Ben - almost all of your acceleration tests were on a curve. That's going to eat into your acceleration, because instead of putting 100% of the tire's traction budget towards making you go faster, some of that budget had to be spent to change your direction, and the amount necessary to turn increases as you accelerate. There's a reason why quarter mile strips are not on corners.
Steven Allen congrats on the Great car. I would probably still not recommend beyond get the car still. We will see a 400 mile range S this year, and even a plaid, that will be super powerful. That doesn’t make the Raven worse, but it makes it worth less (not worthless). I had the issue when getting the 100D late in 2018, and losing 50k in value within 4 months.
NinjaNick 07 it’s an option. It’s the performance version. It replaced the 100d version. The raven has some new style of air suspension. It didn’t feel much different then the 100d I test drove but they say it’s better
If you want the range, the the Long Range - which is what I did, and if you don't drive like you stole it I am getting about 85-90 percent of advertised.
AteFetaCheese I can’t buy a Tesla because of the interest rate. The same goes for all practicing Muslims who can’t afford to buy it in full. Wish someone is able to bring that into Elon’s attention. Basically Muslims can’t deal with interest. My dad ended up buying it in full but not everyone can do that.
Launch Mode (0-60 in 2.4?) 1) Enable Ludicrous Plus Mode (Wait until Ready) 2) Change Suspension to Low 3) Enable Warp Mode Easter Egg (Yes Bring it On) 4) Floor the Brake and hold 5) Floor the Gas then release 6) Display says “Launch Mode Enabled” 7) Floor the Gas (within 8 seconds) 8) Release the Brake (within 4 seconds)
Teslanomics with Ben Sullins Yeah, I think Launch Mode is the ticket to the 2.4 0-60 time on a drag strip probably with wind in your favor and some luck. I will be able to test it more soon.
@@djprojectus this is deliberate to ensure you don't have launch mode enabled all the time as it causes excessive wear on the drive train. other performance vehicles achieve the same thing by only allowing you to use their launch mode maybe seven or eight times between getting a service.
@@ouethojlkjn Still 8 steps? Maybe 2 or maximum 3 but 8 steps??? Wtf ,are we breaking the Fort Knox? If all this launch mode is so detrimental to the Tesla hardware then don't allowed in the first place!
@@paulchen508 I like the widescreen the model 3 has, and the center console on model 3 is more usable, some storage on door panels would be nice, nothing else really, lol im just being picky, its an amazing car
I have the long range 2020 Raven S (non-performance). I don’t think it’s worth the price, non-performance or performance. I bought it fully knowing it (purely because it’s been my dream car and I simply wanted it). You get a LOT more bang for your buck in the model 3. And I would’ve bought the model 3 if it looked more aggressive on the exterior.
I just bought a used 2020 model S long range plus. My GF has a 2021 model 3. I love all 3 of them. But the S to me is the quintessential Tesla. I like it over the 3 for the road trips and the hatchback utility. The model 3 is more nimble and some would say it's more fun, however I do have problems with getting in and out in the 3.
@@e-xinfinity3817 All the features that are similar between the 3 and S: EV, fast acceleration, fast charging, large screen, autopilot, etc. The only *noticeable* things S offers above the 3 are physical: more leg room (I'm 6'1), hatchback, proximity door handles, slightly longer distance (only noticeable on road trips), aggressive looking exterior, and clout (I guess) when strangers actually know how much more it costs. I love my car but are those worth the an extra ~$46k (basically another car)? Imo, absolutely not
What years does this apply to? I’m trying to figure out if I want a 3, X, or S I love the styling of the S and I’ll be doing a road trip once a month, I’m a single guy w/no kids. The X is cool because I can write off much of the vehicle with section 179. Also what years would be ideal to look at considering the new tax credits that are coming in to play? Are there any years of model S that match the features of the 3?
"Overall car winner for past 70 years" that's a huge statement and many, especially car enthusiasts, would be very upset with that. The thing is, I completely agree. Put it like this: an NY Times article argued that Steph Curry was the N.B.A. Player of the Decade (not Lebron) this is because Steph literally changed the entire game. From NBA to grade school kids at the rec center. Tesla, specifically the model S, changed the automotive industry. Now EVERYONE is trying to make a good electric car, especially as we move towards renewable energy. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk
I feel like the Model S is the Tesla that everybody forgets about. The Model X has all of the features, the Model Y is the new one, the Model 3 is the one that everybody has, but the model S is just kinda in the background. The Model X is the car I think of when I hear the word Tesla, but the Model S is my current favorite because of the style and performance.
