Is the New Springfield Echelon Good?

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Lucas Botkin checks out the new Springfield Echelon. Is it just as good as a Glock? A Glock killer even? Disclaimer: this video was not sponsored by Springfield. We don't do that here.
00:00 Intro
00:33 Glock "Killers"
01:58 Ammo
03:25 Holster Compatibility
07:00 Optic System
09:55 Dot Occlusion
10:45 Bill Drills and Trigger Speed
13:58 Something breaks...
15:42 How Optics Go On
18:45 Target Transition Drill
20:12 Trying The Mags for Reloads
23:05 One Handed
24:02 USPSA Stage
25:22 Trigger Endurance Test
27:01 MOAR RELOADS
27:35 Basic Movement Drill
28:09 Magazine Consideration
29:10 Reign Break
29:44 Ammunition Swap
30:35 USPSA Drill with 147 HP
31:07 Triangle Transition Drill
32:15 5M Instagram Drills
32:23 Mag Problem
35:20 Glock Knuckle Explained
36:00 3 Reload 3... And First Stoppage?
37:28 Last "Test"
38:08 Summary
39:36 So How is The Gun?
42:11 The Fire Control Group Thing
44:31 Closing Thoughts
46:39 Where to Go for Updates
48:25 Oh Crap

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@matthewmaurin9054 5 месяцев назад

People shit talk this gun because it’s Springfield, but if this was a glock Gen 6, people would cream their pants.

@kenstirling5348 5 месяцев назад

Bro so much truth

@HAHA.GoodMeme 5 месяцев назад

Springfield is anti-2A. There is a lot of reason to talk shit. Give your money to a company that supports your rights.

@kayshell66 5 месяцев назад

Glock doesn't have a long track record of being ass. There's things about a Glock that are ass, but if you're a good shooter it doesn't matter. Springfields have been functionally and reliably ass for years. Glocks don't have problems with broken firing pins, springs, and cracked frames. Use your brain.

@bdkj3e 5 месяцев назад

@@kayshell66I've literally never heard about them having an issue with frames cracking, I did a search and could only find about 4 cases and exactly one picture on Google images, I did the same for Glock and found dozens. But I also saw Walther, CZ, H&K, and others. They're all plastic guns, molding plastic is hard and some of them are going to crack no matter what, as long as they warranty it properly.

@kayshell66 5 месяцев назад

@@bdkj3e You should actually click the links to see why they cracked so you can add context to your reasoning. Frames should NEVER (not sometimes) crack under normal use or mild bumps. The broken firing pins and broken springs that I also mentioned are the most dangerous catastrophic failures that XDM’s in particular have suffered from. Combine that with Springfields philosophy as a company and it’s an easy “don’t buy”.

@Puddin127 5 месяцев назад

It’s def the best pistol Springfield has made and the fact that it’s modular like a 320 and doesn’t blow up is pretty neat. Y’all should support this.

@kylex71 5 месяцев назад

Springfield doesn't make them, they import them from Croatia and sell them.

@starscream4282 5 месяцев назад

It’s still Springfield Armory’s weapon platform. It’s not based on the Croatian design. Either way, SA’s weapon.

@sikertsok225 5 месяцев назад

@@starscream4282Bruh, here in Europe these are sold as the HSProdukt Echelon. Everything is the exact same just comes with Euro border compliant mags and doesn't say Springfield Armory anywhere. This is still a product of HSProdukt, just like the 'Hellion' aka HSProdukt VHS-2.

@starscream4282 5 месяцев назад

@@sikertsok225 I understand that brother. I’m just saying the management of SA are the ones who wanted to change the platform due to them losing out on contracts simply because LE and military had no interest in a grip safety on their pistols. They wanted to design a new platform and SA goes over what they want in the new designs. The design credit goes to all involved. The XD platform existed before SA got involved. The Echelon was a collaborative design. I do understand the weapons are made by HS. They make some great quality weapons imo.

@sikertsok225 5 месяцев назад

@@starscream4282 As far as I know it, it's been in the works on the Croat side for 4+ years. They were fucked over for Hungarian, French and Slovakian contracts cause they had a grip safety, so for round 2 of the Hungarian trials they brought 2 prototypes of the Echelon. In the end the CZ P-07/09 family won, but if HSP had a better schedule for delivery, they would have taken the contract easily.

@TacticalConsiderations 5 месяцев назад

I've got a couple thousand through mine now. It's pretty solid. 10k will be the spot to see.

@RenoMay 5 месяцев назад

A gun doesn’t work with a different manufacturer holster????? Woahhhhh

@762x69 5 месяцев назад

Stop it man, he's gonna see you 😂😂

@paintballinfoo 5 месяцев назад

Love this style of video. Raw, funny, interactive, and statistical data. Everything we like all in one, with a little comic relief.

@Roboticdoughbull3k 5 месяцев назад

Act not participate in filling orders from Mr niche and get a complementary screw kit, that's right all of it...dont forget to wear your women's stretch jeans fellas.

@aishefasani5635 5 месяцев назад

Lol oh wow@@Roboticdoughbull3k

@williamle8300 5 месяцев назад

Yes, this is the right tone and style for this kind of video. Easily consumable!

@mercwithamouthpodcast 5 месяцев назад

Funny, haha, that comment is more laughable than the whole video. He should have skipped it and gone to his "board meeting".

@RangeRulerz 3 месяца назад

Exactly! 😂

@veterankasrkin7416 5 месяцев назад

RIP Gaston Glock.

