if anyone has trained judo a a high level, like I have, you know that there is no 'flow or game" in Judo, whether tach-waza or ne-waza, its brutal explosive power.
you must be heavyweight or inexperienced. The flow in Judo happens at light speed in comparison to Jitz. Its there but much more difficult to ride that flow due to timing excellence needed in judo
Travis Stevens said in a Interview " Judo is something you have to do and you have no time to set up a game or a flow" i have much respect for judoka's they are killers! 🇯🇵⛩️🥋
That's pretty much the crux of traditional martial arts. It's taught badly by people who don't know how to fight. The techniques themselves are fine but they don't work independently of size and strength. the limitation with Judo is there are some people who are just too big and strong to throw.
Royce was the smallest guy in the tournament and had to fight Ken Shamrock of all people. Whoever was the best he'd have to fight no matter how his family organized the tournament.
@@timo4258 he could actually use his wrestling shoes, however he chose not to because you weren't allowed to kick with them. (The boxer guy had his shoes on.) Grabbing your own gi can set up submissions like an ezekiel, however it also gives your opponent an anchor to grab on. Plus without the gi, you're a lot more slippery. The main reason Gracie wore his gi was to make them less slippery. You can still be a very good wrestler without your shoes.
@@timo4258 also in UFC 2 or 3 I believe a Judo guy came in with his gi too and got smashed by someone who didn't. It's not that major of a factor when you have high skilled people fighting. If you want an example of a BJJ guy being effective without the gi look at Rickson Gracie, who didn't compete in his family tournaments, and did even better than Royce.
German Jiu Jitsu is an interesting format. They start out on the feet moving and striking like karateka, but must engage in a clinch within 20-30 seconds, otherwise there's a warning. From here it's mostly judo throws and standing submissons, unless someone breaks the clinch. Then they're back in the karate phase. Kinda weird. If the fight goes to the ground, you got 15 secs to do a complete pin or a submission. If you can get back up, it's either back to striking or the clinch, depending on whether anyone has a grip on the other guy. Can't strike below the waist, but can use takedowns below the waist such as double legs. I hear they've been incorporating Sambo and Muay Thai techniques too lately. It has a certain charm, I think it could be a thing if it was more internationally widespread.
The mindset for judo in terms of grappling is closer to MMA than BJJ is. For example, you're taught in judo that being in guard is losing, being put in side control is losing, and to really work at getting out of those positions quickly. With a good coach, judo has tremendous value for MMA. On the flip side, sometimes they don't even know escapes. BJJ has a lot of value in it's focus on groundwork and technique. It's weakness is that a lot of the time you take your time in certain positions where you will be punched in the face. My judo coach says to not take anything as gospel though. And he is right, in mindset, if it makes sense, believe it, and keep an open mind. I could be wrong and I'm willing to accept that
Judo doesn't teach that the guard is losing lol. In judo you have to pass guard quickly because people will stall in the guard if they want to be stood up
Funny that In reality Judo does not translate well in MMA. The throws mostly only works with gi and the ground work of the Judokas are mostly mediocre at its best. That is why there are are no big representatives in Judo in MMA.
@@aluisiofsjr judo isn't widely practiced in the west and MMA is largely American with a small amount of fighters coming from Europe or Latin America. If the UFC had more Asian fighters, or if judo was as popular as wrestling, then you would see more judo representatives. The few Americans that have performed well in Olympic judo have done quite well in MMA
I did Judo as a kid. It still helps me as a grown up and in the random fights that I had because I don't hurt myself when I fall down. During my teen years I played handball and even there it helped me from not being insured while falling. Judo rocks.
I started out in learning Boxing(mixed with Muay Thai) from my grandfather, along with Jiu-Jitsu mixed with wrestling from him as a kid, and Kodokan Judo in junior high(made it to blue belt in the 3 years from 6th to 8th grade), all these martial disciplines really helped me with life, discipline, focus, determination, and self-defense.
Great message. I got into Taiji primarily for health reasons after the military. I was fortunate that my first teacher was like an older brother with a wrestling background. Every application was a throw of takedown. Later I got to touch a few people with legit Taiji skills. Eventually I want to learn catch wrestling and learn how thai boxers spar since I just moved to Thailand. Really hope to get to Shanghai to meet you and Antonio since travel is so cheap in Asia, but I'm afraid of my wife shopping in Shanghai! 😂😂😂
This was why i loved ufc. You saw an wrestler vs a boxer. Or karate vs judo. Or wrestler vs jiu jitsu. Now everybody knows a bit of everything. Which is better than doing only 1 thing. But still....i dont know what to expect. If i see a gracie vs an judoka i would more likely to watch an mma fight
Great video. I like how you pointed out the importance of having nuanced skill set or knowledge of different skill sets. A point I find myself often musing on is how you mentioned the effectiveness of decreasing the variables. That's something that isn't just applied to fights but also any contest involving strategy. Losing a queen in chess is a blow to tactical position because that piece has the most mobility and thus has the most options. Stuns are often quite helpful in games because they remove the factors involving the opponent taking any action, or even move. The Silence effect is strong in games because they take away the characters options in terms of using their abilities and by extension the variables that would have come into play with the use of their abilities, damage, buffs, debuffs etc.
