Its so strange how apple skimps on ram so much in modern systems. Ram in the supply chain is at an all time low, theres no reason for them to charge so much for so little
Ummmm this the first time you've heard of Apple?? They are kinda a big company I'm surprised you'd call it a scam it's a feature to show that you are poor and shouldn't have desires on apple
@@scanadiththey purposefully made ram and storage for their systems more complicated than it needs to be. They didn't follow the standards but could have. It'd just greed. The performance benefits are non-existent.
@@BrownieX001 what u r saying is a pretty lay man arguments, the inherent benefit of merging the processor,GPU and ram into a single SOC cannot be understated and its the sole reason Apple silicon trumps in performance. Dont take my word for it, pls do consult industry experts who agree with the same. Eg, Nvdia VRAm is tied the the gpu for a reason(faster response time)
I mean, ram is better used on MacOS for sure, but it's still kind of a slap in the face. In addition, linux can use less than both Windows and MacOS, but I guess no one is using that.
@@ehenningsen heres the thing, if big professional software companies don't start shifting to developing for linux then linux won't become as famous as it's competitors, software compatibility on it is very minimal, 80% of the time you're limited to FOSS if you want to do pro work.
@@_amrbadr_ I agree. I will say though that Microsoft is making a lot moves that point towards using the Linux Kernel as the base for its operating system. It makes sense too. Since that would free up a lot of development and focus on the GUI and features while leaving the drivers and low-level API to the Linux community. Also, Linux is seeing a lot more focus than it use to. Lots of software that use to be proprietary on Windows is now dual with Linux and is only growing. Personally, I see them doing this as people grow more disillusioned with Windows versus Linux, more and more are opting out. Windows hasn't even been enforcing the service agreements on key activations in order to slow the bleed. Apple will always be Apple, which is a far more dystopian situation than windows. But Windows using the Linux kernel will be massive for PCs and the computing industry in general. BTW. Microsoft donates a bunch to the Linux foundation and has had a Linux subsystem (not base kernel, though) since Windows 10.
@_amrbadr_ lots of companies use Linux servers. In fact, Linux is the choice for a very large percentage of companies for their servers. Look. I'm not a Windows, Mac or Linux fan Boi. I'm in it for what works and I love to follow trends. As a software engineer, I am a tech junkie by trade as well. And Windows moving to a Linux kernel isn't the same as companies abandoning windows. What that means is that the operating system will utilize Linux at the base while the top layer GUI is Windows. For most daily users, it will look mostly the same.
These are amazing machines, but what really bothers me is the lack of being able to upgrade/self repair later. I have a 2011 MacBook pro that currently has more ram and storage than this base model $1600 machine (obv not as fast of a cpu) but still, this machine in 10 years is almost guaranteed to be a waste, especially if something fails
Most laptops are guaranteed to die by 10 years and are usually outdated and degraded in performance in 3 years. That’s especially true with gaming laptops.
They really shouldn't be tho, my 2007 Dell still works (using Linux Mint 32 bit) and my 2011 MBP still works great, easily daily driver material. If I was using my PC to make money, like doing 3d stuff or video editing, than that's a different story I suppose, but even still, things should last and be user repairable.
"is it enough"...(doesn't compare it to a 16GB model) must've been recorded before the recent controversy. but for anybody saying $1600 is too much for 8gb (which it is) remember you're paying the proprietary Apple tax
Base model only seems to exist to upsell you on ram and storage and claim a starting price of 1600. Most people realistically are going to opt for the 16gb/1TB config which makes this a 2000 dollar machine if you want any sort of longevity out of it.
As a 8gb ram m1 owner, yes it does perform just fine. The problem is that with such aggressive use of swap, I’m concerned that it’s putting a lot of wear on my ssd. Only time will tell, but especially with non-replaceable ssds, I really wish Apple would just give us the extra 8gb. It can’t cost them more than a few bucks.
i would also wish for them to bring back user-replacable storage at least, having that stuff soldered to the board makes me feel anxious, thats why i don't want to buy a macbook, any storage failure and that's a whole new computer there bro.
