Is Tekken 8 Easy to Learn? 

Idk man, it's frustrating to me to be losing by getting knowledge checked by gimmicks repeatedly. I'm definitetly having a better time when I know the matchup win or lose. Feels more like I'm playing my opponent than just the game.

100% agreed to this​@@zato-1766

That's something only veterans say, because it's only fun being a noob if either everyone else is a noob aka will never happen again unless a brand new genre comes out, or you are a veteran at the genre and are a "noob" at a new game in said genre, aka you're not a noob.

I love this advice a lot honestly. When I was a little younger, I was so caught up in my own pride that I felt seriously discouraged if I tried something new and didn't immediately get it. Enjoying the process of discovery took a long time for me to reach, but nowadays I just let go of my ego when I pick up hobbies; the fun is found in the act of practice and celebrating each small improvement I notice.

I have fun learning and improving because I don't have an ego at that point. Once you develop an ego, it becomes hard to improve or see your mistakes so it becomes tilting.

100%. First tekken in like 15 years but it was only fitting it was the first fighting game I play on ps5 cos the original was my first ever fighting game. Anyway I've been doing pretty good but boy I definitely get my ass kicked regularly enough... still having a ball getting better though!

I played tekken 7 on and off. Just got tekken 8 last night and immediately noticed how much better it was.Amazing

@@data9594 I dont think I've ever wanted or had the tools to improve my skills as much as this before t8. It's at the point now where I'm watching back my RU-vid videos at work to see where I can improve and watching opponents animations and how they affect my fighter

@@bilbo_gamez6195 dude I wish I knew fighting games earlier. I started with sf5 and sf6 last year, jumped over to mk1 und pre purchased tekkie 8. it is a great game with lot of mechanics and techniques. I don't care about the negative comments cuz in my eyes... tekken 8 is just amazing

Unless you're knee. The man was born knowing every character

@@RexOedipus. is Knee really that good? i always see his name when i type every character gameplay on youtube

Yea agreed. Obviously cut a lot out to make this short, but things def carry over (don’t think I’d be doing well if they didn’t) I think the consensus is they just carry over less cause the game is so knowledge heavy

@@Diaphone For sure. Getting through the early to mid ranks is hardest because most people don't even know what their own character does, much less the other 31. Learning all that is what makes Tekken so great.

Exactly. I'm trying to learn how to sidestep in tekken now, but the combos and setups I already know how to do are so fun that I don't feel like practing yet hahaha. Btw I guess the Raven's string you are talking about is b2,2,1+2 but not knowing the exact input to be able to block it proves your point

@@wrcaiowrFunny enough, I play raven and just my brain forgot the input but my bands know it LOL

2d fighters train you to crouch block. In tekken you need a very specific reason to crouch otherwise your getting blown up.

I certainly love that new people are here, but I want them to quickly get mashing trained out of their minds because they're lowkey driving me crazy. I need them all humbled and ready to learn properly so we can go back to great and skillful matches

I'm at assailant and literally like 3 people played "actual Tekken", offense is exponentially easier to learn than defense and I say this as a Jun where I have b32 and uf43 as evasive launchers. Tekken 7 had peaks of ~11k on steam in its lifetime, Tekken 8 has 32k with a peak of nearly 50k on launch, something tells me not everyone wants to play "honest fundamental Tekken"

@@axis8396 You sound just like the Street Fighter community last year. "Actual Tekken". Please... It's a game.

@axis8396 Oh absolutely. We're in a phase where we kind of have to sit here and deal with the scummy spammers who think they can pick up a character and just rapidly press buttons. I had to play a Devil Jin recently who was rapidly spamming his Fly dive attack Heat Engager and if it didn't work he would spam the living dogshit out of every grab in his arsenal. And I'm talking SPAM, he would grab me with the exact same grab after I earned it was a basic one and broke it twice into instantly grabbing me again with a 1+2 grab and then instantly grabbing me with a specific input grab. I'm not a bad player, having gotten to Tekken God Prime with Lei Wulong in Tekken 7, but the absolute culture shock of going from honest Tekken to Tekken 8 is driving me mentally insane. My friend who plays an extremely honest Kazuya has suggested that we just match their energy and spam them out so they either quit or learn to play honest Tekken, and I might just do it at this point, because trying to be honest and do punishes and combos when the enemy is just spamming strings nonstop has kept me in green and yellow ranks since launch day and it makes me feel like utter horseshit. I don't want to play like a scumbag but if it's what we need to do to condition the newcomers and make them respect the game, I'll do it

​@@scottiecurrie7927You reached TGP with a character in T7, you should have your defensive fundamentals covered. Strings are most definitely punishable, losing to button mashers just means that you don't know your character by heart YET. I'd rather play "boring" defensive tekken and WIN, than try to get my turn via a launcher and keep losing to the same move that has frame advantage.

its funny how instinctive it will always be for you once you get it. I haven't played T7 for like 3 years and picked it up with T8 again and I am just subconsciously blocking snake edges and react blocking kazuya's mids after just a few days. Remember that what seems daunting today might just be second nature 2 days later.

