Is the Marauder Bomber the WORST unit in the game!? | Astra Militarum | Warhammer 40,000 

Why ?

​@@clarkwalter7170 cause bombers suck, in WW2 they needed fighter support to be effective and in modern warfare they need really good stealth capabilities to have any kind of use.

@@clarkwalter7170 Because they tend to be slower and less agile than most other types of offensive aircraft. They are the ones carrying the real dangerous ordinance, making them high priority targets for their enemies!

@@josephrigley8974 Even then they get their rear ends blown out of the sky. Nowadays, most bombers are being geared up with flares to intercept AA missiles....then again, speaking as an American...do we even have bombers in the USAAF? I think they've been predominantely replaced with drones with smart bomb munitions...

Or maybe if they kept the 90 degree rotation at the end but you could rotate like 45 before? Or made bombs actually worth avoiding? What's 4 mortal wounds gonna do against a Hormagaunt blob? Or even a Guard blob? Or a Dorn? I feel like GW (intentionally or not) misses how many bombs bombers could drop at once. Inferno bombs would be interesting if you just had, say, a limit of 6-8 times per battle but you could drop as many as you want in a turn (on one target or multiple), and each did 9d6 4+ MW. That'd be a good objective clearer and give aircraft a niche role of being VERY GOOD at popping units off of objectives, but can't take them itself. So you move over 5 scouts on an objective and say "I'm dropping 1 bomb," then next game you move over 2 squads of 20 Termagants on 2 different objectives and say "I'm dropping 4 bombs on each." I'd run that even without any movement changes, because you can set up runs on objective markers (where you know the enemy will be at) and actually cause damage. That'd also give people reasons to run anti-aircraft (be it their own fliers or Hydra-esque) and overall increase the tactics of the game while still keeping the rules simple.

@@Mythralblade04 tbh i feel like a simpler way would be just have no limit on how many bombs they can drop per turn? And possibly have the 90° turn be at any point durring a move, as discrete partial turns so you can either turn 90° once, 45° twice or 30° 3 times at any point durring your move? So the idea would be to try to fly over as many targets as possible and itd be easier the more are clustered, as without a use limit it could just effect every unit it passes over withoht needing them to all be exactly in a line. Sure ~4 mortals isnt much to any one unit, but say the enemy has like 6 units bunched up. Now youre hitting all of those with 4 mortals EACH, which still isnt a ton to any one target but its a lot more in agregate. I also like the idea of allowing all aircraft turn 1 arrive from reserve and give them all deepstrike so they can show up anywhere (representing them diving from high above to exactly where they want to be), and then they could have a wargear choice for a limited number of larger bombs. I also wish theyd change how aircraft are based-instead of basing them like every other model, i say give them tripod bases with individually smaller, pointed feet spread out over a wider area, and make them tall enough to sit cleanly over a standard ruin. This way aircraft would be WAY harder to move block and able to set on top of some terrain features.

@@davidthomas2870 problem with the basing idea is simple; sure they can sit on top of a ruin, but can they sit NEXT to one? They can sit on top of a unit, but can they sit NEXT to one (or two)? Because again, their turning is limited. Also, where's charges measured to? Changing the base just changes the problem, it doesn't remove it.

1) there isnt a place you can deploy a unit the size of 2 baneblades perched on top of a flying stand that can be seen through terrain that normally would block line of sight that is safe 2) most opponents will let you drop bombs for 4 turns because the thing is absolute shit and the only thing that makes less sense than bringing one is wasting units to shoot at one

@steve13thlegion16 out of sight, no. But out of range of most guns, and tough enough to shrug off the rest, yes. And I never said it was good, but it's the best use of a bad unit, lol.

That describes just about most aircraft in 10th

my bomber fleet is on 18" acrylic rods because thats 1" taller than GW terrain my first attempt i put one on a gw oval bases and the base actually flexxed enough to peel up the basing material

'better' ? Yes. lol

it's 30 points more expensive for a more rounded weapons load out that drops the lascannons for a more general purpose selection of anti air missles, twin linked autocannons and Dev Wounds assault cannons which I prefer honestly . It also has similar bombing rules except it is 6 d6 with each 3+ being a MW against any unit rather than picking if it is anti vehicle and monster or infantry so should average 4 MW vs 4.5 MW for the bomber that is also more selective. Personally if you had to choose the Destroyer is better in my eyes but it costs a crazy amount of points and neither will likely ever return anywhere near that amount. That said it's a great model