Is the Labour Party written off? 

Swings and roundabouts , Labour will come again

Not for a very very long time they wont and we prob be long gone by then 🤣🤣🤣 now lets get brexit done 😆

You'll change your mind. 😎

You mean an area that was historically hard labour. There are few left.

@mathew lawton well then

The similarities between your Socio-Political situation and ours in the U.S. is uncanny. The public sentiment seems to be about the same here also. Funny thing is, Canada's stance is almost identical to France's from a few years back. DOWN with the Insane Left (Sane leftists are welcome for debate)

@@lemankurtz8950 hopefully those who do not believe in the magic money tree of the rich can come to power and we can have common sense prevailing once again

That’s easier said than done, either way; labour and momentum are two entities that cares very little about life outside of he M25

That would be the honourable, honest and decent thing to do. So no chance of it happening.

There should also be an Immigrants party or Muslim Party, which were the majority that voted Labour.

Well said! Momentum is basically communism.

@Arfur Fuxxakes WTF are you talking about????? On what planet is the ERG fascist??? They are supported by huge numbers of LEFTY voters thicko. They simply want to leave the EU EXACTLY as the nation voted to do in 2016.

Jones : No, the blind and stubborn captain doesn't deserve to go down honorably with his ship. Before you would abandon the ship go find the captain and kick him off the ship so he could drown alone by himself and NOT have the honor of drowning on the ship he caused to sink. That is good justice for that bad captain.

Good job you have a Tory party stuffed full of millionaires, business and property owners who know where to stuff their fortunes and are good at avoiding paying any tax that just get's used up by those poor people who are not clever enough to escape a fire when their home is ablaze - they know what's best for the country and you poor folk up north!

@@richardphunt and yet somehow people up north now feel they have more in common with the Tories than the labour party. It's not our fault labour has nothing in common with working class voters anymore. Clearly labour has an 'image' problem.

Labour party is totally unelectable with their current stance on Brexit, policies and the shortlist of candidates for the leadership. I don't even know where to begin to highlight their problems including the party being taken over by Momentum. They no longer represent most of the working class particularly in the north.

@@richardphunt Corbyn is a millionaire. His Islington house alone gets him 3/4 there!

England Expects semantics! Having a property that’s worth almost a million doesn’t enable a millionaires lifestyle- think more Philip Green!!

The main reason they were relatively successful was Theresa May. Now it’s Boris Johnson. Say what you like about him but he’s a brilliant campaigner with a clear view on Brexit and she couldn’t be more the opposite of that. And yet she still beat them, just...

Also what do you mean about Iran. He did work for Iranian Press TV. He defended them in the tanker fiasco. He can’t bring himself to criticise any evil regime that happens to identify as either on the left or Muslim unless it happens to be allies with the US, which is the real reason he makes an exception for Saudi Arabia. Israel is the only functioning democracy in the region but he’d rather support any of the oppressive Arab countries around it.

Their for Islam and stupid brainwashed Uni students. That's what your average intelligent Brit understands when he thinks Labour.

@@harsimaja9517 May was the least successful leader we ever had stop talking nonsense.

@@h3akalee they were saying that the only reason LABOUR was successful in 2017 was because May was incompetent.

Then you should have voted labour. Please, read a few books before the next election.

When you say "British" you mean white British right? What you've said is that you looked at Labour voters, and based on how they look, you decided that they were "taking over"? You wouldn't say this if they didn't look like you. Also the flaw in your thinking is that thanks to English nationalism, most other parties do not put Britain first.

Roy Batty you can make any assumption you like my friend, it’s clear who labour are for, hence why they lost most if not all their northern seats. I’ve seen for my own eyes what is happening here as have countless northerners. The conservatives have seen it too, that is why they targeted northern towns. It’s not rocket science. Conservatives were tactical they saw this huge gap opening up and they went in and did what they needed to do. Conservatives puts British people first, labour have massively lost their way and I’ll tell you another thing. Unless labour change and I mean really change, they will lose the next election too. I’m patriotic or is that an offence these days?

tracy gallagher I don’t need to read any books to understand who labour are for, I’ve seen it for my own eyes. And it is this that formed my decision. 👍

@@tracygallagher4632 How is stealing from the rich successful job creators and wealth makers and handing it to the gutter life putting the British people first?

