Is Thabo Mbeki back at the centre of ANC politics? 

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We are still connecting the dots, thank you for your insight Sizwe. I do believe that it's now the time for the ANC to step aside, the natives have endured so much for the past three decades

Fair views , hence I always tell people that we should give another parties a Chance and give ANC a Chance to sort out their stuff

That's beautiful Mpinch... you're so calm and looking very humble. May God bless you.

TM is back to set the record straight and set the scene ablaze_ A Y E Y E!

I think we as black people are at a point in history where it's vital that the African continent prioritizes unity as one to take on the challenges of tomorrow. We keep talking about the South African economy, Nigerian economy etc., when we are going up against the American economy (21 trillion), China (14 trillion) etc. We are lightweights economically going up against heavyweights, and wondering why we are not winning.

The sound at the back is on point.. thanx for adding it

Very interesting - glad to have found your channel! It's so needed...wise analysis.

Well said young man, spot on.

Not only Mbeki with us members we are back from 2019 ekhaya Viva Anc vivaaaa,

Thanks, Sizwe for another balanced in-depth analysis. In my humble opinion, with all due respect to the old man, someone is ill advising the old man or he's miscalculating by seemingly choosing a faction, there was no need to make an example that was targeting SG of ANC in his former post, to return to ANC in this fashion is dicey it can be muddy there. His involvement in the ANC should be of a voice of reason rather than endorsing a certain faction over another, he must focus on illicit financial flows in the continent and contributing in the continent.

Love your level headed analysis. I wish you were in politics.

YOU ARE VERY MUCH ON POINT MY MAN!!!.

Interesting analysis Dr Sizwe.

Good article, thanks

Thanks for this video, Dr Mpofu. I was fascinated when I saw his speech from the EC ANC PEC press briefing. When I listened to his speech, I said to myself there should be no point where you think someone is phased out because of a particular political incident. In Mbeki's case, it was his removal as president of the country. What's clear is that he still believes in the ANC project. But I like your question about the timing of his speech and why he couldn't say anything when things went wrong.

Loved the video as always! Would be curious to hear your opinion on the recent drama in the PAP, old lines being dug rather than drawn in the sand.

On point again Ayeye keep doing good relevant sensible thought provoking and questioning more Ayeye bayakfuna bonke

Wonderful analysis💪🏾

interesting observations Doc. I can not help to wonder timing with the armsdeal case of former president Zuma and the apparent question on the Seriti commission.

Doc, this is great. Great narrative of ANC current politics.

I enjoyed the analysis. Particularly the factor you mentioned that Mbeki is not actually coming into the picture as a support of a faction but rather as a critical voice that could be the tripartite voice. If this is the case, then it gives an opportunity to the leadership contestation in the next conference, because it’s not the Zuma/Ramaphosa slates, but rather a third candidate may emerge. Which can drive the actual renewal theory the ANC is so desperately seeking. Yet again, at the conclusion of your presentation, you ask us a serious question, whether do we have the energy to stomach the ANC renewal process. Impeccable analysis as always Dr. ✊🏾

I like the way you analyze these dynamics

I think he will deepen the cracks. The ANC and political commentary is undermining the notion of brought Church. This notion is a sign of an outstanding ideology that needs serious attention for any meaningful renewal inside and outside the ANC. The current dominant ideologies in the form of communism and capitalism are represented in the ANC at the same time. They may not be represented by individuals who are deliberate about it but this is at the centre of South African politics. The separation of positions is towards a rhizome posture for the ANC. I however think the ideas impressed by Mmusi is a better expression of this ideology. We need to assert community-driven ideals as impressed in blockchain as a movement in the rhizome thinking context. We need to revisit the core of how we organise ourselves as communities. It can not be a brought church, the pastors can not agree on any verse. Great observation Dr, I just think that we need an organisation of elders of the world similar to the one lead by FW De Klerk for our elders to coach younger leadership from. Not the recycling of leaders that keep quiet.

It doesn't matter, makes no difference, he's "back" for revenge.

Amanda Ellis did an energy reading on South Africa - she read into Mbeki's role which I found interesting. Hearing Mbeki's recent speech reminded me of what Amanda saw.

One of the interesting observation I have made about ANC and its people is this notion of self-renewal. But then again this is what they have known their entire life and they seem to can't imagine life outside ANC. I recall the interview Eusibius McKaiser had once with Kgalema Motlanthe about issues that have engulfed ANC. True to himself Eusibius was able to corner Motlanthe to admitting that ANC is corrupt to the core and self correcting is near impossible. Despite his admission he still said he will continue to vote ANC. The likes of Malema (I am an EFF member) said they will die in the ANC when they were facing their expulsion. My wish is that looses enough electoral support. That would be their wakeup. It does not even need a simple majority. Lose enough votes to form a coalition government. But then that's the function of how tired the electorate is of their wayward ways.