RAMSEY RAMSEY: your dream fighting competition is kinda coming true: GIANT VS GIANT: HAFTHOR VS EDDIE HALL. A video of your predictions/opinions/reviews of each fighter/what this means for the fighting sport/etc. would be an awesome thing to watch from you!!!
I’m a judoka and I think that the stalling flat on your stomach is so contradictory because you can be penalised for stalling whilst standing yet not when you’re stalling in ground.
Yes exactly, and they way in which takedowns are graded as well. Whoever initiated the takedown gets points, regardless of positional control. This isn’t to say they don’t teach to have positional control, only that the rule set can create hap hazard takedowns without regard for who ultimately ends up on top. Which is why no single art will make a good MMA fighter, only good aspects from each one.
I train at a mixed martial arts gym and do mostly gi and no gi jiu jitsu with the gi and no gi competition style classes with a dash of striking. I highly recommend going to your MMA gyms fight team class to see how you perform with strikes!
I appreciate your input. I sincerely believe that judo is "the shit" (to know). I have trained with olympian judokas and will say this! It is almost not fair to the one who does not know judo (in the cage or elsewhere when he has to compete against the judo fighter). if you know absolutely no judo (in there) you are guaranteed to be going "air born" and will not see it coming. I love your no gi judo stuff and will be watching everything that you put out and thanks!
Karo Parysian was the UFC'S male judoka. GSP destroyed him though. GSP destroyed everyone. I was hoping to get a comment about sport sambo vs kosen judo. The kosen rules allowing for more newaza than IJF rules.
Guy Metzger's fight with Christophe Leininger in the UFC somewhat showcased that whole, "hockey fight" technique, by holding onto the gi and bombarding Leininger with right hands. Love hearing and talking about such topics - keep up the good work!
I think there was a MMA/Vale Tudo tournament were all the fighters had to wear kimonos, an early Tsuyoshi Kosaka fought in there and won the finals against an also newbie Egan Inoue.
Yeah Judo people claim that you will always be knocked out when you're slammed, and that being on your back is instant lose. While I genuinely can't think of more finishing moves from a domaminant position than from the guard
@Xandrog Zodbolt from a state level champion idiot. Most Judokas who even train for years can only beat up untrained people but when they meet the same level bjj player they won't "just ippon seoi nage them bro" lmao. Gtfo
@@giannibleya7690 idk man. I've been to Saint Louis KC, KCK, Illinois, and Colorado for amature and Pro MMA fighters Bellator and Shamrock. Every guy I've seen hold guard just ate Elbows and punches. Rarely I've seen guard work in MMA and when it does its usually fighters who are at a elite level.
@@giannibleya7690 From a state level judoka, I can tell you, pulling guard is incredibly stupid. I can also tell you "only beat up untrained fighters" is total bullshido. Judo works against most people period. If it didn't, then why do police and military both use judo and not BJJ?
Good question and I like your take on it Dewey. Not focusing on one particular art but integrating them for your own use. Wouldn't the answer also heavily depend on who your opponent is? As a weaker guy, wouldn't it be important to always train "worst case" scenario. Learning to escape the back, mount, side, isn't that an extremely good skill to have? But also learn to attack from a defensive position? In my opinion BJJ covers these basics better than Judo. Thanks.
I think the whole point of rewarding points for knee on belly is that it shows control. Putting knee on belly for 3s shows you're the one in control and not just hugging the guy in side mound.
Hey Ramsey! I got a few questions, maybe there is something for you. First, what can you advice to me for being a better teacher for Martial arts? I'd like to give classes and still I do not quite know how to break down the stuff I do because I kind of doing it unconsciously. Second: What do you think of the idea that there is no 'brazilian' Ju-Jutsu or 'japanese' Ju-Jutsu but only 'Ju-Jutsu' with certain accents like self defense or ground fighting? And third: I simply would like to see a video of you showing what you eat in a day. I know you already did one or two of these but many of your subscribers including myself enjoyed them very much so I would be happy to see one of it again. Anyway, the fact that "Allkampf" or how you called it 'german Ju-Jutsu' is not a thing in other countries really blowed my mind, eventhough I live in germany. Have a nice day and enjoy yourself. Bye bye 🇩🇪✌
Hey Mr Dewey! First of all, thanks for the content! This video made me remember the only martial art I've had a bit of experience and training with, graeco-roman wrestling; and I'd like to know your overall views(if any) on it, as well as how relevant/efficient it would be nowadays, given the focus on throws and upper body "action". I remember that during the short period that it was available in my small town there were many BJJ people partaking on it as well, I guess this made me remember haha. Have you got any thoughts/experience on the matter? I'd just love to hear your remarks and so on. Much love and respect, all the best to you and yours as always! Cheers
"Adding a gi to MMA radically changed the striking phase". Practising a combat sport combining wrestling & striking while wearing a gi (Yoseikan Budo), I also felt the difference. I had to adapt my grips & repertoire according to the most common transitions from striking.
