It does! Paper Mario shows her off as not a damsel but someone who is kidnapped but not sitting there taking it she’s proactive and she’s proven she can fight as well. This movie is just showing that side of her and most people aren’t aware of those games so they don’t know her personality that well
i'm okay with her having a more active role she has had active role before i just hope the movie remember to capture the sweet and kind part of peach's personality
I mean, it’s kinda hard to create a sweet and caring princess when a 9 foot tall tortoise dragon who breaths fire and can destroy castles, I wouldn’t be so kind and graceful if I were her
My opinion is; There is a time to be stern and commanding, and there is a time to be caring and loving. I just hope the movie won’t make her so harsh and have a “I’m the best, I don’t need anyone’s help” sort of personality. A rude and unkind character trying to be perceived as moral and right is quite an annoying trend I’ve seen with female characters in movies/series in the last few years. And I’m saying this as a girl myself.
@@vonnie0_0 yeah that's what i want from peach be firm and leader like when things get serious but when they have to time to cool off we get to see her sweet and feminine side
Yeah, you practically read my mind. I actually noticed that tiny detail in 3D World too. Plus, it makes more sense for her to be kidnapped after Mario has actually gotten to know her. That’s why I think it’s genius that they made Luigi the damsel in distress in this film because they are brothers and it will emphasise how strong their bond is.
Tbh, I have the feeling she might get kidnapped mid film, so Mario would have to fend for himself to save both Peach and Luigi, could work for some character development
@@svenmandelkorn3238 Okay Okay. I’ve already argued with you in my other reply section, so I won’t do it here. Let’s just wait until the movie comes out.
I have always seen Princess Peach as a kind and compassionate leader who was expressive and knew how to turn her feelings into actions, whether that meant kissing Mario on the nose in gratitude or speaking up about her kingdom. Whether or not her strong feelings for others meant she fought back or not when there was serious trouble was never something I considered too much for if I still admired her. I saw and experienced so many versions of her, such as from main series Mario games, the Paper Mario spin-off series, the Mario & Luigi RPG series, the sports and action spin-offs and crossovers, and the cartoons, and I always felt happy with the various portrayals of her, because they kept the same compassion at her core, with the only exception seeming to have been the original Mario Strikers where she seemed more like a diva. The Mario Movie does not change what I like about Peach, as far as I can tell from the trailers, and I likely will enjoy this new version of her unless we see her less sweet towards her friends and allies than she usually is.
I'm mostly in the same boat. However, when I saw the Mario movie, I felt like Peach was.. way too.. un-Peach. When Mario first met her, she flipped him over without giving him any chance. I would get if he looked threatening or like one of Bowser's minions in some way, but he does not, and his behavior wasn't hostile, either. When a Toad asked who Mario was, she briskly replied that he wasn't important. I get that she was in a hurry, but why couldn't she just say "He's Mario. No time to explain!" For her to just dismiss him that way was, in my opinion, out of her character. Also, she was .. very cocky in general. Again, unlike Peach.
@@patilly100 yeah Movie Peach seemed too be out of Character a lot i do like her but i prefer her game Iterations more since they have a balanced of Toughness and kindness and Cababilities
The damsel in distress role doesn't work with the movie establishing the Mario Bros as newcomers to the Mushroom Kingdom. Why would Mario want to rescue this Princess he doesn't know? Why would the kingdom place their trust in a random plumber they don't know? With movie's requiring more focus on the story, these aspets from the games need some recontextualising. Having Luigi fill in that role of the damsel does give Mario a reason to fight Bowser and grow from being a regular plumber to a hero who saves the Mushroom Kingdom from Bowser's incoming army.
That makes no sense. Why would Mario want to save a princess he doesn't know sounds like Mario is just normal nobody who doesn't care if people are in trouble.
Makes absolute sense for motivation. He teams up with a princess protecting her kingdom from an external threat. The same threat that has his brother captive. Rather than, 'let's save this random person in a world we don't know, risking life and limb'
This video completely ignores my issue with how the movie seems to be handling her personality: she's not dainty. Peach has been proactive many times as you've stated, but she's always girly, bubbly, dainty, sweet, and upbeat. She's none of that from what I've seen so far. Guess I'll find out when I watch it.
@@laraprisma6381 I watch the Mario movie to I can tell you, the peach wasn’t really Completely feminine like in the games she doesn’t use the parasol in the film. She’s mostly aggressive in the film she called Mario small and says that Mario is not important three. I disagree with you a little bit Because peach was not like that in the film.
This movie is not ruining her character, it makes sense for her to be a fighter as she didn’t have a plumber to rescue her so she needed to defend herself and learn to fight, also why would Mario and Luigi rescue a princess that they don’t even know in a world that’s unfamiliar to them?!
Because Luigi and Mario are good people.... Mario is just courageous. Luigi is slightly... Sometimes you don't always need deep reasons just a simple one at least.
Yeah I just made this point in my own comment too, it would be random if mario needs to save a random-ass princess and kingdom he just met. Like he would rather just go home I think.
@@MangaBear thing is, those are good reasons for a simple platformer game plot, but for a feature movie releasing in theaters, you gotta build up motivation your main characters. Mario getting involved in a zany world that he's absolutely freaked out by and their war to save his little brother who's life is in danger is a much more compelling character motive than "helping princess cause im a good dude". And it still shows courage and overcoming all of these obstacles regardless, it's just more sensible to have it be for family he cares about and in the meantime he can build bonds with Peach and the others while they help each other.
That's EXACTLY what i'v been saying!!!! why would Mario save a princess he doesn't know? it would make sense that Luigi is the one being rescued for the origin
I just hope they show more of her feminine side, like her baking cakes or something. I feel like what we have seen so far of her has been mainly for marketing purposes. I think she should more or less be the way she was in the supershow.
The Super Mario Bros. Super Show did balance Peach’s personality well: she was the same type of Peach who we saw thank Mario for saving her but was strong and expressive like in games where she was a hero. I too would enjoy the- although stereotypically so- girly sides of her to show in the movie.
While I understand why they went this way with her, growing up with her being the Damsel in Distress so many times, I guys there was a part of me that was put off a bit by how much they made her a fighter in this movie. In some of the tv spots where she karate kicked that Bowser cutout and she made a defensive pose when that white gorilla roared at her and her companions. Yeah, she was more strong in the cartoons and comics, but those were separate things from the games. Not really saying that this version of Peach is bad, I just feel like it may take a bit of getting used to like Chris Pratt as Mario. Though I had an idea that in the movie, they give Peach a backstory where she used to unapologetically be a Damsel in Distress, but after getting kidnapped and put in distress so many times, she grew sick of it and decided to toughen herself up so she can fend for herself. I'm fine with having a stronger Peach, but I think I would ease into it more if they gave her a more elegant side rather than have her act like she's from a kung-fu movie.