At $1600, this feels like a cheap gimmick. Sure, 8GB with the heavily-optimized macOS and similarly optimized apps may be fine compared to 16GB in another laptop now, but I highly doubt that will hold true in a couple years.
its not like that, ram is ram, for instance no matter how much optimization a web page will occupy the same space in ram, weather in a Mac or in a pc. The same with any kind of data that needs to be loaded in to memory. What it will of is offload the data to the SSD, because of how fast ssds are nowadays the waiting times might passable, but that's not how ram works and will get worse with time. not to mention that some ram will be used for graphics and this is a PRO laptop
New DDR5 on PCs gets nearly the same performance as Apple's LPDDR5 RAM. Also, space is still space. 8GB is still 8GB. Sorry, but Apple is scaming the ill-informed.
@PedroSilva1 pretty much what I was going to post. Also since the ram and ssd are soldered on the motherboard you are stuck with what you buy. That is insane that this day and age these would be soldered on and no path to upgrade. Everyone should stop buying apple.
@@akin242002 yeah no, your hatred for Apple is what's causing YOU to be ill-informed. Ill be perfectly happy with 8GB on my Apple silicon while you scrounge up 32GB on windows to get the same snappiness, and even then, mine will be better.
I bought an asus vivibook with 16 gb of ram and a nice ryzen h cpu for nothing more than 440€ around 2 years ago, an 8gb system for that price, even a 16 gb one is a joke
Even after seeing this and how well it performs, there's just no way I'm buying a computer with 8gb of ram. Just like you mentioned at the end of this, the 8 gigs just won't carry you as long. And, just like you mentioned at the end when it comes to the processor, there are programs that aren't optimized for 8 gigs of ram. We're going to need more. And for that price, it should come with more already.
Something to consider is even though the laptop has fast SSDs for the swap file, continuously writing and deleting a swap file on the SSD is significantly decreasing its lifespan..which is also non-removable.
While true, this is largely a non-issue as long as you aren't doing extremely demanding tasks that write dozens of TB's of data each year and someone who does that shouldn't be buying a base spec with 8GB RAM to begin with. Like I have a base model 13" M1 MBP which is now 3 years old, I have 50TB written and around 100TB read. I have used up 1% of my SSD's health according to smartmontools. This SSD is going to outlive my MBP.
I never understood why Apple does not just put more memory and storage in their lower level products. Sure you can normally upgrade, but the price to upgrade is usually substantial.
7:42 Austin WTF??? why compare a $1600 laptop to a steamdeck that's a third of the price!? compare it to a Legion 9i or something closer to that price point.
I’ve got. 2014 imac and 2015 MacBook Pro and they still run great apart from 4k video. Like you said these new machines are fine now but i don’t think we will get the life expectancy of mine
Personally I picked up the 14inch MacBook Pro 2,000 machine with 18gb of ram. That’s seems to be a good sweet spot. What I noticed even if I’m just on the desktop with nothing open I saw the ram go as hi as 11gb and as low as 5gb. I don’t think 8 is enough and yes is it’s crazy for what you pay you sure don’t get a lot of storage or ram,
Apple follows the Android/Linux school of thought "unused RAM is wasted RAM", so if your machine has 8gb, it'll use a good chunk of it even when idle. If it has 18gb, it'll use 11 like u mentioned. It's just constantly preloading stuff you might need in the background, so it's ready to go when you click it. It makes the whole
@@eddydrouet1888 this is true. easy way to tell on macOS when your RAM is being completely used up, is checking your SWAP usage in memory tab of activity monitor.
It’s quite amusing when Apple VP of marketing claims that their 8GB RAM laptops perform similarly to 16GB RAM in other systems due to ‘efficient memory usage’. I mean, consider a scenario where you’re dealing with a 40,000 x 40,000 floating point numpy array. I’d love to see how they’d fit that into an 8GB RAM system. Efficiency indeed!
Considering it’s 200-300x faster than your average 2667mhz RAM module and is on the same die as the CPU, I’d say it probably handles it comparably to a 16gb RAM laptop…sooooooooo
@@Max_Mustermann except it quite literally is if you have enough speed to makeup for a lack of capacity. Then it is by definition a substitute and a perfectly adequate one at that 😂
@@greylawson6352 For some tasks you need to keep your data in memory. If you do photogrammetry for example, you'll need lots of memory depending on the level of detail of the model. Faster memory won't help you much.