I don't think it's a re-emergence to ANC politics. He has always been vocal about issues in the ANC, even during Zuma's administration. Only difference now is that he is given airtime, because in South Africa, it seems to be a culture to get airtime if you have a common enemy.

Would it be possible for you to invite TM. IF He agrees, maybe he would gladly give us the answers to the questions you are raising. I would love to see that day.

He's an Economist remember so moat politics scandals it's just noise to him just like to most economist, problem here is we have a economic problem and looking for political solutions

Thabo Mbeki mentioned that he will never vote for ANC, but now as soon as MK build he return back to the battle field

Sizwe, personally I just cannot see ANC renewing itself. There is too much infighting within this party. Leadership is very weak and there is no strategic focus. Can former president Mbeki please enjoy his retirement and only act as an advisor when approached by relevant people to do so.

I think come backs of former President Thabo Mbeki 'll make a difference...may God bless you.......all the best am new in this interesting channel .

Mr Mbeki has been the Best President since independence in 1994, no doubt at all . The only problem I have with him is when he stopped a group of people who wanted to SUE 10 corporations that proped up the national party and Caucasians in general, since1948 to date . I thought that was terrible of him .

If he could run again would you vote him in as president? Is there anything in the ANC constitution preventing him from running for head of that organisation? He could control the ANC and nominate a state president...

Someone wrote : The Duke of Idutywa is back on his high horse English, full of Sussex expletives adorned in the queens tongue. The same Duke of Idutywa who sold ISCOR which became Arcelor Mittal. Same Duke who closed down nursing and teaching colleges. The same Duke who gave SAA to Mitt Romney and Coleman Andrews via Saki Macozoma. Today SAA leases airlines and maintains them in dollars just like with fuel with no real assets. The same Duke who gave Telkom to his friends. This is the same Duke who after the formalization of National Lottery miraculously Zanele Mbeki scored over a R1billion in a National Lottery related tender. The same Duke who's vote was a secret. The Duke of Idutywa who could not even build his mother a proper house. Zanele Mbeki is probably amongst the few black women in this country who knows the shoe size of Johan Rupert and Nicky Oppenheimers wives. Doing business with them. She is a multimillionaire rumored to be a billionaire by just sitting on trusts and being awarded dividends. The same Duke who got a two thirds majority but never even flirted with the idea of Free Education, land expropriation without compensation, Nationalization of all commanding heights of the economy. Full of grand Zimbabwe tobacco in his pipe, the Duke is back on poetry yet silent about neoliberal austerity. It's amazing what plagiarizing an I am An Afrikan speech can do for one's confidence.

My take is that he's being brought back to the center of South African politics. It's certain leaders who have felt the need to invite him and seek his opinion on a number of issues. For instance he's been to KZN province on invitation to address or conduct lectures at the invitation of the provincial leadership.

One has noticed that possibility of him re-inserting himself with masterful guile and it fills one with the most horrific dread.

The separation of ANC and State responsibilities is possibly not the issue. Because it is easier for the deployee to implement resolutions. It becomes a problem now because the very same deployee is ranked high within the organizational structures which makes it hard to call them into order. Therefore this brings disimpowerment to the branches and members of the organization. Thabo Mbeki didn't challenge the ANC but took his silence because he knows something we don't about the organization at the time,and even though this was foreseen 27 years ago,the organization was not in the hands of the masses,but it became a facade masqueraded as the peoples movement. Honestly ANC has a very in-depth history that can be truly respected and appreciated,but it also has skeletons. We as the people of "South Africa" are very loud with our discomfort but very under educated in understanding both historical and current intricacies of our nation. It is wise to know that we are just hitting the surface of our problems, because solutions come from knowing and not media shaped opinions that we regurgitate to each other.

After watching this video I was left confused regarding the ideology of politics

Get rid of all politicians! We the citizens need to run our country. We have very qualified and competent neutral citizens that will be able the lead our country. All politicians have a hidden agenda

Yes it's obvious big brother is back

ANC is a mess, it became worst during Zama’s tenure but so are other most African state post colonial liberty and I agree a lot needs to be done to change the status quo in current politics, humanity, culture and mostly education in other for most of us in keep in check. I like points raised a lot….. but coming off the son of EFF’s leader son; might be a bit absurd not to think you can completely not have your father in mind when commenting on issues…. Conflict of interest maybe? I can never quite trust your opinion, your ground already shaky turf not levelled at all. (Am just as young people we starting to take reigns in directing and trying stare things a bit, hope we one day get it right. Insightful video; am new here!)