This might not happen but what if originally peach wanted to be rescued by prince charming just like in the story books when she was younger she like the idea of someone who would risk thier lives to save the princess she thought that her hero who saved her would become her partner Daisy on the other hand thought that waiting around was to boring and why wait when daisy capable of defending herself since daisy extremely energetic she wouldn't want to sit around when the hero get to have all the fun So daisy might have convinced peach that her hero might found her cooler if peach learn how to fight on her own.
7:36 to 7:50 THANK YOU!!!!! 😁☺️😊💖 As a Peachie fan who has a huge crush on Peachie, this always frustrates me. People complained and wanted her to fight for herself, we got Super Princess Peachie, people complained about how she fought back and complained about the emotion powers and that she should be a damsel. Then when Peachie returns to her Damsel In Distress Role, people complain about how she should fight for herself and stop being a damsel by using her emotion powers. It doesn’t matter what she does, it’s not even her fault either. People just simply have to moan, whine, and complain and can’t be pleased. There is no pleasing people like this. You can’t have it both ways, choose which side you are on geez. 😒😒😒😒 Thanks for finally letting me have someone to relate to SONICSTA! 😊😁☺️💖
You brought up some pretty good points. I think generally the fear that ppl have for the way Peach will turn out in this movie has to do with Hollywood's reputation making toxic female characters and making male characters that are lame/stupid.
Peach CAN kick ass, this isn't something new, and she has had adventures, but I REALLY hope that they don't lose sight of who peach is in the process, and I hope Luigi will be adventuring himself and not just taking Peach's place as the damsel
@@briannawilson8845 Luigi is going to learn to fight from Mario and peach going to fight but gets trapped in bowsers trap and Mario Luigi got to save her
I kinda understand where these people are coming from. Hollywood has become so obsessed with creating strong female characters for the past few years to the point where they usually come out as just Mary Sues or girl bosses divoid of depth. But there's clearly evidence that Peach has *always* been a strong character in her own right while still maintaining her caring and kind-hearted nature. Take that Ben Shapiro!
From what I’ve seen, I think a lot of fear for Movie Peach is the possibility that she’ll be portrayed as the generic “strong female character”. Like you said Peach has always been powerful and competent, and I don’t think anybody who looks at her beyond face value would argue that she isn’t, but in media we’re still sort of going through the fallout of “Girlboss That Rejects Femininity = Compelling Female Character”. (The best example of this that comes to mind is Amazon’s Cinderella, which was rightfully torn to shreds before arrival.) I remember seeing a comment on this a while ago that roughly said that Peach’s femininity works in tandem with her strength and is what makes her so compelling, and that based on what the trailers had shown at the time, there was a worry that Movie Peach was going to just be that stereotypical girlboss character we’re all tired of. I think it’s still way too early to say that’s the case, we need to see the movie for that, but I also can’t say it’s not an unfounded concern.
exactly i have faith there not gonna do peach like that but i can understand why people were skeptical cause like you said there worried that there make her the generic strong girlboss character you see a lot in modern moviesi was a little skepticla myself at first so what i don't get is why people and certain youtubers find it so unreasonable that there skeptical cough cough(transparency) cough
Exactly this! Thanks for voicing that. :) I've been a Mario fan for most of my life, and have played most of the games where Peach has a more active role. And I especially admired her in Paper Mario 64, where, even though she was kidnapped, she still tried everything she could to help Mario and didn't just sit around crying (even though she did cry a little and was really sad and worried about Mario, and I don't blame her for that one bit, but the best thing is that caused her to take action). I also love the Super Mario Adventures comic. So, seeing Peach like this in the trailers, I wasn't thinking that she can't be or hasn't been this way, but it was more of the worry that they will take away everything else that is more feminine about Peach, until she's that tiresome trope that is so prevalent lately. That would honestly be a bit disappointing. I feel it sends a bad message that: as a girl/woman, if you show vulnerability, fear, have to rely on others (especially men) for help sometimes, or show anything other than smug sarcasm or a stoic nature in the face of danger, then you're 'weak'. Peach has displayed vulnerability, fear, reliance on others (especially Mario) often, and has cried and showed concern for others, along with kindness and politeness for the most part; at the same time she is also a strong leader, is pretty smart, and willing to fight for what's right, and she has beaten enemies, and even bosses with only a bit of help (even Mario has help a lot of the time, and even Mario has lost to Bowser occasionally), and she won't be bullied or forced into submission whenever she can help it (Super Mario RPG is a good example, since she showed all of those qualities throughout the game). I would argue that Peach is MORE developed as a character than Daisy and Rosalina. She's my favorite Mario princess for that reason, though I do like the other princesses, too. I just can't understand why people say "Daisy is so much better than Peach," just because she's more tomboyish: we've hardly seen Daisy in her own kingdom and we haven't even seen how she interacts with everyone there, because when we did see her in her own kingdom, she was kidnapped, too... Anyway, yes, it's a bit early to say exactly how she will be in the movie, and some of Peach's expressions gave me a bit of hope, but it could go either way. I still think I will really enjoy the movie even if Peach does turn into a stereotypical 'girlboss', but I will be a tad disappointed if that does turn out to be the case.
@Yumi_The_Yoshi_Tamer Daisy been held back by Nintendo. The spinoff games did more for her character then Nintendo mainline games has ever done. Nintendo has treaded her like crap while peach get treaded like a queen. The fact daisy overcame all that is why most like her cause they can relate to her.
There was an interview with Chris Meledandri and Shigeru Miyamoto where they discussed wanting to make Peach have a more and more active role. At the time of her creation, Miyamoto said that they needed a simple story. It’s a really long way just to say this is the character development the creator himself wanted.
I like what they've shown. I'm just hoping we also get her sweet side as well. In pretty much every game she's in, playable or not, she's a very kind and girly type of character. Games like Paper Mario 1-3, Mario and Rabbids, Mario RPG, Super Princess Peach, the sports games, definitely show that along with her fierce, headstrong side. I'm really hoping we get all of that here.
I just think her voice actor was poorly chosen, it immediately pulls me out of the scene and I feel like a lot of fans would agree since her voice is way higher than in the trailer. That’s all that really bugs me about her
To be honest, I don't really see a problem with Peach's character in the movie. As far as I know, we have never been given a canon origin story where Mario arrives at the Mushroom Kingdom for the first time, which means we haven't seen what Peach was like at this point. So it's no surprise for me to see her supposedly "out-of-character". Also, the creators confirmed that they seemed to go to this direction as Mario saving Peach wouldn't make no sense as Mario has no chemistry with Peach at this point, as opposed to Luigi who he has known his whole life, which suggests why Luigi is portrayed as the damsel in distress. Edit: However, as Luigi is my favourite character, I'm a bit scared of the movie going in this direction considering he might not have as much screen time as expected.