Coach Ramsey should review Kegan Ashura, the anime on Netflix. It's an exaggerated version of martial arts but the movements are most of the time legit.
Considering that a BJJ black belt often takes as long to get as a judo 2nd or even 3rd degree (assuming serious frequent competition), I think that would be a more even comparison. In my experience, which includes training with 20+ judoka ranked sandan and above over the years, the consistency among them is comparable to bjj black belts. Judo just adheres to the more Japanese notion that shodan is a rank for advanced students but not even qualified to teach independently, which is more or less the position of purple in bjj.
@@danieldonade4196 I'm from Ohio, did most of my judo while living in Oklahoma at dojos run by Joel Holloway and Nick Lowry, and then later in Pennsylvania with Ray Huxen.
@@Tovish1988thanks! I'm surprised how you guys in the US put BJJ in a such a high position compared to Judo. You live in a very particular reality and I think you shouldn't expand it to the rest of the world.
@@danieldonade4196 I don't consider bjj better, here or anywhere I've seen it. I think it's pretty universal though that bjj takes more time to get to black belt ranks, and more time means more practice.
@@danieldonade4196It’s not even that we put it in a high position, if you take the years to get a purple belt it’s about the same number of years it takes to get a black belt. I mean ok, yes Americans do put a lot more value in jiu jitsu than other countries, but he’s just comparing the timelines directly. That’s all.
If I hear the term sports jiu jitsu one more time I might puke. After hearing a mcdojo say it to describe why it is an ineffective martial art. If you think there is no aggression in bjj you have never rolled. What bjj has over other martial arts is that you have to control your aggression and energy. Keenan Cornelius said it best, when he said no adcc techniques wouldn't work most of the time in a street fight, but all you have to do is revert to the basics of bjj and any decent black belt will be fine sports jiu jitsu is jiu jitsu designed to beat jiu jitsu
"What bjj has over other martial arts is that you have to control your aggression and energy. " Bru ! you find this skill in any art that does live sparring, judo, boxing, wrestling etc... it's nowhere near a special asset of bjj.
Maxime Lupinski great points but yeah, in every sport you gotta control your energy and aggression. Although it’s true that control and technique is vital to bjj, in the highest levels of every other martial art it becomes equally as important
Hey coach, what are your thoughts on former strongman Eddie Hall agreeing to fight Hafthor bjornsson in a boxing match, how do you think it'll go down and how would you prepare them for a boxing match?
Eddie just smashed the Hammer hold WR as a Compare. Eddie should win he has been a Sportsman as well as an Athlete. He should study Tyson. As he is 6"3 and Hawthorn is near 7 feet. His chin is exposed often and he takes his hands back low then raises them. If he corrects those aspects he'd gain a lot.
Hey there Coach, i have a question. I saw you teaching us in youtube about how pulling exercises translate to punching. My question is:" If thats the case, then what is pushing strength (pushups)good for in a fight, what does it help? Thank you for the knowledge. May God bless you and your family.
All human movements can be broken down into pushing, pulling, and twisting. Punching is a complex motor movement that utilizes all three- especially pulling and twisting. As far as pushing strength goes, squatting trumps bench pressing by a huge factor as far as combative applications.
2 years late but many mma guys start in wrestling. They don't need judo, they need bjj. Walking in with no experience, judo would have been better for me in mma.
Hi Dewey! I am a 17 year old boxer in Atlanta. I love boxing but would also love to learn a ground sport, specifically jujitsu. I planned to start learning about a month ago, as there is a real Gracie jujitsu dojo right down the street but obviously these plans have fell through. Is there a good way to learn online for free? And tips or RU-vid channels and is this even achievable or productive? I have a friend who wants to learn with me. Thanks so much!
There's Gracie combatives, designed for video teaching. That is the foundation of my bjj and I use the techniques every time I roll. Very useful for mma because they focus on defense against striking. You will need experience rolling and you will have to build on what you learn there, but it's affordable like maybe 150 total, and it'll keep you occupied for like six months if you rinse and repeat according to their scheduling instructions. Not sure if it's six months but it's 36 techniques that you are supposed to repeat either three or six times each. Not a waste of time, I did them by myself. Do it before you start bjj because it will affect your mindset and give you standards to compare against when u start rolling at gjj or bjj. And by the way after you do combative just think for yourself whether you want gjj or bjj. I started with gjj but my local Gracie affiliated school lied to me about one issue and seemed like they were deliberately dragging out the instruction. Top guy seemed off to me plus he was a blue belt. Anyway as I write this I just got my second vaccine shot today so I suspect this nightmare is almost over... we hope? But honestly even if you are able to engage at a school the Gracie curriculum is excellent and will supplement whatever you learn elsewhere. Best of luck to you. Gracie combatives is the basis of what I know but I've been at a bjj school for four years. It has served me very well I highly recommend it.