I love the S, can't stand the interior of Model 3 with hard plastic finishes. Also S looks 10 times better. If you put a 3 next to a S you will understand what I mean.
Don’t get caught up on the make up - the heart of technology is on the 3. - battery - charging system - touchscreen response - computer system (graphics/ video) - motor No brainer
We have a S and a 3. I much prefer the interior of the 3. You have better vision with the lower dash. I much prefer the screen over to the left as I don’t have a light behind the wheel. Less glare is important to me at night. I have to readjust driving the S and really have come to dislike the screen behind the wheel.
@@_diogenes1 we have a S and 3, not sure what you're talking about - you sound an owner of a 3 and drove a loaner used S S has same or better everything except charging speed (which isn't big deal imo). S more than makes up for it with size, performance, suspension, luxury vs bumpier ride (with model 3), looks. Is it worth double the cost? Honestly... yes. 3 drives like a honda accord which is compliment to honda, model S is extremely smooth and supercar sleeper
Until Tesla upgrades the S and X 8 year old battery packs, Model 3 is the only *NEW* Tesla in 2020 worth buying. My 20-7 X charges faster than this Raven S at V3! Crazy!
Are they really using the battery technology from 8 years ago? If that's the case, where did the better range and performance upgrades come from? Just from the motor?
Hello Ben and greetings from me and Arnie from Germany . We bought a fresh Performance Raven Model S in August 2019 and enjoy it. Unfortunately after 20k kilometer the rattle from the Shocks in the front came back, like a lot of other Model S suffer from. The ride on the ne adaptive Suspension is great so far.
RU-vid is now too many commercials. Could pay youtube netflix cost for their ads. But, that doesn’t stop: embeded ads, sponsors, patreon, merch commercials. RU-vid was for a quick entertainment fix. Now it’s riddled with ads. Even the elevated quality of creators hard work isn’t going to be enough to save this platform. Creators deserve to be able to make some money. There is value there. But, I’m being repelled from it with all the ads. For a quick fix of entertainment...I don’t want to spend time watching ads. It’s like back in the day when we would pay for a newspaper or magazine and be full of ads. Paying for ads! RU-vid is ripe for going the way of newspapers and magazines. I don’t think RU-vid can save itself. So, a replacement from someone else is going to be needed.
I ordered a 2020 model S even though fully aware that there might be a model refresh. Changing a beautifully designed car solely for the purpose of making a change is not something I believe is in Tesla‘s DNA.
I have a P100D and I’ve never hit 2.4 0-60. I’ve gotten a bunch of 2.6s and a couple times in the 2.5s. You need to be in Ludicrous +, fully heated to 50C, at least 80% charge, and use launch control. It doesn’t appear you used launch control. Good video though 👍
Have a subscription with this guy for ages. Have not been in my recommended list for a while. This is a really good vid, interesting and informative. Will remember to check on more often.
Love the model S and wouldn’t go with another luxury sedan if I were in the market. Yet, it is easily the worse car Tesla makes. I had p85d. Loved it. Currently have an X. Just frustrated to see the neglect towards the S. No significant changes. Tech is behind the 3. Battery tech is old. Even the X has other features like soft close doors and falcon wings that make it different. All the attention goes into the 3. Wait for the update or get a 3.
Luan Nguyen Model S is probably the most reliable car they make. If you don’t have to have an X for the space then you shouldn’t get it as it’s the same platform as MS, worse range and consistently rank at the bottom of quality in the SUV category every year.
I think the S overall is a gorgeous car, and I would have been perfectly happy with the standard S model. The styling is beautiful, mainly the front end style, the wheels, and such. And of course the acceleration should be noted as well. However the additional cost of the higher performance edition is far out of my budget, It wouldn’t be a good choice for me personally. Like I said, I would be happy with the standard S if I was given a choice of the S models. Great video as ever Ben, to a hopeful Tesla 3 owner maybe within the year.
why? the car is timeless and still looks relevant. it was 10 years ahead of its time in 2012 and it’s still ahead of its time today. what other car do you know of that hasn’t changed in 10 years and still looks current? the 2016 grille change was a smart change and the only thing needed.