I think you're missing out on some things that are key to this issue. Being a damsel in distress isn't a character trait, it's a situation somebody might be in. The more important issue is that the version of Peach we see in the movie seems to have a demeanor and temperament different from what we see in the games. The trailers show her as more stern and tomboy-like than the archetypically feminine character we know from the games. Just look at her body language as she walks down the hallway and picks up the halberd, for example. Even the side eye we see her give Mario makes her come across as more sassy than the prim and proper princess we know. I don't think this change is an improvement or necessary for the plot. I think it's possible to retain her canonical characterization while being a leader and fighting with the style she does in the games. She uses an umbrella in the games instead of a halberd. Why is that bad? If she wasn't as interesting or developed in the past, than there's no reason the writers couldn't have simply built on what was there to flesh out her character more. Personally, I don't see why being archetypically feminine is worse than being a tomboy in any regard. It's just different, and there's nothing wrong with that. As for the comics, I still feel like that's a weak argument. They may be licensed, but I think the games are clearly the more authoritative source. I didn't even know there were comics, and I've been a Mario fan my whole life. Referring to them seems like an even more dubious version of referring to the Star Wars EU books in a debate over that fandom...it just isn't the same as the main medium we see the characters in. Especially in this case.
100% correct. She’s coming across too tough for her character, and more like those stupid generic women empowerment female leads we’re getting too much of in recent years. That personality is wayyy more fitting for someone like daisy, not her. But even then, that trope has no place in the mario realm. Yeah daisy is brash and daring, but not in the annoying way the trope does it.
Excellent comment. You should read the comic actually, because you'd be able to make a similarly strong argument how it's truly a weak argument people use, just like with Super Princess Peach.
@@odette4059 Peach has a tough side to herself. and as for daisy she doesn't fit the "strong female character" role as most people make her out to be. Daisy had no other development than being a side character. Daisy is kind and friendly she's not that brash just has a sassy side to her. Peach fits the role because it's the mushroom kingdom daisy doesn't run the mushroom kingdom. Peach does. I do agree peach should've been more well rounded.
I think my favorite depiction of Peach is from the first two Paper Mario games, where she still gets kidnapped but isn't uselessely waiting for Mario to save her. She can't escape on her own, but she manages to send Mario important information, and without that information, Mario wouldn't know where to go at all. So she is not useless like in most mainline games, and she tries to solve problems with her sweetness, like baking a cake for Gourmet Guy in exchange for information. The strong and capable depiction of Peach is my second favorite, but it easily forgets all the times Peach got kidnapped. If she can fight on her own, why didn't she try to fight to escape before ? And besides, strong and capable Peach kinda overlaps with Daisy on the fact that she's known as the princess who's not afraid to stand on her own. With Paper Peach's depiction, we have Peach as a sweet person who tries her best to solve problems without fights, and Daisy as a independant person who kicks anyone who annoys her, which could make a fun chimestry between the two. But strong and capable Peach is still my second favorite depiction, so I don't mind her being used in the movie and it can lead to fun moments. Super Paper Peach getting annoyed by Francis' dating simulator, pulling an "Anybody got time for that ?" and bombing the simulator is one of her best moments.
Someone: Not my Peach Also, someone: She is the most boring Mario Character. Seriously, how is it not "your Peach" when you're so indifferent about her?
No, she doesn't. I'm tired of woke stuff as much as the next guy, but Peach has clearly had moments like this when she was in her infancy, like the Super Show, comics, Super Princess Peach, etc.
Personally I believe it's very intelligent and prudent to not go facing immense danger by yourself. Sure the constant kidnapping is questionable, but facing a raging villainous antagonist with a team of friends who have proven themselves resourceful and capable is undoubtedly a smart decision.
As long as she's not "just a strong female character that's taking the spotlight away from mario", then I don't mind her being a strong female character. It's the mario movie and not the peach movie. But it actually makes sense to not let her be kidnapped because mario has to have a reason to go on the adventure. Luigi is his brother, and in the movie he just met Peach and the mushroom kingdom, so it would feel a bit out of place if mario was suddenly motivated to train his ass off to save a random-ass princess he just met instead of his family.
Now that you have mentioned it, Mr SONICSTA, I’m no longer worried about what they are going to do with Peach. In this upcoming movie, since Mario has been, seen, or even heard of the Mushroom Kingdom, he’ll needing someone to guide him through the potential hazards of the kingdom and the directors felt that Peach fit the bill, because since she’s the ruler, she knows the place left and right at the back of her hand.
My argument has nothing to do with her strength (I love the comic for example) but her sweeter aspects seem toned down and there are times when Peach is portrayed as tougher than Mario. And in the games at least it seems like Peach's bravery was built over time by her friendship with Mario because she got bolder with each game. But in the movie she has that boldness right out the gate
They are not ruining her. I always remember being frustrated with the fact that the synopsis for a lot of the Mario games starts with her getting kidnapped so I like that she isn't really the damsel in distress, but someone who cares for he kingdom and wants to protect it.
I hope because of the movie, we will see Peach being a playable option and journeying alongside the Mario bros in more games down the line in the future, like in 3D World. The games don't always have to be her being kidnapped. Let someone/something else get kidnapped for once. Like those fairies in 3D World.
I love how everyone is claiming they turned Princess Peach in Daisy. I guess everyone forgot that Daisy was held captive by Tatanga in Super Mario Land.
Oh yeah actually. According to the booklet, Mario Bros. 2 isn't a dream. It says that Mario dreamed of a huge staircase leading to a door with Subcon, the land of dreams, behind the door and that a voice asks him to save Subcon from Wart. The next day, Mario goes on a picnic with Luigi, Toad and Peach, and they accidently find a cave that leads to the exact same staircase and door Mario saw in his dream. So Mario and friends go through that door (likely the door that they fall from at the beginning of the game), end up in Subcon, and go to defeat Wart as it was told in Mario's dream. If you don't press start immediatly in the game, it starts telling you a shorter version of that exact story. I also left out some details so if you're interested, you can find the booklet online.
I don't really see what's wrong with her. From what I know, she's acted like this before, so it's not out of the ordinary. I'd actually like to see Peach be more open in the games like this. It makes her a more relatable character, and I think people would be more admirable towards her because she's been able to handle the worst of the worst on her own. I think the typical Damsel in Distress trope is getting a little old, and I hope that this movie'll influence Miyamoto-San to make her a more fierce and militant character like you said, because it makes her more unique from other Damsels who fall victim to the same Distress trope.
I think people are just fed up with the whole "Mary Sue" or "strong female character" archetype that Hollywood seems to be really obsessed with nowadays.
