100%. First tekken in like 15 years but it was only fitting it was the first fighting game I play on ps5 cos the original was my first ever fighting game. Anyway I've been doing pretty good but boy I definitely get my ass kicked regularly enough... still having a ball getting better though!
@@data9594 I dont think I've ever wanted or had the tools to improve my skills as much as this before t8. It's at the point now where I'm watching back my RU-vid videos at work to see where I can improve and watching opponents animations and how they affect my fighter
@@bilbo_gamez6195 dude I wish I knew fighting games earlier. I started with sf5 and sf6 last year, jumped over to mk1 und pre purchased tekkie 8. it is a great game with lot of mechanics and techniques. I don't care about the negative comments cuz in my eyes... tekken 8 is just amazing
As a new player, it's so hard and I have no idea what I'm doing. It was hard getting into guilty gear strive and Street fighter 6 too but not as hard as tekken
try learning a few key moves 2 mixup strings (that also led to counter hit) 2 punishment (10frame punish and 13-15frame punish) 2 launcher 2 combo (1 for wall carry, 1 for wall splat) learn it one by one and you will notice that your game started to improve a lot. DONT try to remember all the strings, its just useless
The replay system is so good with the tips. i watched a replay vs a guy to show friend and suddenly saw tips pop up like holy shit thats crazy. Also ghosts is hella cool.
Sometimes its funny to see beginners to pick up steve and trying to kick or hit someone who is laying on the ground, it makes me see myself when I first picked up steve.
The hardest character is honestly the character you don’t play and practice, Tekken imo is easy because it just gives you so many opportunities to learn a character and it happens fast af, I’m not saying it’s pick up and become a pro but I’m saying it’s definitely welcoming for those willing to learn to play it
my advice is just mash, you won't know what the properties of your moves are or their moves are or what they look like until you see what happens and gradually you will find out and later you will have to learn how to play defense and get around others block either by discovering for yourself or look at a character guide having someone point out which of the moves is good for what. but there's no point into grinding those things before you get a general sense of the buttons and what the moves looks like, so initially it's just about soaking up the game by feeling it out. visual library and muscle memory are 2 things you don't have and it's gonna suck if you expect too much out of yourself early on.
There is no barrier on tekken which even noobies can just pick and mash button for every moves to come out. Unlike SF6, it has first barrier which noob has to learn special moves in order to perform cool moves. But of course, modern control existed for them to skip this part
Not gonna lie, Tekken is the most technical fighting game of all time, with the 8 being even more difficult due to how much the heat system gives you, but they give players so many Tools to improve that at this point the only excuse is "I don't want to improve"
I feel like learning Tekken is a bigger pain because there's just a lot of weird stuff like memorizing King's chain grab inputs or learning to do electrics (granted, kind of easy if you just blow money on a hitbox.)
It's hard to learn but to Namco's credit T8 is the easiest to learn due to the playable replay and deep practice mode. I only miss unlimited rematch functions from T7 so you can keep playing that obscure character to figure them out
We all know i can do the same thing in low level street fighter. If you look at bronze street fighter you are watching a different game in the game. Btw, the game does not advertise this much, for… obvious reasons…. The first rank in this game is warrior, you cannot lose points up to that rank.
Tekken is way harder the most 2d games, you are bombarded with to much knowledge checks when starting. Granblue you can easily reach S rank with a basic combo/offense and just blocking/guard break since you won't be finding crazy mixups for 90% of the cast and in low rank they also won't use it in characters that have that. Tekken feels like every opponent is Arakune or Zato
Tekken is the hardest fighting game I've ever mastered. I've gotten really good at it, played tk7 for like 4 years and i just wanna give an advice to all the new players. You guys just need to play more, no need to lab all the characters, just lab a bit yours at first. Learn combos and try to optimise them on different maps or in a real match. Frame data may be too much for someone, so just start by finding your character's plus on block moves and learn how to use them. What helped me was actually playing with a friend that was way ahead of me in skill, so not only i learned matchups for a few other characters but also gotten better at mixups and optimising combos. Anyways, just enjoy the game while you can...
I think, in a lot of ways, fundamentals from other games DO transfer to Tekken. Stuff being plus or minus on block, the idea of lows and overheads (mids here in Tekken), and footsies as a concept still apply. Yeah, maybe when you've been playing for 15 hours, you don't know that you need to block low for the 3rd hit of Raven's b2,1,2. But, guess what, no one else who is new knows that either. Learn, and be the best you can be, while others learn with you.
Yea agreed. Obviously cut a lot out to make this short, but things def carry over (don’t think I’d be doing well if they didn’t) I think the consensus is they just carry over less cause the game is so knowledge heavy
@@Diaphone For sure. Getting through the early to mid ranks is hardest because most people don't even know what their own character does, much less the other 31. Learning all that is what makes Tekken so great.