What a sorry lot they are.

you all probably dont give a damn but does anybody know of a way to log back into an instagram account?? I stupidly forgot my account password. I appreciate any help you can give me

@Abram Kaysen instablaster ;)

@Jefferson Sean i really appreciate your reply. I got to the site thru google and I'm waiting for the hacking stuff atm. Seems to take quite some time so I will reply here later with my results.

@@Craig121000 lol. Kier Stamer is barely tolerable (still miles better than Corbyn) and Angela Rayner is insufferable and quite frankly highly unintelligent

Severely delayed is more accurate.

@chillguysplease And what of Diane Abbott? Or thicko Jesse Philips?

Starmer or Cooper are a safe pair of hands to try and stabilise the Party. I highly doubt they'll get back into power since they lost Scotland. It will even be difficult for Labour to reach hung parliament status.

All the half decent Labour MPs lost their seat!

In Salford she is commonly referred to as Wrong-Daily.

Pamela this Man HAS had an education. Just look at his name " Baldwin-Edwards" for proof. He is high class.

@curiosofsigns Yes, open borders and abolish citizenship!

what about millions of Britain's moved to other counties? I do not see them complaining. in 2011 I guess over a million british people moved to Spain

@Martin Baldwin-Edwards Calling people thick and uneducated is a sure fire way of getting them to vote for you. I salute your genius sir. It stumps me why that electoral tactic did not work for you this time around. Does it make you feel better to insult people that disagree with you?

@@muhtadaali8847 If they have any sense they will apply for Spanish citizenship.

@Martin Baldwin-Edwards You illiberal remoaners have learned nothing, still hate-preaching that anyone who disagrees with you is a loony extremist. As for the fat-shaming, not very woke - do you dabble in sexist and racist playground insults, too? Do you refer to Diane Abbott as 'Fatgirl'?

The results of Boris' one nation Tory Government are the surest of sure things. First the Scots will re-gain the Kingdom of Scotland's independence. As the actual, legal"United Kingdom", was constituted by the bipartite Treaty of Union that will end the bipartite United Kingdom leaving only the Kingdom of England. This will have but a short rebirth for the politically partitioned Kingdom of Ireland will reunify as the extended Republic of Ireland and the old Princedom of Wales, feeling left out will rescind the Statute of Rhuddlan leaving the Old Kingdom of England feeling like the rejected lover in a ménage de trroi

@@TheAuldBob Doubt Scotland will vote to stay in the EU and out of the UK. They'll see what's in their best interest once this Government gets going.

@Martin Baldwin-Edwards Fascist England?! There you go again, using words so intemperately that they lose their true meaning. It seems you're the crazed extremist here!

Which policies are those? Laying siege to the NHS, worker's rights, benefits, schools, austerity. Standard Tory policies with a new label.

Fact is Labour want the rich to pay more tax and they want tax loopholes closed. The Tories don't

@@RM-ml2xk I mentioned Peoples vote, nothing to do with tax. All I was saying is that the people had a second referendum and chose LEAVE. Channel4 are very lefty biased.

@@mosedavid1 my bad wrong comment chain

His voting record isn't particularly 'progressive', though, I agree he does seem like a nice chap, and is probably just a Tory by way of his privileged upbringing rather than an ideological lust.

He's like a Blair clone from 97.

More like a Lib Dem

Soy boy Rory, clutching to his mami's communist apron strings

At least it works now, Rory will add the more progressive left input to the one nation Tory gov. Weirdly worked out well lol

You're right on everything just written, but they won't listen, completely in their own bubble, neither understand or have any interest in deviating from their position.

@K MT Yep, sell the BBC to Rupert Murdock...

SSHHHHH! Antisemitism Corbyn Momentum No news on Boris Ssshhhhh!

Scott Taylor 😂😂

Scott Taylor yeah, he’s basically a wannabe channel 4 ‘expert’. What a weak pathetic creature he turned out to be. He had promise, too, which makes it more pathetic.

@@SM-wn5hg Is that a witticism I'm not getting (he was a district governor trying to buy Democracy in Afghanistan wasn't he?)? He's had his oddly-shaped snout in every administrative trough around and he's utterly missed the boat (showing the same lack of judgement he showed when he went pilgriming around that same country and was lucky to live to write the tale).