The problem is I’ve essentially been looking at the same car since 2012. The new front fascia doesn’t alter the entire look of the car: a handsome sport back that could lose some weight in that rear.
@@viper5ko not all of it plug'n play. Some of the accessories (bluetooth antenna, LTE hookups, etc) are non-standard and vary from car to car. There's also the cameras being different between 2.0 and 2.5. I'm very hopeful that MCU1 can be upgraded to MCU 2, but I'll wait and see.
Can we please stop bitching about the Model 3 screen placement? I drive a 2018 F150 and my audio system, HVAC and seat heaters are all in the center of my dashboard. I have to take my eyes off the road too! Find me a car where you have everything you need to adjust on your daily drive that doesn't take your eyes away from the road.
The S is amazing and beautiful but the model 3 performance is just too good of a buy for the money. I cant justify the extra $50,000 to get an S model.
13:12 I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks the Model S is the only good looking Tesla. Tesla could use some fresh ideas, but if they can sell the Cybertruck they can sell anything.
How many miles were on this car and when you used draggy, what was the battery level? I have a 2020 Performance but it has the newer thinner seats with 19s. I just got draggy too so I plan to do some tests as well on and off the drag strip. First try in Ludicrous (Not Ludicrous Plus) with 3 other passengers, cold, was 0-60 in 3 flat. I feel the difference in new air suspension vs old is night and day. Nice review
90% SoC, Ludicrous+ enabled and battery warm, didn't know about the launch mode thing, really I think my times were slow due to the uneven ground and somewhat damp road
I was listening to the suspension portion of the video. I have read that the raven adaptive suspension is smoother on the non-performance Model S. I haven't heard anyone confirm this, but maybe having the non-performance raven edition might make for a noticeably smoother ride.
Get serious, I own an S 100d, why does any one need any greater preformance from a sedan than I have? in addition, I have also been in the tire business for years, and low profile tires will NEVER ride well. The S is a luxery sedan not Porsche GT3.
@@drtyjrze The discussion was about a model S not a model 3 and why is it necessary to somehow get personal, "donkey of the day" what does that even mean?
Yes! It is the perfect car for me. Lots of space for my family, fastest and best looking Tesla with mind blowing performance 🥰 I have a Raven S Ludicrous 👌
Wait a few years then you can get a better model, but oh wait a sec!, if you wait for another few years again you could get an even better one, but wait a sec....
Paul McGreevy Lol, I HATE when people say that. The logic is ridiculous. Those convos usually end with me saying “ok” and walking away before I spazz out on them.
My logic is along these lines. Most pundits say Tesla is a technology (or energy/technology) company rather than just a car company. The current Models S and X are using a minimum of 3 year old power train technology and the same company is selling newer technology in the Model 3. For some, this is acceptable at the right price. For others, its the equivalent of buying a 42 inch plasma flat screen instead of the newer 65 inch OLED. How much of a discount does it take to knowingly buy an obsolete piece of technology? People will have their own personal answers.
@@xxZerosumxx Not enough. Motors have slightly increased efficiency. BMS design, bus design, and battery technology are critical and far more important. 250 kW V3's are out there now. Model S and X get close to zero benefit. Tesla's edge (or moat) is the SC network. Why are the other EV sales completely in the tank? I would argue it is pointless to buy a 250 mile Bolt (or whatever) if it is great good luck to find an available fast charger in the direction you are traveling. I'm guessing the buying public is smarter than the OEMs would like to believe, and all of these other EVs just become local drivers. I-Pace is a wonderful car. I've driven it. Wouldn't buy it though since I couldn't do reasonable inter-city travel with it. Same with E-Tron. Why buy a big battery with the attendant price when a little battery for local travel is good enough? I see Souls, Hyundais, Leafs and others a lot, and those people likely made their decision based on their personal driving requirements. The smallest Model 3? Price-wise is a good decision, although it doesn't carry much. CUVs are what people seem to want for their load carrying capabilities. I'm guessing that the Model Y will sell like beer right after Prohibition as soon as the less expensive models are released.