Exactly. I'm trying to learn how to sidestep in tekken now, but the combos and setups I already know how to do are so fun that I don't feel like practing yet hahaha. Btw I guess the Raven's string you are talking about is b2,2,1+2 but not knowing the exact input to be able to block it proves your point
"Enjoy being a noob, it only happens once." is honestly some sage level insight. We all get caught up in getting good that we forget that a huge part of what makes games fun is learning how to play them.
Idk man, it's frustrating to me to be losing by getting knowledge checked by gimmicks repeatedly. I'm definitetly having a better time when I know the matchup win or lose. Feels more like I'm playing my opponent than just the game.
That's something only veterans say, because it's only fun being a noob if either everyone else is a noob aka will never happen again unless a brand new genre comes out, or you are a veteran at the genre and are a "noob" at a new game in said genre, aka you're not a noob.
I love this advice a lot honestly. When I was a little younger, I was so caught up in my own pride that I felt seriously discouraged if I tried something new and didn't immediately get it. Enjoying the process of discovery took a long time for me to reach, but nowadays I just let go of my ego when I pick up hobbies; the fun is found in the act of practice and celebrating each small improvement I notice.
I have fun learning and improving because I don't have an ego at that point. Once you develop an ego, it becomes hard to improve or see your mistakes so it becomes tilting.
I certainly love that new people are here, but I want them to quickly get mashing trained out of their minds because they're lowkey driving me crazy. I need them all humbled and ready to learn properly so we can go back to great and skillful matches
I'm at assailant and literally like 3 people played "actual Tekken", offense is exponentially easier to learn than defense and I say this as a Jun where I have b32 and uf43 as evasive launchers. Tekken 7 had peaks of ~11k on steam in its lifetime, Tekken 8 has 32k with a peak of nearly 50k on launch, something tells me not everyone wants to play "honest fundamental Tekken"
@axis8396 Oh absolutely. We're in a phase where we kind of have to sit here and deal with the scummy spammers who think they can pick up a character and just rapidly press buttons. I had to play a Devil Jin recently who was rapidly spamming his Fly dive attack Heat Engager and if it didn't work he would spam the living dogshit out of every grab in his arsenal. And I'm talking SPAM, he would grab me with the exact same grab after I earned it was a basic one and broke it twice into instantly grabbing me again with a 1+2 grab and then instantly grabbing me with a specific input grab. I'm not a bad player, having gotten to Tekken God Prime with Lei Wulong in Tekken 7, but the absolute culture shock of going from honest Tekken to Tekken 8 is driving me mentally insane. My friend who plays an extremely honest Kazuya has suggested that we just match their energy and spam them out so they either quit or learn to play honest Tekken, and I might just do it at this point, because trying to be honest and do punishes and combos when the enemy is just spamming strings nonstop has kept me in green and yellow ranks since launch day and it makes me feel like utter horseshit. I don't want to play like a scumbag but if it's what we need to do to condition the newcomers and make them respect the game, I'll do it
@@scottiecurrie7927You reached TGP with a character in T7, you should have your defensive fundamentals covered. Strings are most definitely punishable, losing to button mashers just means that you don't know your character by heart YET. I'd rather play "boring" defensive tekken and WIN, than try to get my turn via a launcher and keep losing to the same move that has frame advantage.
The thing about Tekken is that the gap between the skill floor and skill ceiling is _so_ much wider than pretty much any other game. Like you hear all the veteran players say that the pros are playing a different game from the rest of us, and because of that sky-high skill ceiling, they're really not wrong. Point being, don't worry about being "good" at Tekken if you're just jumping in now, because getting _that_ good takes literal years, if not decades. For now, just have fun slowly but surely learning the game
This is my first Tekken game and it definitely feels like a lot. The tutorial/tools they give you are superb though, so while it is a lot it doesn't feel overwhelming.
@@Methos_having to break through a brick wall of info just to START to learn this encyclopedia of a game is fun to you? I returned this game after about two days its a chore to learn this shit.
@@Banner18Secured I mean, I already know how to read people, space, punish, counterhit, etc from other fighting games. I'm not starting with 0 knowledge.
@@Methos_ I was referring to how it feels from someone in my shoes. Its not worth 70$ usd to pay for get my ass kicked 50 times in a row simulator. Not a fun experience.
It's also worth pointing out that early on you're going to get hit by tons of stuff you "shouldn't": snake edges(launching lows, usually homing) are generally in the 25-30f+ range, this is unseeable at lower levels because you have to think about it but once you're used to it it's a free launch punish. It's just something you'll get used to over time
its funny how instinctive it will always be for you once you get it. I haven't played T7 for like 3 years and picked it up with T8 again and I am just subconsciously blocking snake edges and react blocking kazuya's mids after just a few days. Remember that what seems daunting today might just be second nature 2 days later.