Great points to have in mind. i have a QUESTION: what do you think of martial arts that claim a doubtful origin story but teach good martial arts techniques? in argentina there are 2 martial arts that fall in that cathegory... SIPALKI claims that it cames from the arts of ancient korean warriors but evidence shows it might be an ofshoot of hapkido... the multiple times world champion in kickboxing and muay thai, cristian serpiente bosch practiced it and when in an interview he was asked something like "was it hard to change from sipalki to combat sports?" he answerd something like "yeah, because most of the things i could do in sipalki were not allowed, sipalki was the closest thing to mma in argentina at the time" to resume their technicall side, its hapkido + swords and other random weapons... to resume the rules, you can punch above the waist except the throat, the back of the head, the spine, the kidneys and the "triangle of the face" wich means, you can hit the head but not straight to the nose, mouth or eyes... kicks, anywhere but genitals or the places where punching is not allowed... another thing is you cant strike against a joint... so, no oblique kicks... but any throw(including those done by joint manipulation) are allowed... you can strike on the ground with either punches or kicks... knees and elbows are not allowed, you can do jointlocks as submission, but instead of winning right away you get 4 points(punches give 1 point, kicks 2 points, throws, locks or complex techniques 3 or 4 depending on how difficult the technique is) there is no oficial time limit on the ground bt if you dont execute a technique right away the refferee stops the fight to start on your feet... there is a light contact version, but its continuous, not stop and go... then there is the full contact version... and then there is chaiu do kwan... wich is an offshoot of sipalki, they have a 5 seconds time limit on the ground... you cant strike on the ground but you can win points with a pin of 5 seconds... they focus much more on the grappling, other than that... same rules than sipalki... whats your opinion on those types of arts?
@@memysurname7521 to be honest? I did bjj for.a while, then i did sipalki... I dont knoe about vale tudo, it might be much better but i have no access to it... But turns out the weird korean art is really cool... Its on the same level of kudo, combat sambo snd other arts like thst
We should be focusing on techniques that are compatible and useful to our own fighting style rather which style or form is best (best for who?) there is no point learning and style if we can't apply them effectively.
You can have both strength and flexibility. They are not mutually exclusive. I've seen giant professional bodybuilders who can do the splits and touch any point on their back with their hands.
Hey, Ramsay, love your channel, dude. For a long time I was one of these delusional guys who believed Kung Fu was the real shit. Your videos helped me to see how the things work. Besides I don't have any interest on MMA, I like your analysis about martial arts and fighting technics. I practiced Judo when I was a kid for some good time and I'm interested in coming back. However, I don't care so much for the sport aspect. If possible, I wanna train having access to all the technics and having days where I practice without kimono. Is there some kind of judo training like this?
Depends on the person and how they use it, jujitsu is probably more efficient at actually ending the fight but judo can do just the same but jujitsu seems more experienced with submissions and less throwing the opponent around.
1 solid judo throw and no amount of bjj skill is gonna matter because you're done before you even have a chance to use it, you can't submit what you can't take down first
9:16 The answer to this question is because Horion Gracie being a sponsor of UFC 1 manipulated the ruleset to the advantage of Royce. Nobody else but Royce was allowed to wear his uniform. For people who don't know a gi or uniform in BJJ can be used as a weapon. The Gracies also handpicked the opponents of Royce. Strikers who cannot defend the double leg takedown. Imagine if there were catch wrestlers invited to UFC 1. The history of MMA will be different to what it is now.
@@RamseyDewey Ken Shamrock is a shootfighter, not quite a catch wrestler like Sakuraba. See the difference. You missed one point, Royce was the only fighter allowed to wear his gi as a weapon. Royce choked Ken with his gi whilst Ken was not allowed to wear his shoes.
@@jansenjuan9800 Shooto/shootfighting is what the Japanese called Catch Wrestling. Shooto is an anglicism for "Straight Shooting", or a "shoot" for short (meaning a real fight) as opposed to a work, or a worked fight (a scripted wrestling match like the WWE) Ken was trained by a litany of American pro wrestlers with backgrounds in collegiate, folk style, greco roman, and CACC.
