Yeah look at the prices for the Bronco Sport models! Great smaller options for a 4x4 but bigger prices. Would love to see a Ranger based mini SUV with all wheel drive
Sales guy told my wife & I that spending $20-25K more for such SUV will also cost us $10K more in fuel and more for tires and insurance, raising the CPM or cost per mile to double or triple that of the Corolla Hybrid.
I didn’t buy another Toyota because I hated the dealership experience, went to two and avoided the other two as they were still doing mark ups. They talk like they have hot shit when they don’t. Got a Mazda CX 50 instead of a Highlander of even a Camry, and they respected us. That matters to me. Our 4Runner was amazing but overkill for what we used it for. I truly hope your dealership respects its customers.
I helped build those in the factory.....I would not buy anything from that factory 😅 they only hire kids or people too stupid to not unionize and they treated us like dogs, so I quit (was in Alabama) they only built the CX-50 and Corolla Cross I believe it was there....but I only helped build the CX-50....they were much nicer than the Toyota we were building there
I completely agree with your statement in 2019 I was trying to get the new rav 4 hybrid the Toyota dealer treated me very bad they never let me drive one unless I buy it. So I decided to to go to Lexus dealer they treated me really good so I ended up getting the nx300h
Damm, what happened to ur green colored background, Mr Guru Little 7000 lol? Anyways, I prefer the 4runner due to the rolling rear window, cheaper cost, updated technology, and a hybrid as an optional, although I hope they throw the manual and isodynamic seats in later on to further differentiate the prado and the 4runner
@@normanli7085Yeah I like the 4Runner too and I definitely think the rear rolling windows are a cool feature. I decided to change my profile because it’s a new season and blue seemed appropriate for spring.😂I’ll revert it back sometime.
@mrgurulittle7000 Mmm, got it. But in regards to the previous gen 4runner and Prado, I agree. I still have a soft spot for the Lexus version as that buttery smooth v8, overall exterior design, the eventual good enough 10.3-inch touchscreen (though they should have given it that during the refresh in 2020 just like the 4runner got it) and the red interior. And I wouldn't mind the pop out glass even though roll down is better, haha
@gunsmokezz Lexus does offer it. What are you talking about, lol? The lexus vehicles are based on the toyota ones, although the gx debuted before the 250 series prado
Do you have 45k ------ 55k ------- 65k thats how you decide which one to get!!!! They are all great and pretty much the same car in different trims made in the same FACTORY IN JAPAN! I'm loving that 45k pricetag for a 4Runner best value car you can buy right now.
I’ve gone through the permutations too. I don’t mind cloth seats, but I believe the 1958 version is a bit plasticky overall. Door cards and stuff. And I hate a blatantly small screen with large surroundings to remind you daily what you could have had. I’d go with the middle grade LC. Would miss the 3rd rows, but the next step up to Lexus is pretty steep.
@Rapido20 Exactly. We get what we pay extra. Land Cruiser does not have 3rd seat, the engine is 4 cylinder hybrid max, and the comfort and driving experience not quite matching with Lexus. This Land Cruiser is fake. It is not real Land Cruiser ( 300 series ) I want. Lexus GX550 is a better option ,overall.
The Land Cruiser is for people who like the boxy and smooth, retro look while the 4Runner is for people who want a busy look with all the edges and curves and tough looking vehicle
LC has iconic face and hybrid "full-time 4wd", so it means most multi purposeful and capable suv. Maybe this is gonna be the new soccer mom car of upper mid family instead of GX460....
You know what I hate Toyota the most? They are not increasing numbers of making popular cars like sienna, Prius, instead of making a lot of crowns which they made a lot in inventory but nobody interested. Does Toyota really listen their customers voice? I really doubt about it? And moreover,Just like you mentioned that They also overlap a lot of similar cars.
I second for that cuz both platinum and capstone is not necessarily. If people want more features it can simple adding into limited. Where I lived, I rarely see both platinum and capstone on the road….
Me too. I was telling my wife, they should have made the 4Runner smaller and reduced the price to make it sufficiently different from the land cruiser. Wii can't even get more than 3 colors on the 1958, huge miss for me.
The issue is that real Landcruiser is not being offered in the USA, the LC 300. The Prado (LC 250) was always basically the 4Runner for the rest of the world. To offer both the 4Runner and the Prado in the USA does not really make any sense. In Australia, you can get a base model 300 series with cloth seats. . .