@@littlekale got my Jun to Vanquisher a little while ago, pretty happy with that since I haven't played in like 6 years. Prolly try Lili next, plus her cat is named Salt which is just perfect
@@smugdarkly it's a low sweep where they duck really low so it high crushes, it tracks both ways and launches. They also usually don't need to come out of a stance, they recover really low to the ground, and how much range they have varies a bit per character. They're usually a little slowish and are death on block, but they can fk you if they throw it out just as your doing a high. Called snake edge because Bryan had the first one on T3 and that's what it was called.
Tekken is specially hard to learn how to learn. The go-to basics are very different from any other game, and you might not know what you really need for your level, like of learning all your moves, try what knee does on your matches, etc. You don't need to play the tekken you watch on tournaments right away, you can play your tekken on lower ranks just fine with a couple tools, and looking out for what you could do when you want to beat something
I feel like the movelist gets overlooked a little when talking about if Tekken is easy or hard to get into. People think having a hundred moves is a negative thing, but when you don't know how to play a fighting game yet and are just going to be pressing buttons with your friends and hoping to see cool stuff, having every direction and button combination be a move basically ensures you'll get to do at least one interesting attack most rounds even against someone better than you. Every person I've introduced to the series has started off being intimidated by it until they mash their way into hitting a cool move, and once they hit that cool move, the whole dynamic changes. Now it's all about learning to do the cool thing effectively, and before you know it you've got a Tekken player with a main and 30 moves in their arsenal so they can keep doing that cool move they liked.
It's much much harder to fight against somebody who has hundreds of moves that aren't just juggle fillers. Defense is so much harder than offense in this game.
@@NYG5defense is way harder then offense, completely right. Other then that, you never get to use all moves, in the end you play around with 15-25 moves, that are really essential for your gameplay, everything else is just bonus (usually bad moves) which you can use to surprise your opponent or die for it ;)
Well, there aren't actually a lot of moves. Its kind of fake in a sense. Ofc when you're learning 30 characters it can be daunting but when you actually look at the movelist, a lot of them are throws, some are copied in the heat section. Some of them are just strings but continued, so it'll be 2,2,3. Then 2,2,3,4. Or its 2,2,4. So, its the same string but it ends differently or extends into a different move. Then theres other moves that should only be used in combos because they don't mixup, they don't heat engage, they don't mixup, they're just bad and only useable in combos. I think the actual movelist complexity comes when you look at stance changes. So, it'd be like 2,2,f, into a stance. Or you can do 2,2,d, into a different stance. Or you just continue the string or stop the string. So, for new players, not only is it hard to smoothly use these stance transitions but its also hard to predict the enemy when you have that. Then add on top the stance complexities like how Reina's heaven's wrath stance will parry while heat is active. But the actual raw numbers of moves, I don't think is a big deal.
Tekken 8 is my first fighting game that I would love to try this series but not have a chance for 10+ years, now is the time and got stomped for like 30+ game with only 2-3 wins. Thank you for wise suggestion, Enjoy being a noob is my journey now but not the end of the road. Keep fighting!
its very easy to learn your best offensive tools and run someone down with offense, but defending against said things? good luck. its nearly impossible to be ready for 50+ moves from 30+ characters beyond a basic level, so if your goal is offense you can pick it up pretty quick but if your goal is defense then I hope you have an incredible memory
Most players don't use 30 moves, important part is knowing the strong moves which takes time, that's the whole point if you want to get good at the game. You gonna need to study for it
@@tousawa808 right most wont use 30 moves but you might fight 5 different people using the same character and all 5 might have different preferences for which of their 100 moves they want to use
@@tousawa808 If a good player notices that you haven't done your homework, he will knowledge checks you to death until you learn, the greater the number of moves we use, the more difficult it is for the opponent to to get used to it, even the weakest blow used rarely creates surprise because the opponent does not expect it, and in many cases he has no knowledge of this move, this is the beauty of tekken 👍
One thing I would like to say to new Players about 2 Phases of observing the game by you. Recognize the distance your character moves to land a specific attack-input (phase1) then you blur the focus on looking at your own character and focus on the condition or actions your opponent's character is doing. (phase2)
Tekken is easy to learn, but that doesn't mean you will gain all the legacy skill that people have built up from playing since tekken 5. It's ok. Things take time.
Matchup knowledge is 100% the most important thing in Tekken. You can have the worst execution in the world and absolutely god awful movement and still get far as long as you know the matchup (just learning how to punish your opponents moves will probably get you to red ranks). Just to prove my point I’ve been playing Dragunov for nearly 15 years, (though I haven’t played him in this game yet, I’ve only played Lee) I know everything there is to know about that character and I still got absolutely massacred by a new Dragunov player on day one spamming his new stuff because I didn’t know the matchup (same thing with all the new characters). You don’t need to know every single nuance of every character but just being able to do things like block Snake Edges and low parry Junkyard on reaction will help immensely.