@Goob787 5 месяцев назад

Idk if the gun that good bruh

@thejword72 5 месяцев назад

@@Goob787he actually passed away

@robertwood4855 5 месяцев назад

Cool review bro ...remember when Springfield Armory supported the Firearms Dealer Licensing Act, which imposed additional regulations and fees on gun dealers in Illinois.

@DavidLLambertmobile 4 месяца назад

Glock 🇦🇹 does not "plate" metal mags with polymer. 🤔 Glock OEM lines the mag with metal then puts that in a polymer body.

@DavidLLambertmobile 4 месяца назад

@robertwood4855 yes but as The Yankee Marshal states, S-A did apologize. Also the CEO exec who set that scam up died ⚰️. Rock River Arms never said or did 💩. They could care less about ethics, values, 2A, business, gun owners.

@my8room 5 месяцев назад

Springfield Echelon not fitting into a Glock holster is NOT an issue with the gun. That make literally no sense, regardless of whether the company based it off a Glock or not, it's still not a Glock, and was not intended to be.

@texasforever6950 5 месяцев назад

Lots of pistols fit Glock stuff. It would make sense to at least try if it’s gonna be a Glock with an FCU (which is what it is)

@stealthswim223 5 месяцев назад

Glock is a different company. I wouldn’t expect ps5 games to work in an Xbox, pistols should be viewed the same for holsters.

@kayshell66 5 месяцев назад

The point was there's a lot of guns that aren't Glocks that do fit Glock holsters. Especially Safariland holsters that are essentially gun buckets that accept many guns they're not "made" for. That is a bit of a knock on a gun if it's dimensions are so specific/unique, it can't fit into holsters that a lot of other guns can.

@outoforder6600 5 месяцев назад

@kayshell66 that's not a knock. The gun came out with safariland holsters for it to begin with. It's litterally a non issue

@billdauterive1180 5 месяцев назад

It's like people wanting a "not an AR15" and moaning about being non parts interchangeable with AR's or not taking AR mags, no shit It's not an AR.

@SpyderWebbX 5 месяцев назад

I shoot M&Ps pretty well and have shot the Echelon close to 2K rounds. The Echelon has a short trigger reset, straight trigger, fun to shoot fast. Trigger pull is little bit lighter than a Glock. The thumb ledge actually helps. If you are used to 1911s and M&Ps, one thing you’ll have to remember is to bend your wrist down from the draw when aiming and finding the dot because it has the same Glock grip angle. If you’re used to the Glock grip, then it’s exactly the same for you. I hope Springfield will come out with a grip module with 1911 grip angle. Also, on reloading, usually the slide closes automatically. I usually don’t like that because I have an M&P bodyguard that does that also and sometimes the slide automatically slams shut during a reload but it didn’t actually picked up and load a round in the chamber. On the Echelon, it never failed to load a round in the chamber when slide auto-releases. It doesn’t matter if you only have 1, 3 round or a full mag, if the slide closes on reload, it always picked up a round and chambered it in my experience.

@penilescab 5 месяцев назад

My p365xl does the same thing with the locked back slide cycling itself when putting in a mag. but after lubing it, polishing the feed ramp and breaking in the gun/mags at around 500-1000 rounds, it seems to reliably feed at least

@korvenburns1135 5 месяцев назад

Glock fan boys are annoying 🙄 . They compare everything to a Glock like that’s the only gun out there. “ this rifle doesn’t shoot like my Glock”. Compare the Echelon to the XD, Mod 2, or XDM.

@SpyderWebbX 5 месяцев назад

@@korvenburns1135 In their defense, the Echelon actually shoots and feels like a Glock. The XDs have a higher bore axis, so even pointing and aiming the XD and Echelon is different. The Echelon is what a Glock 17 would be after you send it in to a custom shop.

@hgkar 5 месяцев назад

I agree. It seems to me like the grip angle is slightly different though. For example I don’t like a red dot on my Glock, but the echelon feels more comfortable to me. Maybe ur right and it’s just the undercut or something. I really like the echelon though.

@SpyderWebbX 4 месяца назад

@@BitCuration About 2K rounds, dropping the 20 and 17 round mags on concrete (indoor range), not one problem with the the mags. If you install the mag extender wrong, you sneeze, the mag springs open and goes undone. You install it correctly and the base locks up and won't come apart. Unlike Glock, the Echelon spits out empty mags like an old car cassette player that wants to put a black eye on the rear seat passengers. Mags don't drop out, they get spit out. No need for weighted mag bases. With Glock, some mags sometimes stick and wont easily drop free.

@TexanApollyon 5 месяцев назад

A Glock competitor doesn't mean it's a Glock clone and should fit Glock holsters, that's the dumbest thing to be upset about. Come on Lucas, you're better than that

@djwhiterhino 5 месяцев назад

He really isn't. Dude whines about everything

@laurenceb5516 5 месяцев назад

but he is kinda right but also not

@YTM117 5 месяцев назад

No, he's not right at all lmfao.

@Jockrates 5 месяцев назад

Wouldn’t it be a good idea to fit into the MOST COMMON holsters on the market? Just seems like a good business decision IMO. So many people (me included) are going to be turned off by the fact that the gun will require a new holster or set of holsters, while essentially being the same as my Glock. Take a look at the PSA DAGGER. It’s a Glock clone, with upgrades (stippling, slide cuts, RMR cut) and it fits in Glock holsters AND takes Glock mags. Not saying every gun needs to do that, but a Glock clone clearly can benefit from comparability with existing guns. Logistics are just easier.