@@jansenjuan9800 As for the other fighters of UFC1 not being allowed to wear a gi... What? First of all, no one else in that tournament trained in a gi. Secondly, wearing a gi would have made even easier for Royce to control and strangle them. Art Jimmerson = boxer. No gi. Ken Shamrock = wrester. No gi Gerard Gordeau = savate. No gi Teila Tuli = sumo. No gi Patrick Smith = Kickboxing. No gi Kevin Rosier = boxing & kickboxing. No gi Zane Frazier = kenpo... gi. Only one of those guys even used a gi for their sport, and he was smart not to wear it, because if you don't know judo/jiu-jitsu/sambo/shuai jiao jacket grip fighting, and you don't know how to grapple, you will get absolutely spanked by an experienced grappler who knows how to use that uniform against you.
Last point, if someone had beaten Royce and made him look bad in UFC1, you never would have heard of UFC1. Art Davie and Rorion Gracie would have buried the footage and tried again later.
It's already super practical. It takes like an afternoon to figure out how to change from gi to nogi grips. And leaning striking and strike defense basics is easy enough to an experienced judoka. Just don't lean on your inexperienced striking (talking to you, Rousey vs Holm, why tf were you trying to strike against a world champion boxer!?!?!).
When I was younger, I ocassionally visited some acquaintances at their small local MMA training grounds. They generally thought BJJ was the greatest thing ever and Judo was not effective. I generally did not state more than my opinion that they were wrong. Now, this is the thing, they NEVER experienced me fighting at even 75% not to speak of 100% because I was REALLY afraid of hurting any of them with Judo. I was always at around 50% effort in my standup with them. So, they never actually KNEW what was going on, nor would their MMA pride allow them to understand. You see, in Judo it gets drilled into your head that you have to protect those who are not as skilled as you. and you certainly do not toss someone less skilled without a conscious awareness of their safety. Judo without a safety pin is the most dangerous thing out there: you can break bones and split skulls, break necks in seconds... IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO.
Hi gayland. i am a pure muay thai fighter and i think muay thai is a fantastic sport, up until you get picked up and slammed on concrete by a judoka or mounted and submitted... lol.
I think both judo and BJJ work well together it’s pretty much one style Broken into two. Personal i think one should aim to get a black in both that person would be amazing. Their is a lot of strength to be learned from both. Which could patch out the others weaknesses.
*8:00** I can explain how German Jiu-Jitusu competitions work:* 1.The Martial Art is called "Ju Jutsu in Germany. It's related to traditional Japanese Jujutsu and was developed in Germany in the 1960s using techniques from Jujutsu, Judo, Karate and various other traditional and modern martial arts. _Although it incorporates ground techniques, It doesn't have that much to do with BJJ_ 2. The Competition rules *don't allow for strikes once the opponent has been sucessfully grabbed.* This (amongst other restrictions) makes the Ju Jutsu competition not all that comparable to MMA.
Hey Ramsey. Do you think that the lack of MMA style fights in the past meant styles became complicent and even lost a lot that made them good? I ask this because I practice Kyokushin and bought a couple old books from mas oyama (this is karate and advanced karate) and noticed that only a small area was taken up by what I call kickboxing range, the vast majority was stand up clinch range with some judo throws. It seems a streamlined approach was taken to favour the more entertaining side of Kyokushin instead of practicality.
If you examine the kata of any legitimate karate style, you will learn that a great deal of the techniques taught are grappling, hand fighting, clinching, throws, sweeps, trips, and takedowns. And when you contrast that with almost every single form of sport karate, which has been distilled almost exclusively into kicking and punching, you can see that a great deal of knowledge has been lost.
@@RamseyDewey I have found that. With no gym open at the moment so I've been finally dive into Kata and found a lot of really interesting applications I'd like to try on a resisting opponent.
Dear @Ramsey, My problem is lightly different. I have praticed BJJ for two years as white belt, but the course is quitted for many reasons. The last year I discover Judo and I'm Yellow belt now, but a class mate of my former instructor want to restart the BJJ course. I'm very confused, because I love both Judo and BJJ. I'm also an amateur of 35 years old with family and job. What do you think about? Thanks. :(
Hey, is personally recommend finding a gym that has both. If not that then any training is better than no training. Stay at your Judo school for a year or two and then go train Jiu Jitsu for awhile. Switch back and forth as you care to. Eventually you’ll either slowly get good at both or you’ll find one you like more and gravitate towards that. I do know most gyms are open to cross training. I’m currently training judo, but one of the black belts there loves getting in a round or two of jiu jitsu after class with me. For me it’s enough to satiate my jiu jitsu wants, only a couple rolls a week, but also allowing me to train judo, a new art to me. Hope my comments helps you decide what you’re gonna do :)
I have a question concerning the guard: is the guard beneficial in bjj and mma just because you are not allowed to kick someone in the nuts? If this were allowed, the guard would be very dangerous, no?