I don't get how it's easy to learn - to be any decent at the game you need to know every character throughout AND what's the most efficient way to punish them
Easy to learn. Hard to master. Any person can go into tekken and within a week could understand basic combos and juggles. They would have fun playing against others on their level. But if you want to master it then you would need to understand match ups and framedata. I got to red ranks and I don't know any match ups or how to punish lots of characters. I just have fundamental knowledge that I've had since tekken 6. People learn at their own pace and if they want to get to the next level it would just take extra effort. It's a good game for begginers with a welcoming community imo.
My god diaphone is a handsome individual, I mean I love his videos and hearing his thoughts on fgc thing but MAN, I cannot stress enough how much that beautiful face distracts me from the focus of the video
Ever heard of a term called knowledge check? You can even beat good players with it. Prime SF example is doing a minus move that is out of range to punish into an EX headbutt like a bot.
This video shows someones opinion who can't differentiate between a masher and an actual beginner. Tekken 8 is a mash friendly game. It rewards mashing HEAVILY. Thats why it is also not a BEGINNER FRIENDLY game. It is a PICK-UP friendly game. If you don't wanna learn anything and just mash as soon as you pick up the game it is fucking great which means it is A BAD FUCKING GAME. You literally gain minimal advantage by training and this makes training tools mostly useless. Hıow to actually fix tekken as a genre: Revert back to the old system for mashing moves or completely remove mashable moves. Old tekken (tekken 6 and before) had HUGE movement which made pressing VERY RISKY which rewards begginers and veterans alike. In old tekken a player who just begin the game put 30 hours into actual practice would have %100 win rate against a beginner who is just mashing. In new tekken the training of 30 hours doesn't even mean jack shit. In order to ACTUALLY do defensive things you need 500+ hours and I am not even joking. They nerfed things like kbd, side step and evasion based moves to the degree that a beginner who reads his opponent can't win because alongside reading you need EXECUTION of SUPPOSED TO BE SIMPLE game mechanic like backdash or side step to create a whiff and punish it. So what is the result. I give this game until July to live its hype and basically drop dead because beginners will get stuck on no progress look with no clue to do what while professional and high level players will get frustrated because game rewarding aggressive and frankly STUPID gameplay. Tekken is SUPPOSED TO BE A DEFENSIVE GAME. If you reward mindless aggression you will get a game that people can't get better at because things you can improve on are not applicable in real game which makes them pointless. Thats why when they said tekken is gonna be more aggressive while developing the game members of the community who had more than 2 braincells said ITS GONNA BE A SHIT GAME because tekken 7 is already TOOO FUCKING AGGRESSION BASED. They are not making a good game to play. They are making a good game to watch with more action at the expense of rewarding the better player.
I'm going to say that Tekken 8 is not easy to learn relative to other modern fighters. Reason being, is that every other fighter is pretty intuitive and self explanatory. For instance, you don't need guides or frame data to do fairly well at SF6. On the flip side, there is nothing intuitive or self explanatory about Tekken. The moves are very difficult to read and react to, it's hard to figure out what needs to be blocked vs what should be dodged, it's hard to figure out when it's your turn, the window for when it is your turn is typically much tighter, throws are harder to tech, massive 50/50s, etc. etc. There's also far less room for error because one mistake can cost you your entire health bar, or close to it. To properly learn Tekken you have to take advantage of the tutorials, online resources, and lab. To learn SF6, just play and everything you need to know will come naturally which makes it a far easier game to learn. That being said, about 10 hours into SF 6 and I can beat plats and give diamonds a good match. Meanwhile, with about the same time on Tekken, beating 5ks is a challenge. I might be conflating learning with execution though, but if you can't execute then how much have you truly learned. I think it also depends on your style of play. I have more of a defensive fighting style that relies on winning footsies and utilizing 3-4 hit combos, and this approach doesn't seem to lend itself well to Tekken.
YEah not really enjoyable when getting beat down repeatedly in vs matches as a newbie, lol also the weird input lag of like 5+ seconds is making it hard to play, I got a new controller to see if thats the problem..
Tekken 8 is very good but goddam hard to learn to play properly. The frustration and tendency to ragequit because of losing is very high...higher than Street Fighter 6
He wins a ranked match against someone who just picked up the game by mashing. That's like winning an under 7's down syndrome spelling bee by guessing and judging if English is an easy language to learn.
easy to learn hard to master it should be easy for a novice to learn how to play tekken in 2024 when I was just a kid, there wasn't even youtube, now it's really a matter of being able to do some research with your browser without even having the skill and the patience to study a character on their own
Reina has nearly nothing in common with heihachi. She is a unique mishima character. All of the mishimas have thing in common such as hell sweep and electrics but besides that reina is nowhere near heihachi...
the game is so hard for new players because every character has so many moves, it takes so long to understand whats + whats safe or not, is it punishable, what range all the moves have etc. for a new player its rly hard. in mk1 or sf6 each character only has a few moves to remember !