Funny enough I just asked a colleague of mine during our lunch hour. What should we make of the return of former president Thabo Mbeki in ANC? He thinks his there to give direction to the party. He wouldn't let umbutho die whilst he his well known for conflict resolution & an experienced ANC Cadre. I think this party lost its compass when they mixed politics with large sums of money.

I enjoy listening to TM, I missed him but to be honest it doesn’t matter to me. I wish there was a catalyst to speed up the death of the ANC electorally so we can cobble together a Frankenstein of everyone else because I find the idea of SA inc being held hostage to ANC squabbles infuriating. In 2 decades they couldn’t make a dent to unemployment, poverty and inequality. I like Ramaposa but Forget the ANC man.

What Fmr Pres Mbeki said in ua part 3 how does it become a statement of fact from a view?

In the absence of hope for the ANC renewal then what do you propose "normal citizens" as you put it , should do ? - What is the alternative , can it be trusted , which constituencies do they claim to represent ?

I think Thabo is becoming a too selfish old man who should enjoy his pension . Why? 1) He is the source of the faction in the ANC when he wanted 3rd term 2) Denial of HIV and Zimbabwe situation 3) Failure to transform education and economy and land into the hands of majority but maintained imperialists monopoly. NASFS was not expanded to the poor 4)) Last but not least he is still Chancellor If Unisa where someone else has to benefit insteady of him . I think the former president benefit are enough to sustain him

uZizi.... Ayeye!!

I disagree with your point of Mbeki speaking out earlier. No one would’ve believed him and they would’ve called him bitter. He did when he got opportunities and did give subtle hints that all is not well in the ANC and South Africa. The reality is there is space for him now to speak out without any retaliation from the ANC or those who wield state power.

What statement of fact makes your comment in part two correct or wrong?

He is neutral, ANC needs a neutral leader, a messiah, someone who can clean up the Rot

After Ramaphosa SA do not have a president for me the president we have is Thabo Mbeki if u turn can be allowed

Sizwe does the ANC president get two salaries when they become president of the country?

His so called reasoning input was needed most during the Zuma administration.

He must return,theres No Option but RETURN

Please excuse my ignorance but wasn't TM knee-deep in the arms deal?

Detanglement of powers is a good point, the state of the ANC highlights this fact the president of the country should not necessarily b the president of the country, this process should come to an end.

#ANCMUSTFALL

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Hey Sizwe, my take on Pres. Mbeki's ANC renewal comments is somewhat different to yours. To me he was speaking to ANC members rather than to South Africa's populace and was appealing to them to accept and support the ANC renewal project. Showing them the dangers of not allowing for that renewal. I don't think he was asking SA's to be patient with the ANC therefore putting the ANC ahead of the country as you seem to suggest.

Between the turtle neck and goatee it presents a very strange floating face effect!

Just a stupid question.. which party outside the ANC can we trust to take SA forwrd?

What is it that he would like to do for the party/country that he forgot to do in the 14yrs he was both the deputy & the president of the country? Like Ramaphosa, he entered politics poor & came out a billionaire thru his wife & people poorer.

As if Hon Mbeki ever added value in our politics: 1 Education system was poor under his leadership:OBE 2. Economy was booming for the haves, but the gap between the poor and rich was ever expanding: Trickle down theory of Mbeki did not materialize. 3. Corruption: Mbeki did not question his then deputy President for using a military jet to shop in Dubai with her family and friends. 5. ARVs: Mbeki refused to help the affected South Africans. Yes he did well by becoming more vocal outside South Africa than inside. It does not matter what role he plays, the ANC is about to either die or evolve into another political antique in Africa. This party cannot self-correct.

Mbeki’s timing is perfect. He would’ve damaged his image if he spoke then after losing the elections. His input is needed now more than ever. He commands respect of the ANC and the nation, unlike other former presidents. Ramaphosa is doing his job very well. I also wish it could snip-snip.

Mbeki must come back not what we see come back and take the city

We should be truthful Mr Mbeki was ANC Reality President and leader of south africa and was fighting for corruption and poor people. On my personal view we should support him course Ramaphosa and his team they just want to destroy south africa for their benefit

Former President Thabo Mbeki is preaching one simple message, and that is " The chickens have come home to roost!!!!". This is of course referring to the Zuma administration, whereby he has on numerous occasions cautioned the ANC of the devastating impact the election of President Zuma will have on the party and the state. In a way, he is settling old Polokwane scores.

I would understand Mbeki as one who is speaking to an ANC audience about ANC priorities. Secondly, I would imagine that Mbeki has calculated that his generation is unable to prefer its own ideas about what the ANC should look like and has decided to take on the role of grandfather of the party. Time will tell if this is wise or if his fortunes and legacy were better protected with him remaining quiet.