@djwhiterhino 5 месяцев назад

@@Jockrates if ya can't afford a 30 dollar holster then don't buy a gun lol

@ethanmitchell3439 5 месяцев назад

My impression of the Echelon is more of a Glock form factor and low bore axis with Sig p320 style FCU. Not necessarily a gen 3 Glock reimagined.

@texasforever6950 5 месяцев назад

This was my impression of it as well. Basically a better P320 (but that’s cause I’m a Sig hater)

@acrienteangelic1862 5 месяцев назад

@@texasforever6950 I mean if it doesn't fire out of battery, break parts often, doesn't have a safety issue, and the frame doesn't just snap from light impacts it's already better than a P320 🤣

@SpyderWebbX 5 месяцев назад

Design a Glock 17 for the world's military and police, with interchangeable backstraps, suppressor height sights and straight trigger like the M&P, form factor and grip angle like the Glock (no need to completely re-train units who already had Glocks), FCU like the Sig (easier for the armorer to fix and upgrade issued sidearms) and make optic mounting universal so that foreign government units don't have to do additional government bidding to purchase 3rd party optic mounting plates from the USA. Glocks and HS Produkt handguns are issued to some police and military in South East Asia.

@mattmurphy7030 5 месяцев назад

@@acrienteangelic186215,000 rounds through my M18 and I haven’t even heard of any of those issues actually happening to someone

@sonicslow995 2 месяца назад

If you own a p320 or echelon you need to put down the nra magazine and stop being a fudd

@mghegotagun 5 месяцев назад

18:33 cameraman taking the brass bukakke just to make sure the SRO isn't interfering. What a bro.

@jrbeltranuspsa3486 5 месяцев назад

I have an Echelon and put it to my own test, I have been running it as a match pistol with the 507 Comp and it made it to 1,922 rounds before it had its first light primer strike (this was done as it came out of the box with no maintenance, it had never been lubed or cleaned). The internals of the Echelon are almost identical to the Sig Sauer P320 and have very little in common with Glock. It is what the P320 should've been in my personal opinion.

@Mykaelous 4 месяца назад

I'd blame the ammo on that one. I see many light primer strikes, often because the primer is seated too deeply. A 1 in 2000 chance of a bad primer seating depth is certainly within their qc.

@jrbeltranuspsa3486 4 месяца назад

@@Mykaelous it is possible but with the amount of fouling and buildup in the striker channel I figured that could've been the cause, still I'm very satisfied with 1 light strike as the only misfire in 2,000 rounds. I would trust it as a duty pistol but will probably just continue to run it as a match pistol and will probably maintain it a little more, I've only cleaned it the one time and I'm now in excess of 3,200 rounds on it and that still has been the only failure.

@azcompetitiveshooter 4 месяца назад

@@Mykaelousyou actually want the primer seated deep as possible so the striker spring reaches its maximum striking force by going all the forward

@Mykaelous 4 месяца назад

@@azcompetitiveshooter Not if the primer is seated so deeply that inadequate percussion is generated to set off the charge. There is a minimum of deformation required to set it off.

@azcompetitiveshooter 4 месяца назад

@@Mykaelousi get thet but on 99% of most brand brass casing, a primer can only be seated so deep that all modern striker and hammer fired pistols dont have an issue with it.

@adamgrimes820 5 месяцев назад

I’m rooting for the echelon. I’d like to see every modern firearm be reliable. We’ve been building striker fired handguns long enough that manufacturers should know by now which designs work and which ones don’t. Hopefully the next 10 years brings nothing but competitive reliable pistols.

@DavidLLambertmobile 4 месяца назад

I saw a 2023 era S-A Echelon 9mm "front line" price. It had added factory night sights. ✔️ I'm left handed & like the S-A design but this gun needs to work out the bugs, get smooth, work flawless. I currently own a great 1.0 version PDP Compact with night sights, 🚔 model.

@RafaelRodriguez-de9nk 4 месяца назад

I have an idea... now this might sound crazy... but, hear me out. TRY A HOLSTER DESIGNED FOR THE SPRINGFIELD ECHELON

@jkamp 5 месяцев назад

I'm really liking the Echelon. It's a huge improvement over the XD/XDM stuff. I expect Apex will release a trigger for it soon and that should fix the shortcomings in that area. The optic mount is excellent and the big, chunky, aggressive serrations are exactly my cup of tea. I think it will continue to become more popular as it distinguishes itself from the stigma of the XD series.

@Osprey1994 5 месяцев назад

I felt the trigger, it doesn't need anything.

@jkamp 5 месяцев назад

@@Osprey1994I’ve felt the trigger and shot it. I didn’t say it NEEDS it. But it would be better with a better trigger. Just like the M&P, Glock, etc. Factory configurations are a compromise of mass production, costs, tolerance stacking, and safety. There are improvements to be made, absolutely. Doesn’t mean it’s not shootable as is.

@rolandtimario2362 5 месяцев назад

Apex already have non ambi mag release!!

@RedRider2001 5 месяцев назад

The XD series (nor the XDm series) has no stigma. Maybe the Springfield brand does but I was over that a long time ago.

@jkamp 5 месяцев назад

@@RedRider2001yes they absolutely do. They break wayyy too often. The most common is the stupid roll pin toss holds the striker in. And when it snaps it locks up the striker making the gun inoperable until fixed. It’s a known issue. Springfield customer service would send a handful of replacement roll pins out free of charge because it’s a known failure point. Talk to any trainer. XD series is one of the most common failures in classes.