Very good video and sum up about Tekken difficulty ! I really like your conclusion. If you just want to play to have fun (whatever the level), Tekken is not more difficult than other fighting games. However if you want to try to compete and expect to beat the best players of this game and win the next Tekken World Tour, it will be extremely hard. The legacy knowledge is huge in this game, but again, just care about that if you want to compete seriously. I would add that with the awesome features in the replay mode (taking control, suggested punish etc.), it is the best time to learn this game. They really put the effort to help people learn the different match-up and be better, without the hassle of learning the opponent character and finding the exact move and trying to reproduce the exact setup. This feature was first implemented in Guilty Gear accent core, and I really hope that with Tekken it will set a standard.
A top player can prevent you from even getting up if you are not aware of all the defensive situations. No other fighting game is is as difficult only mmo's.
This dialogue is delusional af. You cant use a character that has a combo on it's attacks from pressing one button, then act like it is easy to learn, that is braindead af logic. Most tekken characters dont do full combos on one button. And if you are just pressing one button to win, then you actually win, the player you played against was either a bot or they had no idea what so ever as to what to do. In every game, you do not always get to play vs players that have no idea, so saying that playing against basically a bot means it is easy or not that hard, makes no sense.
I like that the button inputs make logical sense. It makes it easy for me to learn them. If I'm pressing LK+RK it does some kind of attack with both feet. If I press forward and punch, it's probably an advancing move to get pressure started ect.
Newish player, I played 4, 6, and 7 without ever trying to improve so I never learned how to really play. As someone who improved quite a bit in about a week, my advice to other beginners. Sometimes pressing nothing is more beneficial to do than pressing anything. Auto standing block is a thing.
i'm just stepping into fighters. my only experience was playing mk and sf at the corner liquor store in the 90s. i know the basic mechanics like bb/ff hit and half/quarter circles etc. i even remember a sub zero combo from sega genesis mk3 from just playing at a friends house once. so not completely ignorant but very minimal knowledge so i'm basically new. started buying fighters on sale and got cap vs marvel 3/infinite. both injustice. sf 5. mk x/11 got playstation premium and got doa5, tekken 6, sf collection, sf4 and finally, bought tekken 7 ultimate for $20 on sale bro tekken is so different. i spent 3 weeks just trying to decide on who to main. because i never main characters. i like the variety, especially in mobas or looters. that's carrying over into fighters but i need a main for tekken because of.. you have to learn so much i'm still undecided but i've been liking Lili. also like Lei. i'm on day 3-4 of learning Lili. her b 333 is such a fun round opener i never thought i could play on reaction but i noticed my guard game being automatic. i block lows without realizing it. not always, and i don't know how i'm doing it, but if i turn my thinking off the instincts kick in. the inputs that used to trip me up are getting easier too. i would accidentally jump when dashing, now my thumbs are more precise. i still have problems with some combinations, like 1+2 doesn't always work for me. so i'm considering building a hitbox to help, but at the same time the practice is improving my inputs. tekken isn't just a hard game, it's one of the hardest games. i'm a fromsoft fanboy. one of the few people that preordered dark souls over 10 years ago. i play grandmaster destiny content. i had high elo for league back in the day. not bragging, just saying i like hard games and perfecting my mechanics... and tekken FUCKS me up. even just in practice mode where i'm practicing, i'm getting my ass beat trying to string these combos lmao
you can play tekken easily, but you can't learn it easily. legacy fighting game knowledge doesnt really carry over the same way from 2d fighters. so you have to reset your brain in a lot of ways. on top of it being a pretty mechanically intensive fighter to begin with.
I'm new but finding the game so much easier and more fun to learn than 2D games. Each of the huge amount of options is actually very intuitive and I'm feeling far less like it's me vs the game compared to 2D
Is it hard to play? depends on what kind of player you are? are you someone who just wants to push some buttons and enjoy and fight sequence etc then no its not hard. Are you a player who wants to keep improving become a pro and be one of the best then yes it is hard. If your a beginner who wants to be a pro then this is the most basic steps I can advise you. 1. Learn the Basics and fundamentals. Frame data, low high mid attacks, blocking, setups. Movements backdash sidestepping etc. 2. choose a character then master your characters moves, setups, most effective moves fighting a human not a cpu in offline. (you wont improve fighting a cpu) 3. constantly keep learning other characters (This is the only way to learn how to stop them) 4. keep fighting players that are better than you The more you get trashed by another player the better because you have a new means to adapt to their fighting style. this is what makes the best of the best in tekken the best because they constantly evolve and adapt to how their opponents play. good luck.
what sucks is that by the time I get to that point, most of the other players of my skill level will have dropped off the game and only the Planet-Destroying Elder God rank players will be left to fight online.
Tekken is a hard game in general, but it's simple enough to get into. My proof of this is Kazuya. He's generally considered one of the hardest characters to play at a high level, but why is that? I'd say it's because Kazuya is all about Tekken fundamentals and doesn't have any crazy gimmicks or moves to help him out. So I'd say Tekken is a hard game if you want to go SUPER in depth but if you're just looking to have some fun, it's easy!