@@faheemabbas3965as per the Mike Sweers who was the Chief Engineer on the Sequoia, they wouldn’t have a competitor to the Tahoe, Expedition, etc. and the LC300 as well as any other of the Toyota SUVs aren’t big enough to compete, even with the complications of the Sequoia.
I was just looking closely at my 2012 FJ Cruiser TT. I haven’t taken it off road but maybe 6 times. However, it is very scratched from limbs and some dents from rocks and trees. If I spent $50-$85 K for a very nice vehicle. I don’t think I could bring myself to take it where it could go. I’m looking for an older cheaper vehicle now to use for true technical stuff. Maybe that is just me.
Cars are getting way too expensive. What needs to happen is people need to stop paying these prices until companies realize they’ve priced themselves out of the market.
Cars these days need to meet much stricter regulations, it's very complicated and expensive to meet emission and safety requirements these days where every knee has to have an airbag etc. I don't think car prices are coming down until maybe some cheaper EV battery tech comes out.
@@omnimoeish EV's are never going to be the mainstream. It's wishful thinking to think this. They will have a place in the market but Hybrids and Hydrogen/Alt Fuel vehicles are where it's going to be. And Your point about stricter regulations making cars more expensive is kinda moot when Toyota can make hybrids cheaper than Naturally aspirated and make more profit off of the hybrids. The problem is, everyone thinks they CAN charge up to $40k for a corolla, and people willingly pay it. If they stopped and only bought used for a few years Toyota and other manufacturers (who are all guilty of this mind you) will get the hint.
Everyone says it’s stupid there’s so much overlap I think Toyota has thought this through and they’re going to sell a shitload of all of these. And it’s very easy to option a 4Runner and end up saying “gee I’m almost at LC price maybe I’ll just get that” and same with a well optioned LC it’s easy to justify a jump to the GX. Also while 4Runner and LC are so close in size, styling wise they are so different some people are going to prefer one or the other. The vehicle that makes no sense is the Sequoia, no point to such a large expensive SUV with so little usable space. GX renders the Sequoia pointless. It looks good but just doesn’t have enough space to justify.
Kirk. I have to agree with you that the best value proposition is the "base" Land Cruiser. But honestly, its WAY WAY to much money! Because dealerships will have markups. I'll take a fully sufficient CX-50 to meet my needs please. 😮
@@islandhopper100 I never said I am buying, currently own a 2017 Hilux which is fully paid off. If buying another vehicle is mainly based on affordability, reliability and resale value. Test drove the First Edition recently and if I am to buy another car, it would be that given my current needs 😁
Michael's Toyota helped me pick the 2022 Corolla Hybrid as the best option for our income, no kids, commuter, practicality, fuel economy, reliability, low operating cost, easier to park, long range per fill-up, and plenty of space inside as a 4 door with trunk. I kitted out the truck with 4 inch thick foam, an electric blanket, battery inverter river 2 to power the bracket, a thick fuzzy black queen sized blanket and camping pillow. I am 5 ft 11in tall and 165lbs and 40 years old and able to crawl into the trunk via the folding rear seat and use the fuzzy blanket to block out the light and leave my legs and feet dangling over the folder rear seat into the cabin while my torso and head and arms are floating on the memory foam e-blanket and fuzzy blanket pillow kit and take 10-40 min naps to refresh on the go and works fine. Commuting to work smooth I can get over 50 MPG and hypermiling over 70 MPG, so it bests even my wife's 3rd gen Prius in terms of fuel economy. I also love the design of the E210 Corolla :)
this was a really good overview survey to understand the 3 model platforms BUT as someone who doesn't particularly care about the Land Cruiser heritage, I will take my own advice, thanks
Lexus gx is beautiful but not that great on gas and with prices edging to $4 gallon now that hurts. Good pillow fight here though between 4Runner, GX and also for me the x5. Going to be a fun fall season test driving all and crunching numbers. Also have to wait for interest rates to come down so maybe I’ll hold off for 2025/26 models. Let’s them work kinks out too.
Here in California, premium gas is over $6/gallon so I'm waiting for the GX hybrid to be released. I have a 2023 RX hybrid and it seems like a no brainer to go with hybrid these days, so quiet and smooth and cheap to drive. Also the higher watt AC outlets in the hybrids are nice.