No. Not even remotely. “Guard” means protect. In boxing, the guard is your shoulders, arms, and hands working to protect your head and body from damage. If you have been taken down and put on your back against your will, the “guard” is now your legs between you and your opponent. Just as in boxing, there are many guards to protect the head and body from strikes, on the ground, there are many guards to protect you from strikes and to optimize your ability to stand up, sweep your opponent and get on top, or catch him with a submission.
Judo is just not readily available to practice in the states. Brazil BJJ is king. Russia its popular and thus almost every russian fighter has a judo background. Korea its popular and almost everyone has a judo background. I personally love judo btw. I dont think it translates too well into cage fighting rules.
Hey Ramsey, i have never done any combat sports or martial arts before but would like to get into it, due to the lockdown circumstances it is not possible to go to a gym, do you have any recommendations for things to start with so that i can be ready to sign up as soon as the quarentine ends?
Great video as always coach. Quick question, would you call Muay Thai a TMA given its long length of practice tradition? Therefore does it make it a point in favour of TMA?
Pretty sure Muay Thai evolved from Muay Boran (?), which by all means is a TMA. Muay Thai tho is less of a Martial Art than a combat sport - in Germany we categorize unarmed warfare as combat sport or martial art. Therefore I think the roots of Muay Thai are definitely TMA, but all in all its not a TMA.
Had the end of the day guys remember size and strength does matter if it didn't we wouldn't have weight classes in the UFC It would still be an open weight free for all
Who would have thought, if you want to be a well-rounded mixed martial artist, you have to know a well-rounded mix of martial arts and actually trained MMA.
When people talk about Rousey losing, they ignore the single biggest factor in her loses: her gullibility. She believed her boxing coach when he told her she was an elite striker. I wish she hadn't. She started the fight with Holm as a boxer, and got rocked hard before she ever went for a take down. Would she have won if she'd played to her single strength? I don't know. No one does. She did the same thing against Nunes: she tried to meet Nunes as a boxer. Again, she might not have won if she'd gone back to her judoka roots, but she probably would've made a better showing.
To be clear: I don't actually LIKE Rousey. I've never been a personal fan of hers (though I was and am impressed with her win streak). But anyone who says she was exposed as a terrible fighter by Holm and Nunes... eh. She was exposed as having not-elite boxing, and relying on that skillset more than she should have.
@@theterrar3566 overconfident should have been Rockhold's fighting nickname. But honestly I'm okay with watching Rockhold get destroyed. I'm no fan of Rousey, but Rockhold is one of very few people I haven't met who I actively dislike.
@@harjutapa Rockhold is a nice guy actually. He's been bullied for a long time. He's just awkward and doesn't know how to sell a fight but pretends he does and puts on a fake act.
Hi Ramsey and audience For someone interested in starting Judo training that is coming from a boxing/ Muay Thai background. Would you recommend a lefty Judo stance ? Or stick with the orthodox stance for each style ?
On this note, I have a judo back ground and train mostly mma now, but I feel using judo in training is to dangerous! (but not like that) It seems mma and bjj gyms only have relatively thin Matts on the floor, not on sprung boards like judo dojo’s. Also not many mma hobbyists and amateur fighters(my level) know how to safely avoid a judo trips,sweeps or throws, especially in the more chaotic and tangled environment of a no gi cage fight/spa. Because of that, every time I find myself in a position to use a judoish technique, someone gets hurt, or nearly hurt. And so I’ve kind of stopped using it out of fear of hurting my training parters, which sucks because I’d love to be able to train it more. Is my fear of hurting my partners unfounded and they should be responsible for taking a fall to avoid injury or am I right to desregard basically my entire arson of stand up grappling and keep it to what they know to limit accidents occurring?.
And without gloves, standups, or rounds. That would also make it safer. Way more head trauma since they started using gloves, standing them up, and instituting rounds.
Reply to @MMA MMA Best Kickboxer: Overeem(The best kickboxing resume in MMA history tied with Cro cop) Boxer: tough one but rn Stipe is the best boxer imo. His fight with Ngannou proved why Wrestling: DC, Cejudo(tie) BJJ: Maia Overall: Jon Jones/ Zhabit
Kickboxing -- what about Israel Adesanya , Wonderboy ?? Boxing -- what about McGregor ? Wrestling -- what about Khabib , GSP ?. BJJ - what about Tony , Oliveira ?? Overall -- what about Tony Ferguson ?
@@kaizen_monk Israel was never on the level of Reem in kickboxing. McGregor mixes his strikes with kicks very well but he's not as good a boxer as Stipe. Khabib is good against the cage but Cejudo and DC were Olympians. Maia is the most accomplished BJJ fighter. Tony could have made the list
@@glenn1001 israel was never on that level .. really ?? He was former kick boxing champion...he even wins all of his MMA fights bcz of his skills in kickboxing...same goes for McGregor.. Khabib beats cejudo & goes toe to toe with DC , it's just that he is so excellent in pinning against the cage mailing that we think he can't wrestle in open area ...