Learning an effective strategy and combos for your character is very easy. Defense and counterplay is where all the infinite depth is. This is even more so in T8 where steamrolling is so prevalent. Unfortunately defense, and what people call "fundamentals" is learned only from experience, not knowledge from reading guides or doing tutorials. No amount of me warning people about Bryan's snake edge is going to make them block punish it on reaction. Ok, what about Lili's? Asuka? Fang? You need to eat a hell of a lot of snake edges before you can defend against them consistently. Even this I dont find as that hard, but trial by fire is a hard sell for people who just want to start improving.
"Enjoy being a noob, it only happens once." True for most other fighting games when there are other noobs out there. It doesn't apply to Tekken. It's a legacy game. The fact that matchmaking is all over the place is even worse. You get matched with 150 000 points players while you're sitting at 80 000. You don't learn anything vs such a gap. It's one of those games where you don't understand why you lost and you think right away that it's because your character is just bad. (for not having access to good lows for example).
Tekken is unique in how it is immediately fun and enjoyable to play just hitting buttons and getting a feeling and then opens up into near endless possibility and complexity when you decide to dive in. It was what got me into it as a 5 year old playing Yoshi on T2 and what keeps me playing 30 years later.
TEKKEN 8 is Pokemon, and no one can convince me otherwise. You pick a starter. You pick some mix up combos and strategies. You go around the world and test them against opponents' combos and strategies. You punish mistakes. Mindgames. You put Alisa back in her Pokeball.
This man plugged KingJae in his video, idk if I can exactly trust their opinion. KingJae is nothing but a botter who bought his way into popularity. I still think no 3D game is hard to learn. Tekken is difficult at the high level but so is every fighting game not named Fantasy Strike. I think people really just get lost in the big name mechanics and strings but really 3D games are still the same. Oftentimes you will be playing around baiting whiffs and your pressure will look something like a fast high jab mixed in with a mid, throw, and the occasional low move that knocks down or leaves you in a decent state. I guarantee you that you will do better than 70% of players online by just doing 12, df1, throw, and a low. That covers all basic attack options. Although it would be wise to learn one combo so people are afraid of being hit by something.
Let me say it this way: Tekken is hard yes BUT Tekken 8 is the easiest Tekken to Pick up since it Teaches you everything you need to know while Playing Arcade, watching Replays or going to Practice Mode. People just need to be willing to improve and learn, the Game gives you everything what you need thats different from Games before. Yes there is still Legacy stuff but thats in every Game but this will come with time you wont be Fighting a EVO Pro in your first Matches you are Fighting Guys that have the same knowledge as you. If you get stomped by someone Tekken takes your Hand and shows you (literally) in the Replay function how to beat this YOU just need to be willing to use the Tools Tekken gives you and learn. And to say it the hard way if you complain about it and are not willing to learn the stuff it is your fault for beeing lazy because like i said you got every tool providet by Tekken you just need to use it if you dont its your fault not the Games.
Its easy to win against new people who have no idea what they're doing, which is everyone until red ranks. That doesn't mean the game is easy to learn if you want to actually learn Tekken and beat Tekken players.
I feel SF6 is 100% easier to understand, and way more beginner friendly. Other than the shitty microtransactions, that game is flawless in my eyes. TK8 feels very overwhelming by comparison, coming from someone who has never played SF/Tekken before. I don't know all the answers to these issues, but that's how it feels to me from first impressions.
For what it's worth if there are fundamentals that carry over from fighting games, for me at least it comes down to managing myself. Like okay. I'm coming off of masters SF6 - I'm not a GOD at the game, clearing that shit up rn lmao. BUT. What I am good at because of what SF6 taught me was how to manage my own learning habits and styles. I know what characters I gravitate towards, I know what I wanna do, and I know that I also HATE. Hate hate hate. Having to go back and relearn fundamentals. So I'm way better at focusing on the things I want to learn and not putting myself under unnecessary pressure. I'll keep it a buck with yall I ain't fixing to hit an electric on purpose in match anytime soon lmao. But I know I can teach myself how to kbd if I ask around enough, I know how to ask about set ups and set play, I know how to assess moves and their value and how to create a sort of regimen I can work with. Enough that even though there's plenty of players that can body me if they ask for a match, I can always help THEM learn things too.