@@SM-wn5hg Keep your hair on!!! Rory has been a professional bureaucrat for the most part. The attempt to impose democracy was a hugely expensive farce showing ignorance of that culture (Rory did okay out of it though). I was unaware of his military service which I respect - but the sumof all his paid jobs doesn't make him a super - patriot; politically he's quite the opposite. Rory's led a more prominent life than me but what's he accomplished exactly? You'd lose the bet - like Rory you're maybe not in touch with what the generality of Brits think or feel.

Instead we have Keir, Rebecca came 2nd, Keir moved the party to the right despite his pledges, the man on the left is now a minister. Corbyn was thrown out for no reason, Brown and Miliband both got less vote share but still in Labour. He was very popular in Yorkshire where we are huge crowds came to see him in 2017 and 2019. Brexit cost them the election in the most part Minister of Brexit for Labour was Keir Starmer so he is in part to blame now in 2024 he's trying to do the 1984 thing of re-writing history. Corbyn likely to win his seat back in Islington.

It is greatly advantageous to the labour party to get the islamic vote, this was the first time that islam openly promoted the labour party, you can see those areas of labour which were large islamic populations remained labour. Labour will never denounce islam

@Ad Lockhorst many thanks for your comment, i will research this. In the UK (as suspect is the case in Netherlands) it is seen as un-politically correct to mention the word Islam in any form of critical fashion, to do so leads to accusations of racism, and hate speech. i am left wing, but am finding myself siding with right wing opinions, as i believe free speech trumps all, and at present the only defenders of free speech seem to be right wing activists.

@Ad Lockhorst thank you kindly for your explanation and yes i can see the differences here.

@@maidsubrena So you're reportedly left wing but side with right wing opinions? Explain that to me. Also, there are barriers to freedom of speech. You can't go in a cinema and scream "Fire!" because you will be criticised for it. Apart of freedom of speech is to show opinion but to also accept that you will be criticised harshly for it. Moaning isn't going to change that. The only defenders of freedom of speech seem to be right wing activists? Maybe because that's all you're looking at. Open your mind and look for yourself.

Rubbish. The British moved their red lines and ditched the DUP. The negotiations were based on relating the British red lines to the principles of the single market, which won't change.

Gar Sm I can see you are a skilled debater, rubbishing the contra position to your own is a very persuasive and powerful way to get your point across At this stage we can agree to disagree on Stewart’s position, you say nothing changed re May’s Deal, your position is noted. I suggest that we both revisit this thread as the year goes on. What we can both agree on, is that Stewart did not win the Tory Leadership Contest. Whether we can agree on the fact that there are tens of ex Labour MP’s wishing they had rebelled against their party whip Re May’s Deal is another issue, I believe that there are, however it’s quite possible that your primary position is one of a contrarian, in which case, I would understand your position.

I recall Stewart enthusiastically backing May's deal on 'Politics Live' BBC2, then not backing Johnson's deal when Johnson took the leadership: They are fundamentally the same deal... And ironically the same 'May's deal' Johnson vehemently slagged off when he was writing his newspaper. They are all full of shite, regardless of there intellect ....of which Rory Stewart has in spades compared to Johnson.

@@PaulGappyNorris I do not profess, like you do, to have a handle on who is the most intelligent out of Stewart or Johnson, so I cant offer a considered view, nor did I suggest that Johnson was more intelligent than Stewart, so I can only conclude that you used this thread to answer a question that only yourself asked. Then there is the swearing. why is their a need to do this? The word 'fundamentally' is a very pliable word, Stewart was categoric that there was nothing more to be done with May's deal, so in my world, 'fundamentally' he was incorrect, that said, I understand your point, it is a similar deal, a deal which very nearly got passed, and which many ex Labour MP's will now wish they had backed, (hindsight is such a mystical beast). I would be very surprised if Stewart leaves an imprint on politcs when history is writen, he tries very hard to be totally centrist, which is admirable, however history will show that intelligent or not, he came nowhere close to being a challege for Johnson in the Tory Leadership Contest. Stewart does remind me of Blair in many ways, perhaps he would be well advised to switch patrties and try to make Labour slightly left of centre and reign in their grotesque shift to somewhat left of left wing, as the UK could do with a decent opposition to the Johnson Majority.