@robertfrapples2472 5 месяцев назад

Mine has been flawless with all ammo. I have about 1200 rounds through it so far. With +P ammo, the trigger does get a bit snappy on the finger. No issues with falling mags or failing slides. Very light, comfortable to shoot and extremely accurate. My Holosun mounted with ease and has been issue-free as well. Although I probably won't ever swap to a different grip, it's great to have that option. It is my second favorite pistol now, only to my 1911 race gun.

@cscheatum 5 месяцев назад

I love my Echelon. Several hundred rounds with my optic, no issues. Accurate AF. Springfield nailed it with this one.

@sikertsok225 5 месяцев назад

Yeah, if you are thrown back from every Government Contract you try for with the XD series, you will want to make a modern pistol quite fasts, but the guys at HSProdukt nailed it. These are awesome here in Europe as well, just a lot of money cause transport over the border takes a long time.

@DavidLLambertmobile 4 месяца назад

I can wait for a 2024 FDE or OD version.

@tsflyer61 5 месяцев назад

Lucas maxed out on Reign and just kiilin it! Video and editing is outstanding! Great work guys!

@TacticalTimmyAdventures 5 месяцев назад

Cool to see just ripping through more training rounds in 2 hours than most LEO do in an entire year. Keep up the hard work and training hard!

@ald.3500 5 месяцев назад

My agency gives us 20 rounds to warm up then we shoot a 40 round course once a year. So he shot more rounds than I’ll shoot in 16 years

@TacticalTimmyAdventures 5 месяцев назад

@@ald.3500 Yeah wild and sad to say. I'm just glad so many people elect to train on their own.

@--SHEPHERD-OF-MOTHER-EARTH-- Месяц назад

What's a leo?

@TacticalTimmyAdventures Месяц назад

@@--SHEPHERD-OF-MOTHER-EARTH-- LEO stands for law enforcement officer. Basically encompasses all sheriffs, cops, and other law enforcement agencies.

@noahbthesavagegardener5146 5 месяцев назад

You guys consistently make some of the best and most informative content out there. Thank you!

@stevenfuchs2548 5 месяцев назад

Thanks Lucas, great video, great commentary, honest and clear. Loved the mag falling out, just funny and interesting. Not funny in real life but something to be aware of. Thanks again to you and your most excellent team! Hope you all have a happy and safe new year!

@chipdadbo 5 месяцев назад

The mag fell out because he hit the mag release button

@rayparker9163 5 месяцев назад

I did get to shoot this at the local range. Despite it being very used and abused it shot great. Maybe others have had different experiences but I really enjoyed this pistol.

@brandonfindlay2249 2 месяца назад

I just bought an Echelon, which is my first Springfield, after looking at Glock 45/34/47/17/19, M&P 5" PC, and several Sigs. I understand it throws a wrench in things, but I like that the trigger guard is enlarged a bit for those who wear duty gloves. Loved your vid.

@misterh9556 5 месяцев назад

Lucas, this video has me literally laughing out loud. The edits…👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾💪🏾 the dial up…running iron sights instead, lining the plate up with the four little dimples.🤣🤣🤣

@DJT-2024 5 месяцев назад

I agree. We all know that if he slowed down on the crack juice, he might be more accurate. But we don't watch this channel to see accuracy. We watch it for real-life testing and info. And all of the extras put in during the editing process, such as sounds and special effects. Love it and keep it up!

@jon4827 5 месяцев назад

i was dead @17:11 i had to listen to it twice

@2bbooker 5 месяцев назад

Great review and content as usual. Love my Echelon. Will love it even more when T. Rex drops a holster for it!

@BehindTheGoldenCurtain 5 месяцев назад

Everybody has an opinion on Springfield one way or the other, but the fact is that they have been producing really good pistols in the last few years.

@griftinggamer 3 месяца назад

They don't produce anything....HSProdukt makes all their polymer guns, and Imbel and others make their 1911s. I heard someone who totally wasn't verified as a former Springfield employee say Sometimes they add a final couple parts on 1911 to call them made in USA, when really they arent, entirely imported and assembled here. A total joke.

@AZTrucker 5 месяцев назад

This was a great video Lucas. Good overall info on the Echelon and entertaining.

@aaronloggins3904 5 месяцев назад

I’ve heard a bunch of really good feedback for the echelon. We’ll see how this goes.

@limitlessluis 5 месяцев назад

Yup, echelon’s optic system superior. I have the FN 509 tactical which uses a plate. The exhelons plate-less system allows the optic to sit lower thus lower center of gravity, better co-witnessing (looks like with standard sights - not suppressor height). 😎

@chltmdwp 5 месяцев назад

Fn is still better as it doesn't require loctite

@Osprey1994 5 месяцев назад

HS Produkt did a good job. I just wish Springfield wasn't the importer. PS. Lucas, the Echelon has nothing to do with Glock. It's a competitor to the P320, and it just happens to have a low bore axis, and the gun will fit a 6390RDS, they were shipping them with safarilands.

@doctorgears9358 5 месяцев назад

100% I'm hoping one day we'll see HS Produkt guns as just HS Produkt guns.

@0Asterite0 5 месяцев назад

Cant be slam reloaded, it's shit

@Osprey1994 2 месяца назад

Cute. If birthday bumping is your jam, there are guns out there that will work great for you, CZ P10 being one of them. PS. I see what he meant about slam reloads. I haven't seen anyone else running into this problem...also, I just don't slam my mags, never had a need to.