@@omnimoeish California, OUCH! Agree with you on the hybrid. Old saying, when the manufacturers come out with more and more products the consumer wins. We shall certainly see once these hit the showrooms.
Great analysis Kirk! I thought the Trailhunter was a level above the trd pro given the more add on items. I really see both of those models above $60k. Next off-road specific model is the GX overtrail at $69k but will miss some of the luxury features until you jump even higher for the +
if the Lexus had the same hybrid engine as the tundra, this decision would be a lot easier to make, but I think I'll stick with the overtrail as my choice. Who could be mad at a Toyota v6 turbo.
I put a deposit down on a trd pro but starting to like the LC more and more, I just wish they would an offroad oriented version of LC, similar to overtrail. I think some AT tires and possibly a mild lift on LC would do just fine
The big pro on the GX is that twin turbo V6. Thats huge. Plus it's Alexis and everything that goes along with dealing with those dealerships it's superior curious as to what the MPG's are for the LC iForceMax
I have a 5500 lb. travel trailer I want to tow out west. Seems like the only choice for me is the GX550 Overtrail base. I'll be able to tow the trailer out there from the east coast, and when not towing - go off-roading a night or two. Agreed?
I think the transmission offerings are also important to compare and contrast in this discussion. Only GX gets 10 speed automatic. Which leads to 9000 lbs of towing.
Only the Overtrail series get that much towing, they must have enhanced transmission cooling and other improvements for towing. The others are around 7600 lbs (?)
One of these three will be my next truck. Liking the overtrail the most followed by the LC. I agree with you, the high end 4Runner models are too teenager for me. I don’t like the camo seats and every year they add more TRD badging.
New 4runner look like the new Tacoma kinda sad and Land Cruiser only come with hybrid I hate and GX price is high but v6 twin turbo I loved but still the price is high hmm its gona be a long decision for me
T HE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR: IS RELIABILTY- the question is which engine will live up to Japan's unsurpassable & legendary reputation of making the longest lasting engines ever made.
With the new Tacoma.... toyata's scaleability on one platform... is just....crazy.... but the most important thing is not these trucks... it's the current interest rate.... and dealer markups... I was offered near 10k discount on 2023 lexus GX460 at a special 2% rate... no matter how toyota and lexus have good resale values ... it maybe better to wait a year or two until the rates come down and the new demand for next hot thing winds down... Ford broncos are now selling at MSRP or lower nowadays...
Don't know if the budget compact cars from Suzuki-Toyota partnership will ever reach America or if there is demand for them: Suzuki-Toyota Celerio - Vitz Baleno - Starlet Ertiga - Rumion Vitara Brezza - Urban Cruiser Grand Vitara - Urban Cruiser Hyryder (Toyota built) Fronx - Urban Cruiser Taisor Ciaz - Belta There is no Toyota Jimny because Suzuki declined to rebadge their icon...
Kirk can you do an update to this video, when and if you get actual pricing on the 4 runner? Our local Toyota dealer is saying a year plus wait on the 4 Runners. And post embargo on all of your impressions. Maybe after you get each to drive at home? Love your channel!
Instead of a foregone conclusion, I think the verdict needs to be withheld until test driving the 4Runner Platinum. Expecting it to be $65K. Good grief, one cannot even get power running boards on any variant of the Land Cruiser, only on the Lexus GX550 Luxury+, but the DO come on the 4R Platinum.
I agree with Kirk's conclusions... in _theory_ ... *however* in terms of real world _availability_ ... (and Kirk being an experienced Lexus salesperson may or may not agree with me) don't you think it's highly unlikely for Lexus dealers to sell stripped down base models? I think Lexus dealers tend to load up their vehicles with expensive option packages. So that means the base model GX is kind of a mythical creature. I would also think a similar thing is going to happen with the new Land Cruiser. Being as the previous Land Cruiser had a much higher point of entry, I think Toyota dealers aren't going to want to sell stripped down base model Land Cruisers. So that leaves the 4Runner as the only "affordable" option. And I think it will be much easier to find low spec 4Runners (not immediately of course, but eventually) than it will be to find stripper base model Land Cruisers and Lexus GXs on dealer lots. So there goes your price overlap... right out the window (sticker)! 😺
IMHO opportunity lost on a three row GX Overtrail. Other markets get the turbo diesel Land Cruiser with the three rows due to a lack of hybrid battery in the cargo floor. They could have done the same with the GX Overtrail but for some reason decided not to. Instead the only option for a three row off-roader is the Sequoia.
