack and cab to just have those sounds and tones that he loved so much!.
It was a joke, hello. We all know she's no Eddie Van Halen on guitar. Still, she can play. She can also play banjo, mandolin and piano. Just because her music isn't what I like personally doesn't mean I don't respect the fact that she has some talent.
I picked guitar because of shredders like Alexi Laiho, Kerry King, Marty Friedman, Yngwie Malmsteen. Emotional guitarists like David Gilmour, Jimi Hendrix. Riff gods like Tony Iommi. But I will never believe, that somebody has picked guitar because of these commercials trashes like Taylor Swift, Lil Wayne or Nick Jonas...
Daniel Springer I've heard few of his songs. He is so fucking good and charismatic, but sorry bro - personally I think, he is not enough emotional comparing him to David Gilmour from Pink Floyd. For example, Soothsayer can't win with Shine On You Crazy Diamond - Gilmour made his guitar almost cry.
idk man, they don't have a 40 minute one take album, 167 is dedicated to his mom who passed, you hear him cry at one point, my favorite about buckethead though is that he can shed, but like he just never has a wrong note, i notice when even slash starts shredding like super fast sometimes its just a mash of notes that just kinda sounds like nonsense, but when he does it its very harmonic
I've been playing guitar for almost 10 years now and I have found most people would rather just "play" guitar, rather than be inspired and create their own music. I've come across tons of great "players" but you ask them to write a song and they can't, or it's nothing special. One of the biggest joys in my life is creating music in hopes of inspiring others to create music, not just pick up a guitar and play guitar. In this day and age, we have a lack of inspiring musicians and surplus of guitar players.
Totally agree, moms boyfriend hears me working on my 16th note chugging or just a random melody and comes downstairs to teach me how to play sweet home Alabama and says "you need to learn some songs" wanna be like yo I'm trying to make my own songs not learn somebody else's...
Agree 100%. Lots of people pick up a guitar and start learning songs for the sake of looking cool or attracting the ladies. Some people think they're great guitar players but really they just know popular songs. Ask them to improvise or even just to play a harmonic minor scale and they can't. Being a beginner is one thing, but if they don't bother to learn anything else then they're doing it just to seem cool. I've been playing for 6 years and I find myself playing my own stuff most of the time.
True, but lucky Taylor swift is exist and she writes her own songs and she known about that and it makes a lot of kids(like me) to write songs and creat music. There are a lot of singers today who just sing but not write what they sing but Taylor swift is not one of them.
The Borax Kid In my own experience I don't lack inspiring musicians. It's more artists inspiring me to write music rather than on a specific instrument. There are certainly less explicitly talented instrumentalists, but they still can inspire people.
People want to start somewhere. People that just want to shred aren't going to find other people to work with. The guitar solo went away from mainstream because they started to sound the same. Punk and most country songs are three basic chords per song. Those inspired by taylor Swift could move on to works by Lita Ford, Nancy Wilson, Samantha Fish and Bonnie Raitt.
Master Yoda Nah, firstly he is a rhythm guitarist, he's not posing as a lead guitarist like Taylor. Secondly, even though for the Most part ac dc's songs are simple, there are a lot of nuances that Taylor would break her hands trying to play. And I agree that for the most part Malcolm does play stuff that's simple and sounds good, BUT I wouldn't say that AC DC are simple and sound good. Have you ever tried to play an Angus Young solo? Like the second solo from ride on. Or even the intro to thunderstruck, with EVERY note being picked. In top of all that, when Taylor plays a few chords, it's one chord in a boring predictable strumming pattern, until the next chord arrives and the boring strumming pattern continues. If I said to you "remember the guitar parts in Taylor swifts song" you wouldn't be able to. they're not memorable. It's just air filler for when she sings. If it was the guitar on its own, nobody would listen. Whereas when ac dc have a few chords, they put effort in to make a riff that sounds memorable, before the singing even comes into consideration. AC/DC are a pretty weird thing to compare to Taylor Swifts air filler crap
anyone who has any real educated perspective on why EVH was important youll understand why taylorswift just isnt the same and no not even just for playing technique and style. people were already picking the guitar up in both cases, evh just changed the way a guitar could be played or modded and seen in general as an instrument. taylor swift is gettin credit just for being a chick who plays XD
yeah, evh is guilty in making super-fast-non-melodic-in-any-way shredding over-popular among guitar players. there were other guys, who played fast, but look - eddie is tapping! and shredding even faster than all others! and so on
@LukeV Cut it out. You know damn well who Taylor Swift is. And even if you didn't, you could've either googled it or watched this video. I've been seeing this weird little trend a lot lately. Where people pretend they don't know a famous person, but make it painfully obvious that they do.
I dont know why people are so obessed with comparing two different artist ? Damn they both have 180 genre differences I still think she is quite great guitarist in this era while most current singers don't even bother to pick
Seeing her robotic 'strumming' just makes me want to take her guitars from her. If you want to inspire young people to play guitar, show them Orianthi. She's amazing.
I feel like she shows it is still a viable instrument but I think her fans as well as most modern listeners view the guitar as purely an accompanying instrument while they sing. I feel the ones who sing keep learning and the ones who don't drop both endeavors all together.
Exactly! And she never even claimed to be a legendary guitarist. Playing intricate solos isn't necessary to what she wants to show the world, which is her songwriting. People in this comment section act like she doesn't know what she's doing, but she's made millions through her music, even before she became a full blown popstar.
and Eddie has done all of this, and more for many years and cannot read a note of music... pretty fucking impressive to me. taylor swift..., aint so swift..., it does'nt take as much talent, skill etc as it used to, to break into the music biz these days... or to become a world wide popular legend.... Most who did it before the late 80s, did it the hard way... the true way... all since then are simply cheap, knock-off punks who's fame has only come from the zombification of the internet
funny how you're judging Taylor when you don't know how hard she's been working to get to where she is now. do some research, will you? every artist (no matter how "fake" their guitar skills are) has been through some hard times. don't be so salty just because the music people like today isn't your favourite. learn to respect artists outside your taste.