@@kaizen_monk Overeem had a far better kickboxing record. Glory doesn't have the same level of competition K1 had. Not even close. Look up Overeem's record. He was the best in the world at Kickboxing at one time. Izzy never was
@@mmamma5368 id say he is actually, the romero fight makes up for a great comparison, good thing is were about to get the answer to this question pretty soon !
@@f0cus2021SOT No way. Izzy was a kickboxer. Overeem is the best kickboxer. He actually was the best kickboxer at one point. No mma fighter would survive a kickboxing fight
10th planet jiu jitsu fixes the problem of adaptation that traditional bjj has towards mma. And I'm not only talking about the no-gi nature of it, but also many other aspects such as how submissions or submission set-ups, guards and sweeps are being teached in such a way, that it takes into account your opponent countering you by striking, slamming or any other non bjj move there is.
I mean you do still learn the important judo techniques in bjj schools and counpled with wrestling training... You really do not need to go to a separate judo school to learn takedowns. In my opinion I would rather spend that time improving my striking.
@@emperorjimmu9941 I'd agree BJJ guys don't hone a takedowns like judo. But it would be detrimental for them to train a throw as often because ipons don't exist in BJJ it's the ground that needs to be the main focus for competition. The rules of the sport dictate the direction the art moves in.
@@emperorjimmu9941 I can confirm this. I have had a Judo technique explained to me by a BJJ practitioner and I have had a Judoka explain that same technique to me and there is a big difference. The Judoka can explain throws in so much more depth and I found it more helpful because I was actually taught the principles behind a throw instead of just memorizing a movement. No disrespect to BJJ of course, it's just not what they focus on.
We got a bjj blackbelt and a judo blackbelt as instructors at my gym and the Judo coach is miles better at executing and teaching takedowns. And in my experience in BJJ they usually teach like 5 Judo throws and there are countless. Definitely train Judo additionally if you get the chance. It also improves your ground work. Trying to pin our Judo guys or trying to get out of their pin is a huge pain in the ass, because they have amazing control and defense.
I think that the even SAMBO wrestling mentality is better than Judo for MMA however I think the Catch wrestling mentality is most likely better then even SAMBO wrestling or Judo but with that being said I think that you definantly still need sports specific training for MMA.
Can't believe people compare me to Saitama. He's so full of himself. He calls himself the 'one punch man' smh. Not only that he thinks he is the greatest looking bald guy. Shameless. There's not a man in this baldosphere who is sexier than me.
@Ramsey Dewey Wait. Did you just say take what's useful and discard the rest? Have you been reading Bruce Lee again? :D I know, I know, it's just common sense.
Judo is a weird one. I think of it as a frequently semi-mixed or lightly mixed martial art. Judoka often have a bit of training in something else but judo is also something where you can be really effective with a super limited skillset. So people end up with crazy lop-sided games. Sacrificial throws and the way they treat single/double legs these days also don't help. MMA in the gi sounds fun, hope it gains more traction. I think all rulesets and variants of the now standard cage fight setup deserve some exploration.
I loved judo as an adult. In my youth did the kung fu stuff. In my early youth experienced some boxing stuff and the Captain Fairburn thing. Obviously one or two of these guys had been getting lessons fron their dads.
Judo black belt definition is not one bit like BJJ where it based on fighting ability. IN Judo. it depends on your country what it takes. typically some competition success (very moderate) and ability to show set of techniques. But there are countries where it strongly dependent on competition success. In kodokan you can get black belt in about year and a half while in most countries it takes -5-8 year for actively trainin person. So judo 1 dan can olympic level playet or person who never attended single match. And obviously judo is not way to train MMA.
I like this video a lot I did bjj for a few years and I started judo, I was curious about what you see as natural strengths and weaknesses of bjj compared to judo. I mean on the ground... sorry... obviously judo focuses on randori and standing techniques but I mean what are the common strengths and weaknesses of judo players on the ground. Obviously judo players are strong and explosive, I don't believe they are the same as either wrestlers or untrained people on the ground. Sometimes strong sometimes weak on the ground but what are the typical areas where a bjj player might exploit weaknesses, where his technique will be stronger. I don't just mean that judo people stop fighting after 15 seconds, assuming they continue fighting. Analogously, a right handed person has techniques that are typically useless against left handed people, and in theory there must be techniques that work disproportionately well against opposite handed people. In the same way there must be techniques that are neutralized by judo knowledge,, and there must be techniques that are foreign to judo players.. Thank you very much
Having done both, I feel like judo is better. Because of the actual rulesets but also because I find BJJ to be softer. With BJJ they're a lot softer and tend to frown upon fast explosive movements.