Kirk, I’m going to use my 3rd row because of two kids. Out of land cruiser and this 4Runner which one you would recommend ? My eyes are on the limited 4Runner tho
Out of the 3, all using the same wheelbase, I would go with the Lexus GX, just because of the V6 turbo, the LC cost with an I4 turbo hybrid seems a little high, no price or fuel info on the new-gen 4Runner (so, there's that)
They made the 4Runner as long as the Landcruiser. Same 2.4 turbo engine option. Both have front IFS and rear solid axle. Very similar interiors. I dont get it.... Take one of them. Cut the body and the price both in half. Please and thank you.
Get rid of the Sequoia and give us the LC300! The biggest issue here is there is no top end. The Prado and the 4Runner are skewed toward the low end. The 4Runner in my opinion should have been more barebones, rugged, plastic interior, very off road oriented, removable top, more like an FJ Cruiser
Seriously. 😂 Also, I don’t see the point of having a saturated suv lineup like this. I don’t see the point of the Land Cruiser now that the 4Runner is here. They both use the same powertrains depending on which trim. I understand the GX because it’s a luxury off-roader with a twin turbo v6. I have a feeling they’ll axe the sequoia. I rarely see those around on the road and they’re piling up in dealerships. No one wants to pay that money for a large Toyota suv with a bad cargo area. All of these vehicles are way overpriced
I REALLY liked how the 4Runner TRD pro looked. However, I would have to wait until November to jump into a new one. That practically leaves me with either the Land Cruiser (Land Cruiser) or the GX550 premium plus. Which equipped how I want, are the same price. I don’t really need the third row and just leaves me with the decision of either spending more on fuel for the Lexus badge or an over priced Toyota. Decisions, decisions. 😅
Hey hey now! I see in your video here the first LC 250 LC Trim with LC Trim headlights, in Trail Dust. Awesome!!! @kirk ( strong Hawaiian shirt game ) you've seen Trail Dust in person. Is it yellow? Yellowish? I'm hoping yes. I agree with you in the Base 1958 but did you know only 3 colors?!?
6th Gen 4Runner TRD Pro for me. I think Toyota did the best design job out of all three of these. The new LC reminds me of the Jeep compass from the rear. I am also not a fan of the huge diaper the LC and 550 wear… lastly the interior of the LC already looks dated (and why the GIANT radio dial? … so random) with that said they are all great vehicles… just designed for different tastes and budgets. 🚙
all great choices. i dont think you could go wrong with either one. GX may be the one that’s more available imo since both the 4Runner and Land Cruiser have more recognizable branding.
I prefer the exterior looks of the 4Runner, but I prefer the interior of the Land Cruiser. The Lexus remains the best pick of the litter if you can afford it.
For me it's do I get the Platinum 4Runner or the LC Land Cruiser. I want full-time 4wd and premium features. I do not want 22" rims though. I still want to be able to take this places that mall crawlers can't go. You know... when I'm not at the mall or the grocery store... I honestly am confused by the Platinum trim. I feel like why would anyone by a 1958 when there's a platinum. They have made some trim/price choices that are confusing to me, but also I love having all the choices.
well crap... I just got to the part of your video where you talk about the difference between the 4runner and LC interior (space, materials, etc). Guess I'm goin with the LC Land Cruiser. Thanks Kirk! BTW I had a 2016 4Runner and besides the Model Y I have now, it was my favorite of all the cars I've ever had. But I've always loved the Land Cruiser and I think now's my time to get one! My local dealerships should have LCs on the floor in the next week or two so I'm going to check them out.
Toyota is fighting with itself for market share. Splitting their inventory into smaller segments instead of offering one model with lots of options to make it individual. Low inventory levels so they can jack up the prices...
The comparison is not quite right btw a 4Runner that has sway bar disconnect and the Land Cruiser 1958 that does not have it. One needs to go to the LC LC to have it. So off-roading goes down when shifting to a LC 1958, which is weird to have to say.
For customers who are confused when choosing a 4Runner and a Land Crusier, and love both so much that it’s so hard to decide, just get whatever is available. If both, get the nicer of the bunch.