@Mralex3281 2 месяца назад

What’s so wrong about Springfield being the importer?

@Dethbywater 5 месяцев назад

I just wanted to say thank you I really do appreciate these forms of videos and I know they take time and money so I just wanted to say thank you very much.

@arthura.belokonov3310 5 месяцев назад

Was just thinking of adding the Echelon to the collection. Thank you for the honest input.

@Rb889 5 месяцев назад

Outstanding. Glad to see the editing team is having fun, too.

@audessy 5 месяцев назад

Thanks for doing this. I just picked mine up last week, but have yet to shoot it. I’m definitely interested in an OWB holster for it should you consider making one. Keep up the great work and Happy Mew Year!

@lawoftheland5923 5 месяцев назад

Dara makes a great one. Lucas is just an idiot

@chrisharris9710 5 месяцев назад

Gunsite, Glock, and Davidson’s has come out with a G45 duty setup sold exclusively through Davidson’s. I’m an 07 FFL and use Davidson’s as one of my distributors and recently picked up the Gunsite G45. I absolutely love it and would love to see you do one of these videos on it.

@RangeRulerz 3 месяца назад

Your videos are seriously so good. Sometimes I watch them not because I’m directly interested in the topic itself, but because of the amount of edutainment they provide. Love this company 🙌🏻

@OffensiveProduction1 5 месяцев назад

I've never liked any of the Springfields. Then this came out and an owner of a local ffl and a handgun instructor was telling me how they really liked this one. I might check one out.

@sammyg4806 5 месяцев назад

I want one as well, but might wait a year or two, until they iron any possible kinks, learned my lesson from the first batch of P365s 😂

@OffensiveProduction1 5 месяцев назад

@sammyg4806 lmfao facts. I love my sigs, but oh yeah, can't even argue that. Sigs real testing department is the customers, lol.

@doctorgears9358 5 месяцев назад

Well considering this isn't Springfield's gun, you might like it. This is HS Produkt's gun, Springfield is just importing it for the US market.

@OffensiveProduction1 5 месяцев назад

@doctorgears9358 yeah, exactly my point. just like their other guns...

@EdwardOrnelas 5 месяцев назад

"Polymer frame" must be a Glock clone huh 🙄 In that case we should call the Glock a "HK VP70" clone

@acrienteangelic1862 5 месяцев назад

I've tinkered with a few of these now and every one the reset is just weak. I don't need a loud and clicky reset, but a very solid reset is a good indication that you have no issues with your connector or associated springs.

@1stinlaw917 2 месяца назад

Only Lucas can say this trigger feels sluggish while shooting a new pistol and looking like a million bucks. I swear we take for granted how masterful he is with any handgun. Bravo Lucas keep it up, mastery is dead in America...but you are keeping it alive!

@allstarsalmeida 5 месяцев назад

Echelon in my opinion is better than Glock. I purchase my holster from We the People custom made according to my set up with weapon light and optic fits like a glove. Have fire nearly 1000 rounds no failure or hip ups recoil isn’t snappy either. My favorite gun right now training and carry.

@Presumedhook762 4 месяца назад

So i bought a echelon about 5 months ago. I have about 500 rounds through it and i love it allot. The stand off device to allow you to push your muzzle into something and pull the trigger is amazing. The only kind of ( breaking point) I have found is the mag extension method. Dropping the mag the base plate would slip and the spring and extender plate would fly off. I still love my echelon but that is me personally.

@TacticallyFitOfficial Месяц назад

The extender is just put on incorrectly. Fix it and no issue. Lots of videos on this.

@nickbarker2596 5 месяцев назад

Great freaking video guys!

@Jedi054 5 месяцев назад

awesome to see an Echelon video where you really put it through its paces and not just another guntuber first Mag video. Please make holsters for this pistol, I have an Echelon already and will order immediately when you release the holster. (love my ironside hellcat pro holster)

@vladyakubets 5 месяцев назад

The serialized control group is good for states with lots of restrictions on guns so that it can be easier to have more gun options without going through more fed tape

@rushhell5105 5 месяцев назад

The Modular part of the guns is great for countries where you have a 5 gun maximum. You can swap your pistol around in order to shoot a different discipline if you would like to. I do agree with the part think of what you want, buy it and use it. I loved the Sig 320 for the modularity and am sort of moving toward the M&P2.0 Competition because its allready full alloy and shoots as well or better.

@berraco47 5 месяцев назад

I think you nailed it with the magazine spring. Being a double duty spring is making it malfunction when feeding a round. Same thing happened to me where it malfunctioned when feeding a round in but once the tension on the spring started to release it ran flawlessly. I think I’ll just keep both magazines extended

@kenstirling5348 5 месяцев назад

It’s an interesting conundrum we’re in. I wouldn’t even consider this pistol and a few others because nobody makes a holster for them. Holster companies obviously can’t make a holster for a gun they don’t yet know will be popular. So there’s basically just a revolving door we’re stuck in. I actually think this is the main reason why Glock has been able to stay at the top of the mountain. It’s a pistol that has good infrastructure basically.

@SpyderWebbX 5 месяцев назад

If you have a tactical light on your handgun, you can get a true universal holster that locks itself to the light instead of the gun. I got one from Werkz, and that one holster completely works with my different Olight models, M&P compact and full-size, Glock 19 and 17 and the Echelon. I also have a universal holster IWB from Safariland that works with all those above handgun models without the light.