@@liamphibia we have been having a lot of female protagonists since the 1970s. As a matter of fact, I never thought about people complaining about this "problem" until recently.
Most female nowadays are usually “Mary Sues”. Like Ray from Star Wars. There are great female leads, but the bad ones/Mary sues are getting a lot of spot light right now.
@@texanman7191 Whats so bad about strong woman characters anyway? It's not like she's stealing the spotlight. Mario has shown to have some badass moments in the trailers and commercials.
I don’t get why some people complain about peach being a damsel in distress, but when this movie tries to make her more independent, they want her to go back to being the damsel in distress??? People are so confusing these days…
One thing I noticed because of this video, and something I really hope the movie does well, is that whenever Peach has her hero moments she's never a fierce badass girlboss or anything. She's a likeable character who is depicted as "capable" as if it's no big deal. In a lot of recent movies and shows, it's become a bit too popular to make a "heroic", "strong" female character instead just come off as rude, aggressive, or standoffish, which aren't usually traits glorified in any likeable protagonists, male or female. Her depiction in this movie will hopefully be very refreshing.
Well apparently there was a leak of info from someone that worked on the film that stated in the earlier version, Peach was going to be treated as the main star of the movie with a snarky girl boss attitude who completely overshadows Mario until Nintendo came in and corrected that. There are still remnants of that in the final film apparently, but it is way more subdued than it was.
@@Diogo85 People see Mario being a bit goofy (Mario came from another dimension so he’s not gonna know much.) and they don’t look deep into the things like the comics, cartoons, and games. I can understand why people get red flags but if they know her past her damsel role, then they wouldn’t see that.
I just noticed that peach's character had been act before like ever I saw in cartoon shows where peach it's like a boss girl, Slightly a little bit different from the movie ever liked the most but It's not like ruining her character, it's just how it is, If she's able to fight, then she was A simple Princess Heroine who Independent of her own without getting kidnapped by bowser. I just hope peach's character going forward if She's interested in Mario's attractive for example and Mario feels more gentle to the princess, imagine if that could happen, just like Similar based on the games, not like baking the cake or Give Mario a kiss for whatsoever. It could be something different just like similar to Woody and bo peep from toy story 4, heck I doubt peach and Mario will do the same thing.
For years, people have hated Peach in the games BECAUSE she’s always kidnapped and barely ever fights back, her extremely bubbly and girly personality, and her high pitched voice and now that they’ve finally got rid of all that for this movie version of her, people/fans hate it smh :/
After seeing the movie I do think they made her way too much of a Mary Sue girl boss who could do no wrong and everyone loves, like making her more interdependent is one thing but they went way ott with it she is basically Mulan from that awful live action remake, Peach has always been this highly feminine character even in smash she fights by slapping and using frying pans her ultimate move is to dance and put her foes to sleep, but here She solos Bower and all his minions easy with kung fu. And I don't think pulling out some obscure Mario manga that shows Mario naked with his tiny penis at one point is that good of a defense. But that being said I don't think the Mario Movie has or is ruining Peach, Its just a different take on the character. Its just a shame they decided to re write her old personality with this new boring girl boss cliche, the reason I don't like this Peach is the same reason I wouldn't like a version of Samus Arhin baking cakes, humming, blowing kisses, and making heart shapes with her hands.
You're thinking of Super Mario-Kun there. Super Mario Advbentures was a series that ran in Nintendo Power back in 1993, which was far less obscure than that.
To an extent I can see why people are complaining about this. Princess Peach's graceful and dainty side has not been shown in any of the trailers so more often than not people might think that she's just being portrayed as the "Badass Girl-Boss Mary Sue" character. But this in my humble opinion is a bad take. I don't need to mention that Princess Peach has been portrayed as a badass plenty of times in the mario franchise (In both games and other media), but you guys also have to consider who's making this movie in the first place. Illuimination and Nintendo. I remember a while back I was debating the idea of Princess Peach going "Woke" with some idiot who claimed that Nintendo was going woke recently, using Super Mario Odyssey as an example and pointing to the ending scene where Princess Peach denies both Mario & Bowser the chance to marry her. This is a prime example of someone that doesn't know what "Woke" means in a sense. Companies that push this woke ideology of badass mary-sue female characters with unlikeable personalities are disconnected from the audience they serve, Illumination & Nintendo are NOT those types of companies. Shigeru Miyamoto is a producer on this thing and he has been breathing down Illumination's neck to make sure that this thing serves as the definitive "Mario" movie, so I highly doubt that they are just going to make Princess Peach the one that accomplishes everything and beats everyone with no effort. I mean, there's no adventure or need for Mario to be there if Princess Peach can handle herself, right? So why would they make her a "Girlboss" that is independent and "Woke"? Princess Peach being a strong, protective leader isn't woke, it's par for the course or at least it should be. I'm positive that Illumination will do our Princess justice, especially if Shigeru Miyamoto himself is on the project.
Shes out of character, that personality is daisys, not peach. Peach is suppose to be caring and not a trash talker like they made her out to be in the movie, she would never treat mario like that. And yes peach was kicking ass in her DS game but she always seemed humble and happy doing it while using her umbrella, not this personality they put in the movie.
I had completely forgottten about that Super Mario manga comic... I loved the artwork in that one! I think good points are brought up in this video. Let's just relax and see the complete picture and then we can debate and argue.
For so long people complained that Peach didn't do anything. When she finally becomes a proper ruler, people are mad. What does it take to satisfy the internet?
A lot of people are trying to cite the cartoons and comic as a reason, but there’s a difference. First of claiming that those renditions have “more personality” is subjective. Peach in the games DOES have a defined personality. And the cartoons and comics still had plenty of moments that reminded us that it’s Princess Peach. So far the film has seemingly lost most of that and made her a completely serious character, which isn’t who she is in the slightest. The problem isn’t that she’s independent, since plenty of the games have done that already. The problem is that the movie so far hasn’t even attempted to recreate the sweet, bubbly, girly, and slightly naive princess the games depict. She was a bit goofy herself, not 100% serious. Her girliness and strength coexisted, to the point that her fighting style was built off of it. The fear is that she’ll be made into more of a generic girlboss, and judging by the trailers, it’s not an unfounded concern. Her becoming more generic isn’t a good thing.