I love my Model S. But battery capacity and range are oversold. Note that the range was only 69% of the "rated", advertised range. 235 miles instead of 330 miles is significantly less. While you may be able to do somewhat better, you may not. At 6 months my car showed a full charge range of brand new. But in fact had a 14% loss in battery capacity (and 30% less range) and Tesla said all was "normal". So factor that in as well. If you are buying a used Tesla, the full charge rated range may conceal rather than reveal battery degradation.
And if you want range and don't need to go 0-60 in less than 3 seconds you can get a non-performance Model S long range and go 0-60 in 3.7 seconds and save about $20k and get about 373 rated miles of range.
We had a Model S as a loaner and what my wife and I didn't like was that if we set the steering wheel position where we liked, it blocked the screen: Not a problem with our Model 3.
XP-8 TIM I personally hate the lack of digital gauge cluster on the Model 3. That and the styling on the outside. Proportions just don’t look great. That’s why I’m going with a Model S as my next car
To me the best buy is the Model S Long Range. Think about it: a fair bit more range, considerably less money, not the quickest car in the world - but still a very fast car by almost any measure. As someone who is not planning to take my car to the drag strip, and doesn't care *that* much about sheer bragging rights, the Long Range seems like a winner.
Thank you for reporting the real numbers on a Tesla. What is the real range, charge time, and cost per month? These are things consumers need to know for a fact, and hype is very counterproductive for Tesla's sustainability over the long term. And when you say a V3 charger network does NOT really exist yet, I find these facts very sobering! I would want to drive my Tesla from Seattle to Yellowstone. I would want to power my trailer with it. I can't wait 2 or 3 years for an oversized Cybertruck, although I enjoy the notion of having a vehicle designed to operate on the surface of Mars. I need a vehicle now, and I am tired of being lied to about "sustainable transportation".
The only public V3 chargers? What about the Fremont factory V3, and the Kettleman City V3 that opened last Thanksgiving? There have got to be more as well, those are just two that come to mind. I guess this was recorded a while ago.
Dragy does not exclude the 1-foot rollout. A 1 ft rollout is the standard in the U.S. for 0-60 performance specs. All U.S. publications use this unless they specify otherwise. VBOX will provide the 0-60 time excluding the 1-foot rollout.
I genuinely don't get people who spend 6 figures on a car who aren't making 7 figures. My best friend makes $1 million per year and drives an $18,000 Accord.
Model 3 Performance hands-down over this ... not even a question. If you know your Teslas really well, including the weird issues like the yellowing screen in the S/X, you would agree, too.
Sentry Mode and the dash-cam only record video on USB if you have HW2.5 or later. You can turn on Sentry Mode with HW2.0 cars in order to use the alarm, but you won’t get any video. Remember that guys.
Ben. ive been following you for several years now but i feel like your tesla content is a bit behind. there is so much exciting stuff going on in the world of tesla. Have you taken a break due to life, kids, other interests? hoping for some classic teslanomics with numbers, graphs, etc.... will be waiting
i don't understand your comment that charging at 150kw has been the charge rate *forever*. it was only last year they upgraded from 120kw to 150kw. and your charge was 155kw which is a 30% improvement over prior max charge rate...
There a supercharger v3 that i have charged at Fairfield, CT. Theres another one at Tennessee. Plus publicly the have one In the UK and some in trans Canada.
pretty much all of the SCs in the Prarie provinces (Alberta, Manitoba and Saskatchewan) are all V3's, however, most are having teething troubles. I don't think we've gotten a sustained charging rate much above 125 kw thus far, and many are struggling to get to 70 kw. This is all third hand info (I'm on the East Coast), so take it with a grain of salt.
Hey sorta new to the channel. Just wanted to say thanks for this video, it was really well done. I'm looking forward for the plaid model to come out so that it'll lower the price of the 2018-2019 models lol. Those Maxwell batteries are probably worth it though...
Holy christ, Given your discretion over when you release content and where you test, banking turns/undulating uneven surfaces aren't 'as real world as it gets'. I'm not saying you need an NHRA certified strip, but put in 5 more minutes of searching to get suitable STRAIGHT and FLAT road before proclaiming that Tesla is overpromising performance data. Actually a fan, love your channel 🤗🤗🤗
I also did not get the full V3 charging speed in my Model 3 at the LINQ supercharger recently. In fact, it was SLOWER than normal. I was getting like 25kw? Granted, it was cold (in the 40s), the car wasn't warmed up, and my battery wasn't super low (~70%).