@TREXARMS 5 месяцев назад

Exactly. These days for a pistol to do well, it needs support of optics, lights, and holsters.

@prototype3a 5 месяцев назад

The old chicken or taco problem.

@riskyflash6812 5 месяцев назад

Safariland had holsters for it on their website the day it released; I have one for mine. Other companies are now starting to make them, too.

@BrotheriZz 5 месяцев назад

Safari land does

@derekp1422 5 месяцев назад

It’s my favorite gun out of the box, that I’ve owned. Hopefully there is good aftermarket support to make it even better

@tacticallybrown7191 5 месяцев назад

Lucas should get camera shots from above while running the drills around the walls and stuff. Drone footage would be super cool.

@James_Bee 5 месяцев назад

Great idea. We know they utilize drones in their videos for their warehouse. Of course it would require a 3rd cameraman/drone operator to go along and get paid...

@James_Bee 5 месяцев назад

I said 3rd, but I meant 2nd. I was including Lucas. Oops

@karlchristie1856 5 месяцев назад

Talking about the Glock knuckle reminded me of how the English longbow men had altered skeletal structures from the muscular imbalance that constant training caused... Dedication to the craft!

@redwolfe9210 5 месяцев назад

Not just shooting but not just blabing at a table and the editing is a perfect combo serious and silly. peak review.

@1GunGurl 5 месяцев назад

I absolutely love my Springfield Echelon! It’s a fantastic firearm.

@jdm06types 5 месяцев назад

When you shoot 200K rounds with Glocks, you get T-Rex Arms - Lucas Botkin

@sysop007 5 месяцев назад

The lugs they use for optic mounting some optics reminds me of a mount I got from strike industries the “Rex” reflex mount back in the day. They use the same idea.

@Silencer1620 5 месяцев назад

14:10 that's why I run suppressor high sights with optic. Never know when its going to die or fail. Even tho people say "it will last you years, no need to worry about it dying" well, in order for it to last for years, you need both optic and iron sights so that if it does die, you can ditch the optic and run irons and simulate an optic with both front and rear

@cannonsmith7429 5 месяцев назад

I waited so long to see Lucas follow up with a video on the P10c years ago. Didn't expect to see the Echelon vid dropping first lol

@breckfreeride 5 месяцев назад

P10c is ok... PDP is better

@doubleutubefan5 5 месяцев назад

@@breckfreeride PDP mentioned. Fellow Walther fan located

@cannonsmith7429 5 месяцев назад

Walther sure does feel good in the hand@@breckfreeride

@jw5163 5 месяцев назад

@@breckfreeride i own both and prefer the p10c. not to mention it can be had for $300 - half the cost of pdp

@breckfreeride 5 месяцев назад

@@jw5163 now sure... I was early adopter and the p10c wasn't that cheap... Still can't beat the trigger on the PDP or the V2 slide cut

@TheDankCat127 5 месяцев назад

Honest Outlaw did a pretty extensive torture test for the Echelon on his channel and it did well. I’d say they’re g2g, but only time will tell if they truly hold up to brands like Glock and M&P. I still ain’t buying a Springfield lol.

@doctorgears9358 5 месяцев назад

Springfield had borderline nothing to do with the firearm. It's more apt to say you don't want to give your money to Springfield. This is HS Produkt's gun, much like most of Springfield's repertoire that's actually good.

@DD-qw4fz 5 месяцев назад

Its springfield only in name lol.

@kresimirgrbavac4609 5 месяцев назад

Its HS produkt. An import and not made by Springfield.

@watchyoutube9553 5 месяцев назад

Who care who made it whoever it was sig need to call them and learn how to make modular guns that’s not self shooting 💀

@brandonkerr4349 5 месяцев назад

@@doctorgears9358and your not really giving your money to Springfield the gun shop u buy it from did that

@spartan001_shadow 5 месяцев назад

personally i have a Springfield XDM but now i have a Sig p320 m17 and i love both guns.

@Dmounts 4 месяца назад

The trigger break sounds like that of an LCP Max (on camera at least). Love the content!

@daven8905 5 месяцев назад

Desperately need a compact version of

@user-tw8ov 5 месяцев назад

And a subcompact not just a hellcat

@Asidebar 5 месяцев назад

@@user-tw8ov Yes I want a compact model size like the G19. My EDC is a Hellcat Pro that I love. If I was only able to have one pistol it would be the Hellcat Pro.

@jeremywatson9129 5 месяцев назад

Like most not a fan of winchester white box fmj, but when i tried the personal protection branded stuff i was pleasantly surprised at it. They must have better QC over the personal defense batches.

@oskar6661 5 месяцев назад

While I never did any proper research on it - back when Wal-Mart was still selling ammo, etc., apparently Winchester has an entire separate facility/production line for pumping out cheap Winchester 'White Box'. So my guess is there could easily be a difference between various Winchester rounds/boxes.

@toddm9501 5 месяцев назад

Shot white box winchester in my Canik. Never had an issue. I've shot various 9mm brands. Fmj, Hp, 115, 124, and 147 grain.

@CiviTac 5 месяцев назад

@@toddm9501I’ve shot it out of glocks, m&p, kanik and sigs. Had issues with all of it. Probably due to certain batches. Almost all of it was hard primer related

@Caniksigboy78 5 месяцев назад

@@toddm9501your lucky my canik was struggling with it. Thought my canik was trash until I used my Glock and it did the same thing

@mattmurphy7030 5 месяцев назад

@@CiviTacI’ve shot 10s of thousands of rounds of white box and never had a light strike. Glocks, sigs, HKs, FNs

@kananisha 5 месяцев назад

The 2 one handed execution shots broke me lol. I didn't see that coming

@martymcfly6098 5 месяцев назад

Love mine. Great factory trigger, tack driver, and the magazine base plates stay in!