@@PaulGappyNorris Johnson voted both for and against the May deal.

lol

It's nothing to do with the Labour party or Lib Dem party, policies or personalities. The fact is we have 17 million racists coming out of the woodwork and the English nation has to face up with that?

@@ernestoguevara8930 The word racist has been used so many times out of context it is now meaningless.

@@richiesquest3283 OK, right wing extremists and dreamers then, will that do?

Instead we have Keir, Rebecca came 2nd, Keir moved the party to the right despite his pledges, the man on the left is now a minister. Corbyn was thrown out for no reason, Brown and Miliband both got less vote share but still in Labour. He was very popular in Yorkshire where we are huge crowds came to see him in 2017 and 2019. Brexit cost them the election in the most part Minister of Brexit for Labour was Keir Starmer so he is in part to blame now in 2024 he's trying to do the 1984 thing of re-writing history. Corbyn likely to win his seat back in Islington.

@Luke Grabbing at straws in the wind. Everyone at fault but thenselves

@Shut Down And don’t forget the newspapers mostly owned by billionaires the Barclay Bros and Rupert Murdoch - couldn’t have done it without them either. We need those with great wealth and influence over us to inform us how we’re supposed to think. So I thank all these people for showing us the light

@@MightyJonE In short you are using the "voters are to stupid to think for themselves" argument! This Murdoch propaganda smear from leftist is clearly getting old. But keep continuing to use that argument, more sickened ears from former labour strongholds will continue to vote Tory since the underlying issues still will not be addressed by the Labour party as the message is still the same old propaganda!

@Kosgei No, it’s not that simple because nothing ever is. I don’t consider myself left-wing nor right-wing. I dislike such terms. There are good things about capitalism, there are bad things about capitalism. There are good things about socialism, there are bad things about socialism. People have many reasons for making one decision or a series of decisions over others. Propaganda in all forms from all sources is a very real problem, taking its form in many different ways, including the biggest of all - public relations. I’m certainly not implying that “people are too stupid”. It’s much more complex and, from the perpetrators of propaganda, much more insidious than that, yet wholly ordinary at the same time However, the birth of modern marketing and PR, the creation of Edward Bernays in the US in the late 1920s, is sadly predilected around the very fact that you, and I too, dislike - that of the manipulation of the public opinion of the “bewildered herd” as we, the general population, are seen. This is no secret, it’s in the literature, and it’s a constant belief of many who have power over us We have to be aware of it. So we must always question everything, even those things we hold so close to our beliefs. The only answer is to question, to educate ourselves, never take anything at face value. We, the general public, have the power if we so wish to control our own lives - nobody is born to have power over us - we ALLOW people to have power over us It’s important, above all, to live and aim for a society that reflects values of common human decency, of care and compassion, to help the weak, the poor and the less fortunate - what used to be called simple Christian values. Anything less is foolishness

@@MightyJonE and also a big thanks to people exactly like you, thankyou

@Inglejuice You are wasting your time trying to educate illiterates !

You are RIGHT Tony. I will give it to you STRAIGHT . Labour were very OBTUSE about their Brexit position and are now ACUTEly aware of what The Great British Public feel about them. That is it , in Degrees....That's my Angle , anyway... Good stuff , innit :

What a load of nonsense

The one who appears like his mouth is being asked to accommodate more teeth than designed for? His name is Rory Stewart. Otherwise known as Florence of Arabia.

Only loonie lefites start a sentence with ......so.

My pet-peeve is: "ACTUALLY". Talk about a word that has been repeatedly, needlessly use!!! Watched a politician on TV program use the word 7 times prior to making his point which was drowned in a sea of "actually's". I hear you on "SO" though.

@Ian Payne Really! Obviously! Always those that are not used to talking to camera use 'so', noticed the prevalence of this years ago, innit!

Yes, so is no way to start a sentence. So is actually a conjunction.

No chance unfortunately. If there had been any chance of that he'd have been booted out years ago.

Think it's pretty clear.

There is a reason he holds the seat, maybe because he is leader of Labour or that he is very good at connecting with people?

He should consider a coalition with the Raving Loony Party. Maybe come to a compromise name - "Raving Lefty Party"?

