Awesome work Tommy! Great comparison for the two trucks and most of all, I feel confident that you are the new replacement for Clarkson's wonderful snark in car reviews. So does this mean that Nathan is the new "Captain Slow" but without all the hair?
It would be cool to see Tommy and the crew do a long range mission. See how they react to the chaos that ensues. It would be expensive. They would might need film licensing from other states, drone footage, Car support, fuel expenses etc.
Dude. You're outside your mind. Chad will never eclipse the 'JC'. PLUS...JC never had to hide the truth to stay in the good graces of manufacturers. Like Chad (and his father) does.
The “useless cubby” on the LR3 is actually a cup holder. Just push it, and will pop out. My LR3, also have the fridge under the armrest, the screen on the center, a flat back seat floor and the rear seats air conditioner with the head vents and vents for the third row. Also in the LR3 you can configure the remote control to lower the air suspension in one button, so loading cargo is easy. As you imagine, the back of two back seat is black on mine. Old LR3s are much tougher than the new ones. His only problem is the weakness of the suspension of the air bags. For me the LR4 is the last truly Land Rover Discovery. Actually for me, nowadays Land Rover is producing only one model, just in different sizes. Old model all day long.
The downside of the remote being programmed with the air suspension is you have to turn on the hazards. Also, it appears their 2nd row seats dont fold forward.
@@krover01 there is always one of you guys isn't there? I think the D3/ lr3 D4/lr4 Facebook page would like to disagree with you on that the DII was the last discovery.
@@jackprick9797 I think I didn't convet what I was saying correctly. In my 06 LR3 it came factory with 7 seats. In the video they only show the back of the 2nd row seat going forward. In mine is goes flat then there's a handle on the bottom corner where it disconnects the rear of the seat allowing it to pivot on the front of the seat allowing it to flip forward for easier access into the 3rd row.
I drove one of the new ones on a purpose built course, it just felt a bit wrong and too automatic. Very capable though. Oh and I don't like the back seats, they're too low so your knees are right up.
I love the LR4. Ive been shopping for a new vehicle and keep looking at the 2016 LR4 but I keep getting slightly worried about reliability so I look at the Discovery Sports because I never hear anything about reliability issues. Plus you can get newer Discovery Sports with a lot less miles for the same price or even cheaper than an older LR4 with a substantial amount of miles
I had Discovery3, HSE ,followed by a Range Rover Sport HSE, now the last of the Discovery 4 STDV 6 HSE all diesels, but by far my all time favourite is the Disco 3 followed by the Disco 4. This one is a keeper. All the new ones have lost their personality they blend with the current so called modern roundness, it is a pity.
When you see them side by side it`s quite shocking what happened to the Discovery. The older looks way better than the new one, which now looks similar to a lot of other SUVs.
I own both these SUVs. I drive the LR3 and my wife has the Disco 5. Love them both. The tech in the new car is great and the old car even at 14 years old, is confidence inspiring to drive.
I've had a Disco 5. 3.0 SDV6 HSE spec. It's not like riding in a previous discovery. The driving position is shit. It feels like a regular car that grew out of proportion. The interior is basically a cut and paste from the range rover it doesnt have that distinct feel to it. Even uses the same steering wheel. Cant fault the ride and comfort but aesthetically... and the driving position it just didnt do it for me. When the lease was up I refused to have another. So I bought a facelifted "LR4" or discovery 4. And I'm much happier with that in every conceivable way. And the rear load space I dont care what they say is much better on the disco 4 than the disco 5. I'm sorry to say that the disco 5 really isnt an improvement over its predecessor. Having had both, this is my personal feelings.
I have both a disco 3 and a 5. I wish they didn't b*stardize the car but they've even done the same with the Range Rover. The Disco 5 is almost exactly the same car as the Range Rover L405, neither feel much like a landrover anymore and Tata's quality control is terrible. Sit in a L322 Range and the new L405 you can feel the difference, one feels very English, it sits up high, huge windows, etc and the other feels like any other luxury SUV. The problem is the LR3/4 is an old car now and Rovers do not hold up well, the cost to repair is prohibitive and for certain things rover really made it difficult to fix them.