Why would Tesla sell FSD with HW3 upgrade to mcu1 owners if not compatible? If this is true, mcu upgrades better be available or refund the payment for FSD!
@@chuckhill5698 They will rather "bite the bullet" of having to do a huge "re-compatibility" overhaul of all of the old cars that were bought with the "promise" of a future F.S.D. (not as many as you may think); rather than the P.R. hit of giving money back. [If technically impossible -> NEW FREE CAR! ].
I agree that Model S is the most beautiful Tesla. Because it was made as a handsome mix of older Jaguar XF (especially rear end ) and Maserati (pre-facelift front of Model S). Model X and Y look kinda 'swollen', while 3 is kinda generic and budget looking from the exterior. P.S. Model S is not a hatchback, its a liftback, so a sedan but with rear window being a part of liftgate. Hatchbacks are more boxy, like Golf.
Another Tesla biased review. I test drove many many many EV before purchasing the IPACE. I was a huge Tesla fan. It was always me dream car so when I decided to pull the trigger, I test drove them all. Audi, Jaguar. Hyundai. Nissan. Kia, etc. You did the Tesla S drive was wonderful. I felt every bump on the rode when I test drove it. Audi and Jaguar blow the Tesla away in comfort, luxury, and ride.
Ben your videos are great; keeps me up to speed with my Tesla. You didn't mention it but did the web browser work on this model S because my 2016's web browser is useless at dial up speeds or worse. It used to work and Tesla is unable or unwilling to fix it.
You seem to be making excuses for the fastest manufactured 4 door saloon car in the world. I own the 2019 Raven S Performance, which by your review, is far superior in speed, definitely comfort, when comparing to the 2020 S Performance. I'm perplexed that you were only getting 2.9 0 to 60 when mine gets 2.2 and 2.3 and 10.4 in the quarter mile in Ludacrus + mode. Recent software update in power in ludicrous mode + only. Lastly, there are comments stating to wait for the plaid S. Now that's ludacrus, since it's not going to hit Mach 1, but certainly will hurt your pocket book. I'm just sayin.
@@aussiet5817 I so much want to visit your country but with our out of control covid-19 that will have to be placed on the back burner. On my Tesla S Performance i was actually able to test it's speed on a local track here in southern California. My results where far better than the commentators results. So, my question is, do you frequently get software updates? It is software updates that continues to improve the overall performance and ride that simply amazes me. In the meantime, take care mate....
Excellent video! I love Tesla's and in the future when the world see's full electric vehicles dominating the roads Tesla will be smashing even more records. When that does happen I will miss the roar of a Lamborghini and the sounds of a V8 and V12 but we will all get used to it eventually! I really hope to owe a Tesla one day especially the Model S! You can have fun without ruining the Environment!
Ben, I think there might be a bit of an inaccuracy in your Dragy reporting. That 2.76 time is likely including the 1' rollout. Tesla reports it's times of the Model S by excluding the first foot of rollout. In the Dragy app itself you should be able to see the 1 foot rollout time as well on the performance report at the bottom, which should be about 1 to 2 tenths lower than the time you reported - so closer to 2.4 or 2.5 and more in line with Tesla's reporting. Also I'm guessing you didn't use the hidden launch mode as you were just on a random ramp on the highway, which gives it extra power and should allow it to hit close to the 2.4 time.
Did you used the launch mode? It is required for max performance. Those asphalts did look being over they best days, so there is propably room for improvements before going to race track
The newer cars likely have a much faster computer for the infotainment system, so updates aren't always possible. In those 4 years, transistor desnity have gone down significally, and the processors are much faster. Also the amount of memory will limit it too, and that has become cheaper than before
Fair minded analysis as always Ben. You, Rich, and Bjorn are my gotos. Wish you’d compared the handling between the Raven Model S and the Taycan since you’re one of the few who’ve driven both. Cheers.
Errm, what is it about the BMW i3? I notice some sub-positive bias there :-) You can disagree on styling, but it's one of the most innovative vehicles of its time, especially in the compact segment. It has been a tech incubator for the current 7 and 5 series. And yes, I like its styling too...
Can anyone point me in the direction of where I can get a comprehensive list/chart of what features, specs that have been added and subtracted with each release of a subsequently newer Model S? I'm mainly interested in 2017+. Thanks!