Tekken shouldn't have neutral block, it's more confusing than it helps. I've played over 200 hours of Tekken and just in the last days figured out that relying on neutral block makes a simple jab that is plus on block unsafe if you do not hold back to block the punish. Simple jab strings can hit you after the second or third blocked hit in neutral block while this does not happen when holding back. Tekken 8 is trying to rectify that by telling players to "hold back to block", but there's already so much misinformation from T7 out there on neutral block that it will take a while for this to become common knowledge.
they could of done a better job with combo training the combo challenge does not show optimal combos they should have let us load community shared combos and practice those
At the end of the day, it's just a video game. Getting mad or frustrated isn't going to help you get better. Relax, learn that it's ok to lose. Just have fun, and be mindful of what's happening. Fighting games, especially tekken, take immeasurably more concentration than like shooters. Have fun everyone
I think Tekken is easy to learn, but now it's easier than ever. Once you learn basics you can play any character. You don't need every move, simply knowing what works well is the best. Although I don't own 8, now I know how Bob works and his gameplan and that made me way better than when I was being aggressive with Giga Jackers and Spinner Balls and eating it because of that.
Amuses me that people will give advice (not this video, I mean in general or like reddit or something) on how to pick up/learn and suggest doing the basics, then the second you don't do an optimal i15 launch punish and use an i12 string instead the same people go absolutely crazy about how you're missing out on this or that. Who cares if you always use an i12 2,2 to punish even hilariously unsafe moves, you're still punishing them, that's better than many people are doing. You can expand your toolset at a later date, but to expand it you should know why you need do it first.
Yea, I agree, I just play the game for fun. ANd when I see pro player like Knee or Arslan play. Its just like god damn.... Who would have thought tekken is this complex. Yea, the game is hard but rewarding once you become okay at the game. You dont need to be pro play level to enjoy the game. Once you find someone at your game level its the most satisfying fighting game to play.
The least complicated tekken game is still more complicated than the most complicated sf/mk game Tekken has never been more easy to get into but you're still thrown straight into the pit of wolves with people who have legacy skill from 20+ years of tekken. All the tools are out there to learn but starting tekken you're actually at a 1/10 of what you could possibly know compared to the like 8/10 from starting an mk game and 4/10 starting a sf game.
i mean, even at red ranks players are abusing cheesy frametrap and havn't even learn any frame trap, i can literally keep spaming b4,2,1 - 1 - b4,2,1 as dragunov and they always, ALWAYS try to chalenge while having -5 frames after blocks, like, i mean... probably because the game is new so the ranks are not relevant yet? alos, the special move that simplify button mashing is a noob trap to make them trap themselves to not learning anything, and make them hyper predictable and punishable. but yeah, there is a lot of ofensive option that are easy to use with the heat system, so being defensively good became very important, right now learning everyone heat move frame trap and weaknesses is key, once you know where to duck or step the spamable move of every wharacter, you eat their heat jauge with ease, then you trigger yours and, you know, since you fukin learned your frame data and worked on mixup and actual high damage combo, especialy with the heat wall carry capability and double combo reset (yeah, stop just neutral triger heat, its a waste of a combo reset that can help going to a wall or breaking it, on some map you can literally break 3 walls in a single combo as dragunov with clever use of heat mode, lets say you do this while in rage after tanking all the oponents heat, you can LITERALLY full bar combo depending on the arena and character heat moves) lil exemple, as dragunov on the 3 wall coridor level, you can break one normaly, wall carry to the other using the heat move reset, break de second wall, and use the big heat 3 moves that instant destroy the last wall, then carry and the last wall to end on a wall ender, so thats a thing, clever use of heat instead of random spam makes the diference. and go fukin learn frame data for fuck sake, i swear its harder to play against guy who randomly chalenge when they are in a negative frame state, but then they don't, cause they have no god damn idea of whats hapening xD but for exemple, hwoa and victor seems to be very cheesy spamer, and you might think its busted, but the amount of consecutive high duckable move in the spamed strings are going to end up in you flying to a wall combo pretty fast as you go up in ranks, and you'll be lost cause you thought it was that easy. but yeah, in definitive its "more accessible" yeah, thats nice, but for reason that prevent you for achieving an actual good level on the game. cause abusing some character spamable moves on noobs will result in you having 0 option the second someone learned the hole in your flowchart (hello xiaoyu players, yeah you, with your permanently identical flowchart that cry when you get banged in a wall) and well, you don't want to play on a single option, even if you can beat up other noobs, learn mixups, learn frame data, take good use of the very strong ofensive tools that this new mechanik propose, and you'll enjoy the game a lot more.
As someone who only played Street Fighter 3 before this, it is very difficult to learn comparatively. It is much slower in general, and at the same time, combos don't feel like they have enough margin of error as far as your window to check if you landed an initial hit before continuing the combo is concerned. The controls feel a bit unresponsive and the complete lack of parry is continuously ruining the ability to land blocks in general. If you play Street Fighter, do yourself a favor and stick to that, cause Tekken 8 is going to be an uphill battle against your muscle memory. I honestly wouldn't even be playing if my friend hadn't gifted it to me 😅
There isn’t a game that makes me angrier when I lose, I’ve got like 8-9 hours in tekken 7 and 8 combined and that’s all of my experience with fighting games. I literally cannot play more than one or two ranked matches before I start screaming and throwing shit. I want to enjoy playing it but maybe it’s just not for me lol
The fact that some people only just now started playing Tekken 8..and already Tekken Gods and making "Content" Kinda shows how easy THIS particular tekken is.