I have had my Disco3 HSE for 11 years now and it has done 320.000 km. Bought it second hand with 60k km on the clock. I have all the extras and I have done all repairs by myself in the driveway - it has only been touched by me! I love it - it no spacecraft, but it is such a nice car to drive with the air suspension. It takes a good amount of taking care, but if you can work it yourself you will be a very happy driver. It has my best recommendations - and I really have a hard time seeing myself in the much smaller new version - I need some space :-)
@@beerbeforebreakfast Glad to hear I'm not alone out here :-) But I think we need to point out that these lovely LR's need a fair amount of looking after to work properly. Every time I have something breaking I fix it asap - you don't want the faults to build up on a massive technical car like the LR3 HSE. Last year I build in wireless network and AirPlay - much easier than the cable fixed to the AUX input :-) disco3.co.uk is the source of many tips and tricks :-)
@@johanhghsrensen7523 your not kidding. There are more feature and more tech with engine and everywhere thus more fixes needed just by the math. But it is great for training if you are a mild mechanic, the difficulty of some repairs can elevate your skill to a new level and i appreciate that, especially since its on a low cost vehicle since they depreciate quickly, making abuying a used one ideal for: an offroading, camping, mild mechanic, luxuries loving, needing a classy car for regular life, lower budget, higher use, husky owning, Land Rover fan club members(not official), working class drywall and painter family!
I've had my Disco 3 / LR3 for 10 years. It's a 2005 one, with nearly 140000 miles on the clock. I wouldn't swap it for the Disco 5, mainly because I just do not like the newer vehicle's design. No doubt the 5 is very cable, but probably no more so than the 3. Much, I think, depends on what you want from your 4x4. If you're after a 4x4 that you can show off in town with on the way to get the weekly shopping, then the 5 might be the ticket, but when I bought my Disco 3, it was all about packing in the family (all 6 of us), and the dog, as well lots and lots of camping gear, and heading off somewhere. It needed to be rugged inside as well as out, because it didn't take long to get covered in mud. Easy wipe down was a must. Trips out in the 3 when my children were young, really were a voyage of discovery. Yes, I've spent thousands in those last 10 years keeping the car going, but a lot of things can be fixed at home without the need of a specialist. I bet the same cannot be said for the 5. I'll be sticking with my Disco 3, either until the end of its days, or the end of mine. And before too long, I'll be taking the grandchildren on camping trips in it, off looking for new adventures, as the cycle begins again.
FYI, over here in the UK, the Volume Knob is on the other side (left) in all JLR cars. Basically, it’s for the passenger to use (as the driver has volume controls on the Steering Wheel). So, it’s on the right for the passenger for you guys
My family had the '06 LR3 HSE on a lease, then we leased the '08 LR3 HSE & ended up buying it out that LR3. We've had it since 2008 & it now has over 110k miles
Land Rover needs to remember their roots. Modern day disco is catered too much to the suburban mom. That’s what the Range Rover is for. Even the new defender looks castrated.
Agree with everything you say except for the bit about the Rangey. As you can probably see with my avatar thing, my Range Rover P38 is 100% an Off Roader. The new defender is just a "squared off" new discovery.
Barry Richards that’s the “og” range. I’m sure it handles it self well in the rough stuff. I was talking about their newer stuff. Checked out a couple of your vids. Props to you man looks like you get after it!
Exactly, i still drive a real one that work's all week & still go out & have fun in on weekend's and it's 55yrs old, doubt if the electronic's alone in the new one would last a 10th of that time, plus the fact i think it look's bloody ugly.