Don't worry .. when the boundary changes come in corbin's seat will be like him ... History ! The seat might get a footnote in the History pages Not sure about corbin Unless it's for the man who made the labour party unelectable !!!!

They did, but he died suddenly on 12 May 1994 - since then, it has all gone to pot.

icdgyixify Tony Blair was much better than Corbyn.

@@forza223bowe5 Yeah, Blair was immeasurably better than Corbyn - at being a right wing, neoliberalist shill - What's the difference between Blair and Corbyn ? Blair is a war criminal, a money grabbing narcissist - he is the one who should be in Belmarsh

you are aware that boris is turkish you fool

@@jundean5292 Relevant how?

@@TonyFisherPuzzles initial comment was about immigration boris is an immigrant lol

@Martin Baldwin-Edwards, 😂🤣😂😂 that's coz I is dislexix 🤣😂😂🤣

@cs8780 at least I can laugh at myself 😉

@Alvida Hamesha no point! That's like saying I might want to be someone else

@Martin Baldwin-Edwards, thought I was ignoramus not clever although some do say I am too clever for anyone's good including my own 🤣😂. In the past remedials would have been slapped in iorns or canned wouls never have been helped near a pen! Oh forgot have been canned

@@112deeps but the question is "do you get the joke" ?

@Jack Didley Then he'd be Corbin!

since 2010 the Tories was in power and immigration increased this is how lazy people excuses.

@@MohamedAhmed-yf6wp , The Tories couldn't control immigration from the European union, its called free movement, you donut

@@thethirdman2135 hhhh I am not donut I am mars bar

They didn't even control immigration from outside the eu

@@tracygallagher4632 Yes they do.

Labour should have left Johnson on the hook. He was shagged.

@@garsm2290 The only way Corbyn could beat Johnson was by not allowing the public a say. While ever they blocked democracy they were safe. Says it all about middle class Labour.

@@borderlands6606 Johnson is an old Etonian, so spare us that remark about class! Corbyn shouldn't have agreed to an election, there had been one two years earlier.

@@garsm2290 Johnson is a Tory! Labour are the party of the working class but the shadow cabinet outdo the cabinet for privilege and wealth. A titled lady, a woman who sends her son to public school, a leader from the Shropshire squirearchy, all living in 7 and 8 figure north London houses - give my bleeding heart a break. An opposition that doesn't agree to an election are scared of the electorate. The people aren't fools, much as Labour paint them as such. If they think a woman with a northern voice is going to set the clock back to 1945 or 1964, they're deluded.

@Megan B Any [arty that chooses geeky Ed over David Milliband deserves all they get. IDIOTS !

Somewhat true. But it's all decided by the media. The media decide elections. Blair won because Murdoch and The Sun supported him. And the press are most right wing on foreign policy, they're all viciously neocon, so Corbyn's positions are untenable to them.

At that point, they were fully displayed as a bunch of delusional hypocrites with no idea how to form a credible policy

Labour are written off until they start sucking up to Rupert Murdoch. The Sun has backed every successful election campaign since 1979. Ignoring what people want never did the Tory party any halm at all.

@@ricardothorburn4089 I will never understand why any self respecting working class person would read that 'news' paper

David Roberts Well said Sir!

Ideological purity and the maintaining of it is I believe of more importance to the current Labour leadership than actually winning elections. Much easier and more preferable for them to be a perpetual protest movement than be effective in opposition and keeping the government on it’s toes.

Say that again, but this time instead put 'Tories' instead of labour

@Alvida Hamesha , I hope Robert is reading this the next time he catches a train ,and think carefully on about what else you said.

You're right man. Private schools are great British institution. It's a Darwin situation. If you can't afford to go to a private school, or afford private healthcare, then it's a sign that you are genetically flawed and probably not used to working hard. Poor people chose to be that way, as far as I'm concerned.

OK boomer there is no time machine to 1979. The cars weren't that good then anyway

@@jonty612 Funny as the Labour party has just spend the last three or four years recreating the early 80's under Michael Foot! And 70's are great, I know I have one as a daily and I wouldn't swap it for a modern identikit plastic blob any day!

@@PeterTOrganist stop being a snowflake wasn't it your generation who profited from the destruction of UK industries in the 80s. Keep watching top gear. Your part of a selfish generation.