Peach in these adaptations has arguably more personality than Peach in most games in the series due to her being more active there than in the games where she was merely a trophy in most cases, not necessarily a bad character, but hardly anyone you interact with. Peach in the movie is as feisty and determined as the Peach from the Super Mario Adventure comics and the Super Show as well as the Super Paper Mario game, where she acts exactly like that. Peach isn't ever depicted as a goofball or humorous at all in the Mario series, she was always more serious than the Mario Bros and is often the voice of reason and understanding like how she convinced Bowser to join him. The movie is not inconsistent at all with this characterization as this capable person, since she had always been able to take charge in many stories and even got her own game where she acts exactly like in the movie as heroic and powerful. Peach in the movie is super sweet, gentle and bumbly, every time she interacts with Mario, she is understanding, loving and empathic and assures him that they will save Luigi and shows a lot of concern for Mario and her talking about Galaxies and pushing it aside was one of the funniest bits with her as well as the Cheep-Cheep scene, she is not in the movie 100% serious, she has funny moments. In addition to this,, Peach is not unfeminie at all and acts rather feminie in the trailers so far like the aforementioned loving attitude towards Mario and grace.. calling her unfeminie and nothing like the Peach we all and know and love it's not only unfounded, but a lie to conceal both a lack of understanding of her character as well as obvious sexism. The fear is unfounded, she relies on Mario and is not inconsistent with other portrayals of Peach in there, she is more consistent that in the striker games where she more of a "Girlboss" than movie peach and even then, it's fun. Also Peach is not naive, she is often within the group the voice of reason and compassion and it's often Mario and Luigi who are more in the naive category, not Peach even if she can be tricked, but none of the three are really naive, their enemies are dangerous and they are able to handle it them like all the times before and after, like Movie Bowser, who is gonna regret ever attacking Peach and the Mario bros!!!
@@basilofgoodwishes4138 Have you actually seen the movie because featuring the movie was mostly aggressive in the film and called Mario you small and says Mario is not important I don’t think in my opinion princess peach is sweet in the film she is mostly aggressive and unlikable.
Short answer: No Long answer: No, peach has taken more proactive roles in Mario games such as the various spin offs and in 3D world. Also it makes sense that peach would be taking measures to defend the mushroom kingdom from bowser’s attack rather than being a sitting duck.
My main hope is that Peach still has her feminine side. Someone who still likes pink, baking, and other girly things but can and will kick your ass if you stop on her toes too much.
Peach strikes me as being both a tomboy and a girly girl at the same time. She likes pink, looking elegant and pretty, cooking, but she also likes adventuring, sports, getting involved in competitions and not being afraid to get dirty.
The movie built upon her character. In the games she’s always a helpless damsel with the exception of Super Princess Peach on the DS. I like that she is a competent princess of her kingdom. She’s not belittling to Mario. They both get to be on a pedestal. Honestly she’s one of the best portrayals of a female character I’ve seen in recent Hollywoood.
I just find it annoying how much of the fanbase refuses to see each of her appearances as the sum of her parts, instead choosing to look at them as individual versions that should be seen as purely individual. Treating Peach's role in the "main" games as the same one from Super Princess Peach is not the end of the role. (Also, audiences tend to be way too hard on female characters that are a damsel in distress. Femininity is not shameful) Which is weird since this never done with Luigi. And Daisy is... I like her but she really needs a major role at some point. Anyways, we are all in silent agreement on Wario & Waluigi kidnapping her in a sequel, right?
Yes. She doesn’t feel like she used to. It actually makes it unpleasant to watch her. Feels like someone faking peach after only watching Mario peach fan fic.
The latest trailer, in which Peach seamlessly passes the training course as the generic Mary Sue she's become, almost puts me off any last desire to see the movie, and it’s not her prowess that annoys me (we’ve seen her being dextreous in various games), it’s her cocky can-do-anything and know-it-all attitude, so boring and so unlike her. She is one of my favorite characters, kinda sad what they’ve done with her
That's just 1 part tho. Doesn't mean that she would be like this throughout ,however, we shall see when the movie comes out. Edit: Just watched the movie, she was sassy at the beginning for a short period but ok for the rest
I honestly don’t see Peach given Daisy’s traits. Peach is a lot more active and capable or herself, but she’s not showing a tomboyish attitude and is more serious about protecting her kingdom. I think Daisy would have more Tomboy qualities and be a bit more carefree in a situation like this and would rather have a life of Danger as opposed to Peach who only is a badass action girl when absolutely necessary.
if you think about it, peach probably fended off bowser multiple times before mario arrived. only difference is bowser had the super star this time that's why during her speech the toads didn't care for mario she held her own during the wedding scene
The difference is she uses Parasol instead of a halberd in the games. Both Peach the damsel and peach the heroine were BOTH ultra feminine. Defeminization is in fact woke.
I didn't know anything about the comics for Peach, and honestly this helped remove some confusion and hesitation. Due to the day and age, I just was a bit nervous how they were going to portray Peach because it seemed just the same as everything else nowadays; these pointers added much more clarity. Thank you so much, Sonicsta! I've watched your videos for a while and I think your commentary and breakdowns are great!
7:36 People complaining about Peach Lack of Character, then complaining about Peach Having Character. In my opinion, they were never the same people complaining.
I honestly don't understand. She has a personality. She is cool. She isn't just a girl witch is waiting to be saved. She is strong. How people can complain ???
You guys cropping up, calling te real cahracter a "non-personality", because you're actually an awful human being lambasting women for being women. And men too actually, rescue missions are NOT damseling. You're jsut a burden who never goes into the field and gets captured, like MANY admireable men. A coward, who only respects women who have been granted girlboss moments, instead of real srength and courage AGAINST the odds , and WITHOUT a plot armor.
Mmm... What matters is the spirit of the characters and from what little I've seen it seems fluctuating. The world of mushrooms has a visible cheerfulness, sweet but at the same time relaxing which here seems more boisterous and impersonal apart from the easily recognizable elements. You can, indeed you must, make a character like her more self-sufficient, but without making her a boorish parody. In the old cartoons he made decisions and participated, but without exaggerating. In a Nintendo Power comic she would break free while the others were busy, but she shows up carrying a Bomb-omb. Likewise in the film, do you want her to swing an object menacingly to show that she's ready to fight? Well, let her use her parasol, which is also useful as a comic line, not a terribly screeching halberd. Do you want to be athletic? Great, nothing against it, it has also been part of sports games, nothing wrong, but avoid the ninja fold out of character with a rotating flying kick, it's not Sheik and it's not even original as an idea, it would be worth it even on Mario. They are not ruining it, but neither are they respecting it in my modest opinion, and not because they don't know the subject, but because they don't care. They want to do it their way, and sensei Miyamoto's control is pretty null, I think. In the past he protested not to give Mario a sword but rather a hammer in the more RPG titles. The Miyamoto of now, even leaving out Peach, it can be seen that he has clearly left a lot of freedom. Peach can get angry, combative, but she is always elegant, pure and regal, and you have to make her so even as an action-princess. I understand the desire to watch the film, very well, but this does not mean being able to deny that the spirit behind it is different (and not for the action).