Dakota Winnie do you I couldn’t think of what it looked like , yep your ban on a Saab , I wouldn’t buy a new Land Rover disco infact the only Land Rover I’d buy would be the MK 1 Range Rover 3.5 v8 with over drive best out out of the lot , I have Daihatsu and a Isuzu far better trucks
Look Tommy, I just bought a 2020 Discovery and didn’t think I would like it as much as I do. I absolutely love this car and the ZF 8 speed is the best in the business. This thing even warns you of red light cameras. Fun fact, it tows 8200 lbs. Out of all the cars I’ve owned this car has the best headlights of the all and it even has REAR FOG LAMPs for safety. I have always talked down about this brand but this Discovery feels very upscale and tight.
The LR3 is exactly what a Land Rover should look like. It seems, to me at least, that Land Rover gave in to the masses to build car-like vehicles. This LR3 is a prime example of what Land Rover is and once was.
Great videos guys, as a lr3 owner i love it, unfortunately the newest model is more like marketing dept choice than the constructors. Comparation between the previous and successive models will be more plausible. As you know latest lr4 is more luxurious than the earliest.
@@theBnoJ I agree, at least on paper, it looks more capable. Never the less I think it would be of great interest to see how the electronic nannies fair vs an old school approach.
Some factual errors: The LR3 did not have “well over 300hp.” In fact, it had exactly 300. Not all LR3’s came with sunroofs. The rear climate control came with the 3rd seat option. The LR3 was not the first Land Rover to have a fully independent air suspension system. That would be the 2003 Range Rover.
Tyler, I’ve had several of these trucks, and have probably seen hundreds while searching the market, etc. I’ve never seen an LR3-4 without a full glass roof. I had no idea this was even optional. Do you know if this was optional for US spec? Interesting. Thanks.
@@willblankenship2826 - Base LR3 models did not even have fog lights, nor an auto dimming mirror, nor a sunroof. Here is one I found on AutoTrader, a 2006, which from the photos clearly does not have sunroofs, despite having rear climate control (thanks to the third seat). www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=540395415&zip=03743&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D03743%26startYear%3D2005%26vehicleStyleCodes%3DSUVCROSS%26incremental%3Dall%26endYear%3D2008%26modelCodeList%3DLR3%26makeCodeList%3DROV%26sortBy%3Drelevance%26engineCodes%3D6CLDR%26firstRecord%3D0%26marketExtension%3Dinclude%26searchRadius%3D0%26isNewSearch%3Dtrue&startYear=2005&numRecords=25&vehicleStyleCodes=SUVCROSS&firstRecord=0&endYear=2008&modelCodeList=LR3&makeCodeList=ROV&searchRadius=0&makeCode1=ROV&modelCode1=LR3&clickType=listing
@@willblankenship2826 Definitely an option. It was/is called the "alpine roof". In my search for for an HD lr3 I tried and tried to find one that was not HSE to avoid the glass roof but couldn't find one. I did find lots of SE that had a standard roof but no HD package.
Zachary Solomon - actually, there were three trims when the LR3 came out. V6 SE, V8 SE, and V8 HSE. That makes Tommy’s “mid trim.” I noticed his actually has the optional higher end Harmon-Kardon sound system that came standard on HSE.
@@tylermacconnell217 yeah you're right I forgot the v6 and v8 SE were different trims. Yes he does have the high end speaker just like my SE. Although there were three versions base non harmon then a harmon with 240w system which has no center speaker or 3rd row speakers Then you had the fancy harmon used on forgot what the amp is called but I do know after replacing many, many fibre optics tgat it uses fibre optic instead of conventional wires. Also, normally at shops we just differentuate lr3 from the wording instead if engine so SE, HSE, HSE Lux though you are correct in that the SE is split between engines. I also agree that from I saw he does have the highest end radio because he had the 3rd row radio control. Although I'm surprised his doesn't have the cold climate package that a ton of lr3 have. Edit: I remember what the radio were called it was low line, then harmon kardon, the premium audio HK with logic 7.
I hope you guys always have a Rover in the fleet, pretty much the only channel that shows these are not nearly as crap as everyone likes to think they are. Thanks for showing one of my favorite brands some love
He says neither 3rd row is great, but the 3rd row in our LR4 is great. It fits adults no problem and you still have some room for bags. Unless you are wanting to go with something like a Suburban, this was the best 3rd row we found when we were shopping. Boxy shape gives lots more usable space.