This is why BJJ is more productive tho, no? If you have striking or western wrestling as a base why would you learn Judo? If you have BJJ as a base why would you learn Judo? Besides, why are we pretending BJJ as a learned art and as a base isn't more successful than Judo for MMA? If you are learning for self defense Judo just become a worst option. Is hasher and people have jobs, kids to run around with, aren't athletic, etc. Then you have the Gi, the limited grips that are allowed, single and doubles are banned, etc. Judo is good for Judo, but not much more.
You forgot another big name in MMA who his Judo stood out, that’s Karo Parisyan. Kyla Harrison too. Judo is a great martial art even in MMA even though they might have lots of emphasis on the gi and some funny rules In competition.
@Jordan Gill and those who trained BJJ (Judo Newaza) get beaten by those who trained Judo. And it isn’t only 2-3 people who trained judo hard in MMA. You will be surprised that there are lots of MMA fighters who came from Judo backgrounds. Some are retired already and some still fight. Lots of the rest Asian, Russians and Dagestani fighters trained Judo. Just like Khabib and Fedor Emilianenko.
@Jordan Gill BJJ is Judo Newaza. You just have to spend more time on the ground if you train judo and you want to use it in MMA. And the idea that Judo needs a gi, that’s simply not true. It is better with a gi. But it doesn’t have to be with a gi. I see lots of so called BJJ black belts who can’t even take their opponents down nor throw them in MMA. A high level Judoka can throw people down and submit them. Every art is modified in MMA. Even BJJ. And so does Judo has to be a little modified in MMA.
Weather your a BJJ black belt or Judo black belt or division one wrestler go out there and learn some striking. Ramsey could not have said it better of how important it is to cross train.
You can learn techniques from both styles and apply them to them in the right situation. The key is to train in these techniques so they become second nature, so your focus can be on your opponent and not your techniques.
@Ramsey Dewey Have you, or anyone else in the comments section, noticed that the bjj community is very different from the judo community? Judo people tend to be scholarly and classy people, who are upstanding members of their communities, except for the occasional creepy weirdo. In bjj, it seems like there is a high population of eccentric practitioners that have many tattoos and questionable citizenship.
Rhonda Rowsey tried to outbox a boxer - had she taken the fight to the ground it might have ended differently. German Jujitsu? Never heard of it. thanks for more info Coach.
@@charlesswedenburg9449 Perhaps, but it looked to me more like she was trying to stand up fight with her. It is really hard for a stand-up puncher to keep from getting taken to the ground. I saw all kinds of hype about how good a puncher Rowsey was and that she could box with a man, etc... Hard to say what happened, but you know the old saying everyone has a plan until they get hit in the mouth. What she should have done was practice some bull-rushing and entering in on a super puncher. Holly didn't have ground skills.
@@TheTruthseeker1231 I'm not saying you're completely wrong or anything but it's a fight.. you have to strike, she struck then clinched and Holly kept getting away,Rhonda wasn't on the same level of striking and didn't have good endurance and Holly had a great game plan
@@charlesswedenburg9449 Yes, I agree we are armchair quarterbacking. You may be right, Holly definitely did not want Rhonda to take her down and did run from her a lot with not wanting to go to the ground in mind. My thought is that Rhonda's judo background would have been better served by some the addition of some wrestling type takedowns than all the striking training she was doing. If you watch the buildup and some of the prefight documentaries all they take about is Rhonda's striking training. I agree that Rhonda did do some ineffective high body clinching, but didn't seem to have an answer for Holly's strength and wide stance. Either old fashion bull rushing or level changing would have been effective for Rowsey? Certainly, that would have been a better training strategy than trying to box a boxer of Holly's caliber. Holly is a strong opponent that is for sure. In the end, we will probably never know exactly what happened. I guess I am just prejudiced that a stand-up fighter cannot keep from going down against an even moderate level grappler so perhaps that taints my analysis. Of course, the striker always has a puncher's chance. Holly showed this to be true against Rowsey but was beat in the next fight by a grappler with a chokehold. thanks
@@TheTruthseeker1231 Rhonda's striking coach was a fraud who duped Rousey and fucked her training up to the point she couldn't fight well anymore. Rousey was doing great when she had Gene LeBell in her corner. After she started training with Tarverdyan she sunk hard. To do takedowns in MMA you have to set them up properly with strikes and Rousey wasn't doing this, she was just trying to box with her worthless training from Tarverdyan that had left her less capable than before, then got desperate for a takedown which she of course failed at.
Is say old school non Olympic Judo.. (Gene Lebelle etc) and Catch Wrestling are a better option. Sukaraba and Fedor are living proof BJJ is good but it's not as good and not as dominant as some would pre-suppose
@@RamseyDewey Sorry I meant the opposite and wrote it badly. Yes big fan of both Fighters and Gene My poorly written paragraph. I meant they don't use it, trying to say it's good but not as perfect as some believe.