Long story short, it can be as easy as it gets when you just mash buttons randomly and character does some funny stuff AND it can be as hard as it gets when you constantly switch between numerous stances, do sidesteps and count frames with your naked eye to calculate the exact moment for grab break or perfect counter That's the reason why I always preferred Tekken over MK and street fighter. When your friends come over, nobody wants to spend an hour learning how to do something-everyone just want to play game and have fun and Tekken allows you that because most of the punches and basic combos are pretty intuitive and unlike its counterparts it doesn't ask you to draw a perfect pentagram with your stick and press 10 buttons to do something more fun than a straight jab. At the same time if you start actually learning the game, the rabbit hole can go very deep
Guides are helpful but a lot of it you see in them, you won't even apply until much later, watching a guide is just the first step to starting off in the game. Now to apply that in the game you need to get comfortable with executing it in online. TLDR: Tekken 8 is very difficult to pick up and learn without prior experience in Tekken games or other figher games, its extensive roster of characters will give you a lot of variety but that means you need to possess the knowledge how to fight as and vs these characters. Try to have fun and don't stress about not being good or losing.
For me personally Tekken is easy to pick up and hard to master. Even the vets arent complete gods in the game because every encounter they come across is so unique. The game offers so much creativity compared to other fighter games. The Steve Fox you play in one game wont play the same way the other steve fox played in the other game. One steve fox will probably play safe and attack with punish, others will play aggressive. the game offers you to come up with your own unique playing style. Besides basics, theres no real secrete formula to being good besides you being super creative in certain situations. You can google how to play a certain character, but it wont be enough, i just requires you and your ablility to be creative.
I think the movesets in this game are just extremely complex, the inputs aren't like other fighting games, you have side stepping, etc. And I'm not a noob when it comes to fighting games. I've done good in most fighting games that I've played. But I'm not even confident enough to play an actual match on Tekken 😂
The game will assure that you can beat the CPU in offline matches and the story modes. The move list is short and condensed, easy to use and always there for players off to the side during matches. The devs really made them easy to use just the way Capcom did with SF6. However, when the new players approach online matches, they get churned into the finest butter by high level players.
I feel the unintuitive move list does the game no favors, it feels gargantuan because its like if SF explained every normal, every link, with drive rush separately. And then the "main moves" that's supposed to help you get started is only heat moves that you can't use all the time. Its a fun experience to learn it, but you have to accept you're not gonna understand everything, and the guides are all way too advanced fora beginner.
Actually a solid point, cuz you're missing out on like half a roster, which comes later in form of dlc. Butvat least tekken 8 has a pretty sizable roster and a bunch of content.
They made it easier for newcomers every game..This game has made it very easy..But defending learning how to punish..Learning all the characters options to defend.Thats where people usually give up at..It's never offense outside ewgf that's hard for people
When you need to see a tutorial to learn how to dash I'm out sorry, it is such a basic design flaw that I can't (yes I said it, it is shitty and legacy design). You are super right into the expectation, I personally cannot play casually and I don't see myself investing years just be become average in a game right now but I have friends that I more than happy to mash and enjoy it.
Honestly, when it comes to judging how hard a fighting game is it's really asking about the skill floor's position relative to the skill ceiling. Sure Tekken 8 may have a relatively low skill floor but the skill ceiling is so high that if you're not close to that ceiling you're simply going to get destroyed by anyone who is closer.
It is difficult to get to the higher ranks. It is extremely difficult to learn. If that wasn't the case, the people who are at the top level wouldn't have been playing this game for years. Most people that are on the top have been playing this for over a decade. I played Tekken 3 back in the day, and that is the reason why it didn't take me long to get alright in Tekken 8.
Tekken is a game that for me personally-you have to pick a main. And you really have to learn that guy before you move on otherwise you’ll forget. It’s a hard ass game-but man it’s fun.
Also worth noting if you're playing ranked and struggling just remember it's not your fault a lot of players are extremely good at the game and have been playing for like 10 years now
The meta in 8 is actually very similar to League of Legends it requires a lot of knowledge of for example the movelist and timings and also skill techniques such as parrying Heat crush is useful as it's good for counterattacks Anyway
Honestly its hard to have fun when ur getting swept by returning tekken players and hwoarang L1 noob setup mashing buttons and u can’t block because u haven’t learned what is high or low and u literally cant play the game.
tekken 8 is hard because of scope. if you were brand new and never touched a tekken game, there are tons of system mechanics that you need to learn. that's not even touching up on needing to know what your character moves are and what to expect from another 32+ characters can bring. it's the hardest fighting game by far to learn from scratch.
I think Tekken has a really low barrier of entry, which is FANTASTIC, but the game has such a high ceiling that I think thats where the difficulty lies!