@@littlekale got my Jun to Vanquisher a little while ago, pretty happy with that since I haven't played in like 6 years. Prolly try Lili next, plus her cat is named Salt which is just perfect

Most snake edges also have pretty limited range, if you keep the opponent from being on top of you is a bit of an option select.

What in the world is a snake edge?

@@smugdarkly it's a low sweep where they duck really low so it high crushes, it tracks both ways and launches. They also usually don't need to come out of a stance, they recover really low to the ground, and how much range they have varies a bit per character. They're usually a little slowish and are death on block, but they can fk you if they throw it out just as your doing a high. Called snake edge because Bryan had the first one on T3 and that's what it was called.

Eddie Gordo did this on TTT back in the day. Anyone could jump in, mash kicks and have a good time.

It's much much harder to fight against somebody who has hundreds of moves that aren't just juggle fillers. Defense is so much harder than offense in this game.

​@@NYG5defense is way harder then offense, completely right. Other then that, you never get to use all moves, in the end you play around with 15-25 moves, that are really essential for your gameplay, everything else is just bonus (usually bad moves) which you can use to surprise your opponent or die for it ;)

Well, there aren't actually a lot of moves. Its kind of fake in a sense. Ofc when you're learning 30 characters it can be daunting but when you actually look at the movelist, a lot of them are throws, some are copied in the heat section. Some of them are just strings but continued, so it'll be 2,2,3. Then 2,2,3,4. Or its 2,2,4. So, its the same string but it ends differently or extends into a different move. Then theres other moves that should only be used in combos because they don't mixup, they don't heat engage, they don't mixup, they're just bad and only useable in combos. I think the actual movelist complexity comes when you look at stance changes. So, it'd be like 2,2,f, into a stance. Or you can do 2,2,d, into a different stance. Or you just continue the string or stop the string. So, for new players, not only is it hard to smoothly use these stance transitions but its also hard to predict the enemy when you have that. Then add on top the stance complexities like how Reina's heaven's wrath stance will parry while heat is active. But the actual raw numbers of moves, I don't think is a big deal.

its what makes it exciting though

@@Methos_having to break through a brick wall of info just to START to learn this encyclopedia of a game is fun to you? I returned this game after about two days its a chore to learn this shit.

@@Banner18OnTheWay I mean, I already know how to read people, space, punish, counterhit, etc from other fighting games. I'm not starting with 0 knowledge.

@@Methos_ I was referring to how it feels from someone in my shoes. Its not worth 70$ usd to pay for get my ass kicked 50 times in a row simulator. Not a fun experience.

@@Banner18OnTheWay Just fight ghosts instead tbh. Also, if you haven't gone through arcade quest I 100% recommend it

u learn more about the game by blocking and observing instead of attacking and u also need to practise alot

try learning a few key moves 2 mixup strings (that also led to counter hit) 2 punishment (10frame punish and 13-15frame punish) 2 launcher 2 combo (1 for wall carry, 1 for wall splat) learn it one by one and you will notice that your game started to improve a lot. DONT try to remember all the strings, its just useless

Coming from Mortal Kombat here, I can say I spent time in practice and now I’m a serious trouble all the way to eliminator rank

There are quite a few tekken universals, like you said, a standing 15f-ish df2 launcher, 13f df1, a 15f ws launcher, snake edges, high crush moves, your heavy swing +f on block downward chopping moves or WR forward charging moves, df1,4 mid high strings, etc. Some characters can have particularly good versions or bad versions of all these kinds of tools, so that aids in recognizing things right off the bat, and moves oftentimes have similar properties. If you block a move but then the opponent interrupts your 14f follow up move, it usually means that move was a high since mids are balanced by usually having your turn end by being around -6 of block. Once you understand the core of what the game tries to offer and balance, you can adjust faster and faster to everything. Almost no move is god tier, so once you stop panicking you can figure out the counter measure one way or another.

I am pretty sure diaphone knows what a knowledge check is lol

Probably part of why they decided to move the game balance from defence towards offence.

Most players don't use 30 moves, important part is knowing the strong moves which takes time, that's the whole point if you want to get good at the game. You gonna need to study for it

@@tousawa808 right most wont use 30 moves but you might fight 5 different people using the same character and all 5 might have different preferences for which of their 100 moves they want to use

@@tousawa808 If a good player notices that you haven't done your homework, he will knowledge checks you to death until you learn, the greater the number of moves we use, the more difficult it is for the opponent to to get used to it, even the weakest blow used rarely creates surprise because the opponent does not expect it, and in many cases he has no knowledge of this move, this is the beauty of tekken 👍

"I fear not the man who has practiced 100 moves once, but I fear the man who has practiced one move 100 times." - Marshall Law

You won't get anywhere with that, it limits your options once you enable it and the other player can see you have it on. Not to mention they do less damage too.