The aux port is actually super convenient in todays time. In the LR3 and the LR2 you can put an FM transmitter right next to it but out of the way of the drivers cig lighter and run a tiny aux chord right into it. Boom, not transmitting over radio waves, just straight up Bluetooth.
Also! On your new LR3 that doesn’t have an aux jack, I’d check behind the panel. A lot of land rovers of this era have all the options installed like heated seats and the like, they just didn’t install the switches and pretended it was a whole ordeal to install those features.
I'm with you on the styling of the old Discovery 3/LR3. I owned a Disco 3 and followed that with two Disco 4s before going for a Range Rover Sport at the last change because I didn't like the look of the Disco 5. However, as a second car, I have now bought a 2006 Discovery 3 for £5,000 and I'm loving it. In the UK, we got the rather asthmatic 2.7 litre V6 turbo diesel or, as an option, the same V8 that you have, but that was dropped before the Discovery 4, when the beefed up the TD engine to twin turbos and 3 litres. A couple of points about your review. You didn't mention that, with both the second and third row seats folded in the Disco 3, you get a completely flat floor which is about 6ft 6ins from the back of the front seats to the tailgate - great for sleeping in if your off on a trail - try that with a modern Discovery. The notched tailgate was designed to allow you to reach further on the right when the lower tailgate was down, but it's a lot easier to raise the third row seats with the tailgate up. Something that the turbo-diesel versions had that the gas versions didn't, was an auxiliary fuel burning heater, which was used to help heat the engine quicker, especially in cold climates, but it had the option of a remote park heating function, so you could operate it with a remote from the comfort of your house, and it would heat the engine and heating water system, had a separate electric water pump, and could circulate air in the passenger space. You say there was a lot of plastic in the old Discovery, but you failed to mention all the leather that was around, although there was a lot more in the HSE variant. The new one still has quite a bit of plastic as do most cars. Finally, that volume control being away from the driver (in the Discovery 5) is on the other side in the UK. It's really meant for the passenger, as the driver can control the volume from the steering wheel buttons. Thanks for the great review.
It took me a while to accept the D3 & D4, Compact Tonka Toy looks were a big wow from the outset but the sophisticated electronics, Airbag suspension and seemingly unnecessary level of automation were apparently taking away the rugged reliability of the older beam axle ancestors. Now I think it looks great, I accept carrying a diagnostic tool and airbags and pump etc are now considered a service item. Improved reliability would be great but there really is nothing like it, it is still miles ahead of the competition in every area other than reliability, damn Land Rover I love them, their ingenuity-but dream about them having Land Cruiser reliability and an optional simple ECU free hose out model.❤
The old LR3 has better interior space and is better suited to off road driving. It is also better looking. Terrain Response is a 100% gimmick that won’t get you anywhere just “driving” the vehicle would do. The new vehicle has a much nicer interior, but lacks the ruggedness of the older vehicle.
Nice video, Tommy. I appreciate the walk through of both. I have an ‘07 LR3 with the factory installed third row seating. I’m not sure if your LR3 with the converted third row seating has this but in mine, the middle row of seats actually flip forward to allow access to the third row of seats. If I recall, once the middle row of seats is folding down, there should be a latch on the back of the seat, near the bottom. This allows the passenger in the third row to release the seat so they can get out. Again, I’m not sure yours will have that latch but on LR3’s with the factory installed third row, they will. Also, at 8:20, that is a cup holder. If the holder is functioning, just press in the bottom part and the cup holder should pop out. Hope this helps!
Aside from not having an off-road test, you knocked it out on this one. Clearly you are getting a lot more comfortable in front of the camera and you've really started to develop a great on-camera persona - educational but also funny. Keep up the great work. I've been following all your LR3 videos and ultimately ended up testing and driving both the LR3 and LR4 and then bought a 2013 LR4. Love it. I traded in a 2018 4Runner TRD Off Road Premium and the LR4 is better in almost every regard as a split purpose vehicle. Just completed an 1800 mile desert trip in it and it was fantastic.