@thenimblegorilla107 5 месяцев назад

Lucas typical day: needs to shoot 1k rounds before a board meeting. Normal human: trying to find time and $ to shoot 100 rounds in a month. Thanks Lucas for doing the research we can’t!

@tjsmkz9674 5 месяцев назад

Own a Hellcat Pro and an Echleon. Both are fantastic pistols

@Asidebar 5 месяцев назад

Me too! Both are outstanding pistols.

@Swishersweetcigarilo 5 месяцев назад

I have an original trijicon RMR that flashes on and off during recoil on a 9mm. I should really try and fix it or see if its under warranty somehow.

@Lawfully_Armed 5 месяцев назад

Safariland is making an Echelon holster. The media kits Springfield shipped out for reviewers included a safariland holster that was a modified P320 holster.

@v.german11b 5 месяцев назад

Me, being a huge fan of the Walther, Canik, CZ, Sig Sauer, and FN, I was hesitant to get a Springfield Echelon at first. That changed after watching several reviews by respected true experts (with legit military and police credentials and backgrounds) giving their own personal assessments on the Echelon. So, I decided to buy one. The Echelon is faaantastic!!! It is very accurate with a smooth trigger pull and it's quite pleasant to shoot. I love it! Nowadays, I carry it often with confidence. The Echelon is truly a great quality handgun at an affordable fair price. With that said, if you are a die-hard Glock fanatic loyalist, the Echelon (and no other handgun, for that matter) is "good enough" for you. "Nothing but Glock" cult followers can not accept change or competition. Last, I love Glock pistols, too. I own two. *I just have an open mind regarding the evolution of firearms.*

@bpmfinc9492 5 месяцев назад

Safariland Model 578 GLS Pro for Glock 17 and Safariland 578 7TS GLS for Glock 34, 35 fits the Echelon perfect. I have them on my rigs right now.

@Renenko 5 месяцев назад

Safari land actually makes Echelon holsters.

@charlestechlife 4 месяца назад

Great video!

@andrewng9977 5 месяцев назад

Glad to hear I’m not the only one suffering from light primer strikes with wbb. Doesn’t happen a lot of times but enough that I don’t really shoot wbb much anymore.

@nickrucker3562 5 месяцев назад

had a case that made me think i needed to replace my striker spring, shit sucks

@mattmurphy7030 5 месяцев назад

Tens of thousands of rounds of white box and I’ve never seen a light strike

@MrCannonls 5 месяцев назад

That optic mount idea is awesome. Similar to shadow systems but with recoil lugs. Nice. Also, they missed a massive opportunity by not fitting Glock holsters. If you’re patterning off Gen 3, why not access the huge market of people looking for something new that holsters ready?

@JR-wo3sn Месяц назад

Get off lucas nuts

@PrayingPanda 5 месяцев назад

I can see you have a touch of the 'tism. Welcome fellow börthēr

@jungckh 5 месяцев назад

I’m not in the market for another pistol, and the Echelon doesn’t fill any role that my VP9 or G19 haven’t already filled…but if I was in the market the Echelon would be at the top of the list.

@Tallguy03 5 месяцев назад

Thanks for the awesome content!

@AIaskan 5 месяцев назад

I haven’t had this spring field but i have a 9mm subcompact model 2 and a 45. full size model 2 both Springfield and I’ll tell you I’ve had probably 1000 go thru my 9mm and about 2000-3000 thru my 45 , I’ve had no issues what so ever , no Freeding issues no jamming issues no problems what so ever

@Levi-wk2hg 5 месяцев назад

Add a zero to those numbers then get back to us.😂😂

@AIaskan 5 месяцев назад

@@Levi-wk2hg I bought them both used aswell the 9mm didn’t have a scratch on it and the 45 definitely seen better days , if I’d guess there’s at least 3000 that went thru my 45 before I bought it

@frankcastle9691 4 месяца назад

Complains the xdm is an old gun, yet loves blocks that are over 40 years old.

@nathanmendiola1255 5 месяцев назад

Just hearing “light strikes” with 115g Winchester white box makes me happy because I’ve been having the same issue with my stock gen3 Glock 19 and shadow systems mr920. Yes I do need to experiment with different ammo and loads, everyone may experience different things with 115g Winchester white box.

@kurohito7362 5 месяцев назад

Lucas just sold SRO’s and the Echelon with this video 😂 nice work. I saw Lucas light up like a Christmas tree once he put the SRO on the echelon.

@LarsBars17 5 месяцев назад

I took one look at the Echelon and assumed that there would be no holster compatibility with Glock. Which should be a non-issue because every other pistol gets a pass in this department, it is assumed that every gun needs a specific holster made just for that gun. Did Springfield try to market Echelon as holster compatible with Glock?

@juanclaudio7935 4 месяца назад

I think he was trying to have 1negative comment lol

@attilathegod 5 месяцев назад

Safari land makes an echelon holster with light and red dot adaptions. Overall I have not had any problems with it especially with the constant magazine ejection.

@jasonworrell8322 5 месяцев назад

same, no issues with dropping mags... have you noticed that if you slam a reload the slide closes automatically, which I like

@vikingtractor6065 5 месяцев назад

I’ve been looking forward to this.