Agree, 8GB is actually fine as a daily driver and mobile editing rig due to the optimization. However, get the 16GB. My M1 13in is starting to slow down during edits. Not to the point where I switch, but definitely not as fast as when I bought it back in 2020. I still prefer to use it at times vs my Ryzen 5900x desktop system.
I’m a bit bummed about 8gb on my MacBook Air and it cost my like $900. With that said though.. in 2.5 years I’ve not once had a slowdown or seen a buffer wheel.. so hmm. For a Pro machine though, kinda dicked up to make the base 8gb, cause that’s what the bulk of people buying it for a kid or worker is gonna buy that base. Five years down the line, that’s gonna not be so great on a $1,700 machine 😮😢 Edit: my bad, that was a great review too. Your b-roll is top notch ☝️🫡
ram is ram, for instance no matter how much app optimization a web page will occupy the same space in ram, weather in a Mac or in a pc. The same with any kind of data that needs to be loaded in to memory. What it will happen is offload the data to the SSD, because of how fast ssds are nowadays the waiting times might passable, but it will get worse with time. not to mention that some ram will be used for graphics and this is a PRO laptop
It's a marking thing. Set up a 8 gig machine for media consumption then when the user is familiar with the system and notices you can do way more it's time to upgrade and buy another MacBook...
You didn't even video edit on it. You literally just brought in your old timeline. You need a video edit from scratch and see how it works from there. Not bringing the timeline and just played and see if it plays
Also worth noting that even in the most recently announced Steam deck OLED, it is 1000 usd less. Not to mention comes with more internal storage from a gaming standpoint. Otherwise this doesn't seem built for longevity for the price. Definitely agreed on the second hand M2 or M1 given the cost vs what you are sacrificing in performance which in their own presentation was only 15% between M2 and M3.
32GB is slowly becoming the new standard, 16GB now is where 8GB laptops used to be. 8GB won't give you the memory requirement you need in three years from now, I expect my laptop to last me three years this one won't have the ram to do that.
The amount of swap worries me - particularly with these soldered SSDs that also house the bios. They’ll die fast and become bricks or need expensive repairs…
I have a Dell XPS13 (9320) with an 12th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1260P (18MB Cache, up to 4.7 GHz, 12 1 cores), 1TB SSD and 32GB ram and it cost me £1798.98 from Dell While the cheapest Mac book with only 8-core CPU, 10-core GPU, 8GB Unified Memory & 512GB SSD is £1699 and the same laptop with 1TB SSD is £1899 And the pro with still only 11-core CPU, 14-core GPU, 18GB Unified Memory & 512GB SSD is £2099 You be the judge who is ripping off its customers ? Dell or Apple
If you’re looking at an investment for years down the road then the cost of a ram upgrade is negligible. I bought an entry level Mac studio but that’s only because I would have had to wait several months for any upgraded model and I really needed a new machine right then and there. That’s the real tragedy. I wanted to buy a maxed out version (non-ultra) but couldn’t without having to wait an inconvenient period of time to do so. If I’m paying thousands for a machine, I need it on my desk and kicking booty today, not several months from now.
The worst part is that the memory and SSD aren't even upgradable. Also, even if Apple optimized their OS and apps to be less memory intensive, the same doesn't apply to 3rd party apps.
M1 Pro 16gb here, working with local AI you use easy all the ram and the machine starts swapping. Unfortunately, the SSD is not replaceable; hence, it is an awful idea to use the swap.
The problem is, if you use the Macbook to its fullest with the 8gb of channeled memory being filled up, the MacBook will transition some of its memory to SSD and that’s i think another issue Apple is being cheap on. I had the m2 MacBook Air base model and that laptop chugged like crazy with just 4 tabs open on safari whilst using Microsoft word. Whereas my gf MacBook Air m2 chip with again 8gb but with 512gb of storage was blitzing my laptop.
Uh, I think the new m3’s use the dual ssd setup now. Your machine chugged because it had a single ssd, so half the bandwidth when reading and writing vs a dual setup.