The reaction to Mario in the trailers is a bit of a knee-jerk IMO. The most prominent complaint is that it's actually The Princess Peach Movie. Apparently, Mario is an incompetent fool whose role is nothing but slapstick and being constantly thrown under the bus. This is going to sound sadistic, but I found Mario being slapped around by DK and failing on the obstacle course really satisfying. You would have never seen this 20 years ago. Mario has been constantly portrayed as perfect. There's nothing he can't do. He's the Mickey Mouse of video games. What do Mario and Mickey have in common? They're BORING. It's only when their respective companies made a conscious effort to portray them as fallible that they became relatable. It was probably a bitter pill to swallow for Miyamoto, but he and Nintendo have accepted that Mario immediately knowing what he's doing wouldn't work in a movie format. Another complaint is that they've made Luigi the damsel in distress, and he'll spend the entire movie in captivity. Nintendo cast Charlie Day as Luigi for a reason, they wouldn't waste him like that. They've made references to Luigi's Mansion. What I think they'll do is that Luigi will escape on his own and try to find Mario while sneaking around Bowser's territory. He was carrying a toolkit in the trailer. He'll probably use them as weapons to either sabotage Bowser or defend himself against Bowser's minions. I have faith in The Super Mario Bros Movie. Everyone (Mario, Luigi, Peach, etc) will play a role in defeating Bowser.
The answer to the video's question is yes. we don't have to bring the "having her own game" thing because that doesn't explain the sassyness and the "perfect amazon serious girlboss leader thing"
@SONICSTA Why? You bring up all these lowkey examples that most casual fans of Mario don't even know about. Everyone knows and remembers Super Mario Bros main storyline being Mario saving Princess Peach, why change that for the the movie? Because of a DS game and some comics? Its a joke.
@@SONICSTA For me personally I prefer the 1993 Super Mario Bros because in the 1993, Super Mario, Bros, Mario and the Luigi team up to beat King koopa and save a parallel world and Princess Daisy, and don’t forget princess Daisy in the 1993 film feels a lot more like princess peach then Princess, peach in new movie does because princess peach in the movie doesn’t feel like princess peach was Princess Daisy from the 1993 film feels a lot more like princess peach because she’s capable in the film but he’s also very friendly I enjoyed there chemistry between Luigi and daisy in the film. So yeah for me, personally I think the original 1993 film is better than the new one, not a great movie, but better than the new one.
The fact people are complaining about Movie Peach, but they didn't mind the movie Knuckles' British accent and making him more menacing, they were okay with David Tennant's scrooge mcduck losing his greedy attitude.
Knuckles was taken seriously when first debuted in games, so why would Sonic fans complain about the second movie returning to form for Knuckles? The Mario Bros movie on the other hand is trying way too hard to correct the damsel in distress part of Peach's character. It wants to more like the games but it's also acting like it is ashamed of a part of them by incorporating alternate Peach traits on to what looks like game Peach. So far what we got cartoon/comic Peach in video game Peach's skin.
@@zerofudou5689 well I really hope they have both traits in the movie, but I was mostly upset that she will not have her adorable cute voice. Also what's your opinion in David Tennant's Scrooge Mcduck ( you know the reboot 2017 version of Scrooge McDuck ) losing his greediness in the show even though the show ended 2 years ago
Hi again. I think they should change her back in the next movie. Movie Peach is actually exaggerated and kinda OOC. 1) She isn't that tough. Peach is a girly, sweet and graceful princess who becomes aggressive just when she's really angry. Most of the time she is just chill. 2) She would not punch people or use actual Kung Fu. I'm pretty sure she learns it in Peach Showtime (not before). Go on, try prove me wrong and name a few games where she punches rudely someone in the face or use that kicks. Sports game excluded of course. Or the Halberd ( which she doesn't use). Where the frick is her parasol? 3) Definitely Daisy traits. When she put arms on her hips. Daisy canonical trait. When she starts throwing punches around when the Kongs explain the plan. Definitely something Daisy would do, not Peach. Her kicking and punching fighting. I already explain this. The Motorbike isn't actually a big deal but in Mario Kart 8 loading screen that's how Daisy is represented. 4) My idea for Princess Peach charachter remake: - more feminine and less serious. - more chill and now free to be more of herself since her kingdom is not in such danger anymore. - in the game she is like Brawl Meta Knight. A too powerful charachter for the plot. Fix her slowly in the next movie so people don't see the difference so much. - Parasol weapon. More Smash Moveset. - give Back to Daisy her toughness, but more happy-energetic. - Movie Daisy is chaotic, physically stronger and good at improvvisate plans or attacks, but less diplomatic and Peach is just better in organisation and branding weapons. Instead of hate, if you have any ideas for 2nd Movie Peach and Daisy just write after my comment with an emoij first. Peach 💖 Daisy 🌼
@@SONICSTA Like I said, just nerf her a little. He shouldn't have given her a sweet nice personality in the first place if he didn't. Besides, even in Peach Showtine she's pretty feminine and graceful ( and strong) so what's with the Movie one? Her toy version has a parasol, but it never appeared. And how is Daisy going to be unique if Peach is the one punching people and doing that stuff? I know Nintendo doesn't really like her but geez.
@@SONICSTA If This is the princess peach that he’s always wanted. Why did he made heard that in the first place in the original game because in the original game it was Princess Peach been a damsel and she replaced Pauline for the game and also Princess Peach was already powerful You know what her power is sweet, kind, gentle, femininity, and caring, that’s what makes a powerful character strength is not about fighting strength, is not about winning. Every time strength is not about being perfect. Every time strength is about caring about others. Strength is about being loving and compassionate. that’s what makes a great character, but peach and the movie was not like that that much and she was a bland character in the film And princess, peach in the games has better personality then in the movie
You've completely missed the point of the mis-characterization of Princess Peach. No one said that she can't fight or should be a damsel in distress forever, it's her MANNERISMS that are way off. The movie Princess Peach acted very tomboyish, almost butch with her commanding presence and penchant to jump into fights with "cool moves". In those regards, she seemed more like Princess Daisy, not Peach. How did you miss that in the examples YOU showed in your own video? Princess Peach covered her mouth out of shock in many pics and games in your video. When she panicked, she was tapping her feet. She had one eye closed out of dislike for violence in the pic of her smashing a Goomba over the head in your video. That sends the message that while she can kick ass, she's still FEMININE, dainty, or "princessy". That was her characterization for 30 years, and that was what was missing in the movie, not the damsel in distress or being useless bits. Another example of mis-characterization was the Bayverse Optimus Prime. Bay's Murder Prime said stuff like "GIVE ME YOUR FACE!" and "I'll KILL YOU ALL!". You can make a 10 min video about how Optimus Prime always kick Decepticon ass and destroyed many of them over 30 years, but that'd be missing the point again, just as you have in this video. It's not about Optimus killing Decepticons, it's about a completely different personality that didn't exist in the decades of his lore.