Also if they are spamming electrics you can just duck and punish.

It is often easier to play against people who only spam one move than a unga bunga player. You can sidestep to the left, bait and whiff punish or duck to punish it, it is high remember it. It is a strong move but it has weakness too

@@ViperDivinity Lol yeah, I know that. Reina and her electric were just my examples. Something that removes the competitiveness of a ranked ladder.

The meta in 8 is actually very similar to League of Legends it requires a lot of knowledge of for example the movelist and timings and also skill techniques such as parrying Heat crush is useful as it's good for counterattacks Anyway

Matchup knowledge is 100% the most important thing in Tekken. You can have the worst execution in the world and absolutely god awful movement and still get far as long as you know the matchup (just learning how to punish your opponents moves will probably get you to red ranks). Just to prove my point I’ve been playing Dragunov for nearly 15 years, (though I haven’t played him in this game yet, I’ve only played Lee) I know everything there is to know about that character and I still got absolutely massacred by a new Dragunov player on day one spamming his new stuff because I didn’t know the matchup (same thing with all the new characters). You don’t need to know every single nuance of every character but just being able to do things like block Snake Edges and low parry Junkyard on reaction will help immensely.

I don't get how it's easy to learn - to be any decent at the game you need to know every character throughout AND what's the most efficient way to punish them

learning anything in general isn't easy, it's always a hard work but in the end you're supposed to enjoy the process it's like getting better at chess

but if you just autopilot matches without analyzing what's happening you will learn nothing even after 1000 wins in ranked

Easy to learn. Hard to master. Any person can go into tekken and within a week could understand basic combos and juggles. They would have fun playing against others on their level. But if you want to master it then you would need to understand match ups and framedata. I got to red ranks and I don't know any match ups or how to punish lots of characters. I just have fundamental knowledge that I've had since tekken 6. People learn at their own pace and if they want to get to the next level it would just take extra effort. It's a good game for begginers with a welcoming community imo.

I can do the normal wind god fist but not the electric one. I'm on a ps5 controller and do have a fight stick, do you have any advice or eureka moment when you figure out the timing? I'm just doing it by accident like 5% of the time.

@@emodojo7692 You have to input the 2 earlier than you'd think. What worked for me is trying to press 2 when I feel I hit down rather than df, and of course practice makes perfect.

​@@emodojo7692 Df and 2 has to be inputted at the exact same frame. It is gonna be challenging to learn your timing. You can get electrics more consistently if you try pressing 2 before inputting d and df during crouch dash (cd)

After they figure that out and start grabbing 😂

You all should try holding backing button... Auto Guard has a weird interaction with string inputs.

Yea, and it transitions well to leverless controller down the road

Ppl that only play Smash Bros and MK are in for a rude awakening

Practice sway motions

You're either holding down too long or you're pressing down forward. It all needs to be in a light motion where you can see the character do a forward sway.

I’m a beginner and I’ve used asuka and have 90% of her moves memorized but it’s difficult to use her effectively, i want to main xiaoyu but ofc learning her requires a lot what are some tips for using xiaoyu & learning how to use her if you have any?

@@blackdiamond097 You should first focus on their strongest moves, their poke, launchers and the bread and butter combo's. If you learn the entire move list just to use them you won't know what's good or when to use them. For example her f1+2 is a good move, forces heat and is armored and safe on block, they have to duck it to dodge it. I don't play xiaoyu but she can be more demanding cuz of her stances, I recommend you go watch mr croft video, very good pro player, pretty much masters xioayu, he released a full 100% guide on her 1 day ago.

@@blackdiamond097 Don't waste your time learning entire movesets from the beginning. Look up some guides on key moves to learn like your punishes, mixups, pokes. Limiting what you use will make your gameplan a lot simpler, and make it easier to learn. Then when you feel comfortable start studying the move list and throw in some more moves to refine your playstyle.

@@blackdiamond097Watch mr croft recent xioayu guide, he is one of the best with her. I wrote a different reply but that one got removed for some reason

Exactly, I have no clue what the ranks mean at this point. I don't really care because 90% of the matches I've played so far have been completely awesome. Even when you lose it just feels super fun to battle someone.

The answer is at the start, you dash back, dash back, dash back...until you are the furthest from your opponent while saying "oh shit, oh shit, oh shit..." then have a staring contest until one of you gets bored and try to run up close and actually start the fight.

I got the game for around $60 off a site for Steam key redistributors. If you play on console just wait a bit for used copies off eBay from casuals who only played for the story or who couldn't surmount the high learning curve. There's no reason to get the season pass now unless you're super serious about the game and learnng every new matchup as soon as the character is out. (although I'll sometimes buy a season pass even for a game I don't play because it's the best value for having a full roster -- but like you said, so many games out now that I don't do that with just any FG anymore)