@@liquidmark5081 But the main issue is that Students who are on a budget don’t realise that’s the case. They buy the base model thinking it would be sufficient enough for multitasking. The m3 you are mentioning are only dual bandwidth on the pro models whilst the normal m3 isn’t it is only a single memory one
ASUS Vivobook 14 OLED 90hz 2.8k resolution laptop with 16GB ddr5 and 500gb storage + 5600HX for $600 Sounds to me a much brighter and entertaining screen to me and budget friendly approach
I do heavy multitasking and I don't & can't really close out idle programs and I feel like 8GB might be okay for a lot of things but 12, 16GB would be better. On PC, I have 32GB of RAM on my basic laptop that I can work on. My studio machine is 128GB and I edit videos, utilize AfterEffects, Blender, among other programs on the fly. The new 4080 has me to a point that I can almost render in real time as it takes just seconds to view a rendered scene. By 5080, I think realtime/instant rendering will happen. At any rate, the M3 is impressive all on its own.
I have the a giga ram M2, MacBook Pro, and it has literally played every single game. I’ve tried to play on it and better in some cases than I’ve ever seen the games before.
not only ram, they always overcharge u for everything, even just for storage they gonna make sure u pay another 200-300$, when in reality it costs 50-60$ more
I am surprised people highlight the 120Hz on the macbook pros, but I seldomly hear anyone also mention that their pixel response times are so slow (~30ms) that the 120Hz is more of a marketing number than actual truth ...
I will never use an Apple product. They've been treating their customers like crap for such a long time that it's practically institutional. I had a friend who worked in a Genius Bar about a decade ago. She had nothing more than a high school diploma to her name, and she was hired based solely on the fact that she looked pretty and intelligent. She received _no_ training at all, and the method she used to "diagnose" any Apple product brought in was to plug a cable into it and read the recommendation that popped up on a display. That's it. Literally, that's all that she did. She stopped using all Apple products and told anyone she cared about to either avoid them or stop using them, as well. I've never heard such genuine impassioned statements for avoiding a company's products as the ones she gave.
I've been experiencing memory issues on my 16-inch M1 PRO, and here's an apple engineer saying that 8GB is enough. It's like these guys took us for novice or fools.
@@JimPauls Are you a heavy user? I use Photoshop, Illustrator, Figma, Chrome, Edge, Arc, Teams, Spotify, Postman, Android Studio, Xcode, and VS Code running at the same time.
Actually web pages are ram killer nowadays, not regular software. Having some tabs opening could cost a few GB ram. If you only open a game or video editing, you should be fine. But usually you would also have browsers running.
I use an M2 MacBook Air with 8gb ram and as a college student, it’s more than enough for everyday tasks. However, if you are a pro, 8gb isn’t even close to enough. At least 16gb is required.
Don't even think about trying to use ray tracing on the 8 gig model, it is not even an option. Also people have been seeing crashes using blender on the 8 gig model as well as significant slow down with the more tasks they have been doing. So how extensive was your testing? Max Tech done a side by side comparison between the 8 gig and 16 gig doing the exact same things and to answer the question, no, 8 gigs is not enough.
get a used 14 inch M2 Pro MacBook pro for $1600 with a significantly faster processor, 16gb RAM and faster 512gb storage. or just get a M1 macbook air with 16gb ram 1tb ssd for like $700. 99% of people don't need the pro model
I’m more upset that it’s 3rd gen Apple silicon and Apple still has only 1 additional display output on the M3. Even Intel’s worst mobile 13th gen CPU, the U300, supports 3 additional display outputs
This has always been the case, Apple controls hardware and software, the machine runs more efficiently even with lower clocks on cpu and lower ram amounts. It just works.
Lots of laptops work. Still no excuse for a "pro" laptop to have that little amount of RAM at $1,600. I can get a working Lenovo ThinkPad T14 G4 or HP EliteBook 840 G10 with 16GB of DDR5 RAM. Also the RAM & SSD are adjustable. Both are laptops regularly used for finance & professional programers.
You can get 16GB DDR5 for less then $50. 8GB DDR5 costs about $25 (for the good stuff). Apple will markup the price of RAM and get 200%+ profit. Why? Because they know people will pay it and praise Apple's pricing.