@@jonty612 keep the salt flowing flower.

@@grantmathieson650 OK boomer. 20 years from now that torch you hold will have burnt out forever.

they were a bunch of remainers

@@mdrocks7842 He would have fitted in very nicely.

I agree. We should have a 1 party state run by ruling class like god intended. I'm going to campaign for a return to monarchy.

@@iwanttocomplain in effect thats more or less what weve had for the past ten years or more.The difference between the two parties has been minimal.Oh yes much is made of these differences just to create the illusion of 'democracy ' for fools like you to suck up but the Brexit referendum exposed the whole lot of then..On all major issues there was no difference between them and both parties ignore the will of the people on all major issues like immigration and Islam plus free speech.Can you tell us just what are or have been these past ten years any major differences between them?

@@rogerwoodhouse7945 Corbyn's Labour party is very different to a Labour party headed by the usual suspects of centrist Blairites. New Labour was basically the Tory lite party and that is when the two parties were barely distinguishable. When the Labour electorate (not the leading membership) demanded their party not be lead by a typical career politician they made their feelings known that the Labour party should actually stand in opposition to the Tories and not just try to mimic conservative values for swing votes. The Labour manifesto for 2019 was the most progressive and liberal of all but the Greeen party. Corbyn is not a wealthy Eton graduate, he is a grass roots campaigner and sadly, a bit of a reluctant leader. He never got the millions spent on smoothing out his image like Tory's do and he lost because the Tory's, yet again won on an immigration ticket. Now with the left wing Corbyn faction a power within the Labour party there is actual opposition to Conservative neo-liberal politics and a manifesto as progressive as the one they put forward would not have been considered and likewise has altred the political landscape to even affect Tory policies to be more progressive to a degree as that is now a more centrist political platform.

@@iwanttocomplain That was a very long winded comment that said very little.It certainly shed no light on the future propects of the Labour party.Under Corbyn they had no chance of winning(isnt that what opposition parties try to do?)The labour party lost because of the lack of any positive (popular ) ideas .Lefty ideology wont wash with the British working man anymore.Electing Corbyn as a counter to Cameron was a big mistake.The British people began to despise Cameron for taking this country to the left.(gay marriage was not accepted by the masses inspite of the Media saying otherwise)No.Britain now needs a genuine right of centre government to restore the peoples faith in the present system.I personally would welcome a true right of centre party taking on this faux tory party.The labour party in its present condition should just wind up.Take a stepback .Rethink its whole Raison D'etre .Find a cerdible leader(theres non at present) and join up with the Greens.Become a 'vegitarian 'party .No.The British people deserve better than this joke of a parliamentary first past the post system packed with career poilticians who dont give a monkeys about this country.Perhaps now we are leaving the EU we just might get some real candidates who want the best for the people of this land.

Were you suggesting that Corbyn'was NOT 'career politician??

I trust you mean the country south of the river Tweed and Cheviot Hills

@@derekphilips6781 Can't be bothered with Scottish, or English nationalism.

Why you are thick as sh*t- 1. Brexit supporters want a fair and equal immigration system for all. Whereas under EU law we are forced to discriminate in favour of a small group of predominantly white countries. 2. Brexit means we can control our external borders, just as the EU control IT'S external borders.

Clearly - it has.

@@TonyFisherPuzzles Your opening statement is a perfect description of yourself

Not really.

Thought they had adverts?

whysa4 well they certainly got that!

It wasn't until I read your comment, that i noticed the similarity.

😂

Yessssssssssssssss!! Well spotted

Rebecca Wrong Daily!

heroin nod

You know, he was probably a spy. I bet he's an athletic guy.

@@scinformation7229 is it possible to be trans AND working class?

But phytoestrogens may help with his menopause.

@@scinformation7229 what aspect of the Tory party is for the poor?

Er, no. It is a dolphin.

@Martin Baldwin-Edwards Sounds like you haven't learnt anything which is wonderful news so , same again , in 2024 ! :)

@Martin Baldwin-Edwards Another whining loser. Nearly 4 years crying yourself to sleep like a little baby. Yes YOU LOST, GET OVER IT.

nickrad the cor-bin

@@FergC20 Brilliant

@@nickrad6966 or pathetic, maybe ?