I own an LR3 V8 HSE here in Qatar and while it's now 12 years old, or at least 50% of it is with the rest (air suspension struts, several A/C compressor and evaporators, water pump, radiator, numerous coil packs, sensors, leads and hoses, etc, etc) from 2016 to 2020, I refuse to get rid of the old girl. I have a Ford Expedition and BMW X5 also and while the Ford is rock solid, reliable and never fails or lets us down and the BMW X5 a real mess, its the Landie that will never leave the family until either its engine or transmission drop out of it. Awesome vehicle. Have tried the new Velar and new Range Rover Sport and while gorgeous and desirable, you just get the impression that they are fashion accessories styled like any Japanese/Korean SUV. The LR3/LR4 were the last of the old school Landies.
I live on a farm with long dirt driveway and fields, so I purchased the new 2017 Discovery HSE. It enables me to get around in the snow and bad weather off road in comfort. Most of my driving (97%) is on treated roads, regular streets and highways. So the new discovery's bias towards street driving is perfect for me, with the option of amazing off road capability. The LR3 is too heavy. too slow and drinks gas like a bus. My diesel discovery averages 27mpg, is 800lb lighter and can stop me from getting into an accident. Progress is a good thing!
Great video. I had an ‘08 LR3 SE7. Of the nine Land Rovers I’ve owned, it was the most practical and most reliable. It was no slouch either- felt plenty quick. If only LR had put the 4.2 Supercharged engine in it! Overall, I’d go LR3. But having said that, I’d pick my ‘07 L322 Supercharged over both. It’s amazing.
People said the Discovery 2 was a proper land rover and the discovery 3 looked like a big car when released in 2005.... Now the story repeats with the discovery 5 in 2020
Thanks for your great video! I have to mention that I do have a 2005 LR3 and a 2011 LR4. They both still look relatively new and still function quite well at 215 and 137 miles respectively. This is as I do pay a great deal of attention to maintenance regarding them. My wife drives the 2011 LR4. The LR3 that I drive is quite souped-up with third-party external accessories... including black taillights, a black velvet hood decal, sidebars, a snorkel, window tints, and a rear ladder. We both get compliments on them all the time.
The Disco 5 is a luxury SUV, they’re great for those of us that can’t stretch to a Range Rover. The new Defender is the replacement for the old Discos, for those that want something more utilitarian.
Wow the Rover has all the controls and air ride which is everything my 2000 Lexus 470 lx has just 21 years later. With 21 years of use and over 200000 miles it’s running just fine.
Should have put the lr3 in sport mode that’s when she revs an u can feel the powa, also mine came with a mini fridge inside of the centre console instead of a cubby
Have a discovery 1, 110 and a lr4. I really stopped liking new land rover vehicles after the lr4. It was probably the last old school land rover. Its like land rover hired the same designer for all its new models to save a few dollars. Every single one looks as if its based on the evoque. Which at the time wasn't bad looking, however when every model looks similar i lost interest. When a discovery sport, discovery, evoque, velar, rr sport, and range rover and now the defender all look so similar unless you own a land rover that you likely dont know the difference between a 40k evoque and a 90k range rover, we have an issue. Not to mention, getting rid of the v8 on most models. Land rover has changed from being an off roader pretending to be an suv to an suv pretending to be an off roader, which is a shame. Their last true off roader was probably the lr3 or lr4. Havent drove a new defender so i cannot comment on those however i expect it nots true to its 90, 110 or 130 roots. I feel as if land rover is abandoning its heritage, if you look at a Mercedes G wagon, no matter if its a model from 1980s or a brand new one, its still a g wagon. Same with the jeep wrangler, its instantly recognizable as a wrangler, land rover went the opposite way instead of model recognition theyre going for brand recognition. Which to me is the wrong approach. If i wanted a sleek fuel efficient crossover, id get a Toyota. Not a land rover. Old land rover's stood out, now modern ones just blend in...