I mean she is a princess of a entire kingdom!! of course she's gonna know about the power-ups and have combat skills because the toads can only do so much like that one toad said in the trailer "what are we supposed to do we're adorable" these red pill fools always be looking for something to complain about
My Favourite Version of Peach is from the Super Mario Adventures Comic Miniseries, I just hope the Movie version can partially carry that through, cause IMO the trailers with her has not been impressing me as of late, not of hate but of concern that she could just fall in to that same tiresome trope of a strong female character but with no other traits to her personality, I find this as an issue hoping not to happen because to well-put together Strong Female Characters, there's more to them than just the Strength.
This isn't new. The movie Peach was more like Princess Toadstool from the 1980s and early 90s DIC cartoons in the US. Princess Toadstool's American portrayal was always more sassy/girl-bossy than the Japanese portrayal of Princess Peach. Japanese Peach and US Toadstool are almost completely different characters. If you compare the DIC cartoons of the 80s to the SMB anime's of the 80s you can definitely tell that the Japanese version of Peach was a lot more cute and submissive. In the 1980s anime Peach had blond hair, a high pitched super cute voice and acted very traditionally feminine (sweet and girly). She was a typical damsel in distress, something that used to be quite common in the US but you started seeing less and less of American media since the 60s. But it's still very common in Japan. By contrast, in the US, Princess Toadstool was more of a tomboy despite the fact that she still dressed like a pretty princess. She had fiery red hair, a deeper voice and a much more sassy and take charge attitude. The Japanese version of Peach was the version we got in most of the games, especially starting with Mario64 (when they officially changed her name from Toadstool to Peach in the US, she was always Peach in Japan) so that's what more people got used to over the years, especially the younger generation who never got to see the DIC cartoons of the late 80s and early 90s. But the US version of the 2023 film resurrected sassy/girlboss Toadstool from the DIC cartoons, they just kept her name as Peach along with her blond hair. The irony is that, in the 80s, even though the submissive portrayal of women was on the wane, it was still quite common so back then seeing a sassy more girlbossy princess toadstool was still considered a subversion of expectations and a refreshing change. Not so anymore. Now the reverse is true. One of the reasons Peach is such a beloved character is BECAUSE she's so sweet and traditionally feminine. We don't see much of that anymore in the US so this "outdated" traditional feminine portrayal is actually more of a refreshing change than the stereotypical tomboy girlboss that has taken over western media. Making the princess just another sassy girlboss has become the tired old trope, whereas in the 80s it was still considered refreshing.
Kinda Hope that because of the movie they make Mario characthers in game be able to talk more, not only speach bubbles but like Mario having a conversation where he says more then Just some senteces , kinda like sunshine's japanesse opening cutscene
Yeah, back in the n64 and Gamecube era, Nintendo seemed to really go out of their way to make the Mario characters more chattier and have actual conversations rather than just catchphrases or speech bubbles. Ever since the Wii era, the Mario characters started to talk a lot less and have been ever since. But I think Luigi's Mansion 3 did a good job making the characters more expressive and actually having conversations like in the scenes where Luigi rescues Mario and Peach. I hope to see more moments like that in future games, and I believe the movie will help encourage them to.
I predict at a little bit before the climax of the movie, Mario saves Luigi, but in turn Peach gets secretly kidnapped by Bowser. Then the climax is going to be Mario (and maybe Luigi too) fight Bowser it save Peach and the kingdom
I just think the live action makes her more bland. I prefer the chipper voice and her being girly. I don’t mind the plot of her in the movie I just think she should be more enthusiastic and cartoony
You don't get it, regardless rather peach is good or not, everyone know her for being kidnapped by Bowser, that the whole point of being base of the game for. The whole Mario bros movie did it right so why can't this one? If they not gonna do it like the game did it then why make a super Mario bros movie to begins with?
Peaches being a bad ass isn't a problem. The problem is that hollywood for the past 6 years have muddled the strong female thing to the point of it being a cult, that they got a massive bonner of such opportunity, that nintendo had to step in and remind the studio who the real hero is and that was mario not peach, because it has become a habit of hollywood to undermine the main hero to prop up there quota.
Her personality has only been clear in the old TV show and comics, but for the most part her personality is very difficult to pinpoint in the games. That being said, I don't feel like her character in the film really felt the same as in the games, but it still worked well. As a lifelong Mario fan, I still enjoyed the film and it's version of the characters.
With all the references in this movie, I won’t be surprised if Bowser gets his hands on her during the climax of the film. Even if it’s for a few minutes. “Help me, Mario.”
According to google a Mary Sue is "a type of female character who is depicted as unrealistically lacking in flaws or weaknesses.example: "she was not a ‘strong woman’ so much as an insufferable Mary Sue"
I don’t see why there’s an issue with too many references and Chris is doing better and this peach is cool and even the games she kinda start to do better hero wise so what’s the deal 😅 I only hope Luigi does something heroic in the movie even it’s small or atleast gets a spin-off movie to make up for being kidnapped
Peach was amazing in the movie! She defended her kingdom with her life, she mentored Mario when he was new to the kingdom, she gave Mario much needed emotional support when he was trying to save his brother, and she even fought in her 'wedding' to Bowser. And her role in the movie gave me DiC cartoon vibes. In those cartoons, despite being kidnapped by Bowser/Koopa in some episodes, she was very proactive in the whole series. Here's a few examples: * *Brooklyn Bound* She put Mario and Luigi's feelings of going home to Brooklyn ahead of her own needs. Okay, she was kidnapped along with Toad at the last minute, but she was incredibly selfless in this episode, so I decided to mention it. * *Love Em and Leave Em* While she, Luigi and Toad get trapped in Queen Rotunda's dungeon, Peach/Toadstool is the one to think of a plan to get them out. She also thinks of another plan to save Mario from being forcefully married to Queen Rotunda. (Long story short, there was a love potion). * *The Trojan Koopa* When Mario, Luigi and Toad were in trouble, Peach/Toadstool used the starman to power herself up and take out Bowser/Koopa's army herself. * *Mind Your Mommy, Mummy Mario* She takes charge of the "mad Mummy" situation, realises that Lemmy/Hip and Iggy/Hop had kidnapped Prince Mushroom-koman's mummy case, and splits the group up according to dispel the situation. Then, when Mario is captured by the Mummy, she quickly orchestrates a plan to rescue him. (Sidenote, Luigi also shines in this episode). * *Up, Up and a Koopa* This one is probably one of the best examples. In this episode, Mario and Luigi are the ones who get trapped by Bowser/Koopa and Ludwig/Kooky. Peach/Toadstool is the one to take initiative and she and Toad fly (with Racoon Power) to rescue them. * *King Scoopa Koopa* Not only does she see right through Bowser/Koopa's ideas and evil schemes, but Peach/Toadstool also works together with Mario to save Luigi, Yoshi and the other cave people from being turned to chickadyles.