Mr Mpofu's examining of Mbeki is very biased, Mbeki did criticize Zuma at some stage he was not totally silent about Zuma

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If possible he must be the secretary General

uTata uMbeki just wants to be relevant ukubana ningamlibali ukuthi usaphila. On a serious note, he needs take a permanent retirement and focus on his foundation. The best he can do is give or at least prepare(mentor) a young mind to take over. Ayeye!

Not only members of the ANC but their supporters will be held accountable for the crimes committed against this country.

Capitalists have no future in SA Government, we have lost SOEs to the biggest Capitalist called Ramaphosa, we are not ready for the former Capitalist called Mbeki, we need people like Malema who is more interested about the jobs and the well being of the Rainbow nation

Anc leaders suffer in silence because they themselves know that they are not clean.

He's obsessed with the ANC of thieves

Let not be fooled here, this is the time for him to settle the score after he lose to former President Zuma. This is not being done for the interest of our country, his doing it for himself. I'm sorry to say but this is the fact

Don't you think the President of the Country is not doing his/her job the party can recall him/her as it does now? Surely the Constitution and the Chapter 9 institutions together with the courts have done a sterling job in this regard. The problem we have really is to have a President of the Country who at the same time is the President of the Party. This has caused all this ruction. There has been no accountability at all. We were very lucky to have a very strong Public Protector who stood her ground at all costs. Thabo Mbeki is right in this regard. The party leader should not be the President of the Country. We do not need President ass licking followers but people who will fight corruption tooth and nail.

He is back because his handlers are back in control of the ANC.

You are really your father's son

Can a sangoma foresee wrong? Can we start again not to biased, understand why motion to support black people "tenders" coping China strategy for economic growth is being suppressed. Going back to what we have judged and finding deep truth will make us understand and forsee what is right going forward. Lokhu ukubukeka kudelelekile yikho okukaNkulunkulu yikho okuzoma. Okubuhlungu abazoma futhi ilabo abazovuma ukuthotshiswa noma bephenduke bavume ukuthi bahlulele bengakaqondi.

No

Ubuya uyaphi ngoba bayafana bonke ucelwe uthumamina bazobambisana kulobuqola

This is another bottle of whisky just as Zuma is. I think they are also packets of cigarettes

There's a lot that seem to be a joke about the ANC but if there's one thing that is deeply serious and meaningful about the athe ANC is that, ANC is the movement of the people in very sense of the word, meaning, it belongs to all - those who want to use it for the better or worse either way it belongs to all of us those who abundant it and those that even claim to be loyal to it. If the ANC won't work Mzansi is going to suffer, so the least we can do is to get it to work ideally by holding it accountable to the fact that it belongs to all South Africans not individuals

Deliberate bias views Sizwe, you could make balance by also including Former President Zuma.

T Mbeki comes at the right time, if he was out about the wrongs of the ANC during Zuma most ppl and even ANC will say he is ill-disciplined, they nominated Zuma knowing well that Mbeki was against that so we are suffering our wrong choice. We cant always blame ppl for our wrong votes, it was his right to keep his dignity. that time they wld have called him ill-disciplined. we should blame Malema, Vavi and blade etc for the suffering we have now. 2nd ANC can renew its self if the corrupt are taken out. the is no better party than the ANC, EFF will destroy SA and unemployment rate will be more than 80% if you check their policies.

Cyril's politics align with that of Mbeki hence him coming back ,also his enemy Zuma is no longer there ,he is just a bitter old man who never really got over Polokwane

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There's bitterness in his political utterances. An ousted President of the still has a responsibility to campaign for the party irrespective of the dynamics. Zuma did partake in ANC election campaigns irrespective. But, what I find it ironic in ANC politics is lack of continuity. If a leaders is recalled, he talks bad about his former leader. That is suicidal in the politics of the ANC for the nation. It's an indication of a party scratching with not pragmatic program to address needs of the marginalised. On the issue of careerism in the party, he himself never addressed it during his term as president of the party and the country. But, now he is giving it to others to pursue. Why? Am not saying it shouldn't be pursued. He is back to address things he never did in this tenure.

You are lacking the "informative energy" bruv

Only in SA can a president who has failed as dismally as TM come back to fore and play the moral arbiter.

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It won't help to bring a man back who is scared of and controlled by his wife.

Reason why his back it's because of his after Jacob Zuma blood, ha has been trying all along but Zuma his bit stronger than him

Nah, it's as simple as the enemy of my friend becoming my friend. He's more bitter towards JZ

You are by far the most bias analyst in the media platform. That's why you only ever have likes of Aubrey Matshiqi. You completely one sided in your analysis, clearly motivated by personal hatred of some sort.