My LR3 is lovely and smooth to drive. My mates LR D5 - like driving a Kia, plastic, car, doesn't feel special to drive at all. Its his 2nd , now gone. LR D3, lovely to drive, still feels special after 12 years. Still stands out in a carpark.
I appreciate if u guys could bring up lr4 2016 and the discovery 5 as I love to see the difference plus the all the new updates (I hope u guys take my suggestion)💯😍
We have a 2011 LR4 and a 2017 Discovery. The two greatest benefits of the older model are the V8 engine and the higher roof line which allows us to store two bikes upright. That leaves plenty of room for other storage, and keeps your bikes nice and clean.
Land Rover did not drop the Discovery name because of a bad reputation associated with the name. The old Discovery competed against the Explorer, Grand Cherokee, Land Cruiser in the US. The redesigned LR3 was supposed to be an upgrade to make a modern statement along the likes of the X5, ML 500, GX 470. It was all the rage to have numbers and letters at the time. Europe kept the Discovery name and so Land Rover obviously wasn’t ashamed of the Discovery.
Thanks for putting this together. The LR3/LR4 was a true off road vehicle. My wife still loves and drives her '08 LR3. The new disco...well its nice sure but its trying to compete with the overcrowded "sporty" SUV market. Pass.
Huh, well Discos were originally built for British gentlemen farmers who were as likely to be carrying sheep in the back as children. Then Tata got hold of them and decided that there were more rich middle class mothers in Britain than farmers, hence the latest models - and that ridiculous "Defender" thing they've just launched. The "off road" element in these cars might be effective, but it's just a gimmick.
What is even more worse is that the indians think land rovers were never designed to work offroad! And TATA has already confirmed it to be a luxury car segment ! And whenever an indian sees a series 1,2,3 or a defender ,they think it as jeeps! And the new defender is just horrible ,all because of the millionaires and the some people who think high tech is better ! And yes the ,the discovery was actually meant for classy farm land owners ,especially the Anglos living in Darjeeling ! But sadly the meaning of discovery is vanished ! The old series 1 and 2 were made compact for better offroad handling ,and now ,it is just a soccer mom automobile ! You know one thing,instead i would by the aussie truck known as the ford Everest! It is more solid and reliable than the new disco !
Great review. One thing about the LR3 which is my offroad truck now. It normally seems sluggish even with the V8, but you can move the shifter left to enter sport mode which gives it A LOT more passing power. Not a sport SUV by any means but a great option for getting that extra power you want. The LR3 is a legit off roader and overland vehicle, if you're willing to risk going out with an air suspension. But with the terrain response system and a locking rear diff, it gets me where I need to go off road. Also a pretty good 3rd party market for LR3-specific accessories like racks, swing away tire holders, etc.
I got an LR3 recently. Its amazing. I actually don't live in the city and just drive to the grocery store. We pull a boat etc.. and its unreal. The new Disco looks like a mini Rover and loses its rugged charm.
The shape of the “swoop” of the new Disco isn’t pointing the wrong direction... it’s the same directional shape as the series 1 & 2... the ones that actually had the rear tire mounted to the rear.
We upgraded from the LR4. Love the new tech and tons of front storage. The front cup holder slides for even more. I was in the new defender and super disappointed. It just felt a little cheap.
At 8:20 that is actually a cup holder. Press on the rectangle and the cub holder opens. There’s no shortage of cup holders in an LR3. Two in the dash center console, one on the passenger dash, one in each door front and back, 2 in the rear center console, two in the third row. (And I probably missed a few more)
I own an lr4 and I used to own an lr3 almost identical to the one in the video, I like the new disco but I wouldn’t buy it to off road. The lr3-4 I think are much more timeless and I think the lr4 is the perfect car cause it’s the boxy design with a little more modern amenities. That said the lr3 had some designs I prefer, like the handles around the headrest, and the cool toggle switches for the terrain responds.