They needed to give her a bigger role. The whole damsel in distress line works in the games because the Mario series typically has paper thin plots and focuses more on gameplay than story. ‘Yeah go rescue Peach whatever’. That doesn’t translate to a movie. You need to have character, development, proper personalities you can latch onto. The people who play Mario games aren’t playing them to get invested into the deep lore of the characters, they play it for the game. But with movies; you want to be invested in those things because the viewer isn’t in control. They’re watching; not playing, so you need another way of connecting with them which comes down to making things entertaining and characters likeable
I also don't like how mario and peach design looks in the movie Mario's mouth is not showing and his eyes are too close to each other it suppose to be separated like in the games and shows and his neck is showing wich is wierd
I started kinda becoming a Mario fan when I watched my friends played Mario DS for the first time, and then the Princess Peach games, the latter left a really good impression on me, as she is not what she seems despite how many times the Princess has been kidnapped so many times (why keep getting yourself kidnapped when you are strong enough to beat the enemies up???) I just recently finished the movie thanks to my partner finding it on the internet, and her parkour scene left me wowed, running in heels, and the dress's physics and the fluidity, is a nice change. She definitely has her own vulnerabilities as she had to at the end needed a bit of help ;P other than that, she is nice, much like her 3D world counterpart (and her games lol)
@@SONICSTA also unlike the modern 'girlboss' she did say she failed a lot for the course she did the parkour in, and as someone who cussed so loud during my mario galaxy playthrough in the dorms, yeahhhh failure happens to a lot of ppl, not just men, but women too lol I like that she admitted it that it took her ages to be able to speedrun through the course lol
It's too early, and vague to tell how be, given all we see is her gearing for fight. If she'll be a captain marvel esque man hating tomboy with side haircut and stuff, then, i'll worry! How about You guys?
I seen a lot of it already and honestly I think her seriousness expressions, mannerisms and everything towards Bowser taking him on her own (besides SPP), and Daisy-like poses and expressions like that in certain scenes just in general threw a lot of us off and I think even still she shouldn’t of been like that and it feels out of character by the way she interacts like that and they might of pushed it a bit much in scenes and that disappoints me, (The Bowser Wedding scene walking towards him looking super serious instead of nervous, saying to Toad she can come with him looking confident, looking confident during the training course, (becoming Princess flashback swinging confidently on the flagpole, SUPER serious about taking down Bowser without any help, putting her hands on her hips, rolling her eyes, etc. so yeah, unfortunately that part to her is a bit of a problem no matter how small it was, it just didn’t look right for her and felt way too much like Daisy for those, and Anya doesn’t help barely fitting the character itself, but besides that, it mostly still feels like her, but to be honest it should of been MUCH bigger… Not sure what her confident smiles and everything were about in the poster’s though, that’s still very out of character and Daisy like too for me……
Who the hell said each incarnation of a character has to be the exact duplicate of previous incarnations? What would be the point? Do you REALLY want every Zelda to be like the Super Mario super show incarnation?
I disagree with you about Princess Peach, because Princess Peach in the Mario movie peach is a Mary Sue girl boss, who has no flaws always perfect at everything and also cause Mario small and says Mario is not important, and she doesn’t have the same, hyper bubbly, sweet, feminine Girly personality, like her game counterpart, and even the comparisons that you did for Princess Peach are different because Princess Peach in the games, even in smash Bros and super princess, peach and all the other games, including the Super Mario adventure, comic princess, peach is always hyper feminine and cute in these comic books, and also has her flaws and also cares about Mario.
The movie version just has Daisy's personality which is a shame because I always loved peach from the games + if they add Daisy in a future movie, what are they gonna do with her? Change her to?
She isn't Peach just from the games; this is Peach as an amalgamation of Peach/Toadstool from various eras of Mario Media. In fact, Daisy was actually more of a Peach character as she was held captive by Tatanga in Super Mario Land.
@@mainstreetsaint36 That's a fun fact, but sorry. It doesn't really change my mind. At the end of the day I'm only a person with a own personal opinion after all.
That what bother me. If daisy appears whit her tomboy personality they gonna say she a peach clone which is nonsense. Then again knowing Nintendo peach may end up being the only Mario girl appearing in these movies.
I feel like everyone is obsessing over her going from damsel in distress to badass girl boss. I want this to be made clear, how many times you get kidnapped isn't a personality trait. How good you are at fighting also isn't a personality trait. So Peach can have whatever qualities she wants and still be either a damsel or fighter. Saying "because she can fight she must be (insert personality trait)" when in reality a certain skill/hobby doesn't dictate what kind of personality you have. Example: you could say all artists are creative, but creative how? They're different ppl, obviously, so they're bond to create differently and have different reasons for creating. Ultimately, being good at art doesn't mean you have fixed set of traits. Same with fighting. Now on to the problem, does Peach's personality really need to change in order for her to be a competent ruler? Well no, it doesn't. Would it have been weird to see a ruler constantly talking about sunshines and sparkles and pink cakes in the middle of a war? Well, yeah sorta. However, they could have made her a stern leader AND kept her personality without making it weird. All they had to do was change her body language. The way she side eyed Mario, walked, talked, and even picked up her weapon made her come across as a more tough, tomboy type of person when it wasn't needed. It was simply too sharp for someone as soft as Peach. I haven't watched the movie, but I've heard about it. I truly hope the things ppl are saying about it are true, that Peach is still her sweet and feminine self, just a little more serious due to the war. Although, many of the arguments used to support this were how her dress is pink...... which only means something if Peach actually acts like a sweet and girly person, because sorry to break it to ya, a dress is not a personality trait either. I'm hoping I can watch it soon and find out for myself just how Peachy she is. (p.s sorry if this was long).
I think the reason behind the outrage is because the feeling of beloved/otherwise established characters being betrayed is very real. Character integrity is very important to a lot of people, including myself. Princess Peach has been portrayed so inconsistently that her true character was unable to shine most of the time, that her weaker side has been seen as commonplace. Her low screen time is why her stronger side has no room until she takes up a much bigger role, such as in 3D World, Super Princess Peach, and even the comics which I never personally read. Princess/Queen Elincia from the Fire Emblem Tellius Duology is far more consistently represented, as her character clearly develops over both games whilst retaining her personality. Overall, STA did a great job tackling this argument, and I agree with his conclusion: Peach is not ruined by the Mario Movie, which I haven't even watched knowing it just came out yesterday.