@TheStatesidemonk 5 месяцев назад

I love my Hellcat Pro. This seems like a duty/full size version of that. The modular firing system has a lot of promise, similar to that of the Sig 365, allowing for more grip options.

@stealthswim223 5 месяцев назад

I want a compact version of the eschelon so bad

@jonathannelson8663 5 месяцев назад

The hellcat pro is an excellent platform for sure.

@jonathannelson8663 5 месяцев назад

@@stealthswim223get a hellcat pro

@ah8953 5 месяцев назад

Same I love my hellcat pro it's my daily carry

@MkArms1997 4 месяца назад

Ooooh I just got the pro maybe a week ago , it’s amazing and the ergonomics are unmatched for a small handgun !

@SplatteredWRX 5 месяцев назад

One thing I notice when handling an echelon recently… well 2 things. The mag release wouldn’t settle back into place and would ride off center and would drop the mag unintentionally. Another thing I noticed was that the trigger was rubbing funny on the inside of the frame which would get caught up even after the trigger safety blade was flat. Just 2 things I’ve noticed to far

@zachansen8293 5 месяцев назад

If that were a common problem it would be everywhere. Random mag drops are pretty much the second most disqualifying thing after bang/nobang issues.

@lawoftheland5923 5 месяцев назад

sounds like a you issue, most everyone else has has no issues

@rlm2010az 5 месяцев назад

Great information

@jasondubois3399 5 месяцев назад

Looking through my range log, my EDC Glock has 600 rounds of WWB through it(both 115 grain and 147 grain) and has never had an issue with either.

@vladyakubets 5 месяцев назад

I like Lucas, but i think it's funny that he says the XD's are old/outdated but loves Glocks. Something isn't adding up

@TREXARMS 5 месяцев назад

You know… now that you put it that way….

@Yellow_Flannel 5 месяцев назад

Glock: literally deforms your hand Other polymer handgun: doesn’t matter, it’s not a Glock.

@OliverGizmosisJones 4 месяца назад

I think the big appeal of the modular handguns is for people who can't necessarily afford buying multiple guns each with their own expensive reddot, but one gun with one reddot that you can pick weather you want a full size or compact on your hip that day is much less expensive and more reasonable.

@mountain_operator35 5 месяцев назад

This is the most hilarious Lucas has been that I've seen 🤣 Also looking forward to the Jakl

@Aaron-ed2rb 5 месяцев назад

Dumb question; what is the tape device he is using to past over the shot holes (not the tape, the device itself)??

@citizenoftheninthdivision 5 месяцев назад

Price tag sticker gun

@Aaron-ed2rb 5 месяцев назад

@@citizenoftheninthdivision Thank You! 🙏

@ouruiz 5 месяцев назад

The reason why I like a modular system pistol is that I can buy a compact conceal carry version. When I show up to the range, I can convert it to a competition pistol at my local USPSA match. After the match, before I leave the range it is converted back to my compact concealed carry version.

@Levi-wk2hg 5 месяцев назад

Why?? Compete with your carry gun. The benefits of such far outweigh any benefit of placing in a competition.

@mrs.vasquezz 5 месяцев назад

Dork

@ouruiz 5 месяцев назад

@@Levi-wk2hg Why not? I get the same consistent trigger feel, I get the same reps as if I was dry practicing, and I only need to take one gun to the range.

@Asidebar 5 месяцев назад

I simply buy different guns instead of taking one apart to make it fit in another frame.

@SpyderWebbX 5 месяцев назад

Some states require you to do a lot of bureaucratic paperwork just to buy a new a firearm, regardless if you have license or owned previous firearms. These modular pistols work great for states like New Jersey where some people just buy one firearm but form factor can be changed without additional paperwork. Also, some states require you to specify what firearm you own is tied in with your CCW permit, thus you can only carry that specific firearm on you when outside.

@riiddisbuk2496 5 месяцев назад

You FINALLY made a video on this! I got the one with the threaded barrel. I haven't shot it yet, but all in due time :D

@martymcfly6098 5 месяцев назад

My fits perfectly in my old duty Bladetech WRS holster with a TLR1

@NinJam87 5 месяцев назад

I replaced my current EDC with a Glock 26 MOS Gen 5 and have been running it with the Holosun SCS. I shoot it better than my STI 2011 believe it or not. The plate rack doesn't stand a chance against the little beast. Until Glock up and goes out of business, I think I'm going to continue running Glock for the foreseeable future. Nothing against other guns, I have too many already and not enough ammo.

@DavidLLambertmobile 4 месяца назад

I own a 2020 era Blue Label Glock 26 9mm gen 5. I added a few upgrades, changes. Glock Store recoil guide rod, slide lock. Lone Wolf 🐺 extractor, True Precision PVD-TiN barrel, Tango Down mag release, Milspin US flag-black back plate.

@marine_0311 5 месяцев назад

Love my echelon! Great gun

@cm2973 5 месяцев назад

Hey man, bothers me that my sigs dont fit in my colt holsters and wouldnt you know, my pdp wont fit in my revolver holsters. Almost like making specific holsters for a gun are needed

@Jakekeller13 5 месяцев назад

I have a P365XL and I noticed it’s a little tougher to load versus my Glock and 1911. I purchased extra sig mags and they come with the extended base plate so I wonder if sig has done the same thing by putting a stiffer spring in the mags🤷🏻‍